#please I don't want that reylo crap

[thund3randrain]

Trying to find FinnPoe fanfics that aren't just in the background of Reylo is like trying to find a needle in a haystack on a planet of the biggest, most rotten haystacks you've ever seen.

[psifitopia]

beetlebabes discourse

Look, if you don't ship beetlebabes, you don't have to announce it. People who do ship it hopefully couldn't care less, if you don't. I just want to be able to go into the beetlejuice and beetlejuice beetlejuice tags for content, not people being pissy at each other. I had enough of this sort of ignorant crap in the Star Wars fandom with Reylo.

People are going to see things differently than you. People are going to have ships you don't like. People are going to dislike ships you love. Grow up. Get over it.

My personal pov? Beetlebabes isn't necrophilia, because that is defined as having sex with a corpse. Not a ghost. Not sure there is a word for that and don't really want to know. Pedophilia? Only if one of them is currently underage, when they get it on. Meeting when she was a child doesn't count, because Betelgeuse has been dead for six hundred years. Everyone is young compared to him. And they haven't been in contact in over thirty-five years, so you can't call it grooming.

Is the ship problematic? Yes. Guess what? Solving problems together is part of having a relationship. It's part of my attraction to the ship because DRAMA. CONFLICT. All that stuff that makes a good, meaty story! Does Lydia love Betelgeuse in the movies? Nope. At least not yet. But...so what? Honestly, if someone wants to headcanon things differently or use the movies as a starting off point or any other thing? You aren't the fandom police. Block, ignore, and mind your own business. You aren't going to change people's minds and you're just being annoying.

For the record, I am Psi_Fi on AO3. I wrote a Betelgeuse/Lydia fic called Tangled Time. In it, while helping a bunch of child ghosts, Lydia ends up going six hundred years back in time and meets Betelgeuse, who lives with his aunt, uncle, and cousin. They take Lydia in and she and Betelgeuse become friends. Then fall in love. She goes back to her own time and they get into a relationship. Right now I have her being nineteen. But I wrote that years ago. I'm in my fifties now, so I might go back and age her up a couple of years. I might not. Meh.

So, if you can't handle that, if you think I'm sick and don't want me to engage with you, in your posts? Please block me now, so I don't have to deal with you and your bullying. Thank you.

[redrascal1]

In Disney romance is dead.

My advice for anyone who loves a good romance - you won't find it in Disney.

They are known for making some of the most romantic animated films of all time - Beauty and The Beast (90s version) is a classic example.

But recently Disney have been pouring cold water on romance in their movies.

And, believe it or not, the rot began waaay back in 2010 with of all things Alice in Wonderland.

It was a delightful film. Most of all I loved the chemistry between Mian Wasikowska's 'old soul' Alice and Johnny Depp's charming but tormented Tarrant Hightopp (aka Hatter).

I was saddened when at the end she returned to 'real life' and to a life without romance, but heartened when they announced a sequel...only for Alice to once again leave Wonderland, this time for a reason I found appalling - to look after her mother, an unpleasant woman who showed little affection for Alice - and she also had another daughter she was much closer to.

Any reason to keep Alice and the Hatter apart for ever.

And please - don't start with the 'Johnny is too old for Mia' crap, because this isn't about Johnny and Mia, but Alice and the Hatter, and Alice was the more mature one!

But, since AiW I have noticed bit by bit romance in Disney productions is dying.

Mulan - the live action version removed the romantic lead.

Star Wars - Han and Leia's relationship had come to an end. Finn/Rose is quashed in TROS.

And of course, 'Goddess of Jedi Dogma Rey'......doesn't need a boyfriend. Doesn't need anyone and anybody, apparently.

Now it has happened with Loki.

Loki, Thor's tormented God of Mischief, will spend eternity trapped in a tree with no one to love him. Because these days it seems that there is no redemption but death.

Waaaay back in my 20s I was an avid reader of the Dragonlance books. My favourite character was Raistlin Majere. Physically frail but incredibly strong willed and powerful, I pitied and despised him in equal measures when I first started reading the books, but my opinion changed dramatically when he did one thing.

As the heroes were escaping danger Raistlin suddenly went back, to his friends' chagrin, and returned with - Bupu, the little gully dwarf who had been their guide. And who the big, strong men - had completely forgot about. And the only one willing to risk his life to save her was Raistlin.

I started to love his character then.

Probably one of the most tragic figures in fantasy I desperately wanted Raistlin redeemed. Don't get me wrong - he did some terrible things. But, it all came from a place of pain. And I wanted him to get a 'happy ending'. Because this is fantasy folks - and if you can't find happy endings in make believe, where can you find them?

But ultimately....he didn't. I was devastated.

But, there was always Star Wars.

Not anymore.

The Skywalkers are all dead, along with Han Solo. And apparently Adam Driver confirmed in a recent interview Ben aka Kylo...was never meant to be redeemed. That he was meant to die evil.

And also...Harrison Ford actually didn't want Han to die in TFA. Despite years ago wanting to kill his character off, Ford over the years mellowed a lot to him.

Abrams wanted him to die at his son's hands so we, the audience, would hate Kylo. That we would cheer his death. That we would embrace Rey as his replacement.

But they made a drastic mistake.

Because Rey - is a bore.

She may tick the boxes but she is frankly utterly unmemorable as a hero. She's an archetype.

The most memorable character was Kylo. And the 'reylo' romance was the highlight of the ST. No matter how much Finn fans moan. No matter how much the 'woke' criticised it. Because Rey was at her most interesting when interacting with Kylo.

And it wasn't just we fans of it who noticed it - Rian Johnson did.

And the critics did.

But, Disney refused to listen and gave us TROS. Now they intend to continue with their soulless heroine in a new film, or series of films, whilst removing the prince from their forthcoming LA Snow White.

Why?

To satisfy #metoo, who apparently were the 'consultants' on the LA Little Mermaid? Which underperformed at the BO?

Frankly, to quote Rhett Butler ....I myself don't give a damn.

Bad enough that Raistlin had a sad ending. Bad enough Loki did. But Star Wars, the film series that had at its heart a message of hope - sorry Disney, SW was the last straw. I loved it for forty plus years. I was 12 when I first saw it. I was 54 when I watched it die with TROS.

Disney turned Lucas's saga into a horror story. And it was meant to be a fairytale.

Fairytales have happy endings. Real life is often heartbreaking and disappointing. Fairy Tales are our escape.

Disney, once the master of fairtales....have completely crushed them.

No romance. No love. No forgiveness.

No redemption but death.

If all someone can expect is that....why bother 'turning good'? Why bother at all?

[piglet26]

Star Wars: The Force Awakens Rewatch Part 3

Harrison Ford looks like he's genuinely having fun running around with Chewie and shooting things.

While it's hilarious that Finn's first instinct is to run, it's great that once it's understood that Rey is in trouble he actually goes not only into battle to directly into the First Order HQ. It's a great friendship especially with those iconic Rey's! Sad that's it's kind of mocked for being simpish.

Reylo - heart eyes - him appearing out the forest like a dark prince and freezing her. The bridal carry at the torn down castle. It's just a hint at what's to come but it's enough that you understand something is different about them. Fairytale vibes for real.

Finn "He took her did you see that. He took her, she's gone."

Han "Yeah, yeah, I know."

Finn stares after him stunned. haha

Finn he's a little preoccupied right now. He just saw his son with a girl, he's about his meet his wifey again after how long. Rey is like 5th on this list right now, while she's your #1

Han and Leia finally back together 1 hour 20 minutes in. Someone was mad.

Poe/Finn is a great bromance.

See Finn, Han did mention Rey to Leia as soon as he got other stuff out the way.

I love Leia as a leader. Side note: the sexism, yes sexism, Carrie faced for aging and gaining weight while Harrison ford is grey and Mark looks like a drunk is bull crap.

R2D2, 3PO Iconic.

Leia and Han scene about their son going bad is a great scene and you see the history and the love between them.

It might sound odd that with an interrogation scene Reylos said we're never letting this go - but yes, that's how it is. So many things are fascinating about this scene. How long has he sat there and observed her? He's kneeling as opposed to standing over her. He refers to her as his guest. He doesn't like her friends, but tells her he doesn't know where they are.

Kylo Ren "You still want to kill me"

Ren "That's what happens when you're being hunted by a creature in a mask."

Kylo Ren reveals a handsome dark prince look literally made for vaginas

Rey: Girl, same

It's also canon in this scene that their force bond is made her and they both feel it. Read the books. Honestly, the chemistry here really is great between them and the dialogue. Daisy Ridley is a great actress having to act while strapped to a table. She just doesn't get the credit.

Poe Dameron is the kind of fighter you want. Brace, fearless and rowdy.

Han "Ok, how do we blow it up. There's always a way to do that." Love Han! You need people like this around in the midst of crisis.

I wasn't an OG fan and I didn't grow up with Star Wars so I don't have the attachment to the OG3 but this was a touching scene.

Han "What was your job when you were based her?"

Finn " Sanitation"

Han " Sanitation?! Then how do you know how to disable the shields?"

Fin " I don't. I'm just here to get Rey

"Han "People are counting on us. The galaxy is counting on us."

This exchange, them kidnapping Phasma, the whole it's great.

Yes Rey, put those scavenger skills to use and climb.

Rey: "Finn, what are you doing here?"

Finn "We came back for you"

Chewie: Roaring

Finn " What he say?"

Rey "He says it was your idea."

Suffocating hug. Honestly, you want people like Finn, Han and Chewie to have your back. Yes people! Please come and save me and don't leave me like a Martyr.

Oh it's hurts to know that Han and company had escaped and only went back in to help the resistance.

Aww Finn gave Rey his jacket and....... then got the jacket back in the next scene?

The infamous scene

Adam Driver and Harrison Ford had a lot of ground to cover in this scene since this was literally their only scene. You had to not only believe in their history but care about it.

Whatever good will this movie built up it just squandered it for the OG fans. Not only killing Han but not putting Luke, Leia and Han in a scene together. Yeah, it's down hill from here for these fans.

*Reylo criticism* he pushed her into a tree! To defend himself cause she was about to shoot him.

Yes, it's stupid that Rey beat Kylo Ren. If she fought more streetwise which is something she was used to then that would have made more sense. I don't care that he was wounded, spiritually fucked up and already fought Finn. Scratch him? Yes. Outright beat him? No.

*Reylo criticism* They fought. He mostly played with her honestly until she got the jump on him.

!Reylo Moment! You need a teacher! He's got a soft spot for her.

!Finnrey Moment! Rey watching over Finn. "We'll see each other again. I believe that. Thank you, my friend"

Special shout out to Leia final princess outfit.

And we're off to find Luke thanks to R2D2 waking up.

This planet is called Ack-Tu? I think. Anyways it's beautiful. Rey don't go back to Jakku I love a desert as much as a scorpion but there's greenery, water and fresh air here.

Disney plus has special features?! Wow.

Overall, a pretty solid film for a new fan.

[ofwoodsandwaves]

but what do they know of love? — Linn D

[charnine]

I was waiting for the Loki series to be over so I could watch it all at once. I haven't kept away from spoilers, but I'm afraid cause I saw those nasty ship wars and I don't want to get into another reylo situation with sylki (I've seen those gifs that look like they were copied from The Last Jedi and I'm a sucker for that crap). Then the whole people insisting 'they are like siblings' and 'it's incest', except it actually is incest this time lmao (not that I care because it's not real, you can't actually fuck yourself you purity warriors). What I can't belive is this is Disney, they don't have the balls for this. I mean, they make incest canon, but can't show gay people as leads... Guessing there's some twist that won't be revealed until season 2 to make it more "acceptable". Anyways... I guess what I'm asking is if I'm about to head into a reylo situation please warn me so I can prepare for disappointment.

[holywankenobi]

SW fandom rant

To be honest, I don't really know how or where can I start talking about this. If you aren't interested in any of the Star Wars drama that is going on then skip this post, cause its gonna be long... these goes for the SW fans we are concerned about the whole situation itself. I barely have the strength to do this and exposing my opinion about certain things makes me uncomfortable but it's been a long while since I'm keeping things to myself. There's much information I have to process so please be patient with me since I barely know how to express my emotions in the right way (that's why I'm holding myself back a lot here: it will seem I'm calm... but I'm not. I'm angry and tired at the same time).

DISNEY CANON

We all know where it all started. The Force Awakens premiere in 2015. We will start from there.

As ANY star wars movie, there will be people who liked it, people who loved it and people who hated it. And there is where some fans clash with the others. Fans who enjoy practically every movie or SW related things and those fans who demonize every movie (specially the ones from the new Disney canon) and the only thing that matters for them are the episodes IV, V, VI and the Legends canon (some of them also defend the prequel episodes I, II and III, fact which I'll talk about it later). And they bash against everyone who likes the Disney sequels.

BOI IM SCARED OF TELLING PEOPLE THIS WAS MY FAVOURITE SAGA SO FAR. And I already had problems with Legends hardcore fans.

Let me tell this straightaway... Star Wars are movies for kids. They've always been. George Lucas said it. They seem to be thirsty for feeling again what they felt when they were kids whenever a SW movie comes out but they always exit the cinema with a feeling of extreme disappointment.

I was talking about the last movie with my co workers at the beginning of the year and they complaint it was "too Disney". And that's precisely what I'm trying to explain! It's ok whether you like the sequels or not like them. Everyone has his own taste. I just find funny complaining for a whole saga originally made for kids for being "too Disney". I dont know if you get my point here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEsOqEpNF0k&list=PL8SlwcJuVWR2FNtL-6Wo5QUP6LMjpNJUA

LEGENDS CANON

Then there's those who hated the prequels, that said there was nothing worse than the phantom menace, those who hated on George Lucas for doing such a crap, but now praise the prequels because Disney is satan for them and they want the old canon back. George Lucas ended up selling SW to Disney because, he ain't no fool, he knows this fanbase is one of the most toxic and ungrateful that has ever existed. And he saw it with the prequels feedback... Then they now have the guts to demand him to continue the old canon? Smells like hypocrite-crying fanboys to me.

My whole point is....It's ok if you are a new/Disney sequels fan, it's ok if you are a prequels fan, it's ok if you are a SW original movies fan, Legends canon fan, OG fan, casual fan, hardcore fan... as always you understand that not everyone will agree with your point of view, not everyone will like or think the same way as you do, or live SW the same way as you do. There's a difference between respecting and agreeing with, concepts which sometimes get mixed and taken as the same thing, which is not. Respect other fans mean "I don't agree with you but I know how much this means for you, so I won't intentionally mock you" WHICH THING LEADS US TO THE NEXT TOPIC:

JOHN BOYEGA

*takes a deep breath*

Man. I dont know. He's a full grown up man and he's behaving like a 5 yo on his social media...... John is the actor who gives life to Finn (the ex stormtrooper). It all started with this sexist comment he responded to a fan in his IG. 

Then people (naturally) got offended, specially reylos. But instead of apologizing he kept on going, remarked what he said and also did a video to mock the reylo community.

You think I'm only defending a ship here but no. Its bigger than that. He has the right to feel left out in this saga because I agree with him IN THAT FACT. He is probably the actor which is more into the SW world, he was always a big fan (of the whole cast I mean). Thats why fans love him do much. And I did love him too. And he (naturally) wanted to have more spotlight on this saga ( I think Finn was one of the most wasted characters of these movies tbh) But instead of taking it the mature way he's having a tantrum on his IG because Finnrey did not become a real thing, he's trolling reylos and encouraging SW haters and antis to bully them whose are already having a hard time with TROS end (which I'll talk about later because I dont like their attitude about it either).

And it's not just raise the hate on shippers thing dude you could just apologize because you said something sexist and offended a lot of people who ship reylo and really means a thing for them. The whole thing that the greatest achievement a man can have with a woman is sex is just DISGUSTING. Rey kissed Ben but now he's gone Finn has the road clear and can fuck her? BRUH.

This is all so wrong and he was the one who started it.

ADAM DRIVER

I'm really relieved Adam does not have any social media because omg I would be suffering so much rn...

I honestly have never emotionally connected with an actor so much as I did with him. His whole acting is so good and I could really notice on this last movie. I'm starting to watch his other movies. And not just his acting, he's so professional off camera too.

I'm really happy and proud of him for his Oscar nomination, he really deserves it TT

But I'm worried this whole John Boyega thing affects him. Idk how I would feel if I were in his shoes, if my coworker was saying those things on social media and then smile at me like nothing is happening. But honestly what hurts me the most is he's having a worse time with "reylos".. I think the rumors of him having an affair with Daisy Ridley was what messed things up. I honestly dont know if its true, I've got some info but it's hard to believe. Because there are so many haters manipulating fake info that I dont trust anything and anyone anymore.

And this is where I talk about:

REYLOS AND DAIVERS

BOI OH BOI

This is gonna be hard....

First of all, I don't consider Daivers (Daisy x Adam shippers) as part of the reylo community. I'm sorry. But its fucking disgusting you going to demand Adam to divorce from his wife, abandon his son and then start dating Daisy because of this rumor or because you can't separate fiction from reality.... I read he even recieved death threats ARE WE NUTS??? They (Adam and Daisy) having a good chemistry working together doesn't mean they are in love, kids...

Driver has an awesome wife and a lovely son. Daisy is currently dating someone.

Infidelity is gross. No more. And I would be so disappointed at them if this turns out to be true. But seeing all what's happening around the actors and specially having all this haters out there... I'll say this was all false information.

Daiver is not real and won't be. So stick only to the fictional ship.....

About Reylo itself. I find REALLY funny how people who dont know shit about what this ship means say it's an abusive relationship. Bullshit. I wouldn't be shipping them if so.

Also the people still stating it's not real/canon hiding themselves behind the "Ben solo is dead lol" argument. Do you stop loving someone when they die?

Yes, they love each other. No, it wasn't always reciprocated love. They started being enemies in the force awakens, friends who understood and cared for each other through force dyad in the last jedi and ended up being lovers at the end of the rise of Skywalker. Rey wants to revenge her family (her falling to the dark side) but also wants Ben Solo back, and he wants to be the most powerful leader on the galaxy and still being kylo ren. But they eventually meet in the middle between light and dark and Leia finally reaches out to him to make him turn to the light.That's their fight. That's the angst. That's the tea. "No one is ever really gone" there's always hope. Star Wars is centered in HOPE. And their story represents it at its finest.

NOW. The reylo community.

Despite you liked it or not the end they gave to the saga... I think JJ Abrams doesn't deserve all the hate he's receiving... he probably did a lot of things wrong but seriously... just stop. Not only from reylos but the whole fandom.

Sending hate won't lead to anything now...

I enjoyed The rise of Skywalker. Indeed I spent half of the movie crying and I loved it.

You can cry as much as you want the loss of Ben (although I have hope for him still being alive in a way, there are plenty of theories) but that doesn't give you the right to death threat JJ. And I think I'll stop here cause I'm already tired.

Everyone has their own taste, preferences, favourite characters, ships, whatever. I pray for people stop judging others for their tastes, specially in this cursed fanbase. Sorry if I ever misbehaved trying to defend what I think or like. I just want this place to be supportive and safe for everyone and everything what's happening is not helping... We are all SW fans and that's our connection point. Dont discredit others for having another point of view...

I'll leave it here, but I'm open to debate or talk about anything I said in a respectful way.

[rangerslayer-97]

Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker - An In-depth Review/Analysis

Here are my thoughts on TROS. Because I'm too lazy (or couldn't be bothered to use real words, I'm using the power of memes):

And to add salt to the wound:

I'm not looking for a fight/argument. This is solely my opinion. You do you, and I do me, ok? Good. Cause I hate to repeat myself.

There's so many missed opportunities in this film and areas that could have been explored in the previous film, the list would be far too long to type them out.

I certainly did not like the lore of the Dyad of the Force crap. It was just plonked in there and felt very lost. If anything, Rey following the path of Jedi should have been a no-go after the all the past failures. I understand anger and hate are negative emotions, but they're all a part of human nature and you can't just push them aside. The philosophy of the Grey Jedi, Jensaarai or even the old Je'daii should have been explored instead.

The war between Jedi and Sith is just so past it now, Disney fail to acknowledge the Grey or was it too much of a complexity for them? Rey wouldn't need to follow the teachings of the Jedi or even the Sith. Maybe learn both instead? She didn't have to be Rey the Jedi or Rey the Lady of the Sith. She could have been Rey the Force User. An affiliation wouldn't be necessary. Anyways, her character was poorly written and overpowered for all the wrong reasons. She just mastered Force Healing out of the blue with no formal training? I call that bantha poodoo.

Anyways, I'm just too tired and irritated by this film to make it a proper review/analysis. There's so many wrongs it will just drain me to write about it. Overall, as I said: I hated it. I hate the Sequel Trilogy between mediocre characters I rather forget their existence, poor writing, inconsistent lore... just everything. The scriptwriters didn't even have a plan and it was cash grab on Disney's part.

Oh well, I'm just gonna join Team Filoni, at least he's the one competent person who understands Star Wars, while I cuddle my Rogue One and The Mandalorian.

So yeah, that's my thoughts. Please be respectful of my opinion, I don't want to start a fight, I'm not here to make enemies and I'm just not in any mood to deal with any "Reylos" or Sequel Trilogy supporters to counter my opinion.

YOU DO YOU AND I DO ME.

[roxannepolice]

We're in the minority when it comes to making assumptions about the sequel trilogy though. Everyone I knew in the fandom before TLJ believed in Reyskywalker (granted I didn't know anything about the Reylo fandom then) and there are lots of people who still want that, or want Finnskywalker, because they want the ST to be the kind of trilogy that sends a specific message and has a specific story. I don't want to be like them, where I'm saying "Either X happens or this story is crap."

Yeah, I know full weel the feeling what if their theories seem to them as validly argumented as mine seem to me? But you know, believing that someone who’s gone through hell knows more than one who’s never left paradise, I should admit I was actually banking on Rey/Sky after TFA (though always keeping with bendemption and never thinking she’ll turn out to be a Skywalker instead of him) - and this is exactly why I can appreciate how completely different an experience the sequels became for me once I saw the light reylo and all its additional implications. Because after TFA I really thought next to nothing of this trilogy. For all I knew, the creators were too lazy to even come up with new villains, so why the hell shouldn’t they take care the generations’s Skywalker is an unproblematic cinnamon roll? So after TFA I was… disappointedly resigned to be effortlessly pleased rather than provided with some real cathartic drama. Rey could or could not be a Skywalker (aside from oh well parentage reveals are just a Star Wars thing, the only actual evidence for it being the case to me was Daisy Ridley having a similar face shape to Natalie Portman), good guys gonna beat the bad guys… maybe this time the redeemable sith lord will live to tell his tale, he’s young and hot enough for that. But more than that? Naah. Which is why TLJ with reylo and DJ’s speech on war machine came to me as such an impossibly pleasant surprise. I begun to see the potential of this trilogy to actually add something to the saga. Not that I’m naive enough to think Disney-LF doesn’t care for my money first and foremost but it no longer felt like paying to get mindlessly pleased. 

So I think, without really generalizing people, their ideas or predictions, that the difference between predictions including moral ambiguity, hae reylo and implicit bendemption and just banking on some last episode baby swatch to give the proper message is essentially that: whether you bank on an unproblematic pleasure or hope for some proper cathartic drama. Finn/Sky (and I really worry that could imply more strain on Han’s friendship with Lando than any carbonite freezing ever would) or Rey/Sky are simple answers. Bendemption is difficult - and that’s why it gives a better story. And as far as messages are concerned - I think TLJ is pretty self-explanatory with Rey taking the books out of the husk of the jedi tree that Yoda will set on fire anyway. The deeper message has to be dug from underneath the surface, essence of heroism from underneath Luke, jedi spirit from underneath the stiff order, redemption from underneath well Anakin’s fg appeared so I guess he’s redeemed. My only worry is whether they’ll have the guts to deliver on it in epix, because for my own part 3R=good=light side and empires=evil=dark side pretty much is one of the husks that the fandom has become too comfortably indulgent in. 

Which, on the other hand, isn’t the case with Kylo Ben’s redemption, as many seem to think. It’s not a Vader rehash, it’s a Vader trial. If the audience can’t forgive Kylo, then neither did they forgive Vader, if Ben doesn’t get redeemed, then neither did Anakin - again, I consider it a very valid theory that the reason why we’re not getting fg Anakin’s interventions is that his spirit actually isn’t at peace with the force now, not while his shadow still hangs over his grandson. Thus, Vader’s redemption depends on Kylo’s both in-world and beyond the fourth wall.

[tcookies]

Rian Johnson did NOT plagiarize TLJ from a fanfic

1) TLJ began shooting in September 2015. TFA was released in December 2015. Which means Rian had to have his story, script, and screenplay completed MONTHS before TFA's release. The author's fanfic series began on 1/25/16.

2) With a huge project like Star Wars to work on, and deadlines to meet, I doubt Rian could afford the time to read a fanfic with over 1 million words, and wait for its updates. You really think he checks AO3 everyday for a new chapter and as soon as one is up he calls the department heads asap to tell them hes revising the script for the 100th time? Look up what script changes he did make. Nothing to do with the fanfic.

3) Many of the ideas the author claimed Rian stole from are ideas COUNTLESS other Star Wars theorists have come up with as well. Especially the Reylos. That's why the Reylo community is celebrating because so many of their theories came true, such as the Force Bond and the use of it, etc. Many fanfics are based on these theories. That's why many of them share the same elements or plot devices. I have read over a dozen fanfics involving Rey and Kylo having a Force bond (I mean it was obvious anyways) and Rey using that bond to go to Kylo to try and save him. You're telling me the authors of those fanfics also copied each other's works?

4) TLJ BEGAN SHOOTING IN SEPTEMBER 2015 AND TFA WAS RELEASED IN DECEMBER 2015. DO PEOPLE NO LONGER USE THEIR BRAINS?

5) Bastila and Revan had a Force bond, developed feelings for each other through it, and one was a Sith Lord while the other was a Jedi. Are people going to accuse Rian of plagiarizing KOTOR too? Even though he's just using what was established back in TFA because YES we Reylos already knew Rey and Kylo formed their Force Bond in the Interrogation Scene in TFA. Snoke did NOT form it.

EDIT: 6) I said the script must be "completed" but I didn't say "finalized" there's a difference you know. Once the script is locked in, it is still open to revisions of course. Each time a revision is made, Rian must contact the department heads & talent and the revised scripts are printed and redistributed. If an investigation is ever done, they can simply check the script revison history to see what changes were made and specifically when. But the reshoots Rian made were: Poe's flight sequences, the addition of broom boy, fixing Holdo's condescending attitude, fixing Leia's scenes due to her unexpected death. The Fanfic author lists the ideas that she believes were plagiarized which are: Phasma's staff, Snoke manipulating Reylo's force bond to bring Rey to him (other fanfic authors have wrote about this too), Reylo fighting over the lightsaber again and the saber breaking (but if you saw my other post "Rey's Parents" you'll see how I foresaw this too). Rian's reshoots have nothing to do with the ideas the author believes were plagiarized from her story.

Please do your research first before immediately believing whatever someone says on the Internet. Always seek out the truth yourself for confirmation.

EDIT: Snoke did NOT form their Force Bond because of reasons many others also already explained. How could he have formed a bond between Rey and Kylo if he had NOT even met Rey yet? Also, I've been a hardcore SW fan since I was 5 and played the games and read the comics so I know a crap load of SW lore and I know how force bonds are created and used. So don't even try to educate me about SW lore or I will go Darth Traya on you (I'll just wait and see if anyone gets this joke). But if you really want, I can send you a whole essay explaining in layman's terms. Kylo and Rey even have another Force Skype session at the end of the film even though Snoke is dead. Why do you think this was shown? Writer's intention! I can practically hear my professor screeching this in the back of my mind. Rian had so much footage to cut down but he chose to keep that last Force Skype session in because that scene is meant to tell us something! Snoke just manipulated and took advantage of their Force Bond and amplified it but the bond was already there ever since TFA's interrogation scene. If you know your lore, you'll easily know why.

Maybe after everything I said, you still think the accusation is true. Whether it be because you've already had a hatred for Rian even before this incident, or just because you hated the movie, all I want is for you to just get on Google and do some research of your own. Do your own research, think about it, and come up with your own conclusion. Don't believe a rumor without seeking the truth yourself. If you heard some girl in your class sells her body to the school virgins, would you believe it? And yes, I just used Easy A as a terrible example.

Reblog if you agree so the antis can stop with all the bull.

[coppermarigolds]

If you don't mind me asking, what are your thoughts on reylo, and how has TLJ changed them?

I’m glad you asked, actually! That’s something I’ve been thinking about a lot since seeing TLJ, so thanks for giving me an excuse to get said thoughts down in written form. 

I’ll start by saying that I personally did not ship Reylo after The Force Awakens, though I can see why plenty of people did. They’re pretty; they have chemistry; he swoops her up in his arms and carries her off to his ship like Hades and Persephone. The interrogation scene in particular was a pretty charged sequence. The moment when Kylo takes off his helmet and the camera zooms in on Rey’s startled face, it was really easy to interpret that as an oh crap, he’s hot expression. Even I half-interpreted it that way and I didn’t even ship them. :p

The primary reason I was pretty iffy about the pairing after TFA (aside from thinking, at that point, that they might be related), was because of the whole vibe leading up to and during the interrogation scene. He forcibly renders her unconscious, abducts her, then invades her mind and uncovers personal information without her consent while looming over her and saying “You know I can take whatever I want” as she is physically restrained and crying. I don’t know if the screenwriters were intentionally drawing parallels to rape threats or not, but it’s uncomfortable and was actually quite upsetting to me the first time I watched the film. That she turns the tables on him and ends up reading his mind saved the scene for me, but still doesn’t entirely negate the previous creepiness. 

In TLJ, on the other hand, Rey essentially has all her agency back in their interactions. It’s interesting to compare and contrast their scenes in TFA versus TLJ:

In TFA, they both get into each other’s heads, but there’s that inherent underlying violence and power struggle. In TLJ, they have this mental Force connection to each other through most of the movie, but the fact that neither of them initiate it or can control it puts them back on equal footing. (Granted, there’s still a manipulative aspect to it if Snoke is telling the truth about being the one who established the Force bond, but in that case, Kylo was being manipulated just as much as Rey.) 

In TFA, Kylo abducts Rey without her consent. In TLJ, she basically mails herself to him of her own free will. Side note: I loved that her motivation in this was two-fold and that it was prompted by a Force vision. It would have been easy for the filmmakers to portray it as a clichéd “good girl tries to change bad boy with the purity of her luuurve” thing. But while Rey does have compassion for Kylo/Ben and wants him to be redeemed, she also has the purely practical motivation of wanting his strength in the Force to benefit the Resistance instead of the First Order, and she has a reason (the Force vision) to believe it will work rather than just blind naiveté. 

In TFA, they have a big lightsaber battle against each other. In TLJ, they fight together against mutual enemies. This illustrates another area where the filmmakers subvert what might be the typical toxic trope. After Rey defeated Kylo in TFA, conventional masculinity would dictate that Kylo be enraged and humiliated at having been beaten by a girl, and an untrained girl to boot (see: all the dudes post-TFA who insisted until they were blue in the face that Rey was a Mary Sue). But instead, after having his ass handed to him, Kylo changes his tune from threatening and domineering to restrained and even respectful. He recognizes her power and wants to add it to his own rather than freaking out, feeling threatened by female strength/competence, and immediately wanting to undermine or quash it. (Refer, again, to that certain noisy subset of the fanbase.)

In TFA, Kylo says “the Supreme Leader is wise” right before killing his own father in hopes that it will please Snoke. In TLJ (which takes place, like, three days later), Kylo chops the Supreme Leader in half rather than obey his order to kill Rey. 

The magnitude of that is actually pretty significant when you consider how long Snoke has been influencing Kylo/Ben. He’d been in Ben’s head since childhood, at least. I haven’t read any of the tie-in books (except Phasma which, unrelated side note, is awesome), but apparently one of the novels actually suggests that Snoke first started influencing Ben before he was even born? In which case, that he was able to break free from Snoke’s influence at all is pretty miraculous, and that Rey was the catalyst definitely says a lot about how he feels about her.

In TFA, Kylo is all about imposing his will on Rey. In TLJ, he asks her to join him. He even says ‘please’!

So yeah, overall, their interactions in TLJ make the idea of Reylo far more appealing and more in line with the pairings I usually ship. There’s still one caveat, of course, which is the now-infamous scene where Kylo tells Rey “You’re nothing…but not to me.” 

There seem to be two popular ways to interpret this scene. One is that Kylo is using a common abusive, manipulative tactic in which the abuser tries to get his victim to depend on him (e.g., “no one will ever love you but me; you’re so lucky that I’ll even have you”). The other is that the scene is something reminiscent of the Pride and Prejudice proposal scene in that Kylo is a conflicted, misunderstood, awkward guy, himself a victim of Snoke’s abuse and manipulation, who is trying to express to Rey how he feels about her in the best way he knows how and kind of royally mucking it up in the process. 

I personally fall somewhere in the middle on this scene. On one hand, I’m really hesitant to label a guy flatly telling a woman “you’re nothing” as in any way romantic or sexy. We’ve gotten enough of those problematic messages from the Twilights and Fifty Shades of the world, and if Rey had accepted Kylo’s offer at that point, I would have been upset. On the other hand, I do think it’s important to take characters’ entire contexts and histories into account when analyzing their actions, and I can see how interpreting Kylo as a Mr. Darcy-esque figure kinda works here. (Also, I love Pride and Prejudice.) And, Rey is not swayed by anything he says at this point, which is HUGE!!! I love that she sticks to her principles and refuses to compromise them. 

Anyway, I could probably say more, but it’s late and this post is already way long. So in conclusion, I would currently label myself as “cautiously shipping Reylo.” Some of the less-than-comfortable aspects I’ve mentioned here make me hesitant to completely and totally embrace it, but at the same time I recognize that there’s never going to be any such thing as a completely perfect ship with completely perfect characters. (That would probably be boring, anyway.) And there’s still a whole ‘nother movie for Ben to get his issues straightened out and become the person Rey deserves,* so there is definitely potential there.

*As much as that is possible, because Rey is the pure shining angry compassionate wonderful cinnamon roll moonbeam of my life and no one could ever be good enough for her lbr

[phoenixwrites]

I don't want to crap on happy Reylo shippers right now, but looking back over all my hero/villain ships, the ones that lasted longest for me had villains that had already shown love or empathy or worry or protectiveness or some combo of positive emotion toward a friend, spouse, kid, sidekick, henchman--somebody--before falling for the hero(ine). Villains who make only one (always romantic) exception to "kill everyone and rule the wreckage" creep me out. Wanting to fuck someone=/=redemption.

I’ve been trying to be extra diligent in tagging my crabby feelings towards Reylo, because sooo many of my darlings ship it.  And at the beginning of TFA, I was all for a redemption for Kylo Ren.  I like redemption stories.  They’re my favorite kind of stories.  But you have to set it up well and I don’t think it was set up well…particularly after murdering Han.  That’s not just me being personally upset by this character offing my favorite character, that’s a son straight up murdering his father after his father offers him a way out.  That is Kylo murdering Rey’s only father figure.  That is Kylo murdering Leia’s love.  Chewie’s best friend.  I still hear Chewie’s screams of anguish in my nightmares.  

And if they’re going for this tragic love story angle for Kylo and Rey…well, I can’t really get behind it either.  Part of how you do that sort of story is you have your villain do tons of awful things–to other people.  You can’t have him straight up torture our lead female character and expect me to buy this gentle soulful hand touch across the stars in the next film.  You can’t have him go from being a genocidal space Nazi to “oh, put a shirt on, you’re making me uncomfortable!” awkward flirtation.  That is being extremely tone deaf to the events of the first film.  

I also resent that our first leading lady in a Star Wars film is immediately relegated to the role of saving the tortured male villain.  If we’re going to have a romance for her, please have it be a romance between her and one of the rebels, ala Han and Leia.  I mean hell, the redemption we should REALLY be paying attention to is the redemption of Finn.  Not Kylo.  Finn’s redemption arc is how it should be done properly.  

Or no romance at all.  Wild concept.  

I was seriously almost there during the fight sequence.  I was so close to shipping it, it was just so beautifully choreographed and there was something intensely badass about Rey shouting his name and tossing him his lightsaber.  

But it passed immediately after he told her she was garbage, she was nothing–except to him.  That is manipulative gaslighting and I will not have it.  It is NOT romantic, why do I keep seeing it framed as romantic.  (Not from any of my mutuals who are Reylo shippers, who have agreed with me that it is gaslighting and gross and they do not approve of it because they are sensible people who I am proud to be friends with).    

Rey is not “nothing” to Leia.  Or to Han.  ESPECIALLY not to Finn.  Certainly not to Poe.  Definitely not to Luke.  Kylo is not the only one to see how remarkable she was and I resent that he tried to manipulate her into thinking that.  

Let’s see how fast I can tag this ask.

[toddcowardd]

some people i know are claiming that rey and kylo are holding hands in the trailer and that reylo is going to be canon. i don't want to see the trailer yet since i heard it spoils too much, but please tell me these people are full of crap.

those ppl are full of shit like the end of the trailer has a rly badly spliced together shot of kylo holding out his hand (but lmao it might not even by kylo bc the outfit looks nothing like his) but the shot of rey is from a completely different scene