#poto adaptations

[luneemeritus]

I few notes about these tags! I feel like I didn't express myself correctly in earlier posts

I am, too, excited about these new adaptations. It's been years we don't have an adaptation like this, that isn't independent of purely fanfiction (not saying this in a derogaroty way!), and the fact that two new adaptations are being developed in high budget sets makes me hopeful that we'll see a reborn in the POTO media I want POTO relevant again, new fans, new media, new fanfiction and art and fanart, everything. But like. I'm also worried. I'm scared of possible flops, failures or straight up cancellation. We had enough terrible POTO media, I really want them to be careful. I want to watch a show where I know the creators care about what they're doing. I want them to know the fans, to listen to us and make something they know we'll love. (Of course, this can be argued to any other media, not just POTO)

And about the musical being the "Twilightification of the novel" uuuuh idk exactly how to feel about this. On one hand, yeah, it's a musical, its tone is overall different from the novel but not DRASTICALLY different. Personally I really don't want POTO to be portrayed as a story by teenagers in High School, that's all. I want POTO to remain being a mature story with mature themes, YA just... isn't the ideal public to me. BUT, I agree that anti-Twilight hate is so annoying and pointless, and the musical recieves the same bad faith criticism that medias like Twilight recieve so yeah ("don't romanctize an already romancticized melodrama!! bad toxic problematic😭"). I don't think an adaptation being inspired by Twilight is iherently a bad thing.

I would love to see a POTO adaptation made by Robert Eggers just like how he did with Nosferatu, for example. I'm expecting to see Erik being Leroux-accurate deformed, morally ambiguous, pathetic crazy wet old man. But I'm pretty sure this isn't what we're getting. If anything, I AM excited and happy that POTO is recieving attention again and I'll try to not be biased.

We're getting two new contemporary Phantom of the Opera film adaptations being made this year???!

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[luneemeritus]

Sorry, I couldn't resist... LMAO

[night-unfurls-its-splendour]

Thinking of biting the bullet and watching the 1983 PotO with Jane Seymour tonight.

Seems like a good excuse for a poll!

[luneemeritus]

LMAO WHAT EPISODE IS THIS????

[secretsofthewilde]

Hey wtf do you mean next year will be 100 years since we got a mainstream book accurate film adaptation of The Phantom of the Opera?

[luneemeritus]

[hismercytomyjustice]

21 - The Sherlock Holmes crossover

The Angel of the Opera

POTO adaptations that sound fake but actually happened

- 80’s/highschool/mall AU

- Phantom on ice

- a hentai game where Erik is a blue-haired anime boy

- an adaptation where Erik didn’t even have a deformity, fucked rats, and Raoul looked like Prince

- a high-budget musical adaptation of the fanfiction you wrote when you were 14 and still in your Erik stan phase

- A sequle to the original book where Raoul got his dick shot off and Jesus Christ himself literally showed up as a character with dialouge

- and animated adaptation that borderline looks like one of those Zelda CDi games

- that time Raoul was a jack russle terrier

- a loosely-based animated adaptation where the phantom was a bug furry and it was actually a hertfelt and sweet movie

- That one non-ALW musical which only the audio exists and no video footage, which was meant for grade-school aged children to play despite the fact that every singer in the recording was a grown ass adult and many of the vocals would have been way too hard for most kids that young to achieve.

- That non-ALW musical that the Charles Dance version was based off that had Gaston from Beauty in the Beast in it

- a high budget all-female japanese production of the previously mentioned musical that was actually fucking amazing.

- a manga that absolutely no one ever talks about

- an episode of the Hello Kitty cartoon where the phantom was a cute little mouse

- a Scooby Doo movie where the deformity design actually looked like the original, Christine was a little girl who was an obnoxious little shit, and Carlotta tried to murder Shaggy and Scooby

[cowgremlin11]

being the #1 daroga stan is like being gods least fav soldier

[thunderpoolisawesome]

I’m in love. I’m in love guys.

WHY DID THEY FUCKING DO THAT. ERIK NOOOOO

[hyperesthesias]

once more broaching the subject of the egregious mischaracterization of erik being a rapist to say that when erik realized the ropes he tied christine with had burned her wrists, he was so upset with himself for hurting her that he said it was deserving of death. even at the height of his delusions and mayhem, he still would not intentionally hurt her.

[michamiw]

I'm very normal for combining two of my mobile games, don't worry about it

[ange331]

:3

[luneemeritus]

Oh my god I felt in love by Kara Badalamenti's book cover. I'll save it for read!!

Late with the roundup this month, in the traditional vein of dramatically wandering in mid-masquerade ball!

Phantom by Kara Badalamenti is a modernized retelling of the original story, following a young art student named Maeve who struggles when thrust into the world of her prestigious art school before meeting a mysterious fellow artist who encourages her not to give up on her dreams. Neat to see a visual arts version!

Angel of Music by Kathrine Willson is the fifth installment (following Phantom of Normandy below), and seems to be about the next generation down from that book, with a descendant of Erik who is physically scarred in a car crash and inherits something from him as a result.

Phantom of Normandy by Kathrine Willson is the fourth in Willson's Phantom series, chronicling the life of the original Phantom's grandson, William, who has inherited his disfigurement and whose adventures primarily revolve around military service during World War II. For those with a historical itch, I imagine!

And in the realm of extra releases, the first of Jessica Mason's Phantom Saga is now available in audiobook, for those who are more audio-inclined.

Summer soldiers on; we'll see if anything fun comes down the line before the Halloween spooky skeleton rush!

[flea-palace]

WHY are we getting a YA phantom series don't we already have phantom of the megaplex and goosebumps phantom of the auditorium and wishbone pantin at the opera and phantom of the mall eric's revenge and

[hadestheredhead]

Hey! I made an ANIMATED ADAPTATION of THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (Leroux) unmasking scene!

Check it out and tell me what do you think!

I hope you like it ^^

[shutyourfacemonsterlover]

hmm call me an Erik apologist all you want, but after thinking it well, i think the complaints people have about "sexy phantoms" and how "adaptations never adapt POTO well, they romanticize the story too much, it's a horror story not a romance" are kinda...unfounded?

Yeah you can make a potential argument about adaptations missing the mark, removing the deformity from Erik (which shapes Erik's whole character), and that...But also...how much is this true, and how much this has been exaggerated by really one or modern interpretations?

And i wonder...is it really? Phantom has had such a number of different adaptations all over the years, from different creative minds, and each of them presented a different view on Erik. Do most of them not adapt the book? Yes (as in no birth deformity, no Daroga, no scorpion or grasshopper, etc etc). Do they really change the main themes and mood presented in the novel, turning it more erotic? Are really all adaptations with a "sexy Erik and cucked Raoul!", as critics state? Heem, let's take a look.

We'll mostly analyze the big film adaptations, since Phantom has been told over and over again in different books, comics, videogames, tv shows, and it would take us A LOT to go through every one (also let's be realistic...we have to analyze the most "well known" Phantom adaptations so to see if the critics' words hold some water. I don't think it would make much sense to point out a Phantom adaptation that has these elements but like...only four people know of it lol)

Lon Chaney...Nope. Erik was still deformed, and the few sympathetic traits he has were erased to give him a boring clichéd "kill the monster" ending, going against what the book stated, where Erik dies of a broken heart and not lynched (curiously, how the same people that go "we must portray the book accurately, not show him sympathetically" don't mind this change, huh)

Claude Rains...Nope. Still ugly, dies by the end. No sexuality. Even the "love triangle" element is changed so that it focuses on Christine and her being annoyed by the two Raouls.

Herbert Lom...Still ugly and dies. This adaptation even cuts his attraction to Christine yet keeps his obsession with music, even cuts down his biggest crimes to lay it on the hands of his sidekick (imo this is probably the most "sympathetic" Phantom, imo, since he's interpreted as an artist who had his art stolen, only wanting to "get back" at the thieves; but nobody talks of him when discussing sympathetic Phantoms)

Phantom of the Paradise...Still ugly, loses, but like Herbert Lom, redeems himself through death.

Maximillian Schell...Ugly, dies by the end.

Cartoon - Ugly, dies, Christine doesn't go with him. This is the most book accurate novel but in another angle, haha (Daroga is here, death's head, abusive mother...not exactly what the smart ass critics want ;)).

Robert Englund...Ugly, loses, doesn't get Christine...In fact I'd claim this is probably the most villainous version of Erik, turning him into more of a Freddy Krueger clone than the complicated character Erik truly is. Really amps up the horror for all those "IT'S A HORROR STORY" smart-ass critics if they're so desperate for an "accurate" version (Erik didn't flay people in the novel, iirc, so, so much for "being accurate to the novel"!)

ALW-verse / the musical / Gerard Butler film / Love Never Dies / Phantom of Manhattan (i'm placing all of this in the same venue because basically, it's really the same universe / canon, ergo we're really talking about the same intrepretation / the same creator). Ugliness is there, but sorta downplayed...This verse often ends with Erik and Christine getting together...yup, this is the one version where the criticism is legit.

Charles Dance / Yeston Kopit musical / Takarazuka (again, same universe, same creator, same interpretation). Possibly the nicest Erik yet, but he's still deformed, and he still doesn't get Christine. He's sympathetic, a little romantic, but I don't think it's on the same league as the sexuality present in Point of no Return's lyrics or Gerard Butler's open puffy shirts.

Susan Kay's novel - This one is interesting because it takes a lot from the musical (i'd argue even more from that than the novel), and then influenced the musical and future iterations of it (this novel amps up the sexy angle A LOT), so I'm not sure to categorize it as its own thing or added to the musical verse. But, still...it follows the plot points from ALW (and elements we see in future installments of ALW's POTO, like the secret child, first appeared in Kay, i think, based on publication dates), yet Erik is still hideous, but his sexuality is present in the novel...as well as his murderous tendencies. This is the one version that combines elements of both horror and sex, imo.

Dario Argento - for fuck's sakes, nobody likes this version, lol, and even the normies don't know of it. BUT ANYWAY, IF WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE COMPARISON....Not deformed, "gets Christine", in a way, but woof this version also amps up the horror and has the most unlikable Erik of them all imo.

And everything else...Do people really care or know about those versions? Wishbone's or the other musicals, or the ass long number of books? Not really...

So really...the number of Phantom adaptations that have a "sexy, romantic" Erik can be chalked up to 2-3...against all the other adaptations that keep the horror elements or have Erik still looking horrible. And the great majority of them keep it in canon with the original ending- ea Erik dies and Christine goes with Raoul (it's really only Kay's novel and LND that have the "sexy Erik cucks Raoul" interpretation...and LND has always always always been mocked and rejected by the fans)

So it's people really throwing a tantrum over the ALW version being popular, really. (And i'm really curious how they don't mind when Erik is turned more villainous, like in Lon Chaney or Robert Englund's version, even though those are also inaccurate to the novel. (Erik wasn't a sexy doomed hero, no, but he also wasn't this Freddy Krueger bastard.) Funny that).