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hannaxjo · 2 years ago

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Everything wrong with Steve Roger's ending

Steve’s ending sucked. It was bad. Terrible really. And there are so many reasons. It doesn’t make sense, it’s just a bunch of plot holes, it’s out of character and I hate it.

One of the things that was said more than once, was that you can’t go back in time, change things, and therefore change your future. Because your future is now your past, and you can’t change your past. Instead, you would create a new branch in the timeline. So…do these rules just not apply to Steve?

If it went as it should have, and he created a new timeline, how did he end up on that bench? He should’ve been stuck on that other timeline, and if he somehow got out of there as it was planned, he should have ended up where he left. That machine was his way of traveling, how would he end up on the bench? It doesn’t make any sense.

And if it was the same timeline as it is insinuated in the movie, well that just goes against the rules of time travel, that the movie told us. And even if it was possible, him being there would have changed so many things. What about Peggy's husband and kids. The claim that “Steve was the husband the whole time” is just garbage. (That would make his kiss with Sharon just that much weirder). Just, no. And I think, I think, someone might have noticed if Peggy Carter just got a husband who happens to look exactly like Steve Rogers, and ages at an unusually slow rate. (Also, how old would the Peggy be that Steve went back to? He sure as hell ain’t the same guy that Peggy kissed all those years ago anymore.) Anyway, isn't this something that would get him arrested by the TVA?

Okay, so the time travel makes the whole thing already impossible, but that’s not the only thing going on. What the fuck is going on with his age? So, Steve was born 1918, at the age of 25 he got injected with the super soldier serum. At 27, he crashed the plane and went on an aging pause for 66 years, waking up in 2011. Endgame is set to the year 2023, which makes Steve 39 years old. He goes back in time to the 40’s, we don’t know the exact year, but assuming that he’d go to the time after the crash, it’d be somewhere like between 1945 and 1949. That’s 74 to 78 years he would have lived in those five seconds. That makes him about 113 – 118 years old. He should be dead. And that Joe Biden doesn’t look like a 100+ years old.

So, like I said, he has had have aged at a slower pace, due to the serum. After a quick googling, I’ve found out that the serum does affect aging. It is said to be “slowing the (aging) process nearly by half”. It is also said that it “dramatically prevents individuals from aging”. Okay, so Steve got the serum at 25. Assuming that that Joe Biden really is Steve, he has been on the serum for about 88 – 93 years (not counting the years he was on ice). So, at 25, his aging starts slowing, so whereas to a normal human, those 88 – 93 years would show up as they are, for Steve they’d be more like 44 – 46 years (physically). That would make Biden physically about 69 – 71. And that actually makes sense, that’s believable. But now we got another issue. Steve is a healthy man (physically), he is a superhuman. I’d say it’s not too stupid to expect him to live (physically) to at least 80. (Unless he gets himself killed because he has no concept of self-preservation). So that’s 9 to 11 years he’s still got, with the serum that’s 18 to 22 years. See if they’d just not done this, they could’ve said he’s off on a mission, something less direct, or just de-serum him, and that’s why we don’t see him in TFATWS. Add like a few texts, phone calls or mentions of him. Done. But now it makes no sense for him to be dead already. (Is he even? Is it canon? Or was he just chucked into some retirement home. Where did he go? Did he just die? Yeah, he was old, but not that old??) So yeah, time travel-wise, and aging-wise, none of it makes any sense. But we’ve only been through category number one. And all this is if the serum slows the aging nearly by half, and I’ve seen some stuff where it says the serum would slow it even more. I mean in Age of Ultron there’s that bit where Thor insinuates that he might not be mortal.

So, I think we all know, that this plot line only happened because they had to write Cap out, and they went with the worst option they could come up with. But seriously, the whole thing is so fucking disrespectful. They didn’t even bother to try to make it the kind of an ending that makes sense. They completely ignored everything about canon and expected fans to be satisfied with it. Just because the ending was romantic, doesn’t mean it was good.

If there is one thing that we know about Steve, is that he can’t just sit down, and watch bad things happen. Very much like Peter said. “When you can do the things that I can, but you don’t, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you.” That is very much the same mentality Steve has. (Which is why Peter would’ve been team cap if he’d known what was happening in CACW btw). If he can do something, anything, and he doesn’t, he’s going to blame himself. I mean that’s why he lied in his enlistment forms, multiple times. Just so he could do something. If he can do something, he will. (And sometimes he will even if he can’t). That man could not sit living his ‘happy life’, while he knows all the bad things that are to happen. He would do anything to save as many people as he can. And he knows that HYDRA is infiltrating S.H.I.E.L.D. He wouldn’t just let that happen. And he wouldn’t let Zola get hired, not after everything.

Steve also got over Peggy. He buried her. He knows Peggy has lived a good life, he knows Peggy had a husband and kids. He would never make her lose them. Steve knows that her and Peggy are in the past and are meant to be there. I mean it was literally a part of his story, acceptance. Of what happened to him, and what he could’ve had with Peggy, but can’t. He would never go back to interrupt her life.

Also, that “relationship” was terrible. I don’t believe there was an ounce of love in those feelings they shared. And to everyone who thinks they’re cute, because Peggy liked Steve before and after the serum; she didn’t. No, she showed him basic human decency before the serum, and after the serum her attitude changed completely. Peggy never wanted Steve Rogers; she wanted Captain America. But because she did show him basic human decency, and unfortunately Steve isn’t quite used to that, he took a liking to her. He found her attractive sure, but genuine deep feelings? No, I don’t think so.

After Steve had gotten the serum, saved Bucky and so on, there’s the bar scene where Peggy shows up while Bucky is trying to flirt Steve’s pants off (the usual). And here, Peggy starts flirting with Steve calling back to that “right partner” conversation, making it “their thing”. Anyway, next day and Steve is making out with Lorraine, so Peggy’s flirting clearly meant a lot to him. But the way Peggy reacted to that kiss? Fuck no. Steve hadn’t promised shit to Peggy, they were not in a relationship; she had no right to get mad at him and belittle him. AND THEN SHE SHOOTS AT HIM. That would not be okay, even if they had been in a relationship. I don’t care about any “Steve’s a supersoldier,” “Steve had the shield,” “she didn’t actually mean to hurt him.” Peggy used violence as a threat. That is not okay. And if Steve hadn’t pulled the shield up in time, he would have gotten shot. The whole thing just shows that Peggy is possessive, manipulative and abusive. That’s a red flag if I’ve ever seen one. So, their relationship would not last, and if it did, it would be unhealthy.

And this whole shooting thing likely made Steve feel bad for not feeling that way about her. (Because yk, he did something, got “punished” for it, therefore it must’ve been wrong to do so). So, he starts to believe that that’s how he should feel. The whole thing seems to be because he felt obligated to. Also, they didn’t spend that much time with each other. They kissed once. And that was initiated by Peggy. So yeah, that relationship sucks, and had they married Peggy would probably ended up being abusive and controlling.

But guess what, that wasn’t all. Even if their relationship wasn’t so fucking horrific, the fact that they chose to make Steve Rogers, Captain America, a character created by Jewish men, as a symbol to protect Jewish people, marry, a character they based off of a fucking nazi character will never be okay.

Also, in CA: TWS Steve found out that she had accepted the hiring of Zola, and other nazis. Do you really think that Steve could spend a life with her, knowing that she had said yes to hiring the man who is responsible for so much of the pain Bucky went through. So, unless Steve’s plan was to go to Peggy to beat the shit out of her, I don’t see why he would in any situation choose that. Steve has moved on from Peggy. That was literally one of the things established in CA: TWS and A: AOU. He doesn’t want any of that anymore. The 21st century is his home. And he likes the 21st century.

Okay, then the point that seems to be most in people’s minds when discussing this. Bucky. I’ve seen the comment “How could Steve abandon Bucky,” and listen, I don’t disagree. But I hate that comment. Because…Steve didn’t abandon Bucky. Steve chose to live almost 80 years without Bucky, after being apart from him for five years. For Bucky that was five seconds. And really, Steve doesn’t owe it to Bucky to be there as his therapist (harsh, I know. but it pisses me when people talk about Steve leaving as if it’s his duty to help bucky get better). That just ain’t how friendships work. Why Steve should have stayed, is because that’s what he wants. That’s his best friend. It doesn’t matter how you look at their relationship, they love each other. And that’s why Steve should have stayed. Because he would never choose to live without Bucky.

I also see people arguing that “Steve was selfish”, or that “he deserved to be selfish for once”. But that’s just ridiculous. I agree, Steve is sometimes selfish, and he deserves to be selfish after everything he has done and given for the world. But Steve going back to past? That wasn’t selfish. Which is why it doesn’t make sense that he would have done it. Because when it comes to Bucky? That’s when Steve is selfish. Even if he could have done all kinds of good in the past on an alternative timeline, Steve is too selfish to choose that after just getting Bucky back. So, yeah, sometimes Steve is selfish. And that’s why he would have stayed.

So, yeah. Steve’s ending is garbage. It’s one big plot hole after another, it’s out of character and it is just bad. I think the main reasons why it happened are; 1. they had to write him out. 2. Amatonormativity. 3. Heteronormativity. They had to write him out, but they wanted to give him somewhat of a happy ending. But because of amatonormativity, they thought that the only “happy endings” are romantic ones. And who would be person that would make most sense as his romantic partner. The guy who loves him dearly, whom he loves just as much, who cares for him, serum or not….or the abusive one who only cares about Captain America and herself, who died years ago. Well, obviously time traveling to live a life in the past would make more sense than being queer.

Yeah, you know, I think I might still be a bit angry about Steve’s ending. Who would have guessed. Steve deserved better, and dammit he deserved to actually heal from all the shit he has gone through. Steve’s ending was bad writing.

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breckstonevailskier · 1 year ago

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And let's face it, if you kept Natasha and Steve around, not only would that make them available for potential future movies, but there stands a good reason to assume that maybe Wanda doesn't go off the rails as much because one of them would've checked up on Wanda to make sure she was doing all right, and might've even accompanied her to SWORD and used the threat of legal action to get Hayward to turn Vision's remains over to Wanda.

And by keeping Natasha around, you'd guarantee a reunion between her and Yelena. Plus make Black Widow feel less like it's just a "handover" movie that exists purely to establish Yelena as the character who will be taking over Natasha's role down the line.

And then Steve's ending sucks and is bad.

Steve's ending infuriated a lot of Stucky shippers for obvious reasons. But. Like. Here's the thing: From a filmmaking standpoint, the Stuckies are right. Sending Steve back in time just doesn't work for multiple reasons, both in and out of universe.

This is going to be a longie.

#1 - Time Travel Doesn't Work That Way

The first problem is the in-universe one. This ending is so busted that the directors and writers actually have separate interpretations of what happened, and they're both wrong.

According to the directors, Steve created a parallel timeline where he's lived with his Peggy. He used the time machine to return to this timeline and go to that bench, but only once he was super old for, uh, some reason?

Problem is, according to this movie, you can't do that. You can't make a new timeline without removing an Infinity Gem from it, and also making new timelines is bad, remember? Further, the film gives no indication that Steve time traveled here. He doesn't appear on the Quantum platform. He's not wearing his time suit. He's just chilling on a bench, staring at the horizon.

The reason the film gives no indication for how Steve arrived here is because of the writers' interpretation: Steve arrived in the past of this, the main timeline. Steve himself was Peggy's mystery husband back in Winter Soldier. Old Steve has always been here, waiting for this moment.

That's actually worse than the directors' explanation. The movie has been very clear on the point that you can't directly change the past. Even after they prune the timelines, Loki didn't actually escape in 2012. That never happened. The events of the Time Heist never happened, from a historical perspective.

The internal logic of Steve's jaunt doesn't work out, no matter which way you slice it.

#2 - The Future is Scary and You Should Run Away

The second problem is what it does to Steve as a Man Out of Time. The white-hot core of this character direction is that he is an old man living in a world he doesn't recognize, and having to adapt to changing times. That's something we all have to deal with eventually.

So what is Endgame's final statement on Steve's efforts to fit into society? It's that he can't. Trying to live in this world he doesn't know is a futile gesture. In the end, Steve gives up, sinks his head in the sand, and rejects modernity. He embraces the shallow image of a woman he once loved was attracted to and lives out the rest of his days in a reactionary fantasy world.

I guess there is no value in changing and growing to adapt to the new world around you. What a shitty ending.

#3 - To the End of the Line

And finally... yeah. I'm sorry to tell you this, but the Stucky shippers were right. Not necessarily about Steve and Bucky's relationship being canonically romantic. But about Steve and Bucky's relationship being the driving emotional throughline of the entire Captain America trilogy.

In the end, this ending is the epitome of the problem with the way writers write platonic relationships versus romantic ones. Throughout the trilogy, Bucky is the most valuable and important person in Steve's life.

Steve defied orders and officially joined World War II, venturing deep into enemy territory alone, for Bucky. He was ready to die for this man. He laid down his shield and accepted the Winter Soldier's violence out of love for the man behind his eyes, and that sheer unrelenting loyalty brought him back from the monster he was programmed to be. Steve went to war with the Avengers out of love for Bucky.

And whether you take that love to be romantic or platonic, it doesn't change the fact that this is what drives the films. Not Peggy. Never Peggy. The films occasionally pay some attention to Peggy and Sharon, but they aren't actually interested in using these characters as characters.

(In fact, they're so disinterested in Sharon that she drops off the face of the universe in Infinity War and Endgame. Not even a namedrop. The moment the filmmakers decided to send Steve back to Peggy, Sharon ceased to have any value as a character and was consequently erased. They do not care about these women and their stories. The Carters are just the obligatory love interests.)

Instead, Peggy is merely the symbol of what could have been. She represents the life Steve lost, but is barely treated as a person in her own right. She's just a picture in his wallet that he can pine after. She doesn't move the story along, and his feelings for her rarely amount to more than Steve being sad for a little bit and then continuing along with what he was doing.

And this is how it always is. The best friend is the diehard series-defining relationship that moves mountains and saves the universe. And the girlfriend is just there, getting little focus or development. Steve and Bucky prove their importance to each other again and again, but no attention is paid to why Peggy is important. "She's a woman. He's a man. What more do you need?"

I'm not, personally, a Stucky shipper. But "I'm with you to the end of the line," still meant so much to me. This was the emotional core of the Captain America trilogy, right up there with "I can do this all day." Steve suddenly quitting on the future, quitting on Bucky, and running off to bury his face in Peggy's bosom felt like a betrayal of everything the films have ever told us about these characters. Peggy just wins. Because we need to marry him off somehow if we're going to tie up his journey!

It is neither a joke nor an exaggeration to say that the trajectory of Captain America throughout the MCU was ruined at the very last possible second by the straight agenda.

#anti endgame #natasha romanoff #black widow #romanogers #anti steggy #anti peggy carter #steve rogers #captain america #steve rogers defense squad #wanda maximoff #vision

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littlesolo · 3 years ago

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To the anon (anons?) sending me the Captain Carter stuff. I do love Natasha Romanoff and am always excited to see new stuff she's in, but I'm not a Peggy Carter fan.

I was at one point, but I am really more of a Sharon Carter fan. I love Sharon in the comics and that's how I first fell in love with her. I'm a fan of Emily VanCamp too. I think she's done great despite what they've done to her character.

I would have loved a real storyline between Peggy and Sharon, Sharon maintaining the Carter legacy in a modern age, continuing the work her Aunt started even though things have changed. It could have been used to help bring Steve into the present.

But the Peggy Carter in the MCU, in my opinion, has overstayed her welcome. The Russo's ruined Steve's character and Sharon's by deciding to keep Steve and Peggy together because of the fans.

In Agent Carter, we saw Peggy begin to move on when she poured out Steve's blood. In Winter Soldier, she told Steve to move on. They undid all that and changed who Steve was in the process.

All the hate Emily VanCamp got plays a role in it too. I know it shouldn't matter when it comes to a character, but it does for me.

Can you imagine any of those other actresses getting that amount of hate VanCamp has? Yet, she's gotten very little support and some writers have stated a dislike of Sharon too. It's not really a surprise to me that they don't know what they're doing with her character anymore. Her being the Power Broker??? Losing herself??? If anything, the comics show her strength and how she's been through so much worse than being called a war criminal and stayed true to herself.

Sorry, I went off a little. My point is, Peggy Carter has ruined the characters she's had a connection to for me and I'm not going to let that happen with Natasha. I love her too much. I've seen the Peggy/Natasha stuff too, but my heart belongs to Black Hill, the pairing of Maria/Natasha.

Thank you for letting me know though, all of you. I'm always interested in new Natasha appearances, but I'm going to pass on this one.

#peggy carter #captain carter #natasha romanoff #sharon carter #emily vancamp #sharon carter defense squad #sharon carter deserves better

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notoyax17 · 3 years ago

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Uncomfortable thoughts about the parallels between Howard and Tony Stark in the MCU

I’d like to start this off by saying two things: I’m not a Howard Stark stan (he was an objectively shitty parent) and I loved Peggy Carter in TFA and Agent Carter at the time.

Having said that, a lot of things about them make me uncomfortable in hindsight. Either because of how they were written intentionally or because of how future installments in the MCU changed the tone of the previous ones.

Because, anyway you look at it, Howard Stark was surrounded by shitty friends.

Howard’s closest friends in the MCU were Obadiah Stane and Peggy Carter. (I’m not including Edwin Jarvis in this simply because Howard’s relationship with him struck me more as a friendly employee/employer relationship vs Tony’s ‘friend who also happens to be my employee’ thing with Happy Hogan.) I don’t think we need to expand too much on what a bad friend Stane was, what with the illegal arms dealing and trying to murder his pal’s son.

And then there’s Peggy. Peggy who is a foreign national. Peggy who talked her friend into risking his life and becoming party to treason on behalf of someone she barely knew (flying Steve into a war zone without authorization. Who was so damn quick to assume that he had nefarious intentions with Steve’s blood that she didn’t even bother to have a single conversation with him about it before she stole the vial and dumped it out.

Peggy Carter, who was complicit in burying the truth of her friend’s death. Even if she was no longer Director of SHIELD, there is no chance she didn’t at least look into it or view the bodies. And since strangulation by hand is a weird injury to have in a car accident, she had to have known and kept it quiet on SHIELD’s behalf.

Who talked her friend into founding/funding a paramilitary spy organization.

She talked an weapon’s manufacturer, the United States’ main weapon’s manufacturer into starting up an organization that spied on people both in and out of the country. With only the vaguest ties to the US government, if they had any at all at first, with how secretive they were. I can’t even imagine how many crimes were broken in that alone.

But let’s talk about SHIELD. While Carter was the Director of SHIELD, it was likely that Howard was the run managing the finances, R&D and business aspects of SHIELD. Carter was a field agent, so it’s unlikely that she walked in with the knowledge of how to run an organization as opposed to field operations and personnel. Putting Howard in charge of two business, one of which coming with the added benefit of making him brand new, much scarier enemies as SHIELD was taking on Hydra, the Red Room and various other terrorist agencies. Not to mention being the likely fall guy if something goes wrong with SHIELD, since Carter is a foreign national and would not have been able to start SHIELD without him.

(And, as a aside, can you imagine what would have happened if the Hydra reveal had happened while Howard was still alive? He probably would have been brought up on charges since the government would have wanted at least one head to roll because of that entire cluster fuck and Fury was “dead” while Carter had dementia/Alzheimer's and wouldn’t really be able to stand trial.)

Which is, obviously, stressful as fuck. Especially when, like Howard, you had zero prior spy experience. But Peggy has a habit of that, bring people who aren’t spies or trained in law enforcement out on to the field with her as if that’s something you can just get used to with enough grit.

Which leads me to the thought of how different Howard was between his appearance in The First Avenger/Agent Carter vs the man who became Tony Stark’s father. Someone who was cold, aggressive, suspicious. And I wonder if he was constantly scared or anxious, unable to show that (because, as a businessman, he’d know that showing fear was just leaking blood into shark infested waters), and was angry about it, trying to find a way to bring control into his life, while he was dealing with betrayals in other aspects of his life (like Vanko, and whoever else).

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And all of that leads me to Tony Stark. And specifically, to Captain America Civil War. Tony at that point was where Howard Stark likely was at the beginning of his time with SHIELD. Stressed out, anxious, and (mostly internally) deeply irritated by it. He’s visibly worn down and vaguely implies concern for his heart (talking about his left arm going numb).

And of course he’s stressed out, he’s likely the one dealing with fallout of the majority of the Avenger’s missions, even the ones he didn’t take part in. Steve Rogers is NOT actually the leader of the Avengers. He is at best, their field commander. (I could go on a rant about Steve not being a real captain and his lack of actual leadership experience, but that’s a separate rant for another day.)

The point is that there is a reason that people (the Secretary of State, the UN, etc) were going to Tony as opposed to Steve when discussion came about for the accords. From the outside perspective, Tony runs the Avengers. He is homing them, arming them, and supposedly managing their work through Maria Hill, his employee.

Which leads to a role conflict where Tony is in charge of the Avengers but lacks social power/control over them, which Steve has as their leader/the one between the two of them that the majority of the team actually respects. Where in literally any other organization (probably even Stark Industries), the head/president/CEO would be able to simply say, “This government document is going into effect. Sign if you want to stay with the company.” and move on, the role conflict (and, if I’m being honest, Tony’s own self esteem issues mixed with his belief that the team needed to be kept together in order to deal with the next invasion) led him to treat this as more of a conversational piece than it deserved to be. As if the option of not signing the accords but continuing to function under Tony’s money/power/influence still existed.

In essence, the Avengers became to Tony what SHIELD was to Howard, with Steve taking the place of Peggy Carter.

It’s actually a good picture of what guilt (and “patriotism” or “the desire to do good for the world”) can do to a person. Both gave their power away to someone else while retaining all of the responsibility and accountability that said power normally carried.

And suffered for it. And died for it.

Died as a result of the decisions made by the ones they gave power over themselves to - Peggy hiring Zola, Steve pushing for the time heist.

While those granted power without responsibility would go on to outlive them by decades, in their own happily ever after, relatively unscathed by the decisions they helped push into motion - Peggy lived a long life and eventually forgot most of the latter years of her life, Steve never even had to really live long in world affected by the post-snap and the magical disasters that came after.

Howard was the cautionary tale that Tony never quite had the chance to learn from. Here’s hoping that Morgan, Peter and Harley all manage to avoid the pitfall that took their father figure and his father before him.

#not SHIELD friendly #howard stark #peggy carter #tony stark #Steve Rogers #mcu meta #tony stark defense squad

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phoenixdark08 · 3 years ago

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Accounts like sharoncantstandhercarter don’t get to be fans of Steve Rogers cause you are literally hating on the person he loves the most. Not p*ggy not anyone else does he love more. And any other steggy Stan’s that hate on her can shut the fuck up too. Hayley atwell and her Stan’s behavior is absolutely unacceptable and I wish to never associate myself with them. Not a single one of them . Sharon would literally kick all of your asses . And if you’re spreading hate to Emily just sit the fuck down and get the fuck off social media you negative energy parasite . Fr y’all would rather defend Peggy who treated Steve like property and then hired Arnim Zola into shield. Just disgusting. I’m so sorry to other Sharon Stan’s and Sharon and Emily for the hate you’ve received you deserve better

#anti peggy carter #anti hayley atwell #anti steggy #anti steggy fans #sharon carter #sharon carter defense squad

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breckstonevailskier · 11 months ago

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As Wanda is my favorite MCU heroine, I would say that if they shoved her (and not Saint Peggy) into everything, things would be better for everyone. 😂 Especially after that heroic deed she performed in Multiverse of Madness that was taking out the Illuminati version of Peggy. 😁

Plus idk why but there’s something that bothers me to no end about Peggy being once again forcibly shoved in an episode she had no business being in. Like, what was the reason to have her crash the 1602 episode?

The episode where apparently Steve scratched the time stone and ended up in the 17th century had the best chance to be one of the best of the season, with the avengers stuck in what basically seems to be a Medieval AU straight out of Ao3

So like, top teir shit

And so I wonder, WHAT does Peggy have to do with the main avengers?? Is it so hard to have the avengers do one thing for themselves? Does the magnificent, multiversal pain in the butt Peggy have to be there too? WHY

The Christmas episode was literally a 2012 fic and I’m sure most people loved it, especially bc the avengers were all there and together. This could have been the chance to do it. Instead they need to once again shove Steggy and effing Peggy Carter down our throats and create an episode where Steve is all lovey dovey with the girl he knew for like a year and, by the time of IW, he had completely gotten over (not counting endgame bc all his character development regarding Peggy was flushed down the toilet to have the ending “make sense”).

The fact alone that Peggy, minor character with way too much screen time, has more scenes than effing Wanda Maximoff aka the strongest being in the multiverse is absolutely baffling.

#anti peggy carter #what if season 2 #steve rogers #wanda maximoff #wanda maximoff defense squad

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superstar8363 · 4 years ago

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Still don't understand how Marvel thought that this...

Was a better and more deserving couple than this...

#marvel #tony stark #pepper potts #pepperony #tony stark defense squad #protect tony stark #iron man #steve rogers #peggy carter #steggy #captain america #avengers #end game #avengers endgame

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drbobbimorse · 4 years ago

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You know what I can’t wait to do? To keep defending Sharon and EVC against this shitty fandom because they’ve decided that, since they can’t have Stvcky, S@mBvcky is now canon and they’re both completely gay for each other, despite knowing damn good and well that Marvel will never make those two Anything But Straight, and the fandom will call it queerbaiting in the event that Sharon ends up doing anything beyond platonic with either man, and continue to send EVC hate and death threats like they have since she appeared on screen in 2014. I’m so fucking ready to keep defending my girls.

#let's talk about the fact that I had a real conversation with someone #who said Sharon is just using sam and Bucky as plan b for steve #but mcu!Steve clearly used Sharon as a plan b for Peggy so fuck that noise #fandom fuckery #sharon carter #sharon carter defense squad #honestly? I hope she hooks with sam over bucky #cause their friendship in the comics is tremendous #and Anthony has been EVCs main support in the mcu #but lbr is Sharon wanted to hook up with both of them? I'd support that #its the least she deserves after the shit this fandom has thrown at her lololol

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lovely-cri · 5 years ago

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Since I love Steve Rogers with all of myself and considering that Steve is my bi king, I want to tell you my 5 OTPs for Steve. Interestingly, all my OTPs can be perfect BrOTPs.

5- Steve x Peggy

They are really sweet together. Peggy is fantastic and she loves Steve so much. The "goodbye my darling" scene in Agent Carter fills my heart with joy and at the same time breaks it into thousands of pieces. I think they are a really nice couple.

4- Steve x Sam

Sam is the first friend Steve has in the new century unrelated to work. He is so good for him. I think he's one of the very few people to see that Steve isn't well and tries to help him. No matter what, Sam always has Steve's back. They are really a strong and healthy couple.

3- Steve x Natasha

They are wonderful together. They are sweet and witty, but they are also strong, beautiful like the sun and totally badass. They work really well together, they are perfectly synchronized and trust each other. I think they would be really happy together. Great couple.

2- Steve x Bucky

Friends from childhood, they save each other more than once, fight a war together, get lost, but find each other again in the future. Bucky has been brainwashed for 70 years, and it took just a few sentences from Steve to break it and make him remember. Theirs is not a love story, it is the love story for excellence.

1- Steve x Happiness

Steve deserves to be happy, to relax, to rest and to laugh. My boy has always fought for what he thought was right, he saved a lot of people, he deserves to find happiness. And if someone has something to say, points 5/4/3/2 are ready to kick someone's ass.

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sharonisthebettercarter · 2 years ago

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'dingleberry', gotta love that, lol<3 this one mighta been me? can't rememberr tho

anywho~

this is reminder of how bad this situation sucks, because the version that atwell 'imagined' and forced onto 'peggy' as a pseudocanon isn't supposed to exist. but it's an unfortunate reality that peggy has become such an empty shell, literally just existing as a 'self insert' for atwell, and no longer her own character

it sucks even more when her fans serve as a means to reinforce the version that atwell imagined as peggy.

where were the moments between peggy and sharon? the love her aunt was supposed to show for her, the encouragement, the support, the pride for how well her niece was doing, the blessing she would have given steve and her, supporting two people she cared for in full, happy to see them make each other happy?

where was the passing of the torch?

or was this another one of those things that HAYLEY's 'peggy' was far too conceited to do?

everything that followed in the story because of hayley pulling the strings of her fans like fucking puppets, is justifiably criticized. but it pales in comparison to the amount of real life harassment, real life bullying, real life hatred, and real life harm that she caused in turn.

and she didn't give a shit.

she didn't give a shit so much, she was PERFECTLY comfortable knowing her fans were playing with human lives, laughing at her 'jokes' and regurgitating the same shit that was all 'peggy's opinions, 'peggy's will to hold fucking LIVES in the balance, on the edge, and toy with the idea of others ENDING their own.

she KNEW, she HAD to have known, and yet she never uttered a fucking word about it, because she didn't want her fans to stop. DESPITE the bullying, DESPITE the harassment, DESPITE treating LIVES like they weren't worth shit.

and there is absolutely justifiable reasoning for people to hate a character attached to the face of an abuser. attached to the face of someone they know to have instigated so much harm, that may have even caused their own pain. all for the simple crime... of liking a FICTIONAL character and ship.

hayley's a monster. she knows what she did, because she did it with a purpose, her fans fucking delivered.

and disney keeps fucking rewarding her.

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