#rop 2x07

[celebrimborium]

Do you know what it is to be tortured at the hands of a god?

[perplecta]

Delicioso, que sabor: morte

[olessan]

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[ringsofpowersource]

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power / S2 / Aug 29, 2024 - Oct 3, 2024 Colors & Scenery Episode 7 - Doomed to Die

[noiralei]

Ep.7: Doomed to Die Favourite Annatar moments

[apoloadonisandnarcissus]

Wrapping-up the loose ends of “Elrond = Sauron” in 2x07 tent scene theory

My followers know I’m the captain of the “it was Sauron, and not Elrond” in the tent scene with Adar, in 2x07, and he’s the one who kissed Galadriel theory. And while I’ve made several posts about it, already, there are still a few loose ends to this theory.

Other posts on the subject: Megathread “Elrond = Sauron” in 2x07 (Part 1 and Part 2); Melian mentioned (here), recognition between Adar and Sauron (here), and the connection between Sauron and Elrond in Season 2 (here).

Why did Elrond lose the cape when he’s returning to Lindon? 

Was it to “look cool”? Acknowledging this in a show with so many plots going on and limited screen-time can’t be random. Why show the audience this when they could spent those minutes fleshing out other plots? 

When he arrives at Eregion, in 2x07 (+ meeting with Prince Durin) he’s wearing a different cape and pin, obviously. Because those were lost. 

And the show told us, in 2x07 and via Elrond himself, that Sauron is keeping an eye on the roads from Lindon to Eregion: There is evil in those hills. Ancient, and filled with malice. Sauron means for us to go that way. We must go another. The Enemy is doubtless watching both roads.

This can indicate that Sauron retrieved Elrond’s cape and pin (instead of my initial thought of him taking them from the place Galadriel was taken by Adar, in 2x04).

In the tent scene, "Elrond" is also wearing his cape in a different way to his usual self (including from his previous scenes in the episode, in his scene with Durin and when he arrives at Eregion):

The shoulder pleated detail on “Elrond” cape in the tent scene with Adar is something we never saw on Elrond’s character. He usually wears his capes in a different style.

We saw, however, this type of pleated in another character, back in Season 1. Can this be a nod to that?

What’s the deal with Adar and Galadriel?

Elrond arrives at Lindon in the same episode “the body” carrying the message from Adar shows up at Eregion gates. And it clearly didn’t say “where is he?”. Because Adar knows Sauron is there, and that’s not the reason why Sauron gets so distressed, because he’s the one who told Adar that “Sauron” is at Eregion, in the first place.

He’s also the one who told Adar that Galadriel is Sauron’s ally, back in 2x01: Since Galadriel’s defeat, she sought out a new ally. An ancient sorcerer, to instruct the Elves in forging a new weapon. One you first told her about. A power over flesh.

But judging by Sauron’s reaction to "the body", this was a seed he didn’t intent to plant on Adar's mind:

And this could explain why he was in such a hurry for the body to be buried and shown to no one else. Because someone might know how to read Black speech (we saw Galadriel understanding it back in Season 1, when she was with Elendil at the Hall of Lore of Númenor, and unravel the founding of Mordor plan) or whatever language it was. The body most likely said Adar has taken Galadriel as captive. And this makes sense, if he thinks she’s Sauron’s ally.

Which can explain why Adar was so distrusting of Galadriel, in the same episode. Adar wanted Galadriel to confirm "Halbrand is Sauron", but also to understand the depth of their connection. Because he saw them fighting together in 1x06, and Sauron "confirmed" they are allies. The “wine and dine scene” was probably a trap from Adar’s part, and it was never his intention to actually make an alliance with her, in the first place (or he was “testing the waters” on that one).

She mentioned Nenya (which he can use for his goal) and who carries it, but Adar, most likely, realized that Galadriel is in love with Sauron, too (I won’t waste time here on the Halbrand vs. Sauron discourse, because I already wrote a post about it). And he wants to use her as bait in the next episode, to lure Sauron out of Eregion. Because there’s no way, this corrupted elf, thousands of years old, fall for that “he promised me an army” lie.

Only it's Elrond that shows up. Or... is it not?

The showrunners have confirmed they are doing a Galadriel/Frodo parallel in “Rings of Power”. And in Season 2, Adar is paralleling Gollum. And, so, the tent scene is meant to parallel Gollum’s trap with Shelob; when he betrays Frodo to an agent of Sauron by setting up a trap. And both of these scenes have some “kissing” involved: in the film adaptation, Shelob licks Frodo’s face (to paralyze him), and “Elrond” kisses Galadriel.

Only in “Rings of Power” this agent of Sauron is “Elrond”. But Elrond is already paralleling Sam in the show. What's most likely happening here is that they are “killing two birds with one stone”, by having Sauron shapeshifting into Elrond (the agent of Sauron is himself), but also emulating Sam by providing Galadriel/Frodo with a means to escape (pin/Phial of Galadriel and Sting).

 

What's the deal with this shot?

Is this only to symbolize Light vs. Dark, as I’ve seen getting thrown around? But that explanation doesn’t exactly make sense because the “Dark” is Sauron, and Adar isn’t on Sauron’s side, at all. Adar’s entire character arc is Season 2 it’s precisely his rebellion and vow to destroy Sauron once and for all.

I would argue the “light vs. shadow” aesthetic is not the explanation for this choice, and there’s something else at work here. Mostly because we have Adar saying this in the tent scene:

Eregion has fallen into shadow. It belongs to the Deceiver now, as does every Elf within its walls.

You are all familiar with “shadow of Morgoth” (it’s been mentioned by Celebrimbor in 2x08), and now I’m introducing you to the concept of the “shadow of Sauron” in “The Return of the King” book, when Sauron's spirit rose above Mordor like a black cloud, and stretched out his hand towards the army of the West:

And as the Captain gazed south to the Land of Mordor, it seemed to them that, black against the pall of cloud, there rose a huge shape of shadow, impenetrable, lightning-crowned, filling all the sky. Enormous it reared above the world, and stretched out towards them a vast threatening hand, terrible but impotent.

Why Vorohil of all characters?

We know Elrond is the commander of the Elven army, and Gil-galad, the High King of the Noldor, is also there for the battle. We also see Rian (the she-elf that sacrifices herself later on). But Vorohil is nowhere to be seen when the Elven army arrives at Eregion: he’s not by Elrond’s side nor is he in the “charging scene” at the Orc army:

Where did he come from? And why would Elrond choose him, out of all characters, to accompany him to a negotiation with Adar?

Vorohil is a mere soldier; he’s described as “an Elven swordsman who joins Elrond's band of warrior-elves”. Why not bring another commander or high-rank soldier, or even Gil-galad himself, to a key meeting that could mean the end of the battle before it began?

Something, something about Saurons connection with fire, because Adar’s tent was lit during this scene.

Then we have the fact that “Elrond” conveniently sends him away at the end of the meeting. But what’s ever stranger is: how come Vorohil didn’t know Elrond went to Khazad-dûm and met with Prince Durin before this scene!? How didn’t he know his commander went to another location before the battle begun?

And when Vorohil returns at the end of the episode, to warn Elrond the Dwarves aren’t coming to help, he’s also conveniently mortally wounded with arrows, and dies. (I guess Sauron has been practicing for his torture of Celebrimbor in the next episode?).

Why didn’t the battle stop for Elrond meeting with Adar?

Once “Elrond” returns from Orc camp, there’s a full-on battle happening at the walls of Eregion, far from the camp. Which seems to contradict the point of the meeting itself. Wasn’t this suppose to be a meeting to discuss terms or even a hypothetical truce between the two armies?

Because this is Adar’s offer to Elrond: give me Nenya, take your army back to Lindon, and let me deal with Sauron myself, because you can’t beat me nor save Eregion.

And yet, the battle is already on? Why are the armies fighting each other when their commanders are meeting to discuss terms at Orc camp? This doesn’t make any sense. Unless the “commander” in the tent with Adar isn’t Elrond, at all. And the real Elrond is engaging in battle elsewhere.

Why is Elrond mourning the white horse?

It’s because Elves value all living beings and nature and stuff? Could be, except we haven’t see Elrond associated with horses in “Rings of Power”, have we? Sure, he rides a horse as a means of transportation (like most characters), but he’s not symbolically associated with them. So this scene comes out of nowhere.

There is, however, another character that’s very associated with horses (particularly white), ever since Season 1: Galadriel

And this symbolism (Galadriel = white horse) is already associated with another character, ever since Season 1, too:

Sauron's illusion in 2x06: [children laughing] “It’s a horse!”

The white horse was killed by an Orc, and he licked the blade with the blood. This enraged “Elrond” so much he goes on a murder spree and kills this Orc in a very over the top way: by catapulting him into Eregion’s walls.

We already saw the “white horse Galadriel” being bled in this episode:

Adar just threatened to parade Galadriel’s head on a pike in the tent scene. And “Elrond” snaps, and does this:

Why is Elrond catapulting stones into Eregion walls? Isn’t that against his entire goal of protecting these very walls? Why he’s causing further damage to it? Because he’s not Elrond, at all.

Yes, “this Elrond” was still Sauron, and this was hinted by the show itself:

Why do Elrond, Galadriel and Sauron have the same face wound?

I already talked about this in another post (concerning Morgoth’s crown wound, and its consequences), but I think this is, yet, another clue to it was Sauron, and not Elrond in the tent scene with Adar, in 2x07. It’s the only explanation that makes sense.

How did Elrond get his own scar? Either in the midst of the battle, or the same way as Galadriel: we know, for a fact, Sauron didn’t cut her face in their fight scene in 2x08, the wound “magically” appears on her face after she cuts his face (and it can’t be a error of editing when three characters have the same wound).

Why does Galadriel face scar looks off?

At the end of 2x08, Galadriel “magical” face wound is still a visible on her face, even after her healing. Only, it looks kind of strange now, because it looks like a burn mark, and not a cut.

You are all, probably, familiar with the "Eye of Sauron", but that's not the only thing he's (in)famous for in Tolkien legendarium, and I'm talking about the Black Hand of Sauron, of course. I already did a post about this theme, and how "Rings of Power" is giving us a whole of focus on Sauron's hands and touch.

Even stone cannot hide the mark of one whose very hand is flame unquenched. He was here. Sauron was here. (Galadriel; 1x01)

In “Fellowship of Ring” book we have a description of this, by the account of Isildur, when he cut the One Ring from Sauron’s hand:

The heat of Sauron’s hand, which was black and yet burned like fire.

Spoiler alert, one major character will die due to Sauron’s touch in the Siege of Barad-dûr, during the War of the Last Alliance (Season 5).

And “Rings of Power” has already gave us a description of Sauron’s true form, via Mirdania, in 2x04:

It was tall and its skin was made of flames, it came towards me, breathing, reeking of death. And I saw-- I I saw its eyes pitiless and eternal. I think it's been here I think it's been here among us all along..

Now, you are probably confused as to “why” and “how” would Sauron be able to burn Galadriel, when he has touched her face in the past (1x08).

He did it in her presence and in his own physical form. Sauron is using his powers here, and tapping into the Unseen word, too, where his true form exists. Elrond is not his physical form, obviously. So that’s probably the reason for this burn mark. Why not the lips, too? Well, it’s the “black hand of Sauron”, not the “black lips of Sauron”.

[purple-dragon]

if i ever got transmigrated into an orc in lotr the only way i'd survive is if they let me be one of their drummers. like sure i'll hype you up for war bro just don't make me push anything heavy

[simplynerdilicious-blog]

Galadriel is so real for using the "hiding the valuables in my bra" trick while travelling though.

[earthshine-moon]

One of my favourite things about RoP is the role of Fëanor’s legacy

In Celebrimbor’s first lines (1x02), he explains to Elrond that he aspires to create something as worthy of note as his grandfather did

This ambition is precisely what leads to him being deceived and enslaved by Sauron, who sees his feeling of inferiority and uses it to manipulate him into forging the rings

Fëanor’s legacy then becomes something very different to Celebrimbor in 2x07

Celebrimbor throws his grandfather’s hammer at Sauron. He dodges it and it goes out of the window. The window breaks, and so does the illusion.

Fëanor’s legacy both caused and broke Sauron’s hold on Celebrimbor

[markantonys]

Top 5 Adar who FUCKS moments?

LMAO okay, just off the top of my head and in no particular order:

-the one that made us all collectively Lose Our Minds. i'm so glad i caught up with ROP just in time that this could be my first (maybe second) live episode and i could experience the mass Awakening™ that occurred because of this moment.

-he likes to be held at knifepoint by girlbosses but he ALSO likes to choke out twinks. he has the range.

-making halbrand put his head in the dirt at his feet to swear loyalty to him. he was fully suspecting halbrand was sauron at this point and STILL chose to humiliate him even further and piss him off even more AND be kinky about it in the process, just because he could.

-sitting atop his throne in the 1 moment of true contentment he got to have in between thousands of years of torment and then more shit immediately hitting the fan

-screencaps don't do this one near enough justice, but when he fiiiiiinally enters the battlefield in 2x07 and just TANKS through everyone there (and catches an arrow in midair). he 👏 fucks 👏

and honorable mentions to:

"[calmly puts out the flaming arrow galadriel shot at him with his hand] a star shines on the hour of our meeting, lady galadriel" like sir leave some rizz for the rest of us good god (in hindsight i think this was probably my Hot Adar Who Fucks awakening and my adariel shipping awakening, and then the knife-throat moment in the next episode just solidified it)

"why didn't you defeat sauron back then?" "because i hadn't yet met you" or whatever, once again, leave some rizz for the rest of us

channeling his inner mr. darcy by creating some period-drama-5-alarm-spice Hand Shots with galadriel

"you have the beauty of your foremother and if you've also inherited her wisdom then you'll know you can't defeat me in battle" just tell elrond you want him to be your pretty little sugar baby, it would be quicker

i will also add an s1 moment, when galadriel threatens to obliterate him and calls him an orc and puts a knife to his throat and he just looks at her and quietly corrects her "uruk" and almost smiles a little, homeboy was Ready to be on the receiving end of some knifeplay but alas sauron interrupted

[celebrimborium]

I'm about to overthrow my father. What've you got? — Defeat. Without your aid.

[ringsofpowerconfessions]

"As a book fan, I enjoy ROP for what it is. And S2 was far superior to S1 until they pull off that “bohemian elves” rage bait stunt in 2x07 that almost made me stop watching, and the finale was a trainwreck. It was a strong season until the last two eps. What happened? The show was never “Tolkien canon accurate” but shock value is something we don’t need on Middle-earth. I’ll still give S3 a try but depending where this is going I might stop watching entirely. This is not how to convince book fans to watch this show."

[theivorybilledwoodpecker]

Spoilers for ROP 2x07

I will not believe Arondir is dead until they explicitly confirm it on screen.

He had such little screen time this season that if this is his actual death, it feels anticlimatic.

[olessan]

"How fares your progress?" "The Rings of Power are nearly complete." "How long?" "Oh, it is another few days to affect something that shall last forever." "It will be a sad occasion. I have so enjoyed our time together." "Well, all things must end." "A pity, is it not?"

(IGN)

SAURON WHEN I FUCKIN GET YOU

[andthebubbles]

allrightey rop 2x07

gonna go ahead and say this even though this wasn't one of my fave eps (i didn't entirely think it was good, or like, i preferred ep 5 and 6 much more): imo rop is better than the three lotr movies. there.

like. sauron is badass and evil??? WAY better than the fucking eye

yeah there were weird bits in the battle like that horse jumping strangely (which i've seen haters point out), but if you'd stop looking at lotr through rose-tinted glasses, you'll remember that the things legolas got up to with cgi was just as fucking weird (the elephant thing, off the top of my head)

i didn't like this ep much because the battles dragged on and on and on (lotr also suffers from this imo), and rushing a wall in siege warfare is also very odd to my unknowledgeable self (lotr also suffers from this) and hmm mirdania and celebrimbor and sauron all talking on top of the wall and not getting shot at? (again, lotr suffers from this. but i don't see people complaining about lotr)

i'll get to the good stuff soon. heccc the good stuff was good

btw where is isildur in all this? haha

but what i really love about rop is the choices people have to make! will durin come. will that orc refuse to fight. the whole notion of 'does adar want to kill sauron more than he loves his children'...

i think the nine rings might... be a s3 thing? they get away from sauron so he spends s3 chasing after them or whatever. and giving them to men

okayokay lemme interrupt with the good stuff!! omg brimby and sauron, that convo was aahgfhghfhgh. yeah, i agree with what the internet said, that was some good shit re abuse. but the real icing on the cake was when brimby said it was my fault 😭😭😭 and galadriel blames herself too 😭😭😭

mirdania thinking that it was brimby who yeeted her off the wall! hecc

sauron flexing by having the elf soldiers kill each other!! badass, as i said

and and and brimby figuring out that he's sorta in a time loop kinda (not really, but like, ... idk how to put it exactly, but his surroundings keep cycling/repeating/are in stasis? that's really cool)

also YESSS the mithril was sauron's blood, like some people figured out :3

and i loved brimby trying to destroy the nine rings. but lol it was kinda funny when he tried to pass them off to galadriel, before you find out that he's gonna go back to sauron/sacrifice himself basically. before you learn that, it kinda looks like 'oh no i definitely don't want to be carrying those rings around bc it'll be an instant target on my back! here galadriel you have them' 😂

okay so i have a question about the orcs. i thought they couldn't go in sunlight...?

also damn the river got dammed (?) fast skjfngkjfng (i dont have an issue with this btw)

adar should've probably done a rousing speech to motivate that one orc skjsnkfjg

on the other hand, durin's rousing speech was... ooookay... i was half expecting his dad to rock up/notice from all the noise and be like WTF

AH, nearly forgot to mention: the galadriel and elrond kiss. it was fine in itself, imo you get that it's a distraction, but i really disagree with the music. i think the music makes it confusing. anyway, nbd

anyway, as i said, this isn't one of my fave eps, it's hard to hold tension with long battles i guess (to me anyway). i'm starting to wonder about the stranger though lol, maybe he'll spend two whole seasons finding his stick??

[noiralei]

You must know it pains me, treating you like--

-Like you've treated countless others?

Like Morgoth treated me.