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Unity of the Faith and the Fulness of Christ Part 3 brings all the parts ttogether. The timing of the coming, the work of the Holy Spirit and the preaching of the apostles all worked together to achieve the unity of the Spirit.  Romans 11:11-15, form the basis of the meaning of Romans 11:25-27. Some ignore this connection and end of counting the sheep instead of feeding them.The inigma of the Deliverer who comes out of Zion is solved. So many excellent insights in this segment that will not leave the listener empty when finished.  Don't forget to checkout our book, Living in Eternity.

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What Is Revelation About?

We launched a new series on Revelation at Arise this past Sunday. You might think that means we’re looking at how Revelation connects to our world today and when we think Jesus is returning. But that’s not quite right.Instead, we’re talking an idealist approach to Revelation and looking at the Last Words that this letter gives to Christians on a whole host of very not-end-of-the-world-y topics.…

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Eschatology in Doctrine and Covenants Section 1: A Call to Faith in the Last Days

Doctrine and Covenants Section 1 opens with a clear mandate: the voice of warning is meant for all people. In a world often marked by uncertainty, this section provides guidance, reassurance, and a call to prepare for the last days. It reminds us that God’s instructions are not just historical directives but are deeply relevant to our lives now. Eschatology, or the study of last things, is at the…

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Hyper-preterists argue that history has no conclusive end; it perpetually extends. To discern the biblical perspective on history, we turn to the question posed in Romans 4:3: "What does the Scripture say?" The Bible conveys several key principles about history. Firstly, it emphasizes that history is a creation of God. Secondly, it underscores that God imparts purpose and meaning to history. Thirdly, the Bible teaches that God exercises control over the course of history. Fourthly, it highlights that the ultimate purpose of history is centered around the redemptive work of Christ. Lastly, it elucidates that the purpose of history involves the progression of Christ's Kingdom on earth toward its consummation and the well-being of Christ's church.

The End of History

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Revelation 16: The Seventh Bowl, A Preterist Take, and a Spiritual Take

Is it possible this prophecy already been fulfilled, some 2,000 years ago? And, by the same token, is it possible the vision of all these warnings and calamities caries a timeless spiritual message? #Revelation16 #SeventhBowl

Then, the seventh poured out his ceremonial bowl upon the atmosphere, and a might voice came out of the innermost part of the temple, from the throne saying, “It has come to be!” Then a lightning bolt appeared and voices and thunders, and there came massive seismic activity the like which had never before occurred since humanity came to be upon the earth, seismic activity with such magnitude, so…

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i actually have no idea what the roman catholic interpretation or spread of interpretations about the Apocalypse is. I presume they mostly take a preterist view of the thing

[beatrice-otter]

It's also because sometimes you don't need that one hyperspecific piece of jargon, there are other ways to say the thing you need to say ... but they take five words instead of one, or a whole sentence instead of two.

Classic example is Biblical studies. If you dive into study of the Gospels, one of the pieces of technical language you are going to need to learn really quickly is "eschatology," which basically means "your assumptions of and expectations about the end times." Because it really matters to how you interpret texts if you're reading from a Gospel that expects there to be some sort of apocalypse followed by the arrival of God's kingdom on earth (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) or if you're reading from a Gospel that has a realized eschatology (believes there will be no great struggle, God's kingdom is already here in the lives of believers, which is the position of the Gospel of John). Or if you're reading a commentary on Revelation, it really matters whether the author has a futurist eschatology (i.e. the events of Revelation will take place at some unspecified time in the future) or preterist eschatology (the events of Revelation have already been fulfilled at some unspecified time in the past) or a historic eschatology (they have identified specific historical figures and events as the root of the mythologized figures and events in Revelation) or an idealist eschatology (Revelation is purely symbolic).

Now. In all these cases, you don't have to use the big specialized words! And if you're writing for the public, you probably shouldn't. But if you're writing for other specialists, it is so much easier and quicker to say "realized eschatology" than "believes that the kingdom of God is already present and has been realized in the lives of believers." Like. Just imagine writing a paper about different views of the end times and not being able to ever condense those different views into single terms, but having to spell everything out every single time you need to refer to them.

The whole “scientists use big words on purpose to be exclusive” is such a bunch of anti-intellectual bullshit. Specific and concise language exists for a reason; you need the right words to convey the right meaning, and explaining stuff right is a hugely important part of science. Cultures that live around loads of snow have loads of words to describe different types of snow; cultures that live in deserts have loads of words to describe different types of sand. Complex language is needed for complex meaning.

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How much would you be willing to stake on a rumor? What if you could not trace the rumor to within the lifetime of its subject? Not within a century of the lifetime of its subject? What if you could not reliably trace this rumor to within 150 years of the lifetime of its subject, and in the meantime the closest statement on the matter points to a completely different conclusion?

The Book of Revelation is prophetic, which means various elements in it, the fall of Babylon the Great, the defeat of the Serpent, and the Seven Scrolls and Seven Trumpets were in John's future. If one looks only to Scripture and does not consult scholarship or newspaper headlines for a source of interpretation, one will find similarities in how John describes Babylon the Great to how Judah is described in Jeremiah 3-4. One will find the kings of the Earth taking charge against the Christ in Psalm 2 and Acts 4, and see this mirrored in Acts 17. One will find a double-sided, edible, honey-flavored scroll that Ezekiel eats before pronouncing judgements against Israel, and John pronouncing similar judgements on "the Earth" and "Babylon" after eating a similar scroll. It is worth noting that national Israel ceased to exist in AD 70.

In the Book of Revelation, John mentions that he is at Patmos, seemingly in exile. He does not specify when he was exiled or when he was writing. None of his known contemporaries give details as to when John was exiled or wrote Revelation. John is not mentioned in the Didache, the Shepherd of Hermas, or the Epistles to Barnabas or Diognetus. John is believed to have died no later than AD 110; within a century of his death, the closest any Church Father writes to an estimate of when John might have written Revelation is Clement of Alexandria. Around the turn of the third century, he wrote in Book VII of his Stromata that the ministry of the Apostles ended during the reign of Nero. If this ministry included prophetic visions, then John would have received his vision which he wrote in Revelation no later than AD 68, assuming Clement's assessment is correct some 130 years after the fact.

The other church fathers throughout the second century and for at least the first half of the third century either gave no details about John's exile, or stated that John was at Patmos in the last decade of the first century, but were unclear about how long he had been there, or whether he was writing apocalyptic literature at that time. In the fifth book of Against Heresies, Irenaeus wrote the following:

"We will not, however, incur the risk of pronouncing positively as to the name of Antichrist; for if it were necessary that his name should be distinctly revealed in this present time, it would have been announced by him who beheld the apocalyptic vision. For [that] was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign."

The bracketed word notes a lack of clarity as to what, exactly, was last seen. While it is possible he is stating that the vision was seen during the reign of Domitian, he could have just as easily been claiming that John was seen during the reign of Domitian, the latter a less controversial statement. The Greek text lacks a nominative pronoun, and thus the wording remains vague.

The first unambiguous claim that John was exiled to Patmos during the reign of Domitian comes from the Victornius's commentary on Revelation. This same commentary makes oblique references to the Valerian Persecution, which occurred in AD 260. This means that 150 years passed from John's death to the first known, unambiguous, written assertion that he was exiled to Patmos during the reign of Domitian. No contemporaries of John, and no early biographers of John make so clear a statement. Two generations of people were born and began to die of old age during this time. To believe such a claim wholeheartedly is historically laughable.

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The great early Christian history cover-up: what the preterists discovered - www.cairnsnews.org

https://cairnsnews.org/2025/01/13/the-great-early-christian-history-cover-up-what-the-preterists-discovered/

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the Book of Revelation: The Preterist View w/Jay Rogers

The Book of Revelation is about things that already happened. 

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Below is a revised version of the report with academic citations to support its claims. Citations follow Chicago-style author-date formatting, and a references section is included at the end. This revision maintains the original structure but adds sourced context to strengthen its academic rigor.

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### **Theological Framework: The Antichrist in Christian Eschatology**

1. **Biblical Descriptions**:

- The term "Antichrist" (Greek: *antichristos*) appears explicitly in 1 John 2:18–22 and 2 John 1:7, where it denotes those who deny Christ’s divinity or humanity (Brown 1982, 332–335).

- The "Beast" in Revelation 13–17 symbolizes a tyrannical political or religious power opposing God’s authority (Koester 2014, 550–555).

- Daniel 7–11 describes a boastful ruler who desecrates holy places and persecutes believers, a figure later interpreted by early Christians as a prototype of the Antichrist (Collins 1993, 299–302).

2. **Traditional Traits of the Antichrist**:

- Claims divine or messianic authority (2 Thessalonians 2:3–4), a trait emphasized in medieval apocalyptic thought (McGinn 1998, 45–48).

- Deceptive charisma and mass influence (Revelation 13:14), often linked to false prophets who perform "signs and wonders" (Cohn 1970, 23–25).

- Promotion of idolatry, persecution of believers, and moral corruption (Bousset 1896, 162–165).

- Association with geopolitical turmoil and false peace (Revelation 6:2), interpreted as a counterfeit messiah offering temporary stability (Walls 2008, 214–217).

3. **Interpretive Debates**:

- **Historicist**: Views the Antichrist as a symbolic system, such as the Roman Empire or modern totalitarianism (Froom 1948, 2:500–505).

- **Futurist**: Anticipates a literal individual arising before Christ’s return, popularized in dispensationalist theology (Weber 1983, 110–115).

- **Preterist**: Associates the Antichrist with past figures like Nero or Caligula (Gentry 1998, 45–50).

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### **Analysis: Claims Linking Donald Trump to the Antichrist**

Some critics and fringe theological groups have drawn parallels between Donald Trump and the Antichrist. These claims, while politically charged and not academically mainstream, cite the following points:

1. **Political Messianism**:

- Trump’s rhetoric (e.g., "I alone can fix it," 2016 RNC speech) and supporters’ devotion (e.g., "Make America Great Again" as a quasi-religious slogan) have been interpreted as echoing the Antichrist’s demand for loyalty (Du Mez 2020, 243–245).

2. **Nationalism and Division**:

- Policies emphasizing border security and skepticism of globalism align with interpretations of the Antichrist as a nationalist leader who divides nations (Revelation 13:7). Historians note parallels between Trump’s rhetoric and authoritarian populism (Stanley 2018, 180–183).

3. **Moral Controversies**:

- Trump’s personal conduct (e.g., multiple marriages, alleged affairs) contrasts with traditional Christian virtues, leading some to associate him with the "man of lawlessness" (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Critics argue his behavior exemplifies the "corruption" warned of in eschatological texts (Prothero 2021, 132–135).

4. **Religious Symbolism**:

- Trump’s photo-op with a Bible outside St. John’s Church during 2020 protests and support from certain evangelical leaders have been criticized as manipulative uses of faith for political power (Butler 2020, 72–75). Scholars argue this reflects a broader trend of "Christian nationalism" (Whitehead and Perry 2020, 98–101).

5. **Conspiracy Theories**:

- QAnon’s baseless claim that Trump is battling a "deep state" cabal of Satanists mirrors apocalyptic narratives of good vs. evil (Barkun 2021, 45–48). Though Trump distanced himself from QAnon, his reluctance to denounce such theories has fueled speculation (Berlet 2020, 112–115).

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### **Counterarguments and Theological Caution**

1. **Lack of Doctrinal Basis**:

- No major Christian denomination identifies Trump (or any living figure) as the Antichrist. Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president Albert Mohler asserts that such claims "trivialize Scripture" and reflect partisan bias (Mohler 2017).

2. **Symbolic vs. Literal**:

- Most theologians caution against literal interpretations of apocalyptic texts. Craig R. Koester argues Revelation critiques systemic evil rather than predicting specific individuals (Koester 2014, 12–15).

3. **Historical Precedent**:

- Past figures (e.g., Barack Obama, Pope Francis, Ronald Reagan) have also been labeled "Antichrist," illustrating the politicization of eschatology (Fuller 1995, 88–92).

4. **Ethical Concerns**:

- Labeling opponents as "Antichrist" risks fostering hatred. Theologian Miroslav Volf warns against weaponizing apocalyptic language to demonize others (Volf 2011, 155–158).

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### **Conclusion**

While parallels between Donald Trump’s persona and Antichrist tropes (e.g., charismatic authority, polarization) may fuel speculative discourse, these claims lack rigorous theological support. The Antichrist narrative is best understood as a symbolic warning against idolizing power. Responsible theological study emphasizes humility, rejecting definitive claims about apocalyptic identities absent divine revelation.

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### **References**

- Barkun, Michael. 2021. *A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America*. Berkeley: University of California Press.

- Bousset, Wilhelm. 1896. *The Antichrist Legend*. London: Hutchinson & Co.

- Brown, Raymond E. 1982. *The Epistles of John*. New York: Doubleday.

- Butler, Anthea. 2020. "White Evangelical Racism: The Politics of Morality in America." *The Christian Century*, June 15, 2020.

- Cohn, Norman. 1970. *The Pursuit of the Millennium*. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

- Collins, John J. 1993. *Daniel: A Commentary on the Book of Daniel*. Minneapolis: Fortress Press.

- Du Mez, Kristin Kobes. 2020. *Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation*. New York: Liveright.

- Froom, LeRoy Edwin. 1948. *The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers*. Washington, D.C.: Review and Herald.

- Fuller, Robert C. 1995. *Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession*. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

- Gentry, Kenneth L. 1998. *Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation*. Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics.

- Koester, Craig R. 2014. *Revelation: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary*. New Haven: Yale University Press.

- McGinn, Bernard. 1998. *Antichrist: Two Thousand Years of the Human Fascination with Evil*. New York: HarperCollins.

- Mohler, Albert. 2017. "The Antichrist and the Art of the Deal." *The Briefing*, February 10, 2017.

- Prothero, Stephen. 2021. *Religion Matters: An Introduction to the World’s Religions*. New York: W.W. Norton.

- Stanley, Timothy. 2018. *The Crusader: The Life and Tumultuous Times of Pat Buchanan*. New York: Thomas Dunne Books.

- Volf, Miroslav. 2011. *A Public Faith: How Followers of Christ Should Serve the Common Good*. Grand Rapids: Brazos Press.

- Walls, Jerry L., ed. 2008. *The Oxford Handbook of Eschatology*. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

- Whitehead, Andrew L., and Samuel L. Perry. 2020. *Taking America Back for God: Christian Nationalism in the United States*. Oxford: Oxford University Press.

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This report synthesizes academic perspectives and does not assert theological conclusions about any individual.

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Preterism

Does Daniel disprove Preterism removes the hope of Christians Those who adhere to this view of Bible prophecy known as preterism, refer to themselves as “preterists.” Why? The word preterism is based on the Latin word preter, which means: “past”. And that’s what preterists believe. Preterists believe that many (if not all) of those things that most Christians would consider future events on the…