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i feel like people forget that sometimes characters in fic are written like that because it's a reflection of real life.
people have sex without setting boundaries. people have unprotected sex without talking about their sexual histories or producing recent sti tests. people play with kink without discussing it ahead of time or establishing a safeword. they have anal without 'enough' prep or lube—they may even prefer it like that.
and none of this is really a fantasy. it's all pretty normal. you can feel that it's inappropriately normalised, and you'd probably be right! but it is normalised: one study found that 58% of female undergraduate students on the campus studied had been choked during sex. 20% of those students said that they'd never been asked if it was ok; another 30% said they'd only sometimes been asked if they consented. fully half! (non-paywalled journal article on choking during sex here, including these numbers.) despite a rise in stis of all sorts, condom use is declining. (pdf link to the full text of this study about declining condom use in the us; aidsmap article about an australian study with similar results.)
even when people do talk about things—sex or anything else—they communicate imperfectly. 'yeah, but don't go too far' is consenting and setting a boundary, and also relying that the person you're talking to has the same metric for 'too far' that you do. for some people, 'the trash needs to go out' is a neutral, factual observation; for others, it's a request that the person they're speaking to take out the trash.
even when people understand each other perfectly, people react unpredictably to things sometimes! we behave irrationally! people laugh uncontrollably at funerals, or get angry at the straw that broke their back rather than the enormous load they were already carrying. they get scared and lash out at people trying to help them. when hurt, most people do not instinctively reach for therapy-approved grounding exercises and 'i feel' statements.
pretty much any bad choice that characters could conceivably make is a choice that people make in real life, on purpose, all the time. people do things that can have catastrophic, life-changing effects because it felt like a good idea at the time, or they're leaning into the vibe, or they just didn't think about it all that much, or an infinite number of other reasons.
fiction isn't intended as a guide on the best, safest, and most responsible ways to live your life, and fanfic isn't any different. it's not a narrative flaw to let characters do things that are messy or harmful or downright stupid—it's a reflection of what people are actually like, and not something that authors should feel they have to apologise for.
#fandom#fanfic#writing sex#writing#writing advice#i guess#i know no one is going to read this#but it just bums me the fuck out#people are messy and imperfect#it's part of what makes us interesting and fun tho#characters should be allowed to be messy and imperfect to#echoes linger
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Ok I've been SUPER busy, so I am not going to be able to respond to Asks until the 25th. So many people have been having complex feelings about all the information and rumors that have been coming out this weekend though. That is valid, but personally, I haven't really been very phased by everything this weekend. Bringing this back around for some positive energy, and because I still feel as confident as I did last week about L/N. I will also add this:
Everyone here who has been following the story for a while knows that A trolls and does shady s**t. A therefore is not a very reliable source.
We really don't have any reason NOT to trust N.
Everything that has happened this weekend doesn't really surprise me based on all the L coded crumbs N gave us last week. This is A's MO. Nothing really new.
Reminder: WITHOUT RECEIPTS=BS until proven true. Unconfirmed rumors are not facts! And there have been soooo many rumors in this situation that ended up not being true. So we kind of just have to wait for more publicly available information, and understand that we're NEVER going to know all the facts.
Just because L still likes A's posts and hasn't liked N's recent posts DOES NOT confirm that he and A are still together, or that him and N aren't getting along. It just doesn't.
Lastly, BOTH L AND N are not perfect human beings, and have made mistakes in their lives. Human beings are complex and multidimensional. I think there is just a lot more publicly available information about L, which is why we have been focusing on him more. You definitely don't have to agree with everything he's done in his life (I know I don't). However, it's important to process your feelings in smaller spaces like this. It is not alright to directly spew hate online about ANYONE involved in this situation. It just causes more pain, and doesn't accomplish anything.
I'M NOT CRYING, YOU'RE CRYING 😭😭😭
#it's been a WILD weekend#But I'm still firmly on the ship 🚢#i've said it before and i'll say it again#PEOPLE ARE MESSY AND IMPERFECT#lukola#bless the telephone
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kind of insanely obsessed with gelphie but none of my friends fw gelphie as much as i do bc enemies to best friends to ??? to enemies to ??? again is the bread and butter of doomed yuri good god. they love each other. they only have each other in a world that tries to separate them into two different things. they respect each other's choices and ambition despite that love and attachment they have for each other. "if that's where you have to go, then that's where you'll go. but i'll always be here, on the off chance that you'll choose to be with me, instead." i know some lesbian from 2008 probably dissected gelphie to a much greater degree than i ever will and has said half of the things i'm saying but oh my god.
#junyaps#gelphie#glinda x elphaba#wicked#the tenderness they offer each other#the vulnerability that glinda shows elphie#when she's so used to “playing a part” for other people#she lets herself be as shallow yet as sincere as she can be#as messy and improper and imperfect#and elphaba#knows that glinda sees her for who she is#not her power#not her greenness#but for her inner strength#her fierce ambition#her inability to back down#but also her weakness#her impostor syndrome#her trauma from all those years of rejection and bullying#god i love gelphie
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#it's strange to have a self contained perfectionism. i know other people who wish they could control other people out of being chaotic.#people who try to make everything black or white. people who want to always be in control of their situation and the big dangerous vehicles#they travel within. but that's not how my control issues manifest. i think people are allowed to be messy and irratic. i like when#situations and ideas are nuanced. i would rather not be in complete control of my surroundings. the only thing i need complete and utter#control of is myself. i am not allowed to be messy. i want everything about myself to be black or white. i want to have complete control of#this human vessel. my perfectionism is self contained. and its deeply irrational. and deeply frustrating because my perfectionism is#imperfect and lazy. because im getting better and its difficult but easier than i would have expected. and rationally i know thats a good#thing but then all i see is my lack of conviction. if i was more perfect i would be worse. if i was more perfect someone would have noticed#how sick i was or would have actually said or done something. someone would have stopped me. so i wasnt really that sick and im not really#that sick now. and its not a big deal. because it all seems so easy now. so it seems like i was just a slightly odd very quiet kid with#control issues who stopped eating and never learned how to take up any space. and i get so fucking frustrated at every doctor i talk to#because they all treat me so gently and talk to me so cautiously and i know thats their job and i know they're saying the right things. but#its not like i stumbled blindly into this. i did it intentionally and maliciously. i know its a road paved in suffering and ending in death.#that was the point. this wasnt born of vanity it was born of malice. and youre only worried now because im telling you to worry so shut the#fuck up and let me fix my own problem. its just that i never intended to make is this far and that me of the past was trying to poison my#future. so i have 15yrs curroded and spongy from wishing death upon myself. and now that the idea of my box of ashes sitting on my dad's#mantle next to my mom's rips me apart i have to find a new path forward. even when all i can think is that i still wish i was worse#resenting that i have to get better when it feels easier to be distructive. if you hand me a knife my instict is to twist it in my gut. so#what now? its just irritating. because i always was and remain a picky eater so i have to choose to choke down whats on my plate.#anyway. just another adventure in the eternal paradox of internal perfectionism while being a compulsively analytical ecologist.#unrelated
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i don’t have bitter deangirl moments bc the only decision they made with him that actively makes me angry was how they killed him. if i’m bitching about something it’s bc i’m a cunty little guy who actually does love the choices spn made with my little guy but kinda hates fandom reactions to them
#fanon brain is what i find annoying#the interpersonal conflict within tfw is fun for me#i think sam and cas and dean having different moral codes or different solutions for how to follow the same moral codes to be FUN#i’m never mad that sam left dean in purgatory or that cas broke sam’s brain or that dean let gadreel possess sam#i WANT messy plot and imperfect characters who have to work through consequences#i DO however have bitter fanon moments bc holy fuck some of you didn’t watch the show#you watched like five destiel episodes reblogged some gifsets and read the fanfic#and i’m not a fandom gatekeeper but like cmon#and then there’s ppl who did watch but like. they’re bad at watching tv#sorry to sound like a crazy fringe samgirl but like that’s the only way i can put that#some people don’t know how to watch tv#how does it feel to be kin with my mom#watch the sodium intake
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The most heartbreaking thing is seeing how Dean’s written to be a really fucking messy parentified child (because ofc no child can be a proper parent to another child) who tries and wants to do Sam good and yet fails and yet still loves and cares for Sam so deeply, and then finding out that the fandom wants him to be the same boring eldest child as a perfect parent troupe we’ve seen a hundred times
#you…. don’t want him to traumatise sam? you…. don’t want him to be really fucking awful at it at times?#you just want to pretend that he’s absolutely perfect at being a parent?#you don’t want his idolisation of john to lead to him adopting some of john’s worst traits?#damn…… get better soon#‘child should never have been put in parent role. yes they did so well in that role and were a better parent than anyone else’ UGH#coming out as a hater of the parentified eldest child who is a perfect parent troupe#saying this as an oldest child of four who did essentially act like a third parent#i love when eldest siblings are messy and imperfect and dislikabe#supernatural#sam winchester#dean winchester#this is not dean critical he is so fucking hot to me when he’s objectively awful and nobody is sugarcoating it#half asleep idk if this post is coherent#might delete later idk#this also doesn’t mean he was just…. always awful ofc idk why people think people exist in extremes
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its occuring to me what specifically it is that therapists go to therapy for
#id always assumed it was yknow just a mix of things#and like nuance disclaimers thats still true yada yada thats not the point rn#but im thinking now that its more about. the weight#you have to be perfect. you have to be the ideal. you have to carry yourself perfectly and embody every principle youre trying to teach#you are responsible for other peoples ability to be happy‚ not just in how your action effect them here and now but#in what ripple effects any and everything you say could have#you are the authority figure‚ other people will listen to what you say‚ you can change the course of their entire lives#of course that would weigh on a person. how couldnt it#and how could you ever turn it off#how could you ever let yourself just be a person‚ messy and imperfect‚ when you know so intimately the ramifications of things like that?#and yet how couldnt you when you know that no one can be 'on' like that all the time?#do therapists actually go to therapy? or do they go to a support group in everything but name? surely the person#theyre talking too feels the same pressure‚ if not moreso#a part of me wonders how much it can really help‚ then‚ preaching to the choir. but a bigger part of me knows better#knows that the only difference between the choir and the rest of the congregation is the willingness to sing in front of others#either way‚ your audience already knows and agrees. its just a question of which direction youre facing#origibberish
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*beating you with hammers* SOMETIMES 🔨 THINGS 🔨 THAT 🔨 ARE 🔨 HOMOEROTIC 🔨 ARE 🔨 INTENTIONAL 🔨🔨🔨
#i think the issue is you guys are 'no true scotsman'-ing queer art#'REAL queer art could never be misogynist or otherwise offensive or even just distasteful to me personally#so it's just a bunch of straight dudes hating women so much they accidentally make something that looks gay. obviously'#sometimes gay men are misogynist and you would know that if you went to a gay bar in real life#sometimes gay people and the gay art they make is messy and imperfect#there's a whole lot of media this applies to but i don't want to start that much discourse#but this was prompted by seeing a tumblr post calling mgs 'accidentally queer'#and not five minutes later opening twitter to see unambiguous otasune ship art rtd by kojima himself
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it will always make me laugh how when anything negative about messi comes up in the news, people’s first reaction is to say he’s not the person that the media paints him out to be… i mean yes? that’s why i like him. he’s not a perfect dude, he was a brat during his peak years, he got heated on the field because he was overly competitive, he has issues with other players when they’re not performing, he sulks especially when things aren’t going his way. none of these things make him any less great or any less worthy of admiration.
#maybe it’s because i’ve followed him for so long#but i don’t understand how people were under the impression he was jesus personified#i like that he’s imperfect and messy (no pun intended)#just makes him feel more real#leo
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stuck in a world where you get one really good season of tv followed by a season so poorly written and paced it’s baffling. who will free us from this
#writers rooms getting high off their own supply or being messed with by producers#an interesting story with some flaws getting turned into slop with all characters losing original motivation or storylines crammed in#which inevitably go nowhere because we don’t have time to fix it#second season that takes a machete to all themes and character development and sensible pacing#iwtv is the only show really popular on this site that stuck the second season landing#was it perfect? no but nothing is. there are flaws but I’d rather have something made with soul#and thought and care which is imperfect and a little messy#then the pandering show. which keeps happening. never get your hopes up people#you’ll get a crappy second season people dickride for even though it is clearly significantly worse because they just want More#but the show will get cancelled anyway for a myriad of reasons and those dickriders will blame people who want good tv or expected more#it’s so maddening because I know these people can make good tv. so what the hell happened to you.
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What character do you think is underrated in pn2
...Dion. But maybe I'm underestimating the number of other people who blorbo this side character and its not just like me and two friends xD Though I also wish Frazie had more dissections and works. She's so interesting!
I think a great thing about Psychonauts is that every character is so unique and individual and creative, they all stand out in their own spotlight. And the fandom is really great about giving everyone attention. I can't think of any character that I haven't seen a lot of love for- because they're all lovable!
When I really think about it though, Truman is a good case for being underrated! He seems like such a great dad character. The fandom loves Gus, but let's not forget how Truman seems so caring and supportive of Lili. He's possibly a single dad, dealing with a whole organization and a little firestarter at the same time. Dilf Truman truthers where are you?
#truman final answer#psychonauts 2#ask bumble#dion aquato#frazie aquato#lizzie natividad#truman zanotto#but i think everyone is great#maybe lizzie out of the interns#since her sister tends to get more focus#they're interesting foils and I like her style and character#i've never seen#lizzie/frazie#i think it'd be cute!!!#donatella sometimes gets hate#which i understand given her actions#everyone in the game is messy and imperfect#but i like when people write her nice#good mom dona#<3 <3 <3 yes
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#is it so strange to like nuance and complication? i feel like in the last year ive realized im much more contrary that i thought#but i just feel like nuance is a good thing. ideas can be black or white on specific points. is blank bad? yes. next question. but issues#are often more complicated than that. are groups of people out there in the world doing bad things? yes and you shouldnt let them get away#with it but painting them as evil and inhuman is unhelpful if you want to solve social problems. people dont just behave#badly for no reason. and its not even just social issues. science is complicated. almost everything is more complicated that u would expect.#especially when ur working with whole systems. is that frustrating if ur trying to make a point or solve a problem? yes. but i thats what#makes it interesting. if the solutions were simple it wouldnt be as fun. maybe im alone in that. ive had that argument before. or in the#media i consume. the most complelling stories to me are the ones that r imperfect or fundamentally flawed. it makes them much more#interesting to talk about than something thats just good on all fronts. or in the fics i read. i dont want empty fluff where everyone's#happy. i want it to b fucked up and messy. its more interesting that way. media is more interesting when it gives me complicated feelings#does it make me sad that bad things happen to good ppl? yes but the world is certainly more interesting bc that is the case. its just#strange to watch ppl struggle with nuance as a concept. the internet is not a place of nuance. so its fun when u see someone who is#interested in having difficult and at times contentious conversations and has a willingness to admit when they make mistakes. and#its frustrating to watch internet dip shits attack them and try to hold them forever to misspeaks or uninformed statments that they condemn#after they inform themselves. and seeing it happen at a mass scale is like genuinely disorienting to me#as an outside observer. i cant imagine what its like to b at the center of it. but thats just how the internet is. full of freak behavior#that would b considered deranged if it happened in person face to face. Anyway. maybe im wrong but i think u should listen when ppl r upset#and not tell them theyre delusional when even if u disagree with their position u can see how they came to have that perspective#unrelated
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also, it's a toxic manifestation of the individualization of American society. you used to have unions, families, neighborhoods, clubs, sports teams, work mentors, church groups, coworkers, casual acquaintances, hell your local grocer, all of these people you would talk to every day and who would have roughly similar local concerns as you did. healing, growth, learning, venting, soothing - all of these things were community responsibilities, and if there was something lacking, it was up to the community to do better.
now that corporations and technology have weakened all of those real bonds and atomized us into consumers in content bubbles, it's up to each individual person to "work" on themselves. group religion becomes a personal spirituality. your unionized workplace becomes your personal hustle. your community softball league gets swapped out for a side gig that's more "productive" (and coincidentally, isolating). and the entirety of the injustices of the world become "mental health struggles", and it's up to you and your phone that is tuned to 24/7 panic and outrage to navigate it alone with expensive therapy and self-help books. oh and if you fail at any of these, it is your personal moral fault.
I'm not saying all the old structures were great or that people didn't used to have problems. I'm not saying everything about our new lens is flawed, or that no problems can be solved through individual work. but I'm shocked at how quickly and completely most people have fallen into a kind of bootstraps Protestant-work-ethic myth about every problem in their lives being a problem in themselves.
these are not all things we are supposed to do alone. you are not failing. no person is capable of healing themselves completely and perfecting themselves through raw effort. structural change and larger institutions are important tools in creating the life you want to live and the person you want to be. form community. help other people. have conversations with people with different views. stop making yourself the center of all the world's hopes and all its failures.
i keep thinking about how it feels as if we have developed ourselves an obsession with "healing" these days – and a friend said something that really stuck in my head – "if you're part of a community where you're always trying to heal, then that means that you always need to be sick". like i think that we're all taking this ideal of healing too far saying that everybody needs therapy all the time and resetting your gut biome or surrounding yourself with positive energy or whatever it is that you can come up with. you're always focusing on something that is "wrong" and that needs to be eliminated, after which everything will be okay again. it all sounds like just another way of maintaining an illusion of control over your life and i don't think it's doing us any good
#notes to self#wall of text#sorry OP but I'm very passionate about#isolation#through#individualization#hopefully not too off topic#I just get sick of everyone “working on themselves”#like it's a project that has an end point#or something you have to do before your real life starts#working on yourself is good!#but it isn't something you do in isolation#or to perfection#it's done through living#and it's done with other people#and it's messy and imperfect and nonlinear
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It's been several days and I'm still bothered by the many 3 (out of 5) star ratings for a book I just finished reading because
1) I enjoyed it a lot, and admire it from a craft perspective. I feel naturally defensive of my own enjoyment when I see others calling this work annoying or boring or meaningless. It was the first book in months I've been able to read through to the end without getting distracted and letting my library loan lapse partway through, it was genuinely compelling to me, and it had plenty of meaning about mortality and humanity and choice -- and what it means when the choice of life and death is in your own hands. People saying they didn't see any of that... I know it's honest to their experience, and it's fair in its own right, but it still bothers me that so many people said it on the book tracking app I use.
2) Several of the reviews hate the lead character, specifically, and I'm bitter about the inaccuracies of WHY they hate her -- I almlst want to reply to one reviewer in particular, "If you're going to have problems with a major character, have problems that are actually there on the page and don't invent them out of thin air." Some also hated the romantic sub-plot and said it had "unnecessary bodice-ripping" when I, personally, found it way less romance-focused than other fantasy novels I've read in the past. Again, this is probably a personal perspective thing, but compared to the books that faded to black or had a graphic sex scene every other chapter I'd say 2.5 scenes that involved so much as kissing and only 1 short bedroom scene through the entire book is pretty tame. It's fine to be upset that there was romance and/or sex, but at least be accurate about how much there was and how it was handled.
3) While I know this one is specifically due to my being a writer and that the issue it brings up is more nuanced than just "be so kind to everyone that you lose all your critical reading skills and/or ability to resonate emotionally with books and other forms of fiction," and that the average person is in fact unaware of what it means to write a whole novel or series, any review that says a book was bad or just wasn't their thing without acknowledging the work that the author put into it has the potential to discourage that author and/or others from ever making or sharing their work again and that can decrease the number of books in the world. Which sucks. It's hard to avoid, but it sucks. Sometimes I think I just shouldn't read book reviews at all, before or after my own reading of a novel/novella/series.
#sonder speaks#sonder reads#reading#books#book reviews#sonder rants really#all of this just culminates in me knowing I can't change what people do#and I generally shouldn't#but the things people are doing in the reviews of this book are unpleasant to me#also#the book is Uprooted by Naomi Novak#it's about a girl who expects to live her whole life in her little town only to become an unwilling wizard's apprentice involved in a war#the war itself being less against other humans and more against corrupt magical entities who always seem to be at least one step ahead#none of the protagonists have the full picture but they do all they can with the pieces in their possession#and the lessons they learn in that fight are fascinating and meaningful to me#there are some issues of course#it's not a perfect book#there are things that will annoy some readers and make others uncomfortable#I get that#but it subverts classic Western fairytales while bringing in elements of the Polosh fairytales the author grew up with#and it doesn't shy away from letting its plot and characters be messy and honest and real#and it speaks so poetically yet simply about everything from the high moments to the low#I liked it a lot over the 12 days or so it took me to read all 680 or so ebook pages on my phone#I did want lesbians or bisexual polyamory based on how certain character relationships were written and didn't get that#but that's one of its imperfections#it's still interesting#I'm still thinking about the characterization of one of the antagonists and how it was a foil to the protagonist#and how the choices of the main antagonist and protagonist practically set the themes of the book into your lap at the very end#but it doesn't feel forced or rushed#it gave me a lot to think about and to consider for my own writing and I'm glad I read it -- bad reviews aside
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Tips for writing flawed but lovable characters.
Flawed characters are the ones we root for, cry over, and remember long after the story ends. But creating a character who’s both imperfect and likable can feel like a tightrope walk.
1. Flaws That Stem From Their Strengths
When a character’s greatest strength is also their Achilles' heel, it creates depth.
Strength: Fiercely loyal.
Flaw: Blind to betrayal or willing to go to dangerous extremes for loved ones.
“She’d burn the whole world down to save her sister—even if it killed her.”
2. Let Their Flaws Cause Problems
Flaws should have consequences—messy, believable ones.
Flaw: Impatience.
Result: They rush into action, ruining carefully laid plans.
“I thought I could handle it myself,” he muttered, staring at the smoking wreckage. “Guess not.”
3. Show Self-Awareness—or Lack Thereof
Characters who know they’re flawed (but struggle to change) are relatable. Characters who don’t realize their flaws can create dramatic tension.
A self-aware flaw: “I know I talk too much. It’s just… silence makes me feel like I’m disappearing.” A blind spot: “What do you mean I always have to be right? I’m just better at solving problems than most people!”
4. Give Them Redeeming Traits
A mix of good and bad keeps characters balanced.
Flaw: They’re manipulative.
Redeeming Trait: They use it to protect vulnerable people.
“Yes, I lied to get him to trust me. But he would’ve died otherwise.”
Readers are more forgiving of flaws when they see the bigger picture.
5. Let Them Grow—But Slowly
Instant redemption feels cheap. Characters should stumble, fail, and backslide before they change.
Early in the story: “I don’t need anyone. I’ve got this.”
Midpoint: “Okay, fine. Maybe I could use some help. But don’t get used to it.”
End: “Thank you. For everything.”
The gradual arc makes their growth feel earned.
6. Make Them Relatable, Not Perfect
Readers connect with characters who feel human—messy emotions, bad decisions, and all.
A bad decision: Skipping their best friend’s wedding because they’re jealous of their happiness.
A messy emotion: Feeling guilty afterward but doubling down to justify their actions.
A vulnerable moment: Finally apologizing, unsure if they’ll be forgiven.
7. Use Humor as a Balancing Act
Humor softens even the most prickly characters.
Flaw: Cynicism.
Humorous side: Making snarky, self-deprecating remarks that reveal their softer side.
“Love? No thanks. I’m allergic to heartbreak—and flowers.”
8. Avoid Overdoing the Flaws
Too many flaws can make a character feel unlikable or overburdened.
Instead of: A character who’s selfish, cruel, cowardly, and rude.
Try: A character who’s selfish but occasionally shows surprising generosity.
“Don’t tell anyone I helped you. I have a reputation to maintain.”
9. Let Them Be Vulnerable
Vulnerability adds layers and makes flaws understandable.
Flaw: They’re cold and distant.
Vulnerability: They’ve been hurt before and are terrified of getting close to anyone again.
“It’s easier this way. If I don’t care about you, then you can’t leave me.”
10. Make Their Flaws Integral to the Plot
When flaws directly impact the story, they feel purposeful rather than tacked on.
Flaw: Their arrogance alienates the people they need.
Plot Impact: When their plan fails, they’re left scrambling because no one will help them.
Flawed but lovable characters are the backbone of compelling stories. They remind us that imperfection is human—and that growth is possible.
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Yeah I am an avid Kara Corvus watcher and had a similar experience. Get 10 big personalities in the same game and you're bound to have failed bits, disagreements, and some pissed off people who didn't have a lot of fun because they got ignored in the chaos of the game. It's happened to all of them at least once I bet.
I had only a passing familiarity with Travis's name and fame so going in blind, I also felt that Travis's rant felt a little out of nowhere and preachy, at worst condescending and annoying.. but if I remember right it reflected a lot of common sentiments of the group and to my understanding everyone involved moved on fine and I straight up forgot it happened. He stayed in their vc call late and had a neat convo on podcasting and streaming/entertainment career stuff it was cool. Thought he seemed chill.
Had no idea it was such a "big deal" til the sarahZ video as well. Insane to me that this one awkward rant was such a damning event.
really fucking sucks that the catalyst for the mcelroy brothers' "downfall" was when one of them *checks notes* displayed symptoms of the mental illness he was very open about, in a way that was deeply embarrassing but ultimately pretty harmless
#it makes me wonder how familiar the bulk of their audience was with livestreaming#like.... u watch them fuck up. theres streams that kara spends a GOOD WHILE pissed and upset for the same reasons travis was upset.#GAME NOT FUN WHEN YOURE DEAD AT THE START OF EVERY ROUND NO WAY#yeah idk what else to say its live. things happen and personalities clash. you move on.#i really dont have much to say in regard to mental health and personality disorder#just. people are messy. your favorite creators are messy and imperfect and can fuck up.#sometimes live on camera! you can chill out theyre FINE.
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