#relationship: jon/martin

[hemi-demi]

I've seen it said in places that Jon and Martin's relationship (specifically Jon realizing he has feelings for Martin) feels rushed and out of nowhere, and there's a perspective here that I want to share.

I think some people see them as explicitly a gay couple and expect them both to react a certain way to each other, but I have some thoughts as to why Jon is different and their relationship might not look like a traditional MLM story.

I feel that Jon's affections for Martin are absolutely there and growing over time, but with him being acespec, possibly autistic (the "I feel...sad" moment screams alexithymia to me. He doesn't fully understand his internal feelings until they're too big to ignore), and trying very hard to not get murdered for several seasons, I think it's perfectly reasonable his feelings for Martin would take time to develop.

We do see him softening to Martin over time. We see him thinking about Martin unprompted when he's alone. We see him going from "this man is going to ruin this delicate facade I've put up to seem professional, and I want him gone immediately." to "Oh, you're actually capable. So capable you might be trying to kill me." To "I don't want him to get involved or he might get hurt. I need to keep my distance so he's safe." To "I'm going to make myself tea out of nowhere because the guy who usually made it for me all the time isn't here and now it's part of my routine and I want to keep that part of him around while I'm hiding out for murder."

But once he identifies his own feelings, he overcorrects right into hopeless romantic. He's pining hard all S4, because he finally realized himself that he's in love and it's at the worst possible time. It is abrupt. Dude only just figured it out and he's throwing his whole ass into this.

I think even without the autistic headcanon, the acespec nature of how he views relationships and his whole "I feel...sad" moment indicates clearly that he was just oblivious to his own feelings for a very long time.

I know it feels sudden, but some of us are oblivious, okay? I was friends with a girl for 2 years before my brain flipped the switch and Jon's reaction felt so familiar, and I love it. I just hardly ever get to see "me" in media, and it's a bummer when people say it feels unrealistic. It's not, it's just not the norm.

[occudo]

Metal Mittens

For anyone who thought I killed Jon-

I didn't!

(just never found it in myself to finish this one's inking. So I didn't in the end -- I started this in September :'D )

They are going to the Winter Gala after this

[chironeis]

the thing is that martin thinks it took "two years of crisis and trauma" just to make him and jon compatible and the reason jon doesn't know how to rebut that wildly incorrect fact is because he's barely aware that he had a stick so far up his ass in season one that it grew roots in his brain before he stubbornly and meticulously and with gritted teeth plucked them all out. jon could've plucked those roots out before all the trauma and crises if he simply chose to. and he would. in so many universes. because martin (and friendship and love and connection) is worth it. mic drop

[mxwhore]

Idk if you already got this request a while back but ever since I saw your sphinx Martin I would think what about a Harpy Jon to go with him

i hadnt actually! very fun to think about

[lonelyslutavatar]

Anon ask - I imagine that Jon is the big spoon just to feel his soft boyfriend

I'm on team Jon hates being groped but doing the groping on his soft boyfriend? hell ye

[inlovewithquotes]

"How is it that you did not wed?" Jaime asked him.

"Why, I went to Tarth and saw her. I had six years on her, yet the wench could look me in the eye. She was a sow in silk, though most sows have bigger teats. When she tried to talk she almost chocked on her own tongue. I gave her a rose and told her it was all that she would ever have from me." Connington glanced into the pit. "The bear was less hairy than that freak, I'll----"

Jaime's golden hand cracked him across the mouth so hard the other knight went stumbling down the steps. His lantern fell and smashed, and the oil spread out, burning.

"You are speaking of a highborn lady, ser. Call her by her name. Call her Brienne."

Connington edged away from the spreading flames on his hands and knees. "Brienne. If it please my lord." He spat a glob of blood on Jaime's foot. "Brienne the Beauty."

-A Feast For Crows

[orderforbrian]

martin's promotion from jon's most hated employee in s1 to jon's nagging wife in s2 is astounding

[randomfandomsgobrrrrrr]

you never learn about yourself like what you learn about yourself while watching tma

[universal-joke]

While shaving Jon’s head at the safe house, Martin finds out that Jon has a tattoo. A tattoo of a purple martin.

I really want to thank this tma animatic (go check it out it’s really good!) for into introducing me to the song ‘NOT ENTIRELY ALONE’ and getting me to do research on the meaning of Martin's name and then the meaning of martins (the bird).

(rambles about art in undercut)

|| Commission Me ||

Martins are a a type of sparrow and so they are broadly associated with good luck and safe travels/nearing the end of a journey. Martins themselves are more closely related to dependency, specifically the purple martin as it is a bird that has adapted to be heavily reliant on humans for homes/shelter. This is what I call dramatic irony, as the Eye did not tell Jon that last bit of meaning until after he got the tattoo.

Daisy was of course the person who suggested the martin tattoo. Jon first thought she was telling him to get a tattoo of Martin's face and was so offended that she thought of him being that desperate. Daisy of course laughed at him when he voiced his assumption, but then not so subtly encouraged him to get the face tattoo. She went with him to the tattoo appointment and got herself a shitty meme tattoo so she can be disappointed in herself for it.

[sparky-is-spiders]

Aromantic Jon who doesn't know they're aro who treats romantic relationships like yet another chore they have to do now that they're an adult. They're in their twenties now. They've put it off for long enough but they're going to have to do it eventually, it's just what adults do. They sort of approach every relationship like an obligation they're checking off of their to-do list. People keep breaking up with them for it. They used to think everyone else also felt like being in a romantic relationship was a huge burden, but after a few comments landed weird they now suspect it's just yet another short-coming of theirs (they've never been good at understanding other people anyways).

They don't think about it for most of the plot of the podcast, due to the. Everything. Until maybe around S4. But by that point they've basically decided that that doesn't matter any more. Too much time, effort, and risk for anyone not already involved (and no one who IS involved is an option). It's a massive weight off their shoulders. They draw no larger conclusions from this.

[annabelle--cane]

I've made this post before but it continues to amuse me that jon went to georgie, his relatively amicable ex, for help in a time of great need and vulnerability. and she was the only person he saw for about two months. and he spent those two months wearing her clothes. and yet she is one of the few people that martin was not jealous of at all.

[occudo]

Knight...tumny...

Now this is the fanservice we need! 👏

Me hurting Martin just to get to draw him without a shirt: Yes, it's absolutely necessary for his characterization....

[justa-smalltown-gargoyle]

Jmart sketchy sketch because I will never not be emotional about them

[5yours-yours2]

Season 2 Theories

Possessions. Jon and Elias, the eye and the thing from angler fish respectively.

Not Sasha. Large part of season 2, table too. Tim involved?

Jon and Martin. Jon's paranoid, I am worried about what happened in the panic room because bonding might be broken. This will most definitely effect martin for the worse, leading to later problems.

Gertrude's death. Reasons Jons paranoid, gonna have to do with martin (as listed above), Dreamer says it was violent, three shots to the chest.

The Church of the Divine Host. The eye? Unsure of its connection to anything. Please note: the man burning. Edwin Burroghs possession was a ceremony in session? Kathy unscrewing lightbulbs and the spinach-like substance.

Jergen Leitneir. Fuck this guy, rich ass pimp, going to be the deaths of way to many (almost surely innocent) people. The tomb and under the building.

Tims dying. Only character w/out side plot (so far, Not Sasha? Unsure.) All signs point to yes.

New characters? Maybe Melanie King??? Unsure.

The sky???? Maybe????????? Unsure.

Beacon and Hope Deliveries. In two episodes, will be important. The delivery men from 35, was it? Coffin reappearance?

Places to remember. 93 Lancaster Rd, Hilltop Rd, St. Thomas Hospital,

The family with straight faces. Related to 34? (Thoughts are going to 24 as well, but doubtful.) Unsure.

Lost Johns Cave. Unsure of connections, has to do with the dark, like the guy from angler fish, amogst other things.

Major Tom. He better show up or I'm throwing HANDS. The spider on the shelf that Jon broke? Jon has Arachnophobia, has to do with this episode? Unsure.

The Meat. Where did the man upstairs get it from? Has to do with the Killing Floor?

The Circus of the Other (specifically Nikolai Oretsev) Unsure of its connections, but will be important.

Micheal, has to do w Not Sasha? I am almost positive there are more of him.

The spirit haunting Paul Macenzie, unsure of connections, possibly 24?

Death. Unsure of its connection to the main plot, but death is a largely feared thing. so will be connected somehow I believe.

Jon's fear. Connected to Martin somehow? He has a fear of many a thing.

The Hiker. Or, more accurately, The Hunter. Unsure of its connections but will be important to something.

The crew of the Tundra. Possible connections are as follows; The Church of the Divine Host, other sacrifice cult things?

Gertrude's filings. She solved it and thats how they were filed. By major plot lines (or…fears)

The sickness. similar to the man upstairs? Unsure. Trevor makes and appearance however and might reappear?

The Vase. Or, more accurately, the creature within it. I am unsure of its connections to the main plot but it will reappear in artifact storage

Mikilaie Sailsa. No i didnt spell that right but alas. He is the keeper of things that are 'lost' in my opinion. Connected to Leitner. Sold table to Graham? Unsure.

No more Jane. No more worms. Please.

[navree]

i say this with all due respect, and so much love, cuz i do actually like him, but on what planet is martin an important name at the magnus institute? like, jonah created the place and stuck around for the entire time as its head over and over, jonathan is the lynchpin of the ritual/the archivist/the literal archive itself, martin is just A Guy!

[magpod-confessions]

If you hate jonelias because it’s “toxic” and “boss x employee” then you should also hate jmart :)

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