#respect sansa

[death-of-cats]

thinking about Sandor meeting and interacting with Sansa and having this intense emotional reaction to her and she forces him to confront what he believes about himself and he projects all this baggage onto her in the process and then he captures Arya and is like. hmm. well. this sure is different.

anyways, sometimes i think Stannis had a similar experience meeting Jon Snow, and then. Theon.

[ladygreene13]

I am yet again begging yall to keep Sansa's name out of hotd discourse 😭 please stop comparing my girl to alicent or any of these deranged mfs, they are NOT the same

[alaynestcnes]

A popular asoiaf tiktoker recently posted a video about the Ashford Tourney and stated that Jonsa is very possible as an endgame 😳😳 I’m legitimately shocked since apart from Alt Shift X and Adam Feldman, no other BNFs have endorsed /entertained Jonsa as an a legitimate possibility … I think people are lowkey starting to warm up to it?? I even saw another video last week which garnered a lot of likes about Sansa falling in love with Waymar Royce who resembles Jon and there were only like two antis in the comments …. I used to pray for times like this lmaooo 😭

mfw that vid came on my fyp and not only was it treated favourably but the comments were also largely positive

[maastrichtiana]

teen girl betting it all on forbidden star crossed romance with a white haired brooding bishonen prince is THE generic YA romantasy, he’s emo, he’s got dark dark secrets, he’s got daddy issues

Lyanna just didn’t know what series she was in

[badley]

really hilarious to me that in asoiaf the two ships most compelling to me is

1. sisterfucker who went through the most traumatising event in his life with tragically straight butch woman 14 years his junior who is slowly reminding him of everything he believed in. and there are strange significant dreams happening. she is in denial about being in love with him bc she thinks he can do better. he cannot (see: sisterfucker + widely reviled and feared + every time someone flirts w him he flirts back until they go what that dick like at which point he goes bad leave me alone). she is the world's most hopeful and honourable knight except she's not a knight. i will stop now bc there is more to say but we will be here all day.

2. well there are two young girls who. yes. are on different continents. and have never met. stay with me. they have had WILDLY different experiences regarding family, marriage, the abuse of power, and old men who are into them to a weird degree. and i think that there is a chance that one of them, having grown accustomed to smiling demurely at you on her way to go pray for the deaths of you and your entire disgusting family, could really use the influence of the other, who keeps saying shit like i am but a young girl after having having sacked two cities and conquered another. when we last saw one of them, she was in disguise gossiping with a sweet stranger while on her way to meet yet another potential husband under duress. and the other had dysentery, a miscarriage, a dragon, and a fake ass husband and city in turmoil to get back to. and i think that is a combo i would like to see. i know they haven't even met yet. this is just vibes and plans and ideas i am sorry.

[alicentflorent]

I just found out Viserys is only 10 years older than Alicent in the books, they married when she was 19 and he was 29.

Which begs the question: why did they make Alicent a child bride who was forced to marry a man old enough to be her father in the show?

I knew alicent was 18 but didn't realise V was that young, I thought he was mid-late 30s. That age gap isn't too bad by asoiaf standards. He married Aemma when she was 11-13, put her through all of those pregnancies and he was an adult when they married I believe (EDIT: he was 16 when he married Aemma so not yet an adult but still notably older than Aemma) and it was also him that married Helaena to Aegon when they were also just teens so he is still pretty gross.

As for the creative choices on the show, aside from recycling general abuse/grooming/SA storylines that GoT and GRRM himself used, I always thought they merged book Alicent's tragic backstory with the previous king Jaehaerys with her relationship with Viserys

"When her father was named Hand of the King by King Jaehaerys I Targaryen in 101 AC, thirteen year-old Alicent accompanied him to court together with her brothers and mother. In 103 AC, Alicent became the constant companion of King Jaehaerys, whose health was failing.[N 1] She fetched his meals, helped him wash and dress, and read to him. In the end, King Jaehaerys sometimes mistook her for his daughter, Saera Targaryen. Jaehaerys eventually died the same year, while Alicent was reading to him"

This outline makes me think they've definitely merged Alicent/Jaehaerys with Alicent/Viserys. The show definitely adapted this from the book: She was forced to become the companion and carer to the king by her father, She tends to personal care needs of both kings like bathing them, She gets mistaken for the kings daughter near the end in both instances, She's still a victim of grooming via her father who for sure would have married her off to J if he wasn't so old and unwell. Viserys in the show is essentially taking on the role sickly older man with a teenage companion. Book Alicent may be a victim and went through trauma in her teenage years but thankfully was not subjected to marriage, pregnancy and SA at 15. As for her relationship with book Viserys I think by that point she wanted to be queen? she wouldn't have had the power to turn down a proposal from the king or go against her father in any case but she also had goals of her own and I imagine after taking care of a sickly old man for years, probably dealing with rumours that she was perhaps his mistress then she probably thought marrying the new younger king and having some power in her own right, even if it is through marriage and having sons that would inherit the throne then she was okay with that. Girlie put in the work so I can hardly blame her for wanting her son on the throne, and wanting to benefit herself.

Final thoughts: I feel like teen alicent on the show is probably similar to how she was as a teen in the books so it wasn't purely a show invention. Alicent in both stories was groomed, used by her father, made to be the "companion" to the king, was probably pretty isolated because of this companionship. The difference is Alicent grew up and even if her goals were influenced by her fathers manipulation. She HAD goals, wants and desires. Alicent was the one who was scheming behind the scenes, who was head of the green council and willing to be ruthless if she had to be. I'm glad the show added a few more layers to her character and didn't have her be a two dimensional evil stepmother but they went too far in the other direction and in an attempt to make her more likeable she ends up overshadowed by the men in her life who take her power. throughout the show regularly mocked, abused, SA'd and worried about her children safety because Viserys won't protect them. Although this is clearly one reason why she resents rhaenyra and her life, they never used it to fuel alicents own wants and desires and what she's willing to do and who she's willing to step on to get it. Alicent is the queen but rarely do we see her pull rank (she should've with Larys) and she often goes back on her `power moves or doesn't follow through (like actively plotting to get Aegon on the throne) and even apologises for her "behaviour" (the aemond incident) which is not just inconsistent but makes her come across as more hypocritical that she is meant to be. The show took away the little power she had by not allowing her to fully embrace what she wanted for herself and her children.

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[anxiouspotatorants]

Not me shipping Sansa with Podrick in year two thousand and twenty four

[captaincanonly]

my brother in christ

[ilynpilled]

A Storm of Swords - Arya I

A Storm of Swords - Jaime II

A Storm of Swords - Arya V

A Storm of Swords - Jaime III

[branwinged]

you're doing that thing jonsas also do where you conflate 'i do not like this ship, the idea of these characters fucking does not spark joy' with 'i am blind and unappreciative to any dynamic at all between these characters'. (obvious caveat is obvious but a

is this about that sansan post.... it was about their canonical dynamic, those angrily opposed to sansan were obviously implying there is no textual basis for anyone's interest in it beyond general moral depravity(!) and most of them were also j onsa shippers who think there's a possibility of their ship going canon, hence the tag ("#i just think it's funny to ignore all that and then turn around and ship J ONSA"). now that you have context ->

yea okay, statistically speaking, there is at least one fic out there which manages to write j onsa in a way i will find compelling, but that's true for all ships. i'm allowed to have a general opinion on a ship based on the fact that i neither like the popular interpretation of their dynamic nor do i care about them in a shipping context because those two don't have enough (any!) interactions or thematic overlap. and the defining thing about sansa's chapters for me is the examination of the lie of chivalry, that the role of the perfect lady waiting for her true knight is simply another form of entrapment. it is no coincidence that the two men who offer her even a little bit of compassion (it's not enough) in king's landing are tyrion and sandor, characters who will never be proclaimed as heroes under the chivalric paradigm because of their disablity, and in sandor's case, the disfigurement. because in the songs all knights are able bodied and handsome and all maidens are dutiful and fair. they are the 'beasts' to her beauty and the beastliness is their ableist rejection by society, a rejection which has fostered feelings of cynicism and nihilism in them. sandor's monstrosity also manifests outwards, he doesn't recognise the value of kindness. he must mock and torment sansa, which is his way of educating her, because he was never subjected to kindness. not until sansa.

sansa dreams of a fair knight within the constraints of the chivalric paradigm, but she's beginning to see through that lie. true knighthood in these books will not arrive in the form of an aemon the dragonknight (who was too wrapped up in his vows to protect naerys from their brother), but the earnest belief that despite the unjust structures of the world, we have a responsibility to make the hard choices to one day fulfill the dream of a better future. i expect she will find a true knight in the form of an unconventional hero such as brienne (or sandor, after his moral transformation), but they won't play the role of shining knight to her docile, helpless maiden either. she will have a measure of self-reliance first. anyway those were a lot of words to say that i don't like this framing of jon as her handsome true knight (he is a knight, but not necessarily sansa's) who swoops in to rescue her in winds, and i think it plays into ideas her chapters are deconstructing.

and these are just my thoughts on the ship (in a canonical setting, people can do whatever they want in their AUs), i don't have a problem with anyone shipping any characters. also my fav ship for jon is jonsam greatest jon ship of all time jon and satin don't have what they have. okay that's it 👍

[fearthhereaper]

"sansa would never be team green"

archive footage of sansa talking to the velaryon boys:

[imaginarianisms]

more asoiaf comparisons, parallels & antiparallels to the first dance of the dragons vs the second & final dance of the dragons (& possibly the sixth blackfyre rebellion): the blacks being daenerys i targaryen's supporters, the golds being aegon vi targaryen's supporters, tommen baratheon being a close equivalent to gaemon palehair & his mother essie & sylvenna sand which may be interpreted as a parallel with queen cersei lannister & taena merryweather of myr, trystane truefyre being a close equivalent to aegon/young griff & perkin being jon connington & the shepherd being the new high septon the high sparrow, dalton greyjoy being euron i greyjoy's ancestor & the latter surpassing him, alyn waters later alyn velaryon resembling aurane waters later aurane velaryon & finishing what their ancestors started. history repeats itself.

[steelycunt]

trying hard with game of thrones but im saury i cant tell the difference between so many of these men. im watching it and theres a old man with short grey hair and grey beard and then later he turns back up except im supposed to understand that hes a DIFFERENT man and hes actually fighting the first one. well i dont

[ms-rampage]

Sansa Stark (the face claim for Liv; Sophie Turner): "I don't want someone brave, gentle and strong, I want him!." (Referring to Prince Joffrey; Game of Thrones)

Liv (looks over at Eivor): "I-I do, I want someone brave, gentle and strong."

[jonsaslove]

Arya Columbus stans are still THIS in their feelings over their fave going off on her little ship to fuck knows wherever and Sansa being Queen in the North. I love winning!

Haha. It just astounds me that anyone felt the need to send that four years after the show ended and when I've literally been doing nothing but minding my business! Sansa has the people pressed, as she should.

[rise-my-angel]

Very refreshing to see someone who hates J0nsa, Jonria, Jonerice and Jongritte because I too dislike all those ships with a passion. lol.

I don't ship Jon with anyone at all, but his four main ships all so happen to be ones I hate with a passion. Like his three main ships are all incest and his other ship is with his rapist.

How about shipping Jon living just a quiet, happy life with Ghost? How about that ship?

Like you look up anti jonerys posts and you only see jonsa posts, look up anti jonsa posts you see jonerys and jonrya posts like oh my god why does everyone ship Jon with such horrible pairings? Why do people all secretly hate him?