#rory/logan are a mess

[autumnrory]

that was a long winded post but i think REALLY the thing is no matter what you ship ayitl probably did them dirty

[not-with-you-but-of-you]

Forgive me, Jess, please know that I tried To hold on to the days When you were mine

— requested by @emmafallsinlove

[userlaylivia]

BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT HOW EVERYTHING JESS BECAME LATER ON IS BECAUSE RORY INSPIRED HIM???? SHE TOLD HIM HE COULD BE AND DO ANYTHING HE WANTED TO AND HE BECAME A BETTER PERSON BECAUSE OF HER!!!!! I AM SOBBING HONESTLY!!!!! HE WROTE A BOOK ALL BECAUSE OF HER INFLUENCE AND BELIEF IN HIM!!!!!

[stellaluna33]

You match my opinions perfectly and I was wondering your opinion on something. So a big discourse between fans is characterisation in receivable particularly with Logan and rory with Logan in particular being a big arguing point. There arguments seem to use season 7 of his “growth” but i was wondering as season 7 isn’t what creator wanted and revival is doesn’t that mean it makes sense As his “growth” was with other writers and not part of plan?

Yeah, that's pretty much what I've come to believe: that the character arc ASP intended for Logan all along was basically what happened in the Revival. A lot of things about the Revival make a lot more sense if you imagine them taking place soon after Season 6, and it was billed as ASP finally getting to end the show "the way she wanted."

A lot of people complained that the "Logan is Christopher" parallel "came out of nowhere," but the more I rewatch the show and see older interviews, it becomes increasingly obvious to me that he was ALWAYS written that way. A guy who "rebels" in superficial ways but lets his life be decided for him in all the ways that matter most, maybe because he doesn't know what he really wants enough to take any real risks for it. The new writers (for Season 7) apparently wanted to take his character in a more positive direction, and people who really like the character understandably really liked that. I can't blame them... I mean, if you're fond of a character, you want to see them do well... But looking at the series as a whole, I am more interested in thinking about the story ASP was TRYING to tell. It also frustrates me that Logan's "development" seemed to come at the expense of Rory's in some ways. She went into the relationship saying, "People can change!" and, "I'm good for him!" and while Seasons 5 and 6 seemed to show that Rory herself ended up changing far more than Logan did, Season 7 apparently decided that... that should work? Logan was "tamed by the love of a Good Woman!" He was inspired to be Good and Brave and settle down because Rory was smiling and supportive and patient enough! "You broke him," the writers had Paris declare triumphantly (at which S7 Rory was oh-so-sweetly surprised and dismayed). I don't know, I mean that's a deeply appealing fantasy for a lot of people. But I really don't think that's where ASP was going with it. She was aiming for something a bit more tragic, it seems, which, on one hand might be a little depressing in some ways... But on the other hand, I do think it makes for a more interesting story in other ways.

[saebaragi]

i love ep18 of season 5!!!! but also, i just realized something

idk if you guys know about that, but there's a pretty famous manipulation technique that consists in playing with the other person's mind, and apparently it makes them obssessed; so the manipulator will give the victim attention, lots of it, making they feel loved and appreciated, then they just stop. they disappear, ghost them, really, just stops giving attention and love. and then do it again, with no actual explaining on the disappearing, goes back on showering the victim with love and affection. then suddenly stops again. and that's it. do it again and again. so, the psychological explaining on why that works is because people naturally likes attention and affection, obviously, and this behavior confuses them, it makes they miss the other person and the feelings they bring, and that's why they get obssessed.

do I need to finish my thought process...?

[clumsycapitolunicorn]

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[sergeantpixie]

@randomestfandoms

-Pride Month series-

[Bi] Jess Mariano & Finn

[anewkindofme]

I understand not everyone views media the same way as me, but sometimes I get annoyed when people refuse to realize that character growth is not the same thing as being a hypocrite.

This is one of my biggest examples and the trigger for this post...

At the end of S4 of Gilmore Girls, Jess goes to Rory and asks her to run away with him. Look where Jess is in that moment. Things didn't work out with his dad, he doesn't have stable work, he's just barely worked things out with Luke, his relationship with his mom is a mess. He realizes how badly he crewed up his life. So, in a manic state, he does something stupid.

BUT! Rory says "no", turns him away, and Jess is forced to grow up. Look at what he does between that episode and when we see him again in S6. He moves to Philly, gets a great job, publishes a book! Things are great! He's so happy. Deep down, he knows that Rory was right to reject him because that wasn't what either of them needed. They needed space to grow. He's thankful that she turned him down.

So, imagine his surprise when he shows up and she DROPPED OUT OF YALE! She pushed him on this grand path and now she's living with her grandparents, hosting tea parties, and dating some guy that, to him, seems to be a prick. (And I want to be fair to Logan here, Rory put both guys in a shitty spot, plus we know Logan was in a bad mood. Still, all Jess sees is a dumbass with a Porche who is potentially grooming Rory to be a housewife) Yeah, he gets annoyed. And yeah, he gives his famous: "Why did you drop out of Yale?!" speech.

Because he ISN'T the same guy that begged Rory to drop out. He knows what a horrible idea it was. Rory was always someone he looked up to and admired in a way. And now, she's seemingly lost it. So, he gets frustrated.

Not because he's a hypocrite, but because he's finally the guy Rory knew he could be. She even says that herself. It's just that, now, she isn't the person that he wanted to change for.

Jess isn't a hypocrite. He just has some awesome growth.

[sarabethsilver]

An excellent post by @not-with-you-but-of-you got me thinking:

GIF by not-with-you-but-of-you

Rory's wearing the coat she wore to Honor's wedding. The same coat she gives to Doyle as she's struggling with whether or not Logan technically cheated on her. Is she having the same kinds of thoughts now?

Lorelai IMMEDIATELY assumes something is ongoing with Jess. It's not "I didn't know you saw Jess" or "I didn't know you went to Philadelphia." It's "I didn't know you were seeing Jess."

Jess and Rory are officially friends now!

Except Rory can't even look at Lorelai while she's saying it.

Rory lies, unprompted, about kissing Jess ("I swear, nothing happened there").

It's so striking that Rory never discusses this kiss with anyone. She doesn't tell Logan, she doesn't tell Lane, she specifically lies to Lorelai. There's zero indication that she even thinks about telling Logan; no meaningful pause or guilty look for the audience to interpret. It's just... gone. She shoves this kiss so far down that she wants to pretend it didn't even happen.

And I think the only reason she can do this is because Jess isn't anywhere in her vicinity. We see in S3 that Rory instantly falls apart once she's standing 20 feet away from Jess; the secret comes flying out of her mouth and she tells Lorelai they kissed.

In my version of S7, Rory sees Jess by happenstance and just... flies apart. All her feelings come rushing back, she's tripping over her words to apologize, it's a big mess, and she can no longer deny her obvious connection to him. And where does that leave Logan? Now THAT'S the S7 drama I would have loved to see!

[yourreflectioninthelake]

Might be controversial but is anyone else sick of these new "tiktok" gilmore girls fans? All they do is bring up that Jess of SA'd over and over again while praising Tristan, Dean, Logan. Logan, I hate viscerally but I can also understand why people like him over Jess (also talking about everything hes done wrong requires a whole diff post) but hating Jess and praising Dean or Tristan makes NO sense. Their only argument for Jess is the bedroom scene while they completely neglect to recognise the fact that Dean basically lied and coerced Rory into having sex with him, not to mention his countless physical fits he threw when him and Rory were togther. That scene in S2 when she gives Dean the letter explaining everything about Jess and the car and Dean proceeds to kick the bag RIGHT NEXT to Rory?? Bring that up while talking about your precious boy Dean!!

Tristan then, also basically harassed Rory, didn't he? Intentionally calling her Mary because he thought she was a "good goodie", constantly using that kiss at the party to mess with her mind after she asked him to not bring it up so Dean wouldn't get upset. If the scene in the bedroom is SA, then thats harassment but no one cares about that, its all "Oh Chad Micheal Murray oh ah 😍"

The bedroom scene is also not as substantial or earth shattering as people make it out to be...what Jess did was wrong but personally it was no where close to SA (i suppose this depends on your personal interpretation of the scene) This was a common theme and tv shows at the time and it was never taken/discussed seriously, ASP also has a weird attitude towards young girls having sex which probably played into that, along with the fact that it was only used to start conflict between Jess and Dean so that Jess would leave and they could focus on the potential spin off where he goes to live with his dad. Watchers of the show-usually on tiktok- have some trouble forming opinions and thoughts with a few layers and struggle to understand the issue isn't black and white.

People also dont take into account that Rory, excuse my language, did not gaf about what Jess did, it was more that he wouldn't talk to her, that he wouldn't explain why he was in a bad mood. The only time what Jess did is brought up when she talks to Lorelai and Rory barely even mentions it, like it was a footnote. Lorelai seemed much more focused on it than Rory ever was, she was mostly mad that he wouldn't communicate!!! They also just never really bring up what he did again? They mention the affair with Dean several times after...but not what Jess did, hell they mentioned the car crash more times!! That scene was just something the writers needed to focus on the spin off, it was a scene of terrible communication on Jess' part.

[mauradersdaughter]

Honestly, I love that Rory got to make mistakes through the seasons. She was just so shy and didn’t take opportunities to do things outside her comfort zone, like in the episode in season 1 where she didn’t want to go to the dance, just because, with no reason. I liked her arc of messing up and being young and stupid, which Logan really helped with. I just wished the writers knew when enough is enough and how to turn it into a lesson for her. It’s good to do things outside the spectrum of who you are and go look for different existences in life, but you have to know how to go back to your good ways and not lose yourself in the rabbit hole. That’s what happened to Rory; she lost control and crashed. She could’ve been an example to people in navigating their youth, but she became what many people desperately wish to not be.

[roeyliteratiforever]

To add on to what I was saying about Jess not calling situation. I definitely do think it was more of a minor offense and definitely a miscommunication issue. The thing though that I love about Jess though is that even when he does mess up he always tries to do better the next time. He is always learning from his mistakes. He doesn't try to gaslight Rory or invalidate her feelings he takes it as it is and learns what to do better next time. Like after listening to her voicemail he starts making plans with her and scheduling dates. When he makes a horrible first impression with Emily, he eventually comes to his sense and says he will go again. Jess isn't perfect and made mistakes with Rory some big ones but he always tries to learn from them. After he left without a word, he doesn't expect anything from Rory he just tells her he loves her and gives her the space to think things over. When she rejects him after he comes to her dorm he tells her she can count on him now and instead of just using his words his actions follow. He then still continues to show her that she can trust him again by showing her that he has changed, and by standing by her as a friend even when it's killing him because he does love her and wants to be with her. Where Dean will use intimidation and his possessive behaviors until she is feeling so guilty she is blaming herself. With Logan he will gaslight her and invalidate her feelings until she is feeling confused and ends up blaming herself. I love that Jess takes accountability for his actions even when he does mess up and learns from those behaviors and tries to do better. This is one trait about Jess that stands out for me opposed to the other two and what makes him a good partner!

[frazzledsoul]

I really, really do not understand the argument that Rory would have been "shirking her responsibilities" by spending a summer in NYC with Jess and that somehow it is not abandoning her responsibilities to fuck her married ex twice (the second time after she knows he didn't actually leave his wife), freeze Lorelai out because Lorelai objects to the affair, and spend the summer cavorting around Europe with her grandmother. If Rory had any pressing responsibilities around Stars Hollow, she didn't stay to fulfill them. She got involved in a situation that was far more cruel, destructive, and selfish than running away with Jess would have been, defended her behavior as righteous, and then ran even further away to escape the fallout. Rory is not called out on how terrible and catastrophic her actions actually were, but Jess is forever paying for his sins and viewed as the truly irresponsible one, the destructive force that's going to ruin her life, the truly untrustworthy person whose sins will always, always outweigh Rory's, no matter what kind of damage she causes on her own. Why is he constantly held to task for his irresponsibility and the hurt his actions cause, when Rory is not? There absolutely nothing about her affair with Dean that points to her being responsible, trustworthy, or caring about the effect her actions have on others. Even months later, she still doesn't regret it and ends Dean's marriage by writing him a letter talking about her "special night" that "she isn't sorry happened."

Look, I'm glad she removed herself from the situation and tried to end it and she is not the primary person responsible for what happened. Dean initiated this affair and chose to lie to and mislead both Rory and Lindsey. That doesn't excuse her actions, and her behavior does not at all indicate that she is a more responsible person than Jess or that she's less capable of causing immense damage. Once she had that extramarital affair, she was in no position to lecture anyone else on responsibility or trustworthiness, to say nothing of fairly basic concepts of morality.

Jess made a request and went away once he was asked to. Rory helped destroy someone else's marriage. Their actions are not at all comparable, and he should never be viewed as the more screwed-up person at this juncture in season 4. He would actually never be the more screwed-up person when compared to her ever again.

That said, I'm glad she said no. Jess needed to move on from his high school mistakes and I frankly don't think it's in his best interests to be involved with someone who would do the kind of things that Rory did. If she's that messed-up that she'll cling to this affair in hopes of being affirmed and validated and defend her actions for long afterwards, then Jess does not need to be involved with her until she is able to move on from that and be better. She would have just ended up hurting him again, and probably far worse than she did in season 6. I think the only canon period when I would trust her to be with him and not hurt him would be in season 7 or at some time afterwards, because her stable period with Logan was a time period when she improved and was able to exist in a more mutually nurturing and mature relationship. Even in season 6, when she is responsible and most resembles pre-late S4 Rory, she ends up breaking his heart again while in the midst of trying to hurt Logan, and if she's capable of that kind of vindictiveness (not to mention that she's cheating again) then she's not really someone that he can trust. She should not automatically be assumed as a person who possesses that attribute, especially when she's done so much to hurt him (and others) over the years. That trust isn't automatic after a certain point. It has to be earned.

It would have been nice if Rory had gotten to keep her character development from season 7, but as we see in AYITL she did not. I would support a reunion between them afterwards, but only if Rory settled down, stopped cheating, and had shown she could be someone that could be trusted in a relationship. She should not always be considered the mature, responsible one whose actions should always be deemed as morally superior to Jess's. That Rory mostly ceased to exist after season 4, and her track record ever since has shown that she's the one that needs to prove herself to him.

[imafuckingsimp]

A Gilmore Fall

It was raining heavily outside, you were at your boyfriend's house, Matt, because you wanted to spend the first day of fall together. You were in the kitchen baking cinnamon rolls and hot chocolate, Matt's arms were wrapped around your waist and his chin rested on your shoulder, leaving soft kisses here and there, soft giggles leaving your mouth.

The cinnamon rolls were cooked and the hot chocolates were done, you went to Matt's bedroom and put on your favorite TV show on : Gilmore girls, your were both cuddled under the blanket.

Jess appeared on the screen,"that's my man right here" you said excitedly. "Hey ! I'm right here you know" exclaimed Matt. "Yeah I know" "So your saying if you had to choose between me and Jess, you would choose him over me ?" "that's exactly what I'm saying" "oh okay then you don't need me anymore"

He got up and left the room, you paused the show and followed him out in the living room "NO DON'T GO BABYYY COME BACK PLEASE, I WAS MESSING WITH YOU" he sat on the couch and ignored you so you straddled his lap and grabbed his chin to face you "I SWEAR I ONLY LOVE YOU, please forgive meee" you pouted "go back to 'your man' he's waiting for you" he scoffed

"please don't be upset, he doesn't even exist, I was joking no man will ever replace you I promise, you're the only one I want and need in my life." His gazed softened "you mean it ?" he asked "of course I do baby, I love you and only you" he grabbed your face and kissed you, you both smiled in the kiss. You pulled away and laughed together at how silly this whole thing was.

"You two are disgustingly cute it makes me sick" said Nick while making vomiting noises, you didn't know he witnessed the whole conversation "sorryyyy" you giggled.He grabbed a soda and while he went up to his room he yelled "no you're not !"

"Now the real question is, Team Jess or Team Logan ?" "for rory ?" "of course dummy" "Team Jess for sure, i dont really like Logan" "good because I'm also team Jess" "never would've guessed it" he rolled his eyes while you laughed at his jealousy towards a fictional character.

a/n : sooo this is my first ever fanfic idk if it's good, if have any request just ask I'll to write more of these

[sbd-laytall]

I always feel weird whenever I think about what team I qualify in because I see good parts of every single one of Rory's boyfriends, but I also see the bad parts too.

On the one hand, my favorite Rory relationship is her romance with Logan - in the original show because the revival was just not good and I believe every fan would agree with me - because in my honest opinion, it was her best relationship and one where they both grew as individuals. They also had really great chemistry, and I think of them fondly, even though they were a real mess at times.

But on the other hand, when thinking about the three individual characters, Jess is my favorite out of the three guys. He's just got such a rich arc and presence when compared to Dean (who was actually a pretty decent character until he got married, but I digress), or to Logan (whose character arc is to learn how to be a boyfriend and not be a privileged trustfund baby).

[praetoravila]

YOU MUST TELL THE WORLD ABOUT YOUR LOLIVE ELOPEMENT💒💒💒💒💒💒

GOD where do i begin. lol.

okay so like they are the married couple of the friend group. like basically as soon as they become friends, they become mom and dad. and the other guys joke that if it weren’t for them being the voices of reason, they would all be dead. which. true.

olive doesn’t think about herself getting married other than in fleeting moments. like yeah, she watches say yes to the dress w her sister, and her, jo and camille giggle over the royal wedding in 2012, but to olive, marriage isn’t that big of a deal.

at least not until she’s halfway through grad school at 25. and a lot of her grad school friends are getting engaged, getting married and she starts wondering if that’s something she wants. her and logan have been together for almost 9 years at this point. everyone keeps asking when they are planning on settling down. and she truthfully doesn’t have an answer. they live together. he’s in med school and she’s in grad school. is that not being settled?

and so they have a conversation about it. truthfully, it’s olive word vomiting at logan, and he picks out the words, marriage, engagement and disappointment and he’s like oh shit. bc he wants to marry her. he does. he’s always been a very traditional guy in that sense. but time has elapsed him, and he’s been so busy with his path to becoming a doctor that everything else has fallen to the wayside. and tells her as much and she’s like yeah no shit dummy.

and so they come up with an agreement. they’re going to elope at city hall in two weeks.

and then they do. it’s them and a neighbour in their apartment complex who just so happens to be there at the right time, and olive’s wearing a $60 nordstrom white dress, and logan’s in a white button down and slacks that he bought for a post btr job interview and within two hours, they are legally married. and they just go on with their lives after that.

but in the mess of it all there’s one problem. they uh. they forgot to tell wren.

and understandably she’s like what the fuck. bc not only did they get married, they got married and didn’t tell her. it’s sets off the most legendary fight between olive and her sister ever in the history of their dynamic. it’s rory and lorelai during rory’s dropping out of yale arc bad.

and logan of course feels guilty bc they should have invited wren. it’s her baby sister who got married. meanwhile olive’s like i am a grown woman now. i don’t need to tell you everything in my life. which okay fair girl but also you didn’t tell your sister you were getting married????

anyways. they make up, wren forgives them and they decide for their one year anniversary of being married that they want to get married again, but this time w a bigger more traditional wedding. joanna (logan’s mom) ends up being their primary wedding planner. wren sobs while dress shopping with olive. the btr boys are logan’s groomsmen. obviously. and to keep them from fighting over who’s his favourite, he makes katie his maid of honour.

happy ever after! oh and uh here’s the lolive wedding pinterest board