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Reflexions (Setmana 8 del Repte Idiomes Estiu 2021)

Sí, he fet el càlcul i tinc la setmana correcte...benvinguts i benvingudes a la vuitena setmana del repte! La cosa va bastant bé, heus aquí els números:

basc* (1129/1903 mots = 59%)

gal·lès* (477/1632 mots = 29%)

romani (355/715 mots = 50%)

amhàric* (687/1646 mots = 42%)

Tot i el progrés que he fet, no crec que arribi al final dels cursos abans que acabi el repte. Dit això, mai he passat la fita de mil paraules en un curs de Memrise, així que ja ha valgut la pena. I penso seguir, si puc, durant l’any. Però primer, cal enfocar-me en les quatre setmanes que em queda, perquè amb això ja hi puc fer bastantes coses.

També estava pensant, i crec que estic en el moment ideal per fer un “level up” amb el gal·lès i el basc. És a dir que gairebé els sé parlar – no dominar, però simplement que em comencen a sortir frases i paraules sense haver-les planejat abans. Per això, vull tenir més hores d’estudi amb aquests dos, perquè si començo a entendre sèries/cançons/converses/et cètera, ja tindré més hores de pràctica i que no em faci mandra. Perquè amb el català ja tinc més de 100 hores aquest any (i amb la resta dels idiomes, menys de 20), només perquè miro sèries i vaig a hores de conversa i tal. Per tant, aquest és el meu repte per finals d’any.

Yes, I did the calculations and I have the right week...welcome to the eighth week of the challenge! It’s going pretty well, here are the numbers:

Basque* (1129/1903 mots = 59%)

Welsh* (477/1632 mots = 29%)

Romani (355/715 mots = 50%)

Amharic* (687/1646 mots = 42%)

Despite the progress I’ve made, I don’t think I’ll make it to the end of the courses before the challenge ends. That being said, I’ve never passed the milestone of a thousand words in the Memrise course before, so it’s already been worth it. And I think I’m going to continue, if I can, during the year. But first, I need to focus on the four weeks that I have left, because I can still do a lot with that.

I was also thinking, and I think I’m in the ideal moment to “level up” my Welsh and Basque. What I mean is that I almost know how to speak them – not master them, but just that words and phrases are starting to come to me without having planned them beforehand. Because of that, I want to have more hours of study with these two, because if I start understanding series/songs/conversations/et cetera, I’ll have more hours of practice and that won’t bore me. Because with Catalan, I already have more than 100 hours this year (and with the rest of my languages, less than 20), just because I watch shows and go to conversation hours and stuff. Therefore, this is my challenge for the end of the year.

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Crec que havíem passat el punt del mig alguna setmana per aquí, no n’estic segur perquè fa tant de temps que no faig un post sobre el repte que ni sé en quina setmana estem (crec que la sisena però no us ho sabria dir segur). Però vaig estudiar molt durant el viatge, probablement perquè no tenia Tumblr per ocupar-me, i vaig avançar bastant. Aquí els percentatges i els números:

basc* (982/1903 mots = 52%)

gal·lès* (327/1632 mots = 20%)

romani (239/715 mots = 33%)

amhàric* (578/1646 mots = 35%)

rus* (455/4995 mots = 9%)

He deixat de banda el rus perquè el curs té àudio, cosa que m’és molt útil, com que no llegeixo bé el ciríl·lic, però que em fa molta mandra :P La resta em van bé, he après gairebé (o potser més de) 200 paraules cadascuna. I no hi ha cap curs amb un percentatge de menys de dues xifres! Així que estic bastant content amb el progrés que faig.

He canviat una mica alguns objectius per a finals d’any però ja us ho explicaré més endavant.

English below cut :)

I think that we’ve passed the middle point some week in here, I’m not sure because it’s been so long since I’ve made a post about the challenge that I don’t even know what week we’re on (I think the sixth but I’m not 100% sure). But I studied a lot on my trip, probably because I didn’t have Tumblr to keep me busy, and I advanced a fair amount. Here are the percentages and the numbers:

Basque* (982/1903 words = 52%)

Welsh* (327/1632 words = 20%)

Romani (239/715 words = 33%)

Amharic* (578/1646 words = 35%)

Russian* (455/4995 words = 9%)

I’ve set aside Russian because the course has audio, which is very useful for me, since I don’t read Cyrillic very well, but also annoys me :P The rest are going pretty well, I’ve learned almost (or maybe more that) 200 words for each. And there’s no course with a percentage under 2 digits! So I’m pretty happy with my progress.

I’ve changed some of my goals for the end of the year but I’ll explain that to you guys later.

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Reflexions (Setmana 1 del Repte Idiomes Estiu 2021)

Hola a tothom! Ja portem una setmana amb aquest repte, espero que us hagi anat bé ^-^

Primer de tot, el meu progrés. Crec que el penjaré aquí setmana per tal de donar-me una idea de com avanço. He posat un asterisc (*) aquesta setmana pels cursos que ja havia començat abans, per tal que sapigueu que no soc un boig que apren 700 paraules a la setmana. Heus aquí els números:

basc* (724/1903 mots = 38%)

gal·lès* (86/1632 mots = 5%)

romani (80/715 mots = 11%)

amhàric* (333/1646 mots = 20%)

rus* (400/4995 mots = 8%)

Ara, algunes reflexions:

No m’agrada el curs de basc. L’havia escollit perquè són moltes paraules i perquè és d’un llibre amb exercicis de traducció molt bàsiques que em van agradar, però he trobat algunes definicions errònies i ara tinc molts dubtes. També ha sigut una mica estrany des del principi, però bé....potser hi seguiré per poder fer els exercicis a la tardor. També trobo que el meu basc està fatal i que trobo molt a faltar estudiar-lo doncs...això.

El curs de romani és meu, i falta la majoria del llibre per entregar a Memrise, em fa mandra haver d’entregar tants mots a l’ordinador, per tant no ho he fet encara :’) Crec que seran 2000 o més si mai ho faig, que no sé si ho faré perquè soc molt dropo ahaha

Llegeixo fatal en els alfabets gueez (brrr no m’agrada gens com s’escriu en català) i ciríl·lic. El primer m’importa més que el segon, perquè no tinc cap intenció de llegir en rus, només que és un pal a l’hora de fer el curs. Però hauria de practicar l’escriptura i la lectura en gueez.

Crec que no estic aprenent gaire i és perquè salto les sessions de repàs. Hauria de fer-les però això implica molta feina....i tampoc no sé per què pensava que aprendria coses amb un sistema així però bé em queixo igualment.

En general, va molt bé! Us donaré més estadístiques (i potser més reflexions 👀) el diumenge vinent, fins llavors! I si teniu notícies i reflexions podeu penjar-les aquí amb el nostre coixinet que m’he oblidat de posar al post anterior (#repte-idiomes-estiu) o bé amb el meu @ (guillemelgat). M’encantaria saber com us va!

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Reflections (Week 1 of the Languages Challenge Summer 2021)

Hello everyone! We’re a week into this challenge, I hope it went well for you guys ^-^

First of all, my progress. I think I’ll post it here every week in order to give myself an idea of how I’m doing. I’ve put an asterisk (*) this week for the courses that I had already started before, so that you guys know that I’m not a crazy person who studies 700 words a week. Here are the numbers:

Basque* (724/1903 words = 38%)

Welsh* (86/1632 words = 5%)

Romani (80/715 words = 11%)

Amharic* (333/1646 words = 20%)

Russian* (400/4995 words = 8%)

Now, a couple of reflections:

I don’t like my Basque course. I chose it because it’s a lot of words and because it’s from a book with very basic translation exercises that I liked, but I found a few incorrect definitions and now I have my doubts. It’s also been a bit strange since the start but whatever...maybe I’ll keep doing it so that I can do the exercises in the fall. I’m also finding that my Basque is terrible and that I really miss studying it so...that.

The Romani course is mine, and most of the book needs to be added to Memrise, I don’t want to type up so many words so I haven’t done it yet :’) I think it’ll be 2000 or more if I ever do it, and idk if I’ll do it because I’m very lazy ahaha

I’m terrible at reading in Ge’ez and Cyrillic. The first is more important to me than the second, since I’m not trying to read in Russian, it’s just annoying when I’m doing the course. But I should practice reading and writing in Ge’ez.

I don’t think I’m learning that much and it’s because I’m skipping the review sessions. I should do them but that’s a lot of work...and I also don’t know why I thought I’d learn things with a system like this but whatever I’m complaining anyways.

In general, it’s going very well! I’ll give you guys more stats (and maybe more reflections 👀) next Sunday, so until then! And if you have updates and reflections you can post them here with out hashtag that I forgot to put on the last post (#repte-idiomes-estiu) or with my @ (guillemelgat). I’d love to know how it’s going!

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So for Day 2 of the challenge, I had to listen to a song and (1) try to transcribe/understand the words on my own, (2) compare them and correct them against the actual words, (3) look up any words I didn’t know, and (4) try to memorize the lyrics. This is the song I picked, unfortunately it’s like more than half in Hungarian, but I did the parts in Romani and I could understand it pretty well! I’ve highlighted in red the parts I couldn’t understand and put the vocab I learned at the bottom! The translation is really bad, corrections welcome 😅

Suno san tu numa shej You are only a dream, girl Kade dur sar le čerhaja As far away as the stars Katar mande shej From me, girl

Kai te rodav aba tut Where I still look for you Nai man pača p’adi phuv I do not have peace on this earth

Andre phirav me e luma I walk out into the world Numa te zhantar e dukha Only that the pain may leave Cerraj mange adi luma This world is just a little to me Na bistrav tut šoha I will never forget you

New Words:

suno - dream

čerhaj - star

pača - peace, rest

šoha - never

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 15

Prompt: Learn 5 new words and use them in a sentence.

(I’m pretty behind on these, I’ll possibly try to catch up or possibly just skipped what I missed :/)

tista - quite

Si tista shil ke si o ivend. - It's quite cold because it's the winter

mako - poppy

Ande i bar si yekh mako. - In the garden there's a poppy.

drab - medicine

Murro murtano chi xal pesko drab. - My cat does not eat his medicine.

inkrel - to hold

Inkrav e bukfa. - I hold the book.

kecavo - such

Ashundem kecavi paramicha p'o Radio Romano. - I heard a story like that on Radio Romano.

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 6

Prompt: Read a blog.

I don’t know any blogs so I read the first story in this book (Tusa Ande Akhoren Khelos), which is in Lovari but I could find anything in Kalderash ;-; Anyways at this rate I’m going to end up knowing Lovari but so be it I guess

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 5

Prompt: Listen to Radio Romano.

I’ve actually been listening to Radio Romano every day, the episode I listened to today was about Holocaust Rememberance and some initiatives related to that. I could understand it better because I think this announcer speaks in something closer to Kalderash/Lovari.

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 4

Photo by LinedPhoto on Unsplash

Here’s my extremely iffy text (you know how I made that post about Romlex...well that was where we were at today so idk if half these words even exist):

Kaki fotografija si Tarantestar. Ande Taranteste si but Rroma kai den-duma ando Amerikani Kalderashitska. Kodo si o dialekto kai sikav. Chi gelem ka Taranteste, numa gelem ka Kanadate, ka Montreal. Si but jiv ande kakja fotografija, thai but kamav o jiv. Vi akathe si but jiv. Numa ande fotografija o jiv perel. Thai-vi si but mobilija. Kamav o jiv maj but katar le mobilijandar.

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 20

Prompt: Write about your day.

yes these posts are completely out of order now

Ages kerdem but buki. Wushtilem rano ando diminyatsa ke but tato sas murre khereste – murro dad bishterdyas te phandavel (?) o phiromasko. No, ramosardem trin lil, yekh sas murre veroste, thai dui sas murre amalinande. Pala kodole, kerdem buki murre traburya tsine. Ando mizmeri, gelem te phirav ka univerziteto. Sas but lungo drom. No, dav-duma vi murra amalinasa vi murre dadesa. Dikhlem televizhono thai akana ramov Rromanes, pa zhav te sovav!

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 16

Prompt: Plan your day.

Ages musai te....

zhav klasate

phirav te kinav thud

sikav Rromani shib

ramov paramicha

ramov lil murre veroske

ginav La memòria de l'arbre

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Level Up Challenge (Romani) - Day 10

Prompt: Learn filler words.

This is a bit late because there’s not exactly lists of filler words in Romani easily available, so I was talking with people on the server I’m on to get their opinions. Here’s the list of filler words they came up with, probably skewed towards American Kalderash:

zhanes, hakyares - you know

znachi - that is (Slavic loanword)

azhuker (tsirra/ekh klipa) - wait (a sec)

chaches? - really?

naj kadja? - right?

apsolutno(?), sar te na - of course (sar te na came off as sarcastic to some people though so potentially use with caution)

mishto, ja ja - okay

gindiv - I think

Let me know if you have any other words/corrections!

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Level Up Challenge (Romani) - Day 9

Prompt: Plan your day in the language.

Ages mangav te...

zhav te phirav

sikav e Rromani shib thai e Malayalicka

ginav murre klasake

ramov

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 7

Prompt: Write a poem.

Hey look at me doing this at a reasonable hour for once

It was snowing outside the window and I just really love snow so I wrote a dumb poem about how much I love the snow:

Del jiv thaj le droma si parne

Ande l’kashtende gilaban le chirikle

Ando murre khereste vi me gilabav

Anda mundrimaste adi lumake kai beshav

I have no idea if this makes any sense at all, so corrections are welcome! Also I’m not sure whether to use the prepositional case after prepositions??? I’ve been getting very mixed messages about that and would appreciate more input.

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 3

Prompt: Write about your day.

Murro Ges Rromanes

Ages chi kerdem but buki. Pomenisardem-ma oxto chasurya tha gelem ka klasate. Dem-duma murre amalensa. Kartozhisardem. Kerdem daro murra amalinake. Gindem tsirra bukfa numa chi gindem sar but kai manglem(?). Gindem murra amalinasa tha sas lashe. Thai-vi murri zeya dukhal tha chi kamav kodo. No, kodo sas murro ges.

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Level Up Challenge (Romani): Day 1

Prompt: Watch the news in your TL.

Since I’m not sure if there’s Romani-language broadcast television, I instead listened to Radio Romano, which is a Swedish Romani-language radio program. I’m not sure what dialect the main announcer was speaking in but I had a bit of trouble understanding him. There was an interviewee who was speaking either Kalderash or Lovari, though, and I could understand him pretty well. I think over the course of listening I got a bit more comfortable as well too – so this was a useful and interesting exercise! One problem, though, was that since it’s from Sweden, some of the people were speaking in Swedish, which led to me being like “wow I really can’t understand this person I must really be bad at Romani” and then realizing that it was literally a language I didn’t speak 😅

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