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Would you have wanted orochimaru to die or just be punished for his evil deeds in a way that doesn't involve him necessarily dying?
Yesn't.
Don't get me wrong. I certainly wouldn't have minded Orochimaru's death. And I agree that some people are, for the sake of humanity, better off dead. That's all your Voldemorts, Palpatines, and Saurons - The cliché "dark lords". The problem is that Kishimoto treated Orochimaru with far too much kindness to begin with.
Orochimaru doesn't really fit the "personification of pure evil" caricature, and is characterized as a person instead. On top of that, unlike the aforementioned villains, Orochimaru didn't pose an active threat to the world which then hits us with an ethical question:
Do humans have the right to decide who lives or dies?
And what justifies killing? Survival? Improval? Feelings? Can we trust humans to determine these parameters?
And now add to that that I grew up on ATLA as a child and generally do not believe in death sentences...
The problem is, in real life, people like Orochimaru don't change and don't redeem themselves. There is no "I killed 59 newborns for funsies but now I'm a loving and responsible parent".
I think the better question to ask here is whether Kishimoto should've given Orochimaru a redemption or not. Because if Orochimaru had never been redeemed, he would've remained as a danger to the world, and killing him would have been the obvious choice. But Kishi instead redeemed him, leaving us with this moral dilemma.
#and let's not even mention how orochimaru's redemption was entirely inconsistent with his character#he got beaten by sasuke and itachi an suddenly he's a sasuke fan#and abandons all his previous goals of immortality and learning all jutsus#orochimaru was never heartless#but orochimaru suddenly growing fond of sasuke made no sense whatsoever#naruto#anti orochimaru#pro orochimaru#naruto discussion#orochimaru#masashi kishimoto#meta#ask#anon#naruto ask
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Sasuke's War Crimes?!
today I saw several posts talking about how Sasuke should have been punished for war crimes. War Crimes. Let me consult Wikipedia:
War crimes - all the things Konoha had done.
What is Sasuke's unforgivable war crime? I've been trying to find answer for years. - Killing Samurai in combat? Sasuke was there for Danzo, if they stepped back he had no interest in them. - Killing Danzo? Maniac who orchestrated Uchiha genocide, why nobody thanked Sasuke for ending that scum? - breaking into Kage summit? If we want righteousness, then other Kages should have executed Danzo themselves. Or at least draft an apology later for trying to stop Sasuke. - Trying to kill Sakura? She was literally there to kill him, she had attacked first. - Trying to kill Naruto? It sound like Sasuke waited behind the door with an axe. Each time Sasuke hit him with chidori, Naruto came back with rasengan, so Naruto was equally trying to kill Sasuke. - Leaving the village that made him and others into a child soldiers (which is a war crime)? Maybe the crime is that nobody is allowed to have a free will in that village? I get it, it's a military village, but Sasuke made it clear that he wasn't planning to go against Konoha, he was going after Itachi, which was supposedly in Konoha's interests. - Or maybe crime was going to Orochimaru? Orochimaru who actually did (and most probably still does) some war crimes but was pardoned and attended Hokage's wedding. - there's also part where he wanted to end Konoha's and other village's war crime record and reform the world but no, we are happy with child soldiers, genocide and power imbalance. The actual words of the argument were "change their idyllic system". Idyllic system. The system was idyllic. - 'joining' Akatuski? Sasuke had never cared about Obito's goals and turned on them almost immediately. - Only thing that seems like an actual violation is attack on Bee, although Bee wasn't actually harmed. And it doesn't specify as war crime, Bee isn't a civilian.
So what is Sasuke's unforgivable crime, the war crime? What he did that was worse than for example - what Orochimaru had done?
#anti konoha#pro uchiha#pro sasuke#sasuke uchiha#anti itachi#pro sasuke uchiha#anti naruto fandom#naruto shippuden#naruto#i wanted to stop at “things konoha had done”#but it got out of hand#maybe i'll discuss konoha's war crimes in more detail#i'll forever be salty about orochimaru being invited in naruto's wedding#don't get me started on 'sasuke is a terrorist'#sasuke did nothing wrong#anti shinobi system
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LOL, this is so funny. The Uchiha neutralized the scoundrel and released his prisoners, you racist shit. It was YOUR pupil, standing there by your side, who enabled the scoundrel and let him torture and experiment with humans. Funny scoundrel seems to share your deranged hobbies, huh, wonder where he got those ideas from. You should all shut up your mouths and learn morals and decency from the Uchiha, you shameless criminals, your hypocrisy is boundless, YOU HAVE NO SHAME.
#FUCK TOBIRAMA#anti Tobirama#anti Hiruzen#anti Orochimaru#pro Sasuke Uchiha#pro Uchiha#anti Konoha#SASUKE DID NOTHING WRONG
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i think my favourite sasuke feat has gotta be when he uno reversed orochimaru. the disrespect - rinsed him of all his training, got his summons, learnt his tricks, and then when he didn't need him anymore, he just goes and absorbs him and steals his techniques. king shit.
#orochimaru: finally i will have your body#sasuke: no u#pro sasuke#uchiha sasuke#sasuke uchiha#naruto shippuden
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Sasuke Curse Mark Orochimaru
#sasuke naruto#sasukexnaruto#sasunaru#sasuke fanart#naruto x sasuke#sasuke#sasuke uchiha#every sasuke#sasuke sarugakure#ikemen sengoku sasuke#ikesen sasuke#naruto ultimate ninja storm#itachi naruto#naruto shitposting#narusasu#pro sasuke#naruto#sasuke x naruto#narumitsu#naruhina#naruto uzumaki#naruto uchiha#naruto universe#sasuke smut#naruto shippuden#orochimaru#orochimaru smut#naruto series#sasuke and sarada#curse mark
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Have we forgotten this panel too soon? “Remember that it’s Sasuke who defeated Orochimaru and freed us all. When you’re out I want you to spread the word, tell everyone you meet... A man is now among us who will bring stability and peace. You got that?”
#sasuke#team taka#team hebi#naruto manga#uchiha#uchiha clan#sasukes revolution#orochimaru#suigetsu#juugo#karin#karin uzumaki#anti konoha#antikonoha#anti team 7#pro uchiha#sasukarin#sasuke revolution
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Hello cuties, how ya doing? ✨⭐
Well well, I was watching Naruto again cause the Brazilian dub was released and I realized something that I don't know if every fan of team taka is aware of.
Isn't a secret to anyone that Sasuke saw team taka as his own family just like team seven and that every member in team taka resembles one of team seven, right?
Well, the first time I read and saw this
I thought that Juugo was some kind of representation for Kakashi to Sasuke, but then I realized that Juugo represents Sasuke himself and then Sasuke became Kakashi's representation in team taka, the leader, but not just that, it's what Kakashi said one time.
This conversation between Orochimaru and Suigetsu only reinforces this idea too.
Like, he says that Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu, just like Sasuke, they are free now, but at the same time it's implied that they are now with Sasuke as Taka and not Hebi anymore. Some other translations said “You are not my snake anymore.” So, it's much stronger and significant.
And for Juugo we see him as a member of a cursed clã that needs someone to put him in a “cage”.
It's funny seeing that Juugo needed it like just two times, one was Sasuke and another time was with Suigetsu and then I realized that this ‘cage’ is indeed the team taka.
At the very beginning team Hebi wasn't a peaceful team, they weren’t in tune with each other and this was a trigger to Juugo’s rage, but as time passed his impulse of killing stops just as team hebi became more harmonious.
The other time he couldn't control it was when all of them were apart, Juugo and Suigetsu were in one of those Orochimaru’s hideouts and Suigetsu was murmuring about the situation.
This scene isn't in the manga, but somehow it feels important because it was at this point that team hebi began to be something more than just a bunch of people sticking together, they became some more to each other somehow.
You know what? I like team taka the most because they had so much in common, they shared a lot of things and even though Kishimoto didn't show it, it was implied that they, even during those dark years with Orochimaru, knew each other's history and lived together like that.
I want to write something more detailed about that, well…
Juugo wanted to be alone because of his own strength and Sasuke himself choose the loneliness to become stronger and somehow the two of them find freedom in they respective teams
Sasuke and Juugo are two gentle souls that were corrupted by they respective clans and by the evil in others
#naruto#naruto shippuden#anti naruto ending#karin uzumaki#sasuke uchiha#juugo#suigetsu hozuki#orochimaru#kakashi hatake#fandom: naruto#naruto series#naruto anime#naruto manga#naruto analysis#masashi kishimoto#pro team taka#team taka#team hebi#my post
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"It's not a real romance unless they've tried to kill eachother at least once!"You guys couldn't even handle Sasuke and Sakura
@desi-pluto
#NAH CAUSE THIS IS INSANE HE TRIED TWICE WHEN HE WAS LITERALLY RELAPSING AND SOMEHOW Y'ALL MADE IT HER FAULT FOR TRYING TO SAVE HIM#BECAUSE HE GOT GR**MED INTO RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME BY A CANON P*DO???????YOU'RE LITERALLY A F*JOSHI THERE'S NOTHING IRONIC ABOUT THIS#sasusaku#sasuke uchiha#sakura haruno#pro sasuke#pro sakura#pro sasusaku#trans sasusaku#anti konoha#anti orochimaru#anti naruto ending#blasian sasuke supremacy#nart#fruitmixfam#pro sarada uchiha#transmasc 4 transfem autistic 4 autistic and goth punk 4 pastel punk realness#💌#summerposting
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My blood boils every time, every damn time, I think about how Sasuke was treated. Specifically in comparison to Orochimaru. That absolute scumbag was the true definition of evil, and he got off with just a slap on the wrist??
And Sasuke, someone who didn't actually commit any significant crime other than killing Danzo (which, good for him btw) and wanting to destroy the village (wanting to do something and actually going through with it are two worlds apart), someone who just wanted justice for the shit the system has put him –and his family– through, gets treated so disgustingly? They want to lock him up for what? For the actions caused by the trauma they put him through? Fuck that.
It's ludicrous to me how some people are okay with that? How do some people not see how fucked that is?
Yeah, no thanks.
#pro sasuke#anti konoha#fuck them#anti danzo#oh that bitch enrages me#anti tobirama#is this an anti tobirama post? have i explicitly said something about him here?#no. but you can assume all my posts are anti tobirama regardless 🤗#anti orochimaru#pro sasuke uchiha#my baby deserves better than this#anti anti sasuke#i will never understand the antis. never.
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this was so fucking RAW like sasuke being lauded as a revolutionary force instead of villainous scum...more pls! it fucking sucks that in the end the other members of taka had to end up all being orochimaru's "followers" again like .... kishi always knows how to acutely ruin an excellent thing. but anyways. WE LOVE SUIGETSU! AND SASUKE!
#pro sasuke#suigetsu#team taka#anti orochimaru#sasuke uchiha#sasuke#naruto shippuden#naruto#suigetsu hozuki#nart posting
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One of Kishimoto first drafts was actually Sasuke protecting Naruto from bullies and respecting his title as ninja! Could someone translate?
#sooo precious#Naruto#sasuke#naruto part 1#naruto shonen jump#naruto shippuden#naruto uzumaki#sasuke uchiha#pro sns#sns#kakashi hatake#sakura haruno#leaf village#orochimaru#jiraya#tsundae#hokage#bro help me find this#I can’t tag#Yamato#sai#ino yamanaka#shikamaru nara#team 7
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I will never get over the fact that even creepy deranged Orochimaru was considered for the position of Hokage, while my father was excluded simply because he was an Uchiha.
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makes me laugh how sakura is known for being sasuke obsessed, but i'd say she's pretty much bottom of the list for the severity of which certain people are obsessed with him.
#you know who i'm talking about#uchiha sasuke#sasuke uchiha#pro sasuke#sasunaru#narusasu#sns#itachi uchiha#itachi and sasuke#karin uzumaki#sakura haruno#naruto uzumaki#honourable mention to orochimaru but i'm not tagging him bc the ppl in the tag scare me
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Sasuke Curse Mark
#sasuke naruto#sasuke fanart#sasukexnaruto#naruto x sasuke#sasuke#sasuke uchiha#sasunaru#every sasuke#ikemen sengoku sasuke#ikesen sasuke#pro sasuke#sasuke and sarada#sasuke retsuden#sasuke fanfic#sasuke sarugakure#sasuke smut#sasuke sarutobi#sasuke sakura#sasuke shippuden#orochimaru#sasuke headcanons#naruto shitposting#naruto shippuuden gif#naruto smut#naruto series#sasuke x naruto#naruto shippuden#naruto uzumaki#itachi naruto#naruto universe
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say orochimaru, i heard you like em young
you better not ever go to cell block one
to anyone who has kekkai gekai blood
just make sure you hide your little brother from him
they tell me kabuto's the only one who gets your hand me downs
and hes at the party playing with his nose now
and hes got a weird case-- whys he around?
certified scientist? CERTIFIED PEDOPHILES
WOP WOP WOP WOP WOP
"Sas, fuck em up!"
WOP WOP WOP WOP WOP
imma do my stuff 😤
why you trollin like a bitch aint you tired?
tryna bag a body and its prolly A MINORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
#naruto shitposting#sasuke#orochimaru#kabuto yakushi#uchiha sasuke#sasuke uchiha#pro sasuke#thank you kdot
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Thinking once again about Sasuke being put in ninja prison for his “crimes” and Orochimaru becoming the comedic relief in Boruto because human experiments, destroying the village and killing the ninja president are perfectly okay things to do. Also thinking of how one of his child experiments stalks him and his trauma is also reduced to Scooby-doo type of investigative work
#just boruto things#this isn’t anti or pro anything#except danzo and hiruzen#fuck them geezers#orochimaru#sasuke#uchiha sasuke#yamato#kabuto
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