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Did Pen really choose to write so much about the Bridgertons in Whistledown or did she kind of have to constantly write about them because they’re the messiest bitches in the ton?
#bridgerton#if they were remotely normal about the courting process they probably wouldn’t have hardly been mentioned#penelope featherington#lady whistledown#colin bridgerton#violet bridgerton#anthony bridgerton#kate bridgerton#kate sharma#daphne bridgerton#eloise bridgerton#benedict bridgerton#francesca bridgerton#simon basset
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#bridgertonedit#polinedit#polin#dailypolin#colin x penelope#colin bridgerton#penelope featherington#spoilers#bridgerton spoilers#*#very very very important scene#have I mentioned that this is a important scene
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THERE ARE OTHER WAYS DID NOT GO WHERE I WAS EXPECTING IT TO OH MY GOD /POS
PENELOPE’S THEME AND INSTRUMENT?? ODYSSEUS BEING QUITE LITERALLY BACKED INTO A CORNER AND HAVING SEEMINGLY NO OTHER WAY TO SAVE HIS MEN BUT STILL NOT BEING ABLE TO BRING HIMSELF TO GO THROUGH WITH THE ACT (EVEN THO IT WOULDN’T BE A TRUE ACT OF BETRAYAL BECAUSE THERE’S NO ACTUAL CONSENT ON HIS SIDE AND IT WAS SOMETHING HE WAS ABOUT TO BE COERCED INTO)??? CIRCE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BEFORE AND BELIEVING THAT “BECOMING THE PUPPETEER” IS THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP HERSELF AND HER NYMPHS SAFE SO SHE OFFERS THIS “ACT OF PASSION” TO STILL HAVE A FORM OF CONTROL, AND THEN SEEING ODYSSEUS IS NOT LIKE THOSE BEFORE BECAUSE HE’S SO IN LOVE WITH PENELOPE (WHO HE HASN’T SEEN IN 12 YEARS) THAT HE REFUSES HER OFFER AND PLEADS BECAUSE IT’S NOT WORTH IT EVEN THO THATS THE ONLY OPTION HE’S BEEN GIVEN??? HIM CALLING HIMSELF A PUPPET MAKING HER REALIZE THAT THIS CYCLE OF ABUSE AND CONTROL ISN’T WORTH IT ONLY TO COME TO A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE SHE KNOWS WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE TRULY IN LOVE AND TO BE HURT, SO SHE OFFERS HIM AN ACT OF KINDNESS INSTEAD???
“Maybe showing one act of kindness leads to kinder souls down the road”
#JAY I AM IN YOUR WALLS#jorge rivera herrans#epic the musical#epic the circe saga#epic circe saga#epic odysseus#epic penelope#epic circe#circe#not to mention the vocal performances of everyone#GOD THE ACTING AND THE WRITING AND THE SINGING AND THE INSTRUMENTALS ARE SO *EATS IT CHOMP CHOMP*#i’m so relieved it didn’t go the way i expected from the demo#my worst fears were either odysseus being coerced or him cheating (ie a say no to this situation where they both fully consented)#i now understand why the Valentine’s release date#it’s not because of circe#it’s because of odysseus’s love for penelope#things odysseus will do for his wife: kill a child#things odyssus will NOT do for his wife: sleep with another woman#priorities#i respect it
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Started a new book series, and has been a journey...an Odyssey, if you will.
#poorly drawn odyssey#the odyssey#Athena#telemachus#penelope#odysseus#calypso#I also drew Phemius the bard and Antinous the leader of the suitors but I'll hold onto those for a while longer.#The Odyssey has been on my reading list for ages and I finally decided to just dive into the Robert Fagles translation.#*nobody* ever talks about how damn funny the Odyssey is. Oh my god. I have been howling.#The poor bard doomed to keep playing for this unending feast. The most unwilling court jester.#Penelope being introduced by her crying about how much she 'hates this song'.#And Telemachus is the goodest lad. The OG protag to set about on his heroes journey.#He is kind! He is soft! He yearns for adventure and finding out the truth! He wants to get back at his bullies!#He even gets a companion named Mentor. THE original mentor! Who is *totally* not a god by the way. Just a guy.#Not to mention how much Odysseus gets hyped up only for his first appearance to be him sobbing non-stop.#Honestly I was mostly motivated by the need to do research for a personal project but I've been having the best time.#I sincerely doubt my current audience has any overlap with classic Greek literature but expect a few more PD-Odyssey posts.#(Yes - I am familiar with Epic the Musical; this is not fanart of that adaptation).
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no little greek boy dont go on 4chan!!
antinous is an incel (real)
#epic the musical#epicthemusical#odysseus#epic odysseus#antinous#epic antinous#penelope#mentioned#penelope mention?!#odypen#meme
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what is wild to me is that in the span of 10 minutes penelope went from the idea of colin bridgerton even liking me back is preposterous! to a fucking marriage proposal from that guy 10 MINUTES
#he’s insane#not to mention the stuff that happened in between#bridgerton#bridgerton s3#bridgerton season 3#polin#penelope featherington#colin bridgerton
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the brunette haired bf and red haired gf dynamic is something that will always be dear to me
#the way that in all these ships the bf is so down bad for their gf#awae#anne shirley cuthbert#anne with an e#anne shirley#anne and gilbert#gilbert blythe#shirbert#stydia#teen wolf#stiles stilinski#lydia martin#bridgerton#polin#colin x penelope#colin bridgerton#penelope featherington#lizwes is an honourary mention only cuz how dare they break up
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has anyone gotten the idea that odysseus' storyline in hades 2 is a depiction/exploration of trauma over his SA and how he's blaming himself for things that were out of his control? because that's the impression i'm getting from what i've seen. he talks about "goddesses" as his "greatest weakness" and that "he's not one to say no to them"...
when mel invites him to the bath, he brings up mortals having different standards for intimacy than gods and how it usually has a more romantic/sexual connotation. she then asks if he's uncomfortable and he has a startled reaction and brings up circe and calypso again (but never actually by name)
(this isn't ship/romance bait btw. odysseus knew mel as a kid and they're stated in-game to have a sibling/uncle-niece relationship)
also he grew apart from penelope after his return, but the game makes a point of showing that his love for penelope and telemachus is what drove him on at all so that element of his character isn't brought into question
#i made a post abt it but deleted it bc it was speculating and i don't have the game bc i don't have a pc#but i found more screenshots and now.. i think it's a VERY real possibility they're going in this direction.#circe is in this game also. so i really need to see whether odysseus has any character specific dialogue about her#hard life when you can't even play the game and are hunting down bits of story from other people#hades game tag#hades 2 spoilers#sa mention#hades 2#hades game#odysseus#penelope#i don't have any hard coping shipper brain on or anything but like. just. thinking about where his character can go given what we know#guaranteed penelope will be in this game too from how much she's brought up. we'll probably meet her on the surface#SO ITS LIKE. story wise. are we going to make a wife forgive her husband for cheating on her#or are we going to make a guy realize him being assaulted wasn't the same thing as him cheating on the love of his life#and i am heavily leaning towards the latter.#it's like if he genuinely did cheat on her and they grew apart what direction would his story go in.#how will us as the player help him in the same way we helped achilles/patroclus or orpheus/eurydice
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... learned how to make memes...
#epic the musical#swap au#warrior!penelope#meme#funny memes#penelope of ithaca#she is very much in love#maybe mentiones her husband in every other breath...#odypen#odysseus x penelope#the crew counts how long she goes without mentioning ody#right now her record is 4 and a half minutes
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Penny: [huffs] What now? Levi: Déjà vu much. Penny: Shut up.
UNIDENTIFIED RETINA – ACCESS DENIED
Aster: Woah. Penny: Don’t suppose you can pick that? [Robin scoffed, shaking his head]
Jacob: Maybe one of these bodies would work. Levi: Jesus, no one’s dragging a dead body around-.. besides, the eyes are the first to rot. Tess: EW-.. how do you know that?
Levi: It’s basic anatomy! Aster: Nerd. Penny: Lol.
RETINA IDENTIFIED – ACCESS GRANTED
Levi: What the fuck, Robin?! Robin: I didn’t do anything! Jacob: You didn’t hack it?
Robin: No, I just looked at it! [Levi squinted suspiciously] Robin: What?! It’s not like I’ve been here before.
Levi: If you say so. Jacob: Pretty weird, either way. Penny: Whatever, let’s keep going.
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Penny: [groans] This place is even more disgusting than the last. Aster: Yeah.. if this is a prank, I’m way over it. Penny: Same.
Robin: Well, we’re stuck here until we find a way out. Tess: Great. Jacob: C’mon, let’s sit down for a sec…
[electricity humming]
#ts4#sims 4#simblr#ts4 story#sims story#forever in between#fib#fib invictus#robin finch#levi sears#penelope fletcher#aster caldwell#jacob sanders#tess mayfield#the hmmmmm intensifies more so!!#not as many votes going forward.. but still some fun ones!#and just know that all the votes so far are still having impacts#ehehuehu#also uh.. reminding everyone of the trigger warning list i mentioned at the beginning.....#for no reason!#>.>#ahem
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💙Polin Week💛 day four | Pen Pals ↝ 5 mentions of Polin exchanging letters to one another (in the show and in interviews) + 1 where the letters go unanswered
#bridgerton#bridgertonedit#polinweek#polinweek2024#bridgertoncastedit#polin#colin bridgerton#penelope featherington#colin x penelope#bridgerton cast#luke newton#nicola coughlan#luke thompson#dailybridgerton#perioddramasource#perioddramaedit#weloveperioddrama#gifshistorical#onlyperioddramas#tvedit#*mine*#bunnykaye#bkpolinweek#bkbridgerton#i admit that i was out of pocket for the last part of the caption JAKLDJSAKJDAK#ALSO THERE THE LETTER WRITING HAS TO MENTIONED IN S3 RIGHT???? RIIIIIGGGGHHHHTTTTT?????#I NEED ME A MONTAGE OF COLIN NARRATING HIS LETTERS AND IT BEING UNANSWERED PLS#bkpolinweek2024
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Anyone: Tell me though who's Penelope?
All of us: She's my wife
#the odyssey#epic the musical#epic#jorge rivera herrans#memes#quotes#epic the vengeance saga#epic the ithaca saga#epic the wisdom saga#epic the musical memes#epic the musical mention#odypen#penelope#ody#odysseus
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IM SHOCK RN
MY FRIEND
WERE ON CALL RN
AND HE JUST SAID “Have you seen that tiktok?” AND THEN SAID HOW WHAT IF EURYLOCHUS OPENED THE BAG BUT SINCE THEY WERE SO CLOSE TO ITHICA WHAT IF PENELOPE AND TELE WERE AT THE DOCKS AND WATCHED THEM GET BLOWN AWAY AND WHEN ODY HEARD PENELOPES VOICE IT WAS ACTUALLY PENELOPE
SOBS.
#epic#epic the musical#epic: the musical#sal mention#the odyssey#jorge rivera herrans#eurylochus#eurylocus epic#penelope#penelope of ithaca#telemachus#sal post#my post#SOBSS#I HATE HIM#HES HORRIBLE#I LITTERALY HAD TO PAUSE AND LEAVE THE CALL#HES SO EVIL
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wait odysseus is suicidal wait he was really gonna end his life the way he ended the infant’s wait the only people who’ve called him ody are those who hurt him badly/betrayed him wait “let me close my eyes” parallels penelope and telemachus begging him to “keep your eyes open” wait wait calypso was trying to talk him down and “stay in my open arms” unintentionally triggered the memories/hauntings of polites, eurylochus, his mom, etc wait wait athena held baby telemachus wait wait athena is dead?? wait wait wait
#my current thoughts on the lastest saga:#aka no thoughts only trauma and anguish#what just happened#i am in utter shambles#no wonder why the stream crashed midway through love in paradise so did i#i’m not okay guys#epic the musical#does the prechorus to legendary remind anyone of full speed ahead or just me#epic the musical spoilers#epic wisdom saga#wisdom saga#spoilers#epic the musical odysseus#epic odysseus#epic the musical telemachus#epic telemachus#epic the musical athena#epic athena#epic calypso#epic the musical calypso#epic the musical penelope#epic penelope#tw sui#tw suicide#tw suicide mention
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WARNING: MENTION OF SA AND R*PE PLEASE DO NOT GO ANY FURTHER IF THIS MAY TRIGGER YOU i need people to talk more about "hold them down". it's so messed up and the implications are so scary and oh my gooddd. just listen to it.
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my interpretation; we all heard the tiny violin bit at 'share her spoils.' violins are Penelope's instrument and, if you listen closely, you can imagine it's her screaming, and to antinous that's 'music to his ears.' this entire song made me recoil. you can hear the intent in his voice, how he's straight-up honest about wanting to sexually assault penelope because no one can stop him. telemachus can't stop him, and penelope can't, and odysseus is at sea, assumed dead holy hell the duality of jorge. he can make upbeat, happy songs like 'open arms,' he can make upbeat songs with horrifying lyrics such as 'love in paradise,' and he can make songs like this anyways feel free to add your own interpretation but any antinous defender's will not be tolerated
#epic the musical#jorge rivera herrans#eurylochus#epic the musical fanart#epic musical#epic the thunder saga#odysseus#the odyssey#odyssey#penelope of ithaca#telemachus#odypen#epic the wisdom saga#antinous#telemachus epic the musical#tw: sa#tw: sa mention#epic calypso#love in paradise#tw: r*pe#Youtube
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Okay, let's finally talk about EPIC's Apollo
I feel very compelled to say, first of all, that I do not dislike Epic. In fact, I am very fond of Epic and have been following its production and status very eagerly! I attend all the launch streams, I watch all of Herrans' update videos; I am, at the end of the day, a fan and I want it to be known that my words are spoken out of love and passion as much as they are spoken from a place of critique.
So really, what my problem with Epic's Apollo?
In the briefest possible terms; the choice to have Apollo be defined by his musical aspect in God Games is thematically strange. And not in the 'oh well in the Odyssey, Apollo was important to Odysseus and his family so it's weird that that wasn't kept in Epic' strange, strange in the sense that Odysseus' character arc since My Goodbye has been getting more and more obviously Apollonian and so it is positively bizarre that when we get to meet Apollo, the god seems entirely disinterested in him and his affairs. So much so that he is not even defined by any station that would indicate that he has been watching over and protecting Odysseus and his family.
What do I mean by 'Odysseus has been following an Apollonian arc'? I'm so glad you asked!
Remember Them is the last song in which Odysseus explicitly uses his sword until Mutiny where he must use it to defend himself against Eurylochus' blade. He uses it to help enact the plan to conquer Polyphemus and, due to Polites dying in that battle, Polites who wished for Odysseus to put the blade down entirely and embrace a post-war life, Odysseus also retires his sword. This is an action that symbolically separates him from Athena - and the image of Odysseus as a traditional warrior set for him in Horse and Infant - as much as My Goodbye physically separates him from the goddess and her war-ways - from this point onwards, Odysseus will no longer be leaning on Athena's wisdom or methods to solve his problems. Likewise, he will no longer be able to rely on her protection.
Odysseus thusly solves most of his upcoming problems through diplomacy and avoidance. He approaches Aeolus - a strange and ambiguous god (both in gender and in motivation) and appeals to them for help. Circe too, he approaches not with wishes to conquer or for revenge, but for the safe returning of his men and an alternate way forward. In all of these scenarios, there is some Apollonian element which is subtly interweaved alongside the influence of other gods; it is with a bow and arrows that Polyphemus' sheep is slain (and thus it is this Apollonian element which is at the root of Odysseus' spat with Poseidon), it is a vision of Penelope that warns Odysseus that his men are about to open Aeolus' wind-bag, Circe's peace offering to Odysseus is to refer him to a prophet of Apollo who has since died.
In this way, Apollo is walking alongside Odysseus for all of his journey after Athena departs - even in the Underworld, he is guiding him. It is Tiresias' proclamation that is the last straw for Odysseus, it is by the power of a mouthpiece of Apollo that Odysseus decides to embrace his ruthlessness. It is with the bow and arrow that Odysseus subdues the siren who sought to trick him, likewise, Odysseus does not attempt to undermine or escape the fate of paying Scylla's passage price - he knows of the doom about to befall the six men and quite unlike the rest of the journey until this point, he does not fight against it. This all comes to a head on Thrinacia where it is a blade which sacrifices the sun god's cow and brings destruction upon the crew once more.
My point with all of this is that when I heard the teasers for God Games years ago, it made perfect sense to me that Apollo would be Round One - he is not Odysseus' adversary and has no reason to oppose Athena's wish to free him. From other teasers about what will happen in the climax of Epic, Apollo will still be walking alongside Odysseus - it is Apollo's bow that Penelope will give the suitors to string. Likewise, it is Apollo's bow that will prove Odysseus' legitimacy and identity. That bow will be the power by which Odysseus hunts his adversaries and cleans out his palace - it is Apollo who is the avatar of Odysseus' ruthlessness, not Athena.
So tell me, truly, what was the point of having Apollo raise a non-argument in God Games? Why have him appear unconcerned, aloof and slightly oblivious? Why have him appear in his capacity as the Lord of Music at all?? And if the intention was never to make Apollo an active player in Odysseus' life like he was in the Odyssey, why keep Odysseus as a primary archer?
The answer of course is that Apollo is inextricable from the fabric of the Odyssey - his influence and favour exudes from Odysseus just as much as Athena's. In Athena's ten year sulk, it would have been Apollo who kept Telemachus and Penelope safe. It would have been Apollo protecting Odysseus from Poseidon's gaze as he travelled the seas (according to the Odyssey anyway)
Forgive me for not being excited about something that I thought was being purposefully set up. I was extremely ecstatic about all of the little Apollonian details that litter the sagas because I know where this story ends up (loosely) but all God Games did was reveal that maybe those Apollonian details were not intentional at all, but merely the ghost of the Apollo who persistently haunts those he favours, even if he cannot explicitly come to their aide in an adaptation.
#ginger rambles#apollo#odysseus#epic the musical#athena#This of course is not mentioning the whole 'in the Odyssey the suitors have been explicitly praying#for Apollo to kill Telemachus so they can have free reign and Apollo is just going 'what's that? I'm sorry I can't hear haters' thing#I'm actually so disappointed by Apollo in God Games because I truly did believe that it was leading up to Apollo and Athena#BOTH being by Odysseus' side in the end#I really like the fandom view that Apollo used the sirens as an excuse because he has nothing against Odysseus#but in order for me to give that any merit there would have needed to be something in the text itself to support that#And Apollo only has the three-four lines which like - in and of itself is crazy#I really wish Apollo and Hephaestus had full verses like Aphrodite/Ares#Or at least a back and forth like Hera#The milquetoast Apollo who is apparently upset about murder but then only took a light rebut for him back down#I'm sorry have you not seen Apollo when he's mad about murder before? He's not that reasonable I promise you#I'm just not going to talk about him being mad about the sirens specifically if I think about that too long I'll get hives#Looking very forward to when Penelope finally gets her song 😭😭😭#Cannot believe you still don't have your song debut my queen the Odysseus economy is also in shambles
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