#it’s because of odysseus’s love for penelope
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Epic Fix It and Time Travel
TW/ Mentions of non consensual touching
Epic Fix It where Odysseus finds himself back to moments before he yeets Astyanax out of the tower and this time around he decides that the gods that fucked around will find out because he's done with everyone's shit.
So he goes against Zeus' orders and doesn't kill the baby and takes him with him, and this time around he order Polites to stay inside the ship as they get to Cyclops' island.
This time he's prepared and laces the wine with a lot more lotus and is successful at killing the Polyphemus but something goes wrong and the creature finds out his name before Odysseus kills him.
They are nearing home when Poseidon shows up so this time around Eyrulochus doesn't open the bag because no one is starving and no one is questioning the King.
This time around Poseidon can't say shit about Odysseus not being ruthless but he's still pissed off but this Odysseus has zero fucks to give.
Athena praises him for his quick thinking and blablabla.
He opens the wind bag right in the middle of Poseidon's speech and gets himself and his men out (and he still has the sheep they killed too).
They end on Circe's island and Hermes helps Odysseus but this time no one gets turned into pigs ans they don't have to go to the Underworld.
However, they do have to go through Scylla and Odysseus decides to be honest with his men and warn there's a price and that 6 of them will die. Polites is at this point trapped inside of a place because Odysseus knows he'd want to offer himself as bait.
Now, we could debate whether or not Scylla would be picky because if not they could offer the sirens as bait to evade her but what do you guys think? Either way, either 6 random men die or sirens do.
Odysseus slowly starts to fall apart but Polites presence keeps him grounded, and he constantly gets amused by his friend that smuggled a winion onto the ship and that keeps playing with Astyanax.
In this version, I want Polites to be in love with Odysseus but you know Penelope ( 🎵 banana peels, banana peels 🎵) is the only person he loves so unrequited love it is - it may be a bitch but I do think it'd be interesting if we switched Povs)
And all things considered, they end up washing ashore Calypso's island, and she is her usual pushy self and Polites is like hell no, he absolutely won't allow Calypso anywhere near Odysseus and neither will he for that matter.
He understands the pain of loving someone and not being loved back, but he always respected Odysseus and his heart and he expects everyone else to do the same.
But all of his 593 men are alive and Calypso nevers hurts any of them and Odysseus begs Calypso to let his men go and he will do whatever she wants but Polites and Eurylochus but their foot down.
Also, Calypso hates Polites almost as much as she hates Penelope and Polites doesn't know the only reason he's alive is because Odysseus agreed to sleep next to her (not sexual but honestly that much better because she keeps trying to touch him).
Once Polites finds out he feels extremely bad.
Anyhow, Athena comes and saves the day with Hermes, they get released and are about to get to Ithaca when Poseidon shows up like a sore loser.
And from then on I don't know lmao.
I honestly don't think I'll ever write this so if anyone wants to, be my guest.
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I was listening to the Vengeance Saga, specifically "Charybdis", and had a bit of a eureka moment about the line"I am almost there, my love, don't be scared". Every single other time I've listened to that line, I always thought Odysseus was either telling Penelope to not worry about him/his safety anymore because he was finally home safe and sound, or saying she didn't have to be afraid of the suitors anymore because he had returned now and would get them the fuck away from her faster than you can say "I am the monster rah rah rah"
HOWEVER as I listened to it for what is probably the hundredth time, a third option came to mind: he was telling Penelope not to be afraid of him when she sees him after twenty long years, and sees what he has become.
P.S: HUNDREDTH IS A STUPIDLY HARD WORD TO SPELL WHAT THE FUCK
#odysseus epic the musical#epic odysseus#penelope epic the musical#epic penelope#epic the vengeance saga#the vengeance saga#charybdis epic the musical
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It's his greatest fear, isn't it? The reason he tried to resist becoming the monster so hard and for so long. Because he knows she loves the man who left Ithaca twenty years ago, but if the man who returns is no longer him, why would she love him?
And that's why the question isn't "do you still love me" but "would you fall in love with me again".
And while it may take a while, as learning to know someone (all over again) can be expected to, the core of Penelope's character is that her answer will still be "yes". Because the two of them are homophrosyne, of one mind, (soulmates even, if you want to translate Homer to tumblr speak), and Odysseus isn't the only one who's had to struggle without his other half for twenty years.
Slight Epic spoilers but we all know the song “would you fall in love with me again?”
We know Odysseus can barely even acknowledge who he is, let alone like himself. And we know Penelope’s going to love him anyways, despite the atrocities, but
What if she didn’t?
What if, after 20 years without this man whom she loves, she feels so much relief to see him again. But as it sets in, and relief fades, it’s replaced with…what?
Love?
Does she love him any more? She’s lived a lifetime without him, and now that he’s back, he’s an entirely different man. Riddled with trauma responses and PTSD, guilt and empathy beaten out of him, and ruthlessness burned into his soul. No longer young. No longer tender.
Does she still love him?
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THERE ARE OTHER WAYS DID NOT GO WHERE I WAS EXPECTING IT TO OH MY GOD /POS
PENELOPE’S THEME AND INSTRUMENT?? ODYSSEUS BEING QUITE LITERALLY BACKED INTO A CORNER AND HAVING SEEMINGLY NO OTHER WAY TO SAVE HIS MEN BUT STILL NOT BEING ABLE TO BRING HIMSELF TO GO THROUGH WITH THE ACT (EVEN THO IT WOULDN’T BE A TRUE ACT OF BETRAYAL BECAUSE THERE’S NO ACTUAL CONSENT ON HIS SIDE AND IT WAS SOMETHING HE WAS ABOUT TO BE COERCED INTO)??? CIRCE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BEFORE AND BELIEVING THAT “BECOMING THE PUPPETEER” IS THE ONLY WAY TO KEEP HERSELF AND HER NYMPHS SAFE SO SHE OFFERS THIS “ACT OF PASSION” TO STILL HAVE A FORM OF CONTROL, AND THEN SEEING ODYSSEUS IS NOT LIKE THOSE BEFORE BECAUSE HE’S SO IN LOVE WITH PENELOPE (WHO HE HASN’T SEEN IN 12 YEARS) THAT HE REFUSES HER OFFER AND PLEADS BECAUSE IT’S NOT WORTH IT EVEN THO THATS THE ONLY OPTION HE’S BEEN GIVEN??? HIM CALLING HIMSELF A PUPPET MAKING HER REALIZE THAT THIS CYCLE OF ABUSE AND CONTROL ISN’T WORTH IT ONLY TO COME TO A MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE SHE KNOWS WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE TRULY IN LOVE AND TO BE HURT, SO SHE OFFERS HIM AN ACT OF KINDNESS INSTEAD???
“Maybe showing one act of kindness leads to kinder souls down the road”
#JAY I AM IN YOUR WALLS#jorge rivera herrans#epic the musical#epic the circe saga#epic circe saga#epic odysseus#epic penelope#epic circe#circe#not to mention the vocal performances of everyone#GOD THE ACTING AND THE WRITING AND THE SINGING AND THE INSTRUMENTALS ARE SO *EATS IT CHOMP CHOMP*#i’m so relieved it didn’t go the way i expected from the demo#my worst fears were either odysseus being coerced or him cheating (ie a say no to this situation where they both fully consented)#i now understand why the Valentine’s release date#it’s not because of circe#it’s because of odysseus’s love for penelope#things odysseus will do for his wife: kill a child#things odyssus will NOT do for his wife: sleep with another woman#priorities#i respect it
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my dear penelope, we've twenty lost years of love to make up for.
#odypen#odysseus#penelope#greek mythology#GRAAHGHG this was fun to work on even if there are things id change#i was just having fun coming up with a penelope design and then. oops made a whole piece#does it make sense for their olive tree bed to have an ocean view NO but it's the aesthetic tm#originally I had the room closed off but the sunrise colors drew me in ..... i couldn't resist......#I just. think about all of the time they spent apart and yet they still adore each other so much!!!!!#they are THE definition of love imo.#i wanted to give them olive leaves or twigs but it got too cluttered and wonky feeling#i also initially had penelope with olive leaf earrings but changed it to the clasps on her dress#but i think she'd have an assortment of olive themed accessories and whatnot#clasps and hair pins and earrings and necklaces and all of that. because the olive tree represents their love!!!!#the odyssey
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To add onto to what I mentioned about aroace stuff, I think it's just in general. sometimes I look at ships and I don't get why they like each other? Like I think it's cute but when I think about it a little bit, I don't really understand it fundamentally. That could either be a product of being aroace, raised heavily religious and conservative, or a weird concoction of all three lmao
I think this is part of the reason why my favorite pairings are usually already established/married. Otherwise I just! Don't understand
#Odysseus and Penelope are fun to me because I may not fully understand whats going on with them#but they spent the entire poem trying to get back together and I respect that and will in fact enthusiastically cheer them on#their love is evident enough that im kinda of just like yeah get it girl#you Do deserve to see each other again
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How many times do i have to say Odysseus is my babygirl, meaning he is a pathetic wet man who fucked around and found out so hard he made himself a name out of it
#the odyssey#odysseus#epic the musical#you know apart of nobody#like my man literally doxxed himself just because#epic Athena was right to ditch his ass#in general i would have chosen Penelope instead of Telemachus as my new protegee#also i love him because he goes on a murder spree against the suitors :D
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a concept. to consider. what if. what if there was a Remember Them reprise after the Thunder Saga. "We are not to let them die in vain" except he's the only one left so it's "I am not to let them die in vain." and there's no backing chorus of his men. because. they're all dead.
and the line takes on a whole new meaning now that he's the one who chose to let them die.
(not in vain. it can't have been in vain, it can't have been for nothing. i have to see her. i have to see her, because if i don't make it home, those men died for nothing. the ends always justify the means. i can justify anything as long as it ends with Penelope and Telemachus both in my arms again. but if it doesn't-
but it will. it will. it has to.)
and our- ... -and my comrades will not die in vain...
#epic the musical#epic: the musical#epic: the thunder saga#epic the thunder saga#do i actually think this would happen? uhhh.....idk. probably not? maybe? but do i think this could be a neat concept if it did happen? YES#i love the idea of odysseus using the deaths of his men as further reason to get home because he thinks that will make it worth it.#“the end always justifies the means”#and at the first obstacle he faces it's like. oh. what if there is no end- NOPE. NOT THINKING ABOUT IT. I'M GOING HOME AT ANY COST.#because if it was all for nothing then the guilt would crush him!!! he has to believe he'll see penelope again!! she's all his power!!#and. and his comrades will not die in vain....#in other words: HA. Local Tragedy Protagonist Believes Attaining His Goals Will Absolve Him Of The Blood He Spilled To Attain Them.#who's gonna tell him that the man who gets to make it home alive is no longer him...... oh? he was already informed? oh okay i guess.
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Hi. I'm cyberbullying a long dead poet because of his shitty fanfic. Enjoy. I'd love it if you joined me.
(Before you get mad at me, yes, I know Eugammon of Cyrene is an important figure and all that. I'm sick with some sort of flu. Let me cyberbully an ancient dead fanfic writer in peace.)
#I think my favorite is the astronaut one lol#because I wanna see Homer fed up and just start taking people out.#Also Penelope not putting up with some little shit.#You know what? I'm gonna be a bitch to people who bring up Telegonus to me and be like “Oh? You mean Polites' son?👁👁”#just to fuck with people >:)#Can you imagine how confused and mad people would get at me??? I love it.#Eris threw the Golden Apple into Thetis' and Peleus' wedding and I threw this shit into tumblr#guys I'm on weird flu medicine aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa#I have not slept much because of it🙃#Mad rambles#am I funny yet?#shot by odysseus#anti circe#anti madeline miller#tele-GONE-y#odysseus#penelope#odyssey#the odyssey#tagamemnon#greek mythology#odypen#greek myth memes#Mad memes#penelope of ithaca
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Ngl I'm pretty weirded out by depictions of Circe that make her characterization as motherly when her myths are *reads notes on hand*
Turning Scylla into a monster because she was jealous her lover liked her.
Making Odysseus sleep with her after turning his men to swine and discovering he took moly.
Turned Picus, a married man, into a woodpecker because he said no to her sexual advances.
#hades 2#hades ii#hades game#epic the musical#im all for modern retellings but kinda with hades in the hymm of demeter#people seem to get it twisted who exactly the villain was in stories she pops up#greek mythology#circe#odysseus#hades#i only like this circe take in epic the musical since its used to make sure Odysseus doesnt have romances with anyone other than penelope#if you would even call Circe and Odysseus' relationship a romance#i would like to find a story that keeps circe as the villain she is because like i love evil women#my favorite woman in greek myth is medea
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(check the tags for more and also the tag for other fics in the story!)
athena, scowling as she gets bullied into marrying the people she pined over for the last 1000 years, suddenly realising something: wait a minute
odysseus: what?
athena, frozen: wait a damn minute you know what this gives me rights to do
penelope, also realising: oh fuck yes
odysseus: I don't like the sound of whatever's happening here what are you two fucking talking about?
athena, grabbing the marriage wine and tossing it back, then kissing her new wife and husband and handing penelope a spear as she picks up a mace: we'll be back shortly, you can start celebrations without us.
penelope: do u have anything that can start a fire
athena, pulling out an old contract and scanning it before throwing it over her shoulder: yes. are you scared of heights or can we fly.
penelope: fucking bring it I've waited years for this moment
zeus: where are they going
hermes, picking up the contract: they're going to... Ogygia? Oh fucking shit they're going to fucking kill Calypso- hey, hello, WAIT-
#odysseus disappears midway because athena plants one on him so hard his soul evaporates#(strategic to make him stop from coming after them and also from passion she forgot to hold back for once)#(and also shes maybe possibly in love and cant wait to get vengeance on Calypsos bitch ass who hurt him so much for so long)#penelope has had to deal with calypos afteraffects for literally the rest of their lives. from flashbacks to odysseus inconsolably crying#at her feet for forgiveness some days even though shes always said frim the first moment that it wasnt his fault#the rest of the gods have to chase them down to prevent them from eternally torturing calypso (goddesses cant die <3)#athenas blazing mad and sick with guilt and horror. she couldn't attack before because it would be seen as an attack from olympus#but as a wife! as two wifes! no political implications there no holds barred calypso gets her ass BEAT#but also pls imagine them chasing her and gods chasing them round and round the island while screaming#odysseus wavered like 17 times on whether to ask hermes for a lift there or not but goes in the end#their honeymoon in truth ends up being on ogygia#athena lovingly and seductively teaching penelope how to fillet a person both of them covered in ichor#odysseus with a hand over his mouth blushing grinning tears in eyes torn between turned on and terrified to be back and crying coz they lov#him that much.#((he goes to her just before they leave in the cave she used to drag him to. she can barely hold herself up and hes shaking to approach))#((but he's stronger now. settled and satisfied and content. he kneels by her and sets down bandages next to her.))#((i told you i was married he says. and because his truest weapon is his tongue- if youd just listened i wouldve found us both a way out))#she sobs and he leaves. the scars will never fade fully but he feels lighter as he steps out into the sun where athene and pen are waiting.#bloodsoaked and being shouted at by hera but smiling at him widely and gleefully as he approaches. takes a hand each and presses him btwn.#he squeezes back with a smile and leans into them. his beautiful horrifying wives#odypenath#odypenetha#odysseus#penelope#athena#odypen#odyath#penath#epic the musical#love in paradise
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Wait hear me out Athena with a tapestry cape that penelope made her and owl themed wooden jewelry that odysseus made her
#epic the musical#The odyssey#Athena#Odysseus#Penelope#Concept idea for how Athena looks#Hey hey the somewhat aggressive reminder that penelope is also one of athenas chosen#Penelope is athenas weaver aspect#And also the shear amount of times that Athena found penelope crying instead of sleeping and then soothed her to sleep and#Made sure she had good dreams??#Listen listen Athena loves THE WHOLE FAMILY INCLUDING PENELOPE#Athena really just choose one family (and diomedes) and was like these ones are mine okay#Daily reminder that Athena just lives in odysseus house#Athena: wait penelope what if this time you made me a cape of diomedes stabbing Ares#Athena: penelope please I have a party i have to go to and it would be so so funny#Also yes. Athena has kept every carving odysseus made her#Yes they are on a little shelf in her Olympian temple#Yes she will murder you if you point it out#Headcanon that odysseus gave her his very first wood carving#Yes it's awful (as first projects are) yes it's Athens favorite#She and telemachus color together because they're sleep over girlie pop bestie together#Yes she keeps those too#Athena loving (1) one family more than anything
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Do you think King Odysseus had a balcony overlooking the sea? A sea once so peaceful, of water lapping at the shores. Do you think he once saw beauty in it?
Do you think that Odysseus stared out at the sea during his odyssey, a reminder of home? Do you think he heard the waves and thought of sitting on his balcony with Penelope? Do you think his view is forever painted with grief and suffering after coming home?
Sketches under the cut
I wasn't planning on actually painting these, but...
Do you think that Odysseus would want to remain still? To go somewhere would be to leave, and whose to say he wouldn't be sent on another odyssey? Could he handle being separated from his family for yet another adventure? How much longer until he breaks?
#art#digital art#fanart#original designs#i guess#epic the musical#epic odysseus#epic penelope#odypen#odysseus#penelope#god these two make me sick /j#epic#digital painting#i love shading#i avoiding saying “go” because Odysseus wouldnt want to go anywhere after the Odyssey i think
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reigning queen of ithaca, the lovely penelope
@bookwormgirl123 hello sweet person. your reblog of my trio post yesterday made my heart smile so enjoy more of my naiad muffin <3
bonus mama and son doodle:
telemachus rarely sees his mother with her hair down both literally and metaphorically. single handedly ruling a kingdom is no easy task yet somehow she manages to do it whilst raising the sweetest boi ever.
here he asked for his favourite story of his father... how he won her heart :')
#the first one says 'dare i dream?' btw#its been a rough 20 years#oh and the title mirrors the last few lines in remember them >:)#because we havent suffered enough lol#my art#the diadem is so off centre omfg#if u squint enough it looks okay XD#i love odypen sm you guys dont understand#penelope of ithaca#odysseus of ithaca#odypen#epic the musical#the odyssey#telemachus#my sweet darling boi#u deserve the world
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Odysseus: Honey, I’m home! Did anything happen while I was gone?
Penelope, as the servants roll 108 barrels of hydrochloric acid out the back door: No nothing much
hdhdhdh (੭˃ᴗ˂)੭
penelope wasn't going to let having her son punched/hit & being belittled slide... and of course the threat of them trying to take her husband's throne but nobody touches her 'little wolf'!
(like really antinous you thought beating up the prince of ithaca, and then telling him to go cry to his spartan-blooded mother was the best course of action??? man sealed his own barrel fate)
but yes i love when people don't think of penelope as weak or unable to handle herself.
she was born and raised in sparta. she is the daughter of a spartan king and queen. she is half-naiad. she is as cunning and full of tricks as her husband. she is the queen. she is a mother. nothing would be able to defeat her.
#odysseus loves his wife#yes of course he worries for her and any harm that could come to her#but the man saw what she was capable of when he met her in sparta#that accompanied by her wit and beauty?#how could he not fall head over heels in love with her?#odysseus may have swiss cheese'd a god#but penelope is also someone the gods should be wary of#calypso better be counting her lucky stars her island stays unknown#because penelope would be willing to test the “goddesses can't die” theory if she knew where she was#can you tell i love penelope?#odysseus epic#penelope epic the musical#epic the musical#epic: the musical#odysseusnonsen#those are more of my nonsense thoughts#o3o-lapd-o3o asks
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To the Epic: The Musical fandom, I’d like to tell the story of how I got into said musical.
My bestie came over one day and said, “We’re gonna watch some animatics of this musical I think you’d like.”
I said, “Sure, why not? I’m a big theater nerd, and I’m already into stuff like Starkid🤷🏻♀️.”
So anyways, she threw me into the deep end with a “Just A Man” animatic. Then the climax of Odysseus carrying the baby toward the wall was approaching.
MIND YOU I’m a big softie when it comes to kids, so I didn’t like where this was going.
I turned to her, dead serious, and was like, “Girl, are you about to make me watch infant death?”
She only gave me a smile that was like, “heh😅”
Anyways long story short I love this musical with my heart and soul now-
#to be clear: I fell in love with the musical because of the music and storytelling not because a baby died#epic the musical#epic the thunder saga#epic odysseus#epic the troy saga#epic eurylochus#epic zeus#epic penelope#jorge rivera herrans#mr jalapeño
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