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[sakuraharuno156]

Canonical difference between Sasuke and Naruto in terms of their canon parings - a rant

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DISCLAIMER:

1. There are two caveats that I'll provide at the end with explanations behind them.

2. It will be in parts because i want to provide manga as proof, and Tumblr has a limit of pictures I can add.

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Now to the point

Who is the most important person in life for Naruto and Sasuke?

Let's start with Naruto, because for anyone who has read the series, it's obvious.

For Naruto it's SASUKE.

No doubt. Comparing importance of Sasuke and importance of Hinata in Naruto's mind is laughable. Saying that Hinata is more important - is straight up delusional.

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Naruto, after a thought that someone can try to k*ll Sasuke, even tho he knows Sasuke is stronger than most of the universe:

Devastated. Hyperventilating. Unable to breathe.

Naruto, after thinking he destroyed the WHOLE VILLAGE, every villager, including Hinata:

Sad, sure, not sad enough to check on her, even tho he was in sage mode so he could feel she was literally dying.

Naruto, after seeing Hinata nearly die to the point she had to be hospitalized and felt the effects of it months after:

I'll fight you Neji.

(I'll also like to remind everyone that Naruto did jump at Neji, but not because of Hinata but because he called her a "loser" and said that every looser would stay a loser, which Naruto took personally. Even that whole fight means to Naruto not revenge for Hinata, but a revenge for saying that loser will lose. Read the manga.)

Naruto, after Kabuto just mentioned Sasuke's name:

Sasuke went there on his own will, but just the thought of losing him was too much for Naruto.

Naruto, thinking Hinata died protecting him. The only person that has ever said she loves him, to the person who wants love the most - dead:

Naruto - surprised, terrified even, but not bat shit crazy. He needed Pain to talk shit and say about love causing hatred. Pain had to continue the whole "everyone is gonna die" narrative for Naruto to explode. He can become Kurama in seconds, but he needed Pain to continue - to explode.

And then he didn't even check on her.

Naruto, thinking Sasuke died for him. Without the whole "I love you" stuff. Just a friend protecting him:

Well...

(A reminder, it was when the seal was very strong. Naruto wasn't using so much of Kuramas chakra, so it was WAAAY harder for him to go into Kuramas mode.)

Then Naruto checking on Sasuke (when he was certain that Sasuke died) and crying out of happiness when Sasuke turns out alive

And last but not least, Naruto ready to die with Sasuke. Saying it eith smile on his face. No mention of Hinata even tho it was right after her love confession:

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You can ship NaruHina, but saying that Naruto would chose Hinata over Sasuke is a different level of delusional. The whole plot of the series is that Naruto would do anything for Sasuke. He would k*ll for Sasuke and die for Sasuke.

Sasuke is the most important person in Narutos life. Anyone who says differently has NEVER read the manga or just uses wishful thinking instead 🤷‍♀️

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I would even go further and say that the moment when Naruto was telling Minato about finding love that is not exactly like Kushina - he was talking about Sasuke. But it's not per se canon so I'm gonna keep it out 🤷‍♀️

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Two caveats:

1. They would obviously put their children first - above anyone. So children are beside the point.

2. We are going to base it on canon material only. Anything that wasn't written by Kishimoto is irrelevant. So no, we are not taking novels or movies. It would be too long and it's not canon 🤷‍♀️

[sasucaty]

[sassykinzonline]

dude, when were you guys gonna tell me naruto has a seductive fem clone? and you guys think this is a homophobic cis straight male bootlicker? and the clones are woke?

hes blushing at naked might guy??? HELLO?

[leportraitducadavre]

Alright, since I’ve received multiple asks about who I ship Sasuke with (or if I have a problem with specific ships), I’ll reiterate my posture regarding shipping culture:

I think it’s very poor, borderline shortsighted, to focus so incredibly much on the possibility of a character –that never specified being sexually interested in anyone, having a romantic partner. Besides the fact that Sasuke is a very traumatized man, a survivor of state-sanctioned genocide which affects his libido to the point of it being non-existent, the entirety of his characterization revolves around him seeking justice for his family. No. It’s not about his bond with Naruto, it’s not about his apparent sexual tension with Karin, nor is it about his crush (the fuck?) on Sakura. 

It’s Naruto the one whose characterization revolves around his bond with Sasuke, it’s Karin the one whose characterization revolves around her sexual desire for Sasuke, and it’s Sakura the one whose characterization revolves around her crush on Sasuke –Sasuke’s entire arc differs completely from theirs, as his entire goal, through the entire series, is about seeking justice for his family. 

What happens once Sasuke realizes he won’t be able to kill Itachi if he stays in Konoha? He leaves because he chooses his goal as an Avenger before his connection with Team 7 (yes, Itachi’s presence also reminded him of the imminent threat of having bonds that Itachi could easily destroy, but he doesn’t leave to protect T7, but to seek power to kill his brother). What happens once Sasuke kills Itachi? He learns about the truth behind the UCM, and decides to barge into the Kage Summit to kill Danzo and not return to Konoha. What happens once he kills Danzö? He still decides not to return and plans to bring the entire system down. I mean, where is his “bond with Naruto” in all this? Where is his “sexual tension” with Karin in all of this? Where is Sakura’s relevance in all of this? At no single moment does he focus on these bonds, often questioning the reason why these people are so adamant about pursuing him. Am I saying that they don’t matter at all to him? No, and you know that’s not the point of the post unless you’re looking for a reason to get upset in which case, I cannot help you. What I’m saying is that they’re not relevant to his main goal or characterization, as that power rests upon Itachi’s shoulders. Each character here mentioned has either more or less importance throughout his journey, but none of them are detrimental to his objective and none of them are important enough for him throughout the manga to deviate from his ambition (he even tried to kill each one of them when he deemed them a liability or they threatened the continuation of his mission).

Who do I ship Sasuke with? Nobody, I don’t enjoy a single pairing that is attributed to him, and I wish the fandom would realize that the entire plot revolves around the actions and consequences of a fascist regime, and not about who wanted to secretly or not so secretly fuck who, or who deserve his dick and who doesn’t. Yes, I’m being blunt, and some of you will think I’m exaggerating, but if you don’t see me talking about ships as often as you see me speaking about feminism or politics inside the Naruto manga, well, what a shocker, there’s a reason for it.

And to prevent people from putting words in my mouth, let me say this: I’m not saying you can’t enjoy a ship –go crazy if that’s what you want, do art, fanfics, and whatever rocks your boat, I won’t go after you trust me, but oh my god how come some of you would give a “potential romantic couple” so much more relevance than the actual plot?! Sasuke plainly and continuously reminds the characters and the readers what his true goal is and what he wants, and still, some of you will force a deep reading of a bubble of speech detached from his overall characterization to prove that he was smitten with x,y,z all along!

[water-petal]

something both sns and si shippers agree on? i hope so-

🍥🍅

🌸🌼

[desperatelypraying4ananeurysm]

Loving you can't be wrong, right? (SNS Two-shot)

Before I start with the fic description, I'd like to express my gratitude towards everyone who reblogged or liked my previous writing posts. It really helps as a new content creator/tumblr account in terms of motivation and making the writing process more enjoyable overall.

Thank you; I seriously appreciate it.

Anyway, please take into consideration the warnings before continuing, for your own comfort.

Summary: This fic is set in Konoha after the final VoTE battle. It covers one (of many) of my interpretations of what happened between Naruto and Sasuke before he left on his 'atonement' journey, while Sasuke is recovering in the hospital. Told from Sasuke's POV. Will be posted in two parts, because it's LONG.

CONTENT WARNING: This post goes into themes of mild gore involving the Uchiha massacre and suicidal thoughts/intentions (albeit briefly and not in excessive detail). Angst.

Also potentially inaccurate descriptions of canon events and the shinobi system (I haven't actually finished Shippuden yet, anime or manga, but know enough about the plot).

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Naruto had been strangely avoidant ever since they had settled their fight in the Final Valley.

Sasuke knew he was busy visiting the other villages, forming alliances and helping in the restoration efforts following the War.

Still, it had never been this...detached between them.

Even when they had been on opposing sides, they had exchanged altercations or physical violence, looks of recognition at the minimum, but never this.

Never did Naruto avoid eye contact and purse his lips as he tilted his head away. Never did he look like he'd rather be anywhere other than the same room as Sasuke.

Maybe he was mad at him.

Sasuke was too emotionally exhausted at this point to deny how much the possibility of that tugged on his heart.

"Sasuke!", Sakura's voice cut through the suffocating silence. It sounded out of place, much too cheery for the palpable tension in the room.

"We just wanted to come and see how you were doing", she walked over to the hospital nightstand and placed down the bouquet and fruit basket she held in her arms.

"I brought some flowers! I was thinking they could help brighten this place up", she continued, her hands clasped behind her back as she gazed up at him with a smile.

His brow twitched.

"That's...", he thought for a second. "Considerate of you. Thank you."

She beamed, a faint blush dusting her cheeks.

Just then, the door opened and Kakashi stepped in.

He was wearing his hokage robes, the hat tilted over his eyes so that, added with the face mask, his visage was almost entirely invisible.

"Hello Sasuke", he took off the hat in favor of showing his crescent shaped eye as he smiled.

Sasuke wished he'd put the hat back on.

"How have you been?"

Repressing the urge to give an incredulous laugh at the attempted small talk, Sasuke chose to reply with a terse, "Fine."

"I hope the hospital staff is refraining from any...inappropriate behavior?" the hokage inquired.

Sasuke stared past his former sensei, his gaze fixated on a stain on the wall behind him instead.

He'd had about three nurses who 'accidentally' forget to provide him pain killers for his arm, so he had been lying awake at night, alternating between having nightmares and curling in on himself from crippling pain.

"Yes."

"Good", Kakashi replied. "Everyone has lost loved ones recently, because of the War. It would be expected if they chose to act in violence due to their grief and resentment."

Naruto lifted his gaze from the floor when he heard that last part, glaring daggers at Kakashi's back before he caught Sasuke's eyes and quickly turned away again.

When Kakashi asked the next question, his eyes hardened despite the smile still plastered under his mask.

"I'm sure you haven't been inconsiderate while coping with your own grief, correct?"

There it was. The real reason he had come here. To make sure Sasuke wasn't the one misbehaving, going around terrorizing the innocent people of Konoha.

Sasuke had to fight down his sneer.

"KAKASHI SENSEI!" For the first time since entering the room, Naruto made his presence known.

"The fuck are you trying to say? Sasuke would never take out his anger on anyone who didn't deserve it and you know—"

"I'm coping fine, thanks", Sasuke bit out.

Naruto snapped his mouth shut, finally directing his eyes onto him.

Sasuke tryed not to feel remorse when Naruto said in a wounded voice, "I was just trying to defend you."

"I can defend myself perfectly fine, thanks."

Sasuke knew he was being unfairly confrontational, but the truth was he was hurt. Naruto hadn't come to visit him once since they'd been admitted into the hospital after blowing their arms off.

The four of them just stood there in silence after that outburst, the awkwardness only escalating as Sasuke and Naruto stared each other down.

Sakura cleared her throat.

"Um", she glanced nervously between the two of them, stepping in front of Sasuke, effectively blocking Naruto from his line of sight.

"Why don't I apply a muscle retention jutsu on your arm, Sasuke?" She reached forward to undo the bandages, one of her hands infused with green chakra.

"No", he responded, moving his stump away.

He didn't try pretending to be civilized anymore. He wished they'd all just go away. Especially Naruto.

Ironically, a small part of Sasuke wished he could take that last part back, because not a second later Naruto said;

"You should let her do the jutsu. It really helps with the night pains. You look like you could use some sleep."

Then he walked out the room, slamming the door behind him.

Sasuke let Sakura apply the jutsu.

. . .

Sasuke lay in his cot, staring up at the ceiling fan as it listlessly revolved, not providing anything other than a dull hum.

He had just woken up screaming from a nightmare. No medical staff came to check up on him, maybe because they didn't hear, but Sasuke knew they just didn't care.

It had been one he hadn't had since he was a little kid.

Itachi was standing over the sitting forms of their parents in the living room of their childhood home, katana angled back as he prepared to kill them.

Except in this version, there were tears streaking down his face as he continuously sobbed 'sorry' in a choked voice, looking directly at Sasuke.

He had squeezed his eyes shut, one last strangled apology escaping his mouth, as he plunged the sword down and drove it through their parents guts.

Blood splattered the wooden floor and sprayed across Sasuke's face as he screamed his voice raw, crying himself now, begging Itachi to stop as he kept stabbing their parents to death.

Out of every nightmare he had ever had, this version was the most agonizing. It was easier to hate his brother when he believed he had been indifferent to committing the slaughter, than knowing how much it had tortured him too.

Sasuke got up and walked towards the window, pulling back the curtains to allow the silvery moonlight to engulf the room, and the cold wind hit his sweaty face.

He shivered.

The partially ruined landscape of Konoha stretched out below him, trees uprooted and building foundations crushed by the recent attacks on the village.

A pang of guilt went through Sasuke's stomach as he thought of all the civilians who had died in the crossfire. He knew it wasn't his fault, but that didn't change the fact that people who had nothing to do with the conflict were killed. People with loved ones; people with families.

His guilt was replaced with a hot coil of rage deep inside him as he thought about how the village authorities didn't give a fuck about the average population. They were only concerned with what they all had to offer as ninjas and how they could contribute to the shinobi system.

Peoples' lives had never been their priority.

Suddenly, Sasuke wondered what it would be like to jump out the window.

He would stand on the ledge, with his back facing the village as he closed his eyes and fell back, letting gravity pull him down as he looked up at the moon and the stars.

Maybe then, without the village and the Elders, the people and the responsibilities, the useless chatter and empty words, everything would finally be quiet.

Maybe then, without the rest of the world to interrupt them, it could finally be just him and—

"SASUKE!"

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my assumption is that,

naruto used to feel hinata and went on a date and had sex, lead family life with children & hinata

but fell out of that passionate feelings

remained just love and companionship as a father and to the partner who is mother of his children, that's their connection became like that after few years of himawari's birth

but sakura forced sasuke into one night stand willingly and had sarada in hideout but sasuke left, sasuke did give sakura place in his life and promised will return till then asked to wait by that forehead tap and next time dialogue and thanks her for her devotion but sakura crossed the boundary and didn't respect his wish by forcefully causing one night stand when he wasn't even ready for sexual relation so some tricky way of sakura like how she fit her photo over karin photo,

then forcefully chasing after him when sasuke refused bc of her pregnancy and he left on a kaguya mission, sakura gave birth in karin hideout but i am sure sasuke wasn't there when sarada was born that's why they don't have at least one photo with sasuke but sakura and sarada have tons alone and together.

Sasuke wasn't ready to be in a sexual and parental relation bc of journey at that time, sakura forced herself onto him sexually and made him a father who was unwilling or not prepared at that time that's why sasuke didn't maintain communication with sarada and sakura but with naruto only and why sakura so tensed throughout the gaiden and secretive,

but sarada's plea and wanting o be loved by father reconsider his decision to stay away from his family in gaiden and he now pretending to be a couple with sakura in front of sarada for her sake and trying best to be loving and protective father to sarada but his marriage with sakura loveless and only sarada connected them and he always on mission but he always feels different around naruto,

a warm and passionate feelings with naruto joking and laughing and he felt like dying when naruto in danger, naruto feels the same warm and passionate feeling around sasuke even after years, which he also used to feel around hinata and children but died out soon now after few years of himawari's birth, with only sasuke remains that's why he gets positive and full of life and forget about work when he hears sasuke is near or sasuke's hawk sent message,

naruto's love for boruto parental love remains strong

sasuke's love for sarada parental love has bloomed and trying hardest to improve

sasuke's love for sakura is that she is part of the family and hardworking and well wisher like kakashi and grateful to her for taking care sarada and that's all he doesn't feel deep about sakura, just he is grateful for sakura being in the family and as sarada's mother as a capable and strong mother,

naruto's love for hinata has become like sasuke's love for sakura when naruto fell out of that warm and romantic feelings to hinata after years of himawari, just like sasuke he feels now grateful for hinata being in his life as children mother but that passionate feelings don't exist anymore between them

and sasuke and sakura had no so such feelings among them just that sakura desperately forced herself on sasuke before their relation can bloom like naruhina but sakura's desperation destroyed that development and it never went to that blooming stage rather only survived because of sarada's existence that sasuke ready to accept her and grateful for her as sarada's mother and taking care him and sarada in the family currently

but naruto and sasuke still feel after years after years that warm and passionate feelings for each other that's why sasuke smiles near naruto when he doesn't near anyone except sarada or his calm face becomes terrified when naruto is in big danger( but very calm face when sakura is in danger even in gaiden)

and naruto who wanted to ditch his duties or anything if it means to meet sasuke and to be near sasuke( he doesn't even sleep with hinata in same bed only eats together with children)

i don't know how to characterized what that warm and passionate feelings of narusasu is?

whether you think it's platonic soulmate or romantic with semi physical intimacy(not sexual at all but touches more deeply and affectionately. than towards their wives) or confusing deep brotherhood or deep mutual friendship for life .

[oxydiane]

kishimoto is writing boruto now and sasuke lost his rinnegan and kurama somehow died so knowing him he’s gonna have sns die in each other’s arms and then end with something like you were always my one and only you were the most important goal i could achieve you were my other half i spent half of my life watching you from afar wishing i could hold your hand and walk by your side instead of behind you and now that we had the chance to walk together it is being taken away but it does not pain me because i know we’ll meet each other in a different life where we’ll be free of our burdens because you’re my most precious…………………………….. FRIEND

[sasukeharuno12]

maturing is realizing that Sasuke actually loves Sakura and he's not in love with Naruto, his brother figure.

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"He knew revenge was Sasuke's goal yet still accepted him as his student. Even teaching him his signature technique. Sasuke fought Naruto out of anger, not a friendly sparring match .Kakashi was helping Sasuke with revenge til it consumed him to the point he was fighting his own comrades."

1. i think it's an overstrech to say kakashi "accepted" sasukes revenge , when through most of it  he was just indifferent to the idea of his revenge(on introduction, he doesnt care that sasuke's main goal in life is revenge) and kakashi helped shikamaru with his revenge , so I preassume ,revenge isnt something kakashi is inherently against so there is no “accepting” sasuke for a different belief like you paint it out to be . although he never backs on using his goal pf revenge (and feelings for his dead clan) as baits for mocking him when he couldnt match up his expectations (land of waves arc) .

2." Even teaching him his signature technique”?

i mean what was he supposed to do ? send him unequipped to the most brutal round 2 contender(-GAARA who whooped 4 gates lee to the point he couldnt be a shinobi again), why does kakashi doing his basic teacher duties make you gape in awe , a lot of fandom whines he didnt taught it to naruto or sakura (never minding neither of them could EVER use chidori properly since they lack sharingan)  and sakura wasnt even finalized for round 2 . never mind how brutal it was of kakashi to make a severly bed ridden sasuke(who was unfit to EVEN WALK-medical attendant’s words) participate in the match further despite the hokage’s and anko’s (who alone knew what it was like to have a curse mark placed on you) advice and call him to learn the technique when medically ,he was severaly hurt . 

and finally- wtf does it have to do with his stance on sasuke's revenge.

3."Sasuke fought Naruto out of anger.."

oh and since kakashi is omnipotent and  he knew it ? only sakura heard the discourse between the boys so this point of yours ends before its started

and when does fighting being motivated by anger (after just awakening from your deathbed btw) is suffiecient to negate the purpose of someone's lifes -especially sasuke’s for which he was ready to sell his soul and body-to get some semblence of justice for his family, remember  lee attacked sasuke brutally for no reason but to “prove himself” , insulted his clan and even when he had an upper hand in match he was about to use a forbidden technique just to hurt sasuke more .-even when lee is reprimended by gai, gai doesnt negate his life’s purpose - for which lee worked so hard , and even in their battle before sasuke CHALLENGED naruto, he didnt attack him , he only bellitles him (as a cope ,after he is traumatised by his brother for a whole day, humiliated  and almost killed) it is naruto who ACCEPTS the challenge and gets petty never minding the condition of sasuke, it is NARUTO who get ready to pull a rasengan on his “best” friend despite his “bff”, when sasuke had just woken up( from life threatening coma and mental scarring that 1 complete day of torture can give a 13 year old along with being beaten and humiliated )   , naruto getting all riled up -although mind you he first hand witnessed what happened to sasuke , he heard sasuke's screams and the brothers' "interaction" firsthand , neither sakura nor kakashi saw it firsthand , he gets all riled up as his friend just woke from coma like the hyper insecure twat he is -although he couldve refused ? if he possessed any sympathy or empathy for the boy that is even a 13 year old and no one, for a boy he claimed to be his "friend". neither jiraiya nor kakashi reprimands him but anyways ,

4.sasuke pulled a chidori? so , like i said before naruto pulled out his strongest move first what do you expect  sasuke to do ?  beg him to draw out the rasengan ? it is only not only fair for him to have used chidori but actually very obvious, never minding the rasengan was more POTENT than the chidori he used and wouldve hurt HIM regardless. reiterating it again naruto would have severely hurt hurt his friend when his friend is unwell, was brutally tortured and beaten in front of him and just woke up from a coma form which his death was almost certain, just because he is an insecure twat.

so much for love and friendship

[sasucaty]

currently thinkin about how menma from naruto rtn movie is literally sns lovechild🎀

and he's way better looking than 'canon' couples fugly ass kids in boruto!!

[sassykinzonline]

anyways lets talk about the actual real problem with boruto aka the massive retcon and plothole that is the heterosexual marriages.

in the original manga its already established that iruka + itachi serve as the platonic foundation of sasunaru: the imperfection of these important bonds highlight the necessity of both boys to each other. iruka tries to accept despite inhumanity and inability to contribute to strength. itachi emphasizes weakness and dehumanizes, but accepts regardless. this is the key significance in the confessions: they make explicit reference to unconditional observation of strength and humanity to each other. these imperfect platonic foundations serve as the lifeline that allows for further "perfect" love to be explored and understood.

so it doesnt make sense that in boruto with 0 explanation whatsoever (this is even accounting for the light novels), sasunaru becomes the "platform" for the relationship for the suddenly more important relationships with the wives. why? if you have an exclusively perfect relationship, youre not gonna look for another. moreover, ideas like "you acknowledged me more than anyone else" and "i cant lose you" and "you alone make me feel less alone" and "only you make my life worth living, only you bring me light" and "you are my prayer and my hope for the future" are randomly attributed to women who were explicitly told the opposite. in those same light novels, sasunaru becomes a relationship exclusively of conflict/desire for space and distance, but in the boruto manga they cant stay away from each other while scorning their wives.

total actual clusterfuck, the character assassination of sasuke and naruto by that point is entirely secondary and becomes borderline understandable when you consider key values and themes are totally abandoned to give way to these couplings.

[leportraitducadavre]

Naruto re-read XXVII

Chapters covered: 218 - 226 Twentyfifth Volume of the manga

Site used: https://manga4life.com/manga/Naruto (VIZ translation of the manga)

Disclaimer: This is intended as a list and simple observations of the topics that particularly interested me in the aforementioned chapters, in that sense, do not expect a linear -or totally deep- analysis.

Tumblr’s update doesn’t allow me to attach more than 10 pictures, therefore, all of them will be LINKED. Apologies.

319) “This time is you, huh?” (x). Sasuke’s question is linked directly to Sakura’s attempt to stop him, which Naruto associates with on his own; furthermore, the more he remembers Sakura’s distress the more upset he gets (x, x), as he remembers their most significant times together. Finally, he remembers Sasuke’s words regarding not wanting to let his precious comrades die (x), which solidifies Naruto’s idea that they all share an emotional bond between them, which Sasuke is willingly leaving behind (x).

320) “Chöji, Neji, Kiba, Shikamaru, and bushy brows… they risked their lives for you…” (x) This is, technically, incorrect, and I’ll allow myself to quote a phrase from a future post I’ll be posting shortly:

Once Sasuke leaves Konoha, he’s “followed” by Shikamaru and his newly formed squad (you can see an analysis about sexism here), and in chapter 202, we find this phrase uttered by the leader: “I should place more value on the lives of my teammates instead of the person abducted by the enemy (...) besides abandoning a teammate to protect yourself? There’s no one in my squad like that.” (x, x). However, Shikamaru is lying, both to himself and Tayuya. Sasuke wasn’t abducted, he left of his own volition (x). Shikamaru isn’t risking his life to save a kidnapped comrade, he’s risking his life so Orochimaru wouldn’t have the last Uchiha descendent by his side, which is proved by the way Tsunade references Sasuke’s deflection and Orochimaru’s “attempt to have the power of the Uchiha” (here); he’s protecting more Konoha’s possession of the last Sharingan user than Sasuke himself. 

Sure, he does have a sense of duty in lieu of Sasuke being a comrade and it wouldn’t be weird for them to think that Sasuke was forced into accepting Orochimaru’s help as Tsunade is incapable of replying to Shikamaru’s question (she isn’t even sure of the answer as nor Kakashi or Jiraiya spoke to her about their suspicions); yet what interests us here is the weight that surrounds the use of the word “save” as it’s likely more for the children’s benefit to put them under a “savior” mindset in order to build their sense of duty and the imperative necessity of bringing Sasuke back; as it’s also likely that they gave sense to Sasuke’s escape by attributing it to kidnapping since they cannot conceive one of them deflecting. Here, the savior complex shifts, as we learn that it isn’t an individualistic ethos that it’s solely linked to Naruto’s character due to his background (it’s simply far more visible in his case), but it’s a learned mindset (un)consciously taught to ensure loyalty and obedience (“I’m not the bad guy, I’m saving you”; “this if for your own good!”; etc); it’s not really different to how real-life soldiers are told to perceive themselves.

321) “Does Konoha mean nothing to you?!” (x)

Peak perfection in the sense of the nationalistic mindset Naruto has been constructing during the whole first portion of the manga, here, Naruto’s sparkles of revolutionary interests are crushed –and I mean, they were never bright to begin with. He never questioned Konoha’s importance but rather Konoha’s structure when it presented challenges or preconceptions of his nature as Jinchuuriki that he needed to overcome or modify, as they did in Wave where he refused to become “just” a tool like Haku was (x), as a tool doesn’t need nor deserves recognition; which he craves. Here, the nationalistic mindset of Kakashi (which I’ll be posting soon I swear), gets reflected upon the student, as Naruto internalized the Will of Fire and exposes it (and rather clearly) here: He’s thinking of Sasuke abandoning him and Team 7, which is the primary fuel in his quest and hurt, he barely mentions the team that Shikamaru gathered (per Tsunade’s orders) to bring him back; these are individuals that put their life on the line to “rescue” him, yet Sasuke cares not. Naruto’s words are not a coincidence, he never states that they’re Sasuke’s friends (they aren’t, they never interacted in a significant way), the only thing they have in common is their village of origin and loyalty. For Naruto, that’s enough for a bond, for Sasuke, it isn’t.

Sasuke himself put no one in danger, as he fought nor hurt anyone, it was Tsunade who sent inexperienced gënin to search Sasuke in order not to give Orochimaru the “Uchiha’s power”, Sasuke deflecting put no one in any immediate danger as he was, at most, to be killed and possessed by Orochimaru (which, alright, can be argued his body might have been used to destroy Konoha later on –despite Orochimaru being quite capable of doing so prior to having Sasuke’s body as well, so him having or not Sasuke isn’t detrimental for possible retaliation from the Sannin) which, as he states, isn’t important (x).

322) Contrary to what people think of me, I do believe that this specific claim: “You think I’m just gonna let you go?!” which is the culmination of Naruto’s speech about how Orochimaru will grant him power in exchange for his life (x) is understandable as Naruto is both hurt by Sasuke abandoning them and scared for his friend’s life (Sasuke is even leaving despite being aware that he’ll be likely killed, which is quite worse as not only Naruto feels pain in lieu of his only friend escaping, but also him leaving to certain death). Naruto’s primary knowledge about Sasuke’s goal (killing Itachi) is that he’s willing to die for it (x) that, in regards to Naruto’s own goal, it’s unfathomable –as death is not one of the lengths Naruto is prepared to go through in order to get the acknowledgment he seeks. Furthermore, Sasuke’s death will automatically jeopardize his own objective, as Sasuke’s recognition is the one Naruto craves the most (here and here Naruto remembers Sasuke denying Naruto the equal status he wants, and Sasuke once again refuses: “Who cares what you want?”). Naruto, however, fails to understand Sasuke’s reasoning, and in doing so -at least by the end of this specific volume, he fails also to ask Sasuke if he can help him to achieve his goal (x), as he’s solely focusing on Sasuke’s current actions (leaving to go to Orochimaru) rather than Sasuke’s true ambition (becoming stronger to defeat Itachi).

323) I’ve spoken about Sasuke’s reasons for deflecting a little bit before, but here’s the gist of it: one and two. Not only do we get insight into how Sasuke considers Konoha’s shinobi to be weak, as Orochimaru (like Naruto states) killed their supposedly most powerful one, but also he found that he acknowledges that his strength dwelled as he formed bonds with those inside Team 7; and since once “accepting” Orochimaru’s seal (in the sense of exploiting its benefits as the Sound Four and not denying it as Anko did, since that seal was forced upon him) he became far stronger than before, being able to punch Naruto quite easily, his decisions get cemented (x).

Jiraiya stands there with a disappointed look, yet neither Kakashi nor he reprimands Naruto as Kakashi reprimanded Sasuke. Naruto’s desire is, first and foremost, to be recognized by Sasuke -which is the reason why he chases him; while Sasuke doesn’t allow himself to recognize Naruto, as in doing so he’ll acknowledge his (self-perceived) failure. What Kakashi doesn’t know -but we do, is that the core of Sasuke’s questioning doesn’t come just from Naruto’s growth, but rather the perception of him being left behind after becoming “too soft”. This is: he was just fine during the first stages of Team 7, excelling in every field, but after his sacrifice to save Naruto back in Wave Arc -and his growing feelings towards his comrades, he started “halting” in his growth, which is why he believes that Itachi’s dogma is correct.

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“My dream isn’t in the future, my dream is rooted only in the past.” (x) –and since his dream has nothing to do with his future, he doesn’t care what happens to him after his goal is reached. Since Naruto’s whole dreams rely on him becoming Hokage (future), he can’t die. Here, we have the same dichotomy once again: Future bonds vs. Past bonds – Naruto vs. Sasuke.

Chapter 220 is called “Brothers”, a total of five entire chapters are dedicated to Sasuke and Itachi’s bond and their respective relationships with their father –this holds immense weight in the narrative as it’s made to throw light on which bonds and past Sasuke is choosing above Team 7.

324) Precious small baby (x)

325) “Our ancestors organized and founded the police force.” (x). Either Itachi is lying, or they taught a different story from what actually happened, as it’s canonically mentioned that it was Tobirama who founded the police force and gave it to the Uchiha clan. Furthermore, Sasuke’s first dream was to join the Police Force and be like his father (x) –I personally detest the fandom that paints Fugaku as abusive and evil towards Sasuke as if Sasuke didn’t love him and wanted to get his praise, he loved Itachi, he also admired him, yes; but Sasuke wanted to be like Fugaku, he wanted his father’s recognition (x, x).

I understand why Fugaku not attending Sasuke’s Entrance Ceremony to the Academy is seen as cruel (I mean, to me is far crueler to send twelve-year-olds into war-like scenarios, but who am I to judge?), yet Fugaku isn’t only Sasuke’s father, but also the clan’s leader (x), and since the clan decided the coup already, he had to move in concordance with the people’s wish. Furthermore, if the coup is envisioned enough to put Itachi inside ANBU, then why would Fugaku care for Konoha’s bureaucratic structure (the Academy included) if he deemed all of it to be constructed under a mindset he considered oppressive? (even Mikoto spell this for you lot)

Sasuke is constantly compared to his brother (x), who is deemed a gifted child (x). So much so, that he trains all day until night (x) –he’s naturally gifted, I won’t lie, but he trained hard to achieve praise.

326) Shisui was the best at teleportation (x).

327) It’s hilarious how Itachi accuses the Uchiha of being narcissistic and arrogant when they cling to their clan instead of their nation (and this is a direct continuation of his speech to Sasuke when he said that the strongest are isolated and become arrogant), yet he’s performing the exact same thing, as he too is narcissistic (as he thinks he’s not only physically superior but also smarter as he was able to “free himself from the clan’s chains”) and arrogant, he states that the clan “fears what they don’t understand” as if the bureaucratic system for which they’re considering uprising is not making it apparent their distrust and distaste for Uchiha since the village’s foundation. 

And while this might be an act in order to sell the idea that he became “power hungry” for Sasuke later on (x), it’s never canonically mentioned as such –furthermore, this could’ve been taken as an admission of betrayal (x) while at the same time, is pure idiocy: “Obsessing over wordless things like a clan (…) you can’t achieve real change as long as you’re bound by regulations and restrictions”, he claims, yet he’s bound to Konoha’s regulations and restrictions. If this is Itachi trying to be “smarter” than his peers, then he failed miserably, furthermore, is beyond stupid as he’s contradicting the dogma he actually upholds; one can easily use this same argument to defend their clan rather than Konoha for, as we saw previously (point 321), the only connection Sasuke has with most members of Shikamaru’s squad is that all of them are from Konoha, so why this bunch matters and why Uchiha’s do not?

WoF relies on the notion that their soldiers are expected to die for someone or something they don’t know or don’t especially care for under the premise that they were born and/or inhabit the same geographical space, yet that same mindset (albeit with minor tweaks) when used by a clan is frowned upon (CoH) –as dying in lieu of those born inside the confinements of your family or in lieu of obtaining something that’ll benefit your clan isn’t viewed as positively, somehow. 

What are the parameters to establish one is inherently good and the other one inherently bad? Uchiha detractors keep saying that Uchiha were jeopardizing Konoha’s stability and threatening “innocent lives” yet I can’t imagine something that will put it in such a grand-scale problem as their most powerful clan vanishing from one day to the next, innocent children amongst them. Furthermore, those same people that were killed were the ones that controlled and “monopolized” the Police Force, so not only Konoha had to deal with potential invaders that might consider not having to fight the Sharingan enticing enough to strike (yet somehow didn’t, hilarious, the threat of invasion is always present yet never materializes), but also internal struggles, as there still are, apparently, shinobi that commit crimes (which Itachi claims were so important they put an entire clan to survey them yet the moment Uchiha disappear so does vandalism who would have thought?).

“Those inconsistencies are Kishimoto’s fault!”

No. They’re not, I’m not as good to explain so I shall use @persephone-falling-into-darkness's post in order to convey why the issue isn’t as much Kishimoto’s writing but rather the system on which it is based:

WoF entails bearing hardship through cooperation, right to the bloody end, and quite idiosyncratically for the sake of the village at that. As Hashirama lightly puts it, shinobi are just people who endure to reach an end goal.

This new dogma is based on fascist gnosis and is meant to be syncretistic by definition. In this sense, "Syncretism" isn't to be interpreted as the mere combination of different forms of beliefs or practices; such a combination must tolerate contradictions.

Every Konoha shinobi blessed with the Will of Fire must love, believe, treasure, obey and battle to safeguard the village, as prior generations had done before them. The entire village must be perceived as one, like an extended family that transcends blood and clan…

All these catchphrasey axioms do contain a germ of wisdom, but when they clash with the other facets that permeate Konoha's ideology, producing oxymoronicity, it's only because they all allude, allegorically, to some primitive truth.

It doesn't matter that Leaf's horrific expansionist endeavours sacrifice countless children in the process, despite Tobirama's fervent emphasis on how striplings must be adamantly protected as they're destined to be the successors of WoF, because fascism incorporates incongruous and conflicting edicts by definition!

As a consequence, there can be no advancement nor development in the village's testament. The truth has already been announced once and for all, and shinobi can only continue to interpret its obscure message: with an impoverished vocabulary and limited instruments for complex and critical reasoning, shinobi can never challenge the status quo. There is only one acceptable language, and it's rooted in reverence of the village.

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328) In every chapter around Sasuke’s bonds with his family (Itachi, Fugaku, and the clan) there’s a Crescent Moon (symbol of Indra - the Uchiha) x, x, x. Itachi (embracing WoF) killed his clan during a full moon (symbol of Ashura and the Will of Fire) -@fucktobirama made a post about it, I link it here.

329) Didn’t that Itachi Shinden, that awfully written thing say that Fugaku had the Mangekyou? Well, he doesn’t, here.

330) This motherfucker showed a child the death of hundreds (their parents amongst them) and people still use him as a moral parameter, you’re all insane. (x)

Fuck him (x)

331) Can you imagine what would’ve happened if Sasuke actually followed through with this? Even if that child wasn’t, you know, the nine tails jinchuuriki, Sasuke would’ve committed treason still. Why would he say this? Why wouldn’t he challenge Sasuke and go? Why did he have to add this stupid phrase if it put Sasuke in a similar type of danger to the one he was “trying” to get him away from? If he wanted Sasuke to obtain the MS… why did he lie? He knew he didn’t obtain the MS as he claimed he did, so why would he freaking do that? And I mean, Sasuke just saw you massacre his clan, your point about being “bad” and going “crazy” got across just fine already, you don’t have to lie to your brother thinking that he might do the opposite because there’s a fifty-fifty chance he’ll do as you say you stupid fuck! (x, x)

332) Sasuke had to wash his parent’s blood from the floor (x).

333) “In the Nanako shrine’s main hall… under the seventh Tatami mat from the far right, there’s a clan meeting place. There’s a reason why Uchiha have ocular jutsu… the truth is written there.” (x) Itachi is referring to the stone found by Madara (and manipulated by Zetsu, who changed its original meaning).

334) Children, that are shown to have no specific clan, know about the massacre and Sasuke being the only survivor (x); which means that Team 7 in itself (perhaps not Naruto, as he has no way to learn this information unless he hears it from someone else on accident) know about Sasuke being an orphan.

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Yes, yes, yes to all of this 👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼 I’m looking at you SasuNaruSasu 😬 Naruto and Sasuke have wayyy more chemistry than they do with Hinata or Sakura whom they both canonically marry. Even in Boruto, SasuNaru spend more time together than with their families and it’s cruel to their wives. Canon would have been better off putting them together (after Sasuke gets some major therapy).

Hinata’s entire personality is Naruto even though she has awesome abilities and a heartbreaking backstory that could have been explored more to have her come into her strength of her own accord. Instead her entire screen time hinges on her obsession with Naruto. She and her sister and Neji could have banded together to take down her father and do away with the branch family and their awful seals. Even if Hinata didn’t want to lead the clan her character could have had so much influence and done so much more then we are given. They could have made Neji the head of the clan. It would be a full circle moment for the three of them to escape their so called “fates” and rewrite the story for their people. Instead Neji dies for the sake of her and Naruto getting together. His sacrifice was wasted. He only escapes the seal in death which means he had never escaped fate at all.

My girl Sakura is the only member of Team 7 with ZERO backstory- nothing about her family, barely anything else bar the whole Ino fight in the chunin exams. She becomes Tsuna’s apprentice and is a baller medic and fighter but she only gets one awesome fight and her personality still hinges on her love for Sasuke. It would have been cool to see her grow past the obsessive little girl crush and love and care for Sasuke as a teammate. He had done so much wrong to her and the rest of the team and all of it just gets swept under the rug. Sasuke leaves right after being exonerated and Sakura just waits. And waits. For him to come back and they get married. The relationship gets no development and neither party matures enough to be together.

I write mostly KakaSaku and I always struggle to write Sakura’s perspective over Kakashi’s. And it’s this reason. Kakashi has a fully fleshed out and complicated backstory and past and so much growth as a character. Sakura is nearly a clean slate which can be fun but it’s also overwhelming cause I have to add more to her because canon was lacking. She deserved more. All the female characters in Shonen deserve more.

This is not hate on NaruHina or SasuSaku or any other ship. I am 💯 pro ship whether that ship is canon or not. This is criticism of a much bigger issue where females get left out of complexities in writing. Or left out of writing in general.

It just kills me when writers create franchises where like 95% of the speaking roles are male, then get morally offended that all of the popular ships are gay. It’s like, what did they expect?

[desperatelypraying4ananeurysm]

I'm a Sasusaku shipper?!

I did something that I wouldn't be proud of...

If it wasn't fucking hilarious.

You see, a while back, a made a satire post posing as a Sasusaku shipper, which I had targeted towards other SNS shippers. It was just a harmless post for fun; an idea I wanted to vent.

But then I noticed that there were people, actual SS shippers, who thought I was serious. And that got me thinking: "Are they actually dumb?"

Because I know a lot of people, me included, make jokes about their 'lack of reading comprehension' and 'inability to read', but.

My GODS.

The fact that they couldn't recognize a clearly sarcastic post making fun of their own ship...I was almost offended because either I sucked at satire, or they just have the perception of a raccoon's ballsack. (For the sake of the argument, and my ego, I am assuming the latter.)

Now that the context has been given, let me explain what I did.

Basically, I re-posted the original post, but tagged it with SS and Sakura tags (avoided using Sasuke tags 'cause I thought that group might see through the guise). Combined with the original, I got around twenty or something likes.

From real Sasusaku shippers.

I even got some comments from people who were like, "Don't pay attention to the fishcake-tomato people. They're delusional!" (talk about irony).

Anyway, I'm leaving the post up because every couple of days or so, I get one more like on it, and I'm curious to see how long this'll last until I get called out.

I'll update on it if something interesting happens.

P.S: this is the original post, this is the experiment, and this was an attempt to promote it further (low-key didn't work, because I didn't realize you could see my SNS posts if you scrolled down from the link I included. Did get some amusing comments though).

[never-mess-with-the-uchihas]

Me: Sasuke loves Team 7... He loves and always loved Naruto,Sakura and Kakashi...

Antis: No way!!! Sasuke never cared for Sakura or Kakashi... and Team 7 didn't mean a shit to him... It was just all about Naruto for him... Hell He even cares more about Team Taka and Karin, than Sakura or Kakashi...

Me: Okay... Please Take a look at this...

Antis: Oh this Page...Here, He was talking about Naruto not Sakura... He was asking for Naruto to save Naruto...not Sakura... Though His words may imply that Sakura is also his dear one... But He was totally lying here... LOOK UNDERNEATH THE UNDERNEATH!!

Me: Ok then why did he think about BOTH Naruto and Sakura here??

Antis: That just happened one time... It doesn't mean shit!!

Me: Well... But it happened again....

Antis: Okay... two times... But that doesn't make any difference... 1 and 2 are same !!

Me: Oh... See...He is thinking about BOTH of them again...

Antis: Okay... 3 times... But that doesn't make any difference... 2 and 3 are same!!!

Me: Oh But...And when he was accused about PLAYING FAMILY with his comrades... He thought about Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi... ALL THREE OF THEM....

Antis: .... Well... Its not him thinking that!!!! ITS THE SOUND NINJA'S MEMORIES... NOT HIS!!! NOT HIS!!!

Me: Oh... He is thinking about Team 7 again... You see those dots???

Antis: No its just Sakura.... THE THINKING BUBBLES MEAN NOTHING!!!! Even though it represents thinking... It doesn't mean he is thinking!!!

Me: okay then...What about When he said His dream was to be happy with his COMRADES??

Antis: He just meant Naruto... COMRADE AND COMRADES ARE THE SAME THING!!!.... SINGULAR AND PLURAL ARE SAME THING !!!!!

Me: Ok then...And when He said that having TOO MANY BONDS were making him lose focus...

Antis: He just meant Naruto... HE JUST MEANT BOND... NOT BONDS... THAT'S JUST A MISPRINT !!!... SINGULAR AND PLURAL ARE SAME THING!!!!!

Me: But He awakened Amaterasu thinking about all three of them - Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi...

Antis: ... It means nothing... TEAM 7 means nothing!! He only means Naruto... It was just Taka and Naruto.... Not Kakashi or Sakura!!!....You just need to LOOK UNDERNEATH THE UNDERNEATH !!!!

Me: But... Sasuke called the ENTIRE Team 7 as his family... He didn't say - "Naruto I started seeing JUST YOU as my family".... He was having a conversation with just Naruto but still he went out of the way and brought Team 7 into the conversation and called them his family...

Antis: This panel doesn't mean shit... Kishimoto does not know what he is doing... It's not like he actually knows what he is writing...

Me: Anon...But... Its his Manga....They are Kishimoto's characters...

Antis: So what if they are his characters!??? It's not like he understands them more than we do!!! LOOK UNDERNEATH THE UNDERNEATH !!!!!

Me(an intellectual person): ... I am sorry, I wasted a lot of your time and brain cells.