#patroklus

[mt-isnothere12]

*whispers in your ear* patroklus was a little shit as a kid

[blue-lotus333]

Mothers of Patroclus

+ How I personally see them, since theres barely any info abt them, imma take some creative liberties :p and yes, all of them are the wives of Menoetius. Idk why there’s so many different versions of Patroclus mother but..whatever

Philomela (probably the most popular woman to be seen as Patroclus’ mother). I imagine her to be a strict, disciplined and sensible woman.

Polymele, Daughter of peleus & half sister of Achilles. I imagine her to be very bubbly, generous and gentle (and mostly taking her appearance after her father ofc, also I can imagine her being VERY pissed at Achilles if she finds out that her son died bc of him)

Periopis, princess of Pherae & daughter of King Pheres. I imagine her to be compassionate & very kind

Sthenele, princess of Iolcus. I imagine her to be a bit dull, worn out and isolated.

Damocrateia, princess of Aegina, and a half-demigoddess half-Naiad daughter of Zeus & Aegina. I imagine her being charismatic, creative & expressive.

[ungodlysai]

Thetis: Why do people think I have distaste for you, Patroclus?

Patroclus: Because it was easiest to paint you that way. You’re a Nymph who was bound to mate with a mortal man. It was easy for them to spin that into hatred for me, hatred for humans.

Thetis: They have me mistaken. I love most humans. Some of you do some… questionable things, but then again, so do the gods.

Achilles: Everyone’s kind of messed up in their own way, aren’t we?

Patroclus: it’s what makes us unique. Even so, I thank you Thetis, for being supportive of your son and I.

Thetis: You mellow him out. You help him. How could I not support you?

*we love supportive mom Thetis here.*

[ungodlysai]

(Not relevant to this post. Subject: ramble abt the greatest of myrmidon.)

leading up to Patroclus’ death, it’s amazing how much Patroclus was accepted and uplifted into another community. How he went from being an exile to a healer, recognized as the best among myrmidon— truly amazing. Also, we see how Patroclus was able to break down Achilles walls, even if it didn’t seem like much. It made his untimely death more impactful. Everyone felt Patroclus’ death, but especially Achilles.

There’s just something so goddamn TRAGIC in Achilles’ beloved’s death being the thing to finally break the scales of pride that had been covering his eyes. He goes from thinking all he cares about is his reputation to literally being desperate to die - not just because Patroclus is gone but because he finally realised he prioritised the wrong thing and it’s too late to change it now. He also knows it shouldn’t have taken Patroclus’ death for him to realise this - a death that is, ultimately, his fault. How was Achilles ever meant to navigate those layers of grief and devastation?

[henry-fox-biggest-stan]

“Omg Edward and Bella are so Odysseus and Penelope coded” that’s how it sounds to me each time anyone compares a mlm ship to achilles and patroklos

[primythios]

my mother….has tricked me….she replaced the normal instant coffee….with decaf……

[fresh-out-of-asphodel]

Jupiter trojans!

These guys are specifically about the Trojan war!! The first one to be discoverd was 588 Achilles. These guys are separated into the Greek and Trojan camp. Theyre all in their correct camps except for Patroklus who’s in the Trojan camp for all of eternity :(

I’m not going to list all of them bc theres a lot of them so here’s the wiki page for the trojan camp and the list. this is the greek camp

also checked other trojans—none of them have cool names

[random-krab]

Yesssssss!!!

Let him kill Sarpedon in cold blood!!!

i hope we leave the soft boy thing behind and let patroclus kill in 2024. set him free

[rhaegaryan]

« Matthew Lopez was developing ‘THE SONG OF ACHILLES’ into a TV series but the project fell apart. »

ACHILLES & PATROKLUS: FANCAST.

[percabeth4life]

You seem to have misinterpreted my ask.

That wasn't a complaint, it was a genuine question as to why. I was hoping for an explanation of your thought process, and of course, you're not required to give one but there was no need to call it a meaningless complaint.

But the quote is referring to Greek names specifically like Patroklus (in which I have seen spelled as such, specifically in Peter Green's translation of the Illiad), not necessarily every word that is Greek in origin. Cyclops and centaur are both names for creatures in greek mythology but they are not proper nouns. My question is what was your thought process to apply Grote's C->K to every word? It's not a "why should you be able to", it's a "why did you?"

It's also interesting to note in your story the plural you use for octopus is octopi. Not the english pluralization of octopuses or even the greek pluralization (as it is a greek origin word) of octopodes.

I don't think you realize how often I get complaints and questions about me doing k instead of C. It is at the point that's it's very frustrating to get those questions because I've answered it dozens of times in a bunch of different places (including here, if you'd checked the ATLOP asks tag).

And the quote refers to many utilizations of such, as I read the history book I can assure you it uses K spellings far more than C, and only uses C when the author deems it overwhelmingly familiar to the readers. He mentioned names specifically because the chart right before the quote was the Greek vs Roman Gods.

Additionally, I did the C to K long before I read that history book. I was simply very pleased when I read it and saved the quote for those sending such questions in the future, I thought a historian agreeing might make some people back off but apparently they just double down, who knew.

If you want a genuine answer: I am dyslexic, it is easier for my dyslexia to spell the words with K when the sound should be a K.

And yeah, cause Octopus and Octopi are words in two languages, not turning a Greek word into English spelling but otherwise keeping it in the same forms. Octopus is at this point both Greek and English, and I like the way Octopi better and it is considered one of three valid forms. Also, that's a nitpick.

[mt-isnothere12]

official iliad cheese post

notice: im not a cheese expert

also this is also a modern context and me randomly naming cheeses

Odysseus: Hates cheddar, loves feta (thanks @/empireofmen’s gf)

Diomedes: Loves cheddar, hates babybel for some reason

Ajax the greater: loves cottage cheese, i dont think hes picky tbh

Ajax the lesser: lactose intolerant

Achilles: He hates fermented cheeses but will inhale anything else

Patroklus: Likes swiss, hes not very picky

Menelaus: Lactose intolerant

Agamemnon: loves fermented cheeses, hates cottage cheese

Hektor: loves spicy cheeses, idk what he hates i cant tell

Paris: lactose intolerant

Helen: loves sharp cheeses, hates crumbly cheeses

Cassandra: Likes babybel, hates swiss

Priam: loves paneer, hates crumbly cheeses

Hecuba: loves fermented cheeses, hates mozzerella

[gremlynn-x]

what do you think of doomed by the narrative?

gnawing at the bars of my enclosure that shit MAKES ME INSANE (/pos but also i'm on the floor sobbing)... frankenstein's monster... wolfstar, dorlene, just all the marauders... ruth and richie in the beginning of npmd and just hatchetfield never escaping apotheosis... akhilleus and patroklus... i could go on and on

[ungodlysai]

Patroclus: The man I love was prophesied to die after killing his rival…

Younger Patroclus: Who was his rival?

Patroclus: The man who killed me.

[linnyunicornlover]

Patrilles

So my dad is a teacher and at the grammar school he works at they have a club for lgbtqia+ people. The name of that club is Patrilles. The shipname for Achilles and Patroklus. The best gays (yes I know Achilles is bi) from the Greek mythology. Isn't that incredible?

[h0bg0blin-meat]

@/tinybear on ig

xDD

I am Patroklus here ngl my bad dawg-

[banrionceallach]

There are on Audible a series (series is not exactly the correct term but whatevs) called The Great Courses and they are basically recordings of university course lectures by various different academics. Different series of lectures dealing with different topics are all available for 1 credit or €x.99 per 'course'/book. You know how audible works.

(Putting aside whether you should use audible at all if you can find these same recordings elsewhere, because audible is amazon and we all know what amazon is), I want talk about the ones narrated by Prof. Elizabeth Vandiver. The Iliad, The Odyssey, The Aeneid of Virgil and Classical Mythology.

These courses are discussions of Greek & Roman mythology (there being a lot in common or similar but with a twist, given the Roman habit of borrowing ideas from the Greeks (and lets face it, everyone else) and squashing/stretching them into a shape that suits Roman culture and ideals.

So, the first three are twelve thirty-minute lectures each, with each lecture being a discussion on an aspect(s) of the ancient poem with emphasis on how it would have been received by it's ancient greek/roman audience and explanations on why modern reactions are informed by our culture and can be wrong-headed, because we are judging certain scenes while partially or completely lacking the context that would have been almost innate to an ancient greek/roman listener.

For example, I was vaguely aware of the major beats of the iliad from cultural osmosis i.e. Achilles argues with Agamemnon, throws a strop over his concubine being taken away, refuses to fight which results in things going badly for the Greeks. Odysseus, Ajax and some other guy try to talk him into fighting again, but they can't. Things continue to go badly for the Greeks, Patroklus manages to convince Achilles to lend him Achilles' armour after which things briefly go well for the Greeks before Hector enters the field and things go extremely badly for Patroklus. Achilles subsequently goes absolutely berserk with grief and things go horribly for Hector in particular. Achilles indulges in horrible desecration of human remains until Hector's father Priam begs for the return of his son's corpse. Achilles relents. Hector gets a funeral. End of poem.

I did not truly comprehend until listening to the lectures on the iliad, why Achilles is not just 'throwing a strop'. He's not just being a sulking jerk. The explanation Prof. Vandiver gives of the ancient concept of Kleos illustrated that Agamemnon has actually not only grievously insulted Achilles, he has called into question much of the motivation for fighting in the first place.

Anyway, to move on and tldr this a bit, the same thing occurred repeatedly as I listened to the lectures on the Odyssey and the Aeneid. I learned so much I didn't previously know about ancient greek and roman cultures and their particularly important cultural concepts which cast the events in the poems/stories in much more tragic light and the actions of the characters were much more relatable given the added understanding I gained from learning the greater context. It also added humour because once you have correct context it turns out that Homer and Virgil like a joke as much as anyone else.

I am currently listening to the 'Classical Mythology' set of lectures which deals with a selection of different stories/myths rather than one long epic poem in particular like the first three.

To tldr this again: If you were even vaguely interested in Greek and Roman mythology as a kid, these lectures are fascinating. Having listened to the first three I am now trying to find translations of the actual poems to read/listen to myself.