#problematic ships ARE NOT COOL
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ATTENTION!

it has come to my attention that people are associating sastiel w/ w*ncest...NOT ON MY WATCH.
Now i said id be polite but yall are getting WAY too comfortable mashing up sastiel with w*ncest/w*irdcest. And the occasional "bringing sastiel down, uplifting destiel."
I need you to STOP and leave sastiel out of it. im tired of seeing them ugly fucking takes OR really interesting ones and then have w*ncest tagged RIGHT under it. STOP IT! do not act like we are outcasted losers like the rest of you (i cant believe im saying this) fake fujoshi, white woman, *ncest loving, brother sh*pping obsessed bitches on the sastiel tag. LEAVE. im tryna see some cool sastiel shit.
#sastiel's manuscript is drafting...#sastiel rant#but its towards degenerates#my opinion#and i have tried to play nice leaving it alone but a lot of you bitches are annoying#like i know its tumblr but i thought we outgrew that phase#problematic ships ARE NOT COOL#none of you fujos would understand that#sastiel#supernatural#sam winchester#samcas#samstiel#castiel#sastielnation#spn
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i saw someone say that they “heard it’s not cool to ship ____ anymore”.
honey. im gonna hold your hand. i need us to remember where we are.
#let’s all step back and remember we are posting on tumblr dot com#i promise it’s okay to not be the most popular person at the loser convention#just jokes i actually think fandom is so cool#but i was giggling#like baby girl NONE of this is cool that’s the point#live and let ship#mind u this wasn’t about a problematic ship it was just one suddenly deemed ‘lame’#which is making my giggle#rosey rambles#cringe died a long time ago#go have fun
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these tags were on a post ranting about how sastiel is associated with wincest which like. i can understand how some sastiel shippers want to be separate i feel like calling wincesties "degenerates" is maybe. not a good idea
#txt#personal#where's that one post that's like “stop saying degenerate you sound like a nazi” because yeah#sorry i'm giggling really hard over “problematic ships ARE NOT COOL none of you fujos would understand that”
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On one hand, I want a final fantasy 6 remake, because the game is criminally underrated and the amount of fan content (which is all absolutely fantastic btw) is Not Enough for my neurodivergent, hyperfixating brain.
On the other hand, that would inevitably encourage more people to join the fandom, which would be great, except it seems these days the bigger a fandom gets the more toxic it becomes, and I really like what we have going on over here in our little corner. We all just love the game and its characters and nobody fights about who should and shouldn't date who or who you shouldn't like because they're ~problematique~. Nobody's trying to make one ship morally better than another, nobody's calling anyone names or threatening to doxx people who don't agree with their opinions. It's so peaceful and I love that for us. We're just vibing. Moisturized. Unbothered. In our lane. Flourishing.
#as someone who was in an extremely toxic and chaotic fandom and lowkey still traumatized#to the point where I'm afraid to mention which fandom it was/what my ship was#i have to say#i genuinely love it here#i was nervous at first sharing my ships and headcanons but everyone is so chill i was worried for nothing#thank you to everyone I've interacted with who has made this fandom a healing experience for me#i shudder to think about what some of the people i interacted with in a previous fandom would do with ff6#probably would take edgar's flirting at face value and call him problematic for objectifying women#instead of considering the narrative and what we know about him and the way he actually treats women#my man drinks loving and respecting women juice he's not a creep#or that weird moment with relm that admittedly made me double take before i realized what he meant#theyd have a whole campaign against him lmfao#bc those people boil characters alive until they're just a formless pile of tropes and stereotypes#and seem to disregard all positive aspects of a character they don't like which is fine#but then they go and try to force other people to think like they do and ugh#theres a lot of silly moments in the game and aspects of these characters that make them well rounded and realistically flawed at times#and i fear that would get lost in the chaos if the floodgates opened after a remake#maybe im just jaded lmao#im jaded and i have anxiety so im always thinking about The Worst Case Scenario#the collective positive spirit of the dwellers in this fandom might actually foster a positive space if more people were to come in#ff6#my post#i was gonna say maybe this is bc we're mostly adults#but that falls flat when i remember how some of the most toxic and immature people in some fandoms are grown ass adults#who bully each other and younger fans#and some of the most mature and cool people were actually younger#maybe ff6 fans are just built different lmao#also idk how old anyone else actually is there might be teenagers here i just don't think about it a lot
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im becoming a “spuffy is a amazing and important ship for both spike and buffy and it DEFINITELY should have happened in canon but……….. bangel should be endgame eventually” Truther and I hate that for me
#I know it’s not cool &#its ’problematic’ to ship them#and I also have a lot of issues with how it was written in the beginning#it just….. WASNT GOOD. in any way.#but bangel sloooowly becomes good and starts to feels so fated#2 me
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Still cant believe theres a subsection of twitter selfshippers of people who are vehemently against proship... while being selfshippers.... do they know...
#im not calling it yumeshipping#its just selfshipping lmfao#no need for fancy jp terms#“fiction affects reality” okay but what reality is you shipping yourself with a fictional character affecting#its almost like... fiction DOESN'T affect reality wow...#unless you wanna be hypocritical and say “uhm akchsually this only applies to *insert problematic thing*”#as if the og statement leaves any room for vagueness and interpretation LMAO#fiction really only affects the reality of stupid people huh#also no hate to selfshippers you guys are cool as long as yall arent annoying#selfshipping has always been affiliated with proshipping#the sooner people accept that#the better#proshippers are welcome#proshippers#proshippers are valid#proshippers please interact#profiction#darkship#anti harassment#proud proshitter#antis do not interact
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"kitty's feelings for yuri came out of nowhere" it was set up better in the show than when i realised i had crushes on girls in real life
#like buddy it was leading to that#xo kitty#tumblr y'all are great. ofc minho x kitty shippers included bc you can ship a bi girl with a boy and not be biphobic#this is about the youtube and instagram people who are so disappointed kitty was revealed to be not straight#like. one time i felt attraction to my friend in sport and went 'guess this makes me bisexual. FUCK.'#did i do anything abuout this no#and i can't remember if this was before or after my sapphic dreams (same year tho)#but the point stands. you. just. feel attracted to a girl. and you repress and that doesn't work and you go cool guess i swing both ways#and that happens#this was well set up. there are probably problematic aspects but this was a bisexual experience. it was foreshadowed before the dream#also i really like it bc it relates to my experiences!!#not- not all of it.#but realising you might be a little bi when you dream about kissing another girl. sudden realisation you're queer.#writing off dreams bc 'they're just dreams' and talking about them in a vague way even to your queer friends#trying to repress it but realising that isn't working#going 'this is not the way straight people feel for people of the same gender'#bi panic.#kitty bi panics so much in this show (the throuple scene) AND WE DESERVE MORE OF IT#the internal confusion and expecting no one to accept this epiphany about yourself (and biphobia!! you hate to see it)#uh yeah anyway#i know this show is far from flawless but i really like it#also goes to show that white people *can* in fact sympathise with characters of colour and not every show needs to be white#(looking at you instagram commenter who was made that shows have gay and black people no i'm not kidding)#social media is a hate crime. here is just torture.
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not the griffguts artist being an anti 🤣 my brother in christ did we read the same manga
#their art was pretty cool too. too bad :(#my posts#yeah lemme ship the uhhh *checks notes*#the csa survivor with his captor/a rapist/killer and destroyer of everything he knows and loves/permanent antagonist#and somehow still be an anti like how. 🤣🤣🤣#anyways i love griffguts and toxic ships and problematic stories and--
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Ethically I know it’s wrong and therefore I won’t do it
But sometimes I come across posts about ships and I just want to go “You’re not original, you’re not special, you’re obnoxious and frankly childish. Keep your shit out of the tags if you’re going to just be hateful. Until you have the balls to say that George R.R. Martin is a freak who deserves to die for problematic content like you say about randos on the internet, you need to sit down and shut up so the rest of us can exist without your bull in the tags of the things we like.”
Like yes I block them, and the ppl who encourage them in the tags, but it never kills the urge to snap at them.
Like on one hand, curate my own experience by blocking, on the other hand if no one counters and tells them that they’re wrong in so many ways and have turned disgust into morality that they would never hold against mainstream art and they’re regurgitating purity culture bullshit they may never actually realize why so many older members of fandom hate them and gets so aggressive and will continue to think that they’re in the right to be hateful and attack real people
#Danny rants#like someone needs to tell them#probably not me because I’ll call them a fucking idiot and that tends to put people on the defensive#but it does need to be told#I’ll probably delete this later I’m just annoyed rn#the amount of people who I thought were pretty cool and then a *fanon* created problematic ship exists and they turn so hateful and#aggressive#(and by fanon created i mean this was a ship that fanon decided had a father son relationship#despite the characters having a very different dynamic and one part of the ship saying ‘I don’t want you bowing to me I want you to be my#equal’ but fanon says father and son so clearly it’s basically incest)#and the amount of my own personal friends who have been attacked for liking ‘problematic ships’ by these people#who go ‘well no offense to those who ship it but it’s disgusting and not good at all and it’s pulled out of their ass and you’d have to be#a freak to like it’#is frankly unacceptable#I know fandom is a very small niche of the world but the people in it are very real and the people who are attacked because of purity#culture are very real and sometimes I feel like blocking does nothing because no one’s telling them to knock it off#also the fact that adults are doing it… have some awareness#go be a Greek mythology hater and tell Martin he’s a freak and leave randos alone online
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fascinated by this one artist i follow on insta who is apparently going to be a medical doctor who also follows all of those genuinely deranged raw vegan and carnivore diet accounts. girl please drop out
#the cool thing about being into ?? problematic or whatever ships is i know he will never see this#but BRO PLEASE DROP OUT 😭😭
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If there's one thing I'll never understand in any fandom, it's a ship war / weird, aggressive ragging on other ships
#not liking a ship: fine and cool and good#telling people they're bad and wrong for liking a ship: clown behavior*#analysis on why a ship doesn't work for you personally: also fine and good!#telling people they shouldn't ship sthg bc it 'doesnt make sense in canon': i al hitting you with a broom#*i am talking about your average ''''non problematic'''' ship#taboo/toxic ships are a separate conversation that i do not want to have
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#I was going to make a whole tags post about how I’m not a proshipper because ships that generally fall under ‘problematic’#aren’t my wheelhouse#but I fully support people who do like ‘problematic’ ships#but that’s basically what being a proshipper is right?#and the reason I was going to make this post was because I saw a ‘proshippers dni’#so I was like ‘lol these people would never know I’m definitionally a proshipper’#and then I was thinking what would I be called#I want to say like anti-passing but that implies I might seem anti which I hope I don’t#what I’m saying is there should be a neutral option for this stupid ‘argument’#(I think being proship is the neutral because it’s minding your own business really but people are dumb)#like I’d say I’m pro proship but not actively a proshipper I guess#I guess???#I don’t want to interact with anyone who has proship dni anyway lol#all this being said. IF YOU’RE SIMPING FOR THE TV HEAD DOCTOR FROM POPPY PLAYTIME#WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR ESSENTIALLY TORTURING/ MURDERING THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN AND ADULTS#AND WHO WAS GLAD TO DO IT AND SHOWED NO REMORSE#THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING JUDGING PEOPLE FOR THEIR SHIPS???#ignore me#maybe to be deleted#I wasn’t sure I was going to actually make this ‘post’ but I have readings to do so I’m here instead#(for the record the stupid people are antis)#((you know now that I think about it this is kinda how I felt before I knew I was ace#like ‘I’m pretty sure I’m not gay but people who are are super cool and I don’t understand what straight people are talking about either#‘))#I’ve edited this post like 4 times girl NO ONE IS READING THIS (hi El maybe?)#I don’t know what I’m talking about anymore lmao#anyway let people ship whatever they want and don’t be a hypocrite#yeah that’s what this post was about
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you can absolutely make a character who was formerly a racist fuck-wit sympathetic and compelling, but ONLY if you (the narrative) and they (the character) own the wrong and the growth.
i mean, look, you tell that kind of story in the hopes that life will imitate art, right? there's gotta be a path out of the darkness. you can illuminate that path, but not if you lie about where the journey started. it's only compelling if you own it. don't shy away from the hurt and the sharp edges—cut yourself on them. bleed.
#like idk#stop worrying about being problematic#stop hand-waving away things that happened earlier in a story#because you suddenly realized they're a problem#you can't fix the problem unless you acknowledge there's a problem!!!#anyway the phenomenon of mediocre men who COULD be better#if the people they surrounded themselves with were better#but unfortunately they're forcibly surrounded by utter garbage human beings...#it's well documented#i've seen it#would be cool to see art acknowledge it or whatever#a la my problem with the loki tv show and every marvel movie after phase one#(this is about whatever strange ship war discourse is going down in the copaganda show)#(i'm following it disinterestedly)
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Sol//Ky is one of those ships where I get the appeal of it and why it's an important fandom ship, but I still personally find it mid.
#c's thoughts#ignoring the problematic aspects of it#sol//ky is just so cliched#like 'jeez a yaoi ship where the two characters with opposite personalities hate each other/have a rivalry.#haven't seen that before!'#don't get me wrong#I'm not against these kinds of ships#but it's so dime a dozen in any fandom that I'm just instantly turned off from them#I'm not saying i don't see sol and ky's dynamic#i like their dynamic and understand it#but at the same time#it doesn't make me go i ship it#it makes me go 'cool! but it don't really feel the vibe'#it's like the same way i am witgh sto//ny#yes i understand the appeal of tony and steve's dynamic and why a lot of the marvel fandom ship them together#but i still don't feel the vibe and I'm just chilling in my science bros corner#guilty gear#(though honestly i would take sol//ky than st//ony any other day)
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Just got reminded of how at some point there was whole blogs specifically dedicated to talking about cartoon discourse
#Denizen says a thing#I was a fan of many shows that happened to have big drama but luckily I avoided the drama because I didn't follow many fandom accounts#And also my mutuals are cool and would never reblog steven universe drama#I do believe that should you be able to criticize problematic elements in media but from like one glance at those blogs it was just people#fighting each other about shipping drama or if it's ok to like the mean character
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i know ppl seem to think healthy relationships & clear communication in fiction are "boring" or whatever but considering how much i've been fucked over by people refusing to communicate with me or listen to anything i say i think i deserve to enjoy my little fantasy world where human beings actually have conversations with each other
#'the characters sound like they went to therapy school' cool.#this is literally how i talk to people who i want to have meaningful relationships with#u should try it sometime#idc if you like unhealthy fictional relationships but acting like it HAS to be that way in order to be interesting is obnoxious#the ship and let ship crowd gets real quiet when the ships aren't 'problematic' enough#vent //#ness talks
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