#pro-ship tw

[cozmo-system]

fuck. you.

yeah let’s just ignore real qualified therapists telling trauma victims they can cope without harm via fiction. everyone listen to some random dipshit on pinterest because the TOTALLY know more than anyone with years of education and experience

[locustgirl]

not to be radical or whatever, but i think that maybe calling women and queer people “pedophiles” for fanfiction is actually not the activism you think it is

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Saw a post of an anti saying that they are leaving AO3, as they are too uncomfortable to post their fics there now. The reason? They found out one of their long time readers was a proshipper, despite their fics having proship dni. And how "that includes silent readers too, I don't want you all looking at my content."

My brother in christ, you are posting on the fiction freedom site. The proshipping site. Dnis aren't god damn restraining orders. They are one tool in helping you display your boundaries. It's still on you to enforce your boundaries. You post something publicly, you forfeit your ability to regulate who can view your work. If you're obsessive enough, you can regulate who actually interacts with your work by stalking each person in the kudos list, comments, or bookmarks and then blocking snyone you don't like, but you do not get a say on who may silently read your posts. Not unless you private your work and only show it to specific people.

And if you don’t want proshippers to interact, get off the profic site.

[degensys]

I’ve had to deal with a devastating issue today; and I feel like us Proshippers need to have a conversation really quickly about something very important.

Drawings of real minors in sexual situations should not be created or posted. Ever.

I’ve made that mistake when I was 12, and it still affects me deeply to the point I call myself a CSEM victim because of my stupid and immature decisions. (Actually, if you knew me when I was Destroyalition, you might’ve seen my vent posts about how bad it affected me when I was younger.)

I understand if you’re a selfshipper and want to show your love to your f/o by drawing you guys in romantic situations, but drawings of real kids in those situations are risky. Sexual drawings of that nature are something we should be warning kids not to draw at all. I don’t want anyone else to feel the same pain and grief and anxiety I felt after learning what I drew was harmful and illegal.

Please, be careful. Don’t let adults draw you in sexual situations. Don’t let yourself make a dumb and immature decision. Please stay safe and be careful.

So Minor Proshippers. Listen up. There’s an alternative that is safe to this called creating OC self inserts. Please use those instead to your hearts content. Make sure they don’t look like you though, and please heal.

I just feel like this needs to be specified to the MAXIMUM. I am dearly sorry to everyone who was as immature as I was, and made the same mistake. Take this as a warning, don’t learn the same way I did. Stay safe.

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

literally just saw another “call out” post in my fandom, “this person ships these characters together, they support fucked up things in fiction. moots, unfollow them, they’re disgusting for liking these fictional things 🤢” can we please just. not do this? especially with all that’s going on in the world recently, can we please not try to take away people’s source of comfort? who cares what fictional things a person enjoys? they’re ✨fiction✨. they’re ✨not real✨. you don’t know what battle a person is going through outside of social media. you don’t know if fandom is literally the last source of happiness they have left. you don’t know if fandom is the only thing keeping them alive right now.

ask yourself, is it really worth it? you claim to be “morally superior” by “exposing” people who find comfort in fictional things you deem morally unacceptable. but is it really worth it if your words drove a person into harming themself?

are you really being morally superior by being the reason someone hurts themself?

these characters are fiction. but the person you’re harassing in the name of being morally superior is a real person with real feelings.

if you find something that you don’t like, instead of going out of your way to harass someone, scroll past it, ignore it, mute it, block it. and focus on the things you do enjoy.

with everything that’s going on in the world right now, now is the time we need to keep fandoms safe. they’re the last source of happiness some people have left.

[huntinglove]

Hey you! Your F/O told me to give you some reminders:

[the--queen-of--hell]

Antis say proship people should have their laptop checked to see if they have that "type of porn" in their hard disk- and I think that's ironic. Because it wasn't a famous proshipper who had real CSEM in their laptop. It was a famous antishipper who had it.

Don't pretend proshippers are pedophiles when one of you antiship people is an actual pedophile.

[5typesoftrash]

if you are pro-censorship, you are not my ally. Not in feminism, not in queerness, not in anti-racism. Bad actors aren't going to just censor the things you don't like; they won't stop. Sure, they'll sweep over the explicit incest and pedophilia, but then, just like the fancop teenagers have, they will start stretching those definitions to include everything that they dislike. Calling queer people pedophiles is a textbook example of queer oppression; you don't think conservatives are gonna use that as an excuse to burn books about trans joy and wlw/mlm experiences? Because they will.

If you are pro-censorship, you are not my ally.

[cozmo-system]

imagine being so disconnected from reality you directly compare a sex trafficker to fan writers and artists, go rip off a toenail

[mas0ch1st1cbaby]

The three of them having sex would heal my inner child.

Actually, heal THIS child instead.

[frownyalfred]

Can I get clarification on your pro shipping post? The example you gave was a 20 year old with a 40 year old, and that's "problematic" (not really), but not really what I think of when I hear "pro shipping". Usually it's the shipping of minor/adult or incestuous relationships that I see getting defended. Does being against fictional works/ships that depict pedophilic or incestuous relationships as normal/romantic count as puritanism to you? Do you see the ship of Bruce Wayne/Damian Wayne as a personal preference with no moral implications?

I think there's a huge difference between being personally against something, and wanting to shame others or ban others from reading or writing something. The Puritanism comes from wanting to limit and ostracize others who don't share your beliefs. It comes from believing that your perspective is the only morally right one.

I think there will always be people who want to write or read about ships like that, yeah -- incest, pseudo-incest, everything in between. By moral implications, do you mean for the person interested in the ship? Or do you mean for others? Because I see that concern a lot on here -- this idea that somehow, by wanting to read/write about something, people are either 1) harming others by spreading this morally wrong ship or 2) harming themselves by normalizing the ship, and therefore making it more likely that they'll pursue similar relationships in their real lives.

We don't have much evidence for either of those claims. People have been clutching their pearls and wringing their hands over "morally wrong" books for ages -- and yet, Game of Thrones is still available in every bookstore. Am I a bad or woefully misguided person for having read Lolita in high school? Is a 16 year old reading a Bruce/Damian fic likely to turn around, shrug, and say "guess fucking my Dad is okay now"? Did an entire generation of fans shipping Wincest somehow have lasting, moral effects? I really don't think so. Not at the scale anti-shippers online seem to think, at least.

I think we need to separate how we moralize people from the content that they consume. And acknowledge that shaming and excluding people for wanting to read something doesn't exactly do much to prevent "moral implications." There's also a huge difference between reading a book, and endorsing the ideas/events inside of it. Same things with fics.

Anti-shipping is very appealing to people because it purports to protect people from harm. Until you look a little closer, and you realize that that protection comes at the expense of free expression, creative license, and agency to choose what we personally do and do not consume. And that that protection isn't really airtight out of your anti-shipping discord or tumblr community.

I think the best we can do is let people write and read what they want -- whatever they want, with limited warnings/etc like ao3 employs -- and ensure that those pieces of content are tagged, warned, and displayed accurately. We need to understand that the only control we have is over ourselves, and what we choose personally to consume or not consume.

I don't generally read those fics you mentioned, but I'm not saying they should be banned from ao3. Just because I might possibly think they're wrong or gross doesn't mean I think the person who wrote them is wrong or gross, either. The more we go down that moral slip and slide, like I said in my previous post, the worse off we will all become.

[red-bap330]

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[pro-sipper]

Fiction 100% affects reality

Not in a "seeing bad things portrayed in fiction will make you want to do bad things in real life" way but in a "you saw a fictional ship that upset you and told someone in real life to get raped or kill themselves" way

[littlemissskyblue]

Proselfshippers!! Reblog with your f/os and s/i (or sona) and I'll draw em :D (will edit this post when this is closed!)

Edit: closed! Tysm to everyone who requested, I'll get working on your things right away!

[the-path-to-redemption]

Content Warnings: Suicide Baiting, Misinformation, Mention of CSEM, Incest and Pedophilia

A simple search would also show you that proship has always been about no censorship over fictional content and anti-harassment.

A simple search would also show you that dark topics portrayed in a fictional light is in no way comparable to CSEM or other abusive and exploitative contents.

It's also fucking common sense to not engage with things on the internet that makes you uncomfortable instead of bitching to a bunch of strangers that you cannot differentiate reality from fiction, you stupid fucking cunt.

A simple thing to comprehend is that you do not tell people to fucking kill themselves. I don't care what the reason is, you're a piece of fucking trash for doing so. That is a LIFE you're fucking with, someone's WELL-BEING.

The same fucking thing you're claiming proshippers are constantly jeopardizing.

And the nerve to post this in the tag that you hate. You're a miserable human being, and I hope you learn to be better before the people in your life realized what a sick fuck you are. You and the idiots like you.

Grow a fucking conscience.

[justafi5h]

Applying anti logic to a different situation :

Imagine this: A man goes to his friend's house, waits until she is occupied, walks to the kitchen, and takes a knife from the closed drawer. Later that day, after going home, he uses the knife to murder his roommate. His friend, due to not living near him, doesn't hear anything, but someone else does. Soon he gets found out and tried for murder, but his lawyer uses the excuse "if his friend didn't own a knife in the first place, nobody would have died."

His friend is found guilty.

Obviously this is an awful excuse - the man went out of his way to take the knife, and his friend had no clue about the murder until it was too late. But this is the same string of logic as "darkship content enables abusers into taking advantage of people". If a mentally stable person who knows dark tropes such as abuse are wrong to recreate IRL comes across darkship content and decides to "recreate it" anyway, that is entirely their own fault.