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spineless-lobster · 6 months ago
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Trying to look up pat’s mom and finding out that he actually has five moms one of which is achilles’ older half-sister which is devastating to me not just because they’re cousins but because that means whatever twisted alternate universe troy (2004) takes place in is right
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blue-lotus333 · 5 months ago
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Mothers of Patroclus
+ How I personally see them, since theres barely any info abt them, imma take some creative liberties :p and yes, all of them are the wives of Menoetius. Idk why there’s so many different versions of Patroclus mother but..whatever
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Philomela (probably the most popular woman to be seen as Patroclus’ mother). I imagine her to be a strict, disciplined and sensible woman.
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Polymele, Daughter of peleus & half sister of Achilles. I imagine her to be very bubbly, generous and gentle (and mostly taking her appearance after her father ofc, also I can imagine her being VERY pissed at Achilles if she finds out that her son died bc of him)
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Periopis, princess of Pherae & daughter of King Pheres. I imagine her to be compassionate & very kind
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Sthenele, princess of Iolcus. I imagine her to be a bit dull, worn out and isolated.
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Damocrateia, princess of Aegina, and a half-demigoddess half-Naiad daughter of Zeus & Aegina. I imagine her being charismatic, creative & expressive.
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junaofaulis · 2 months ago
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why is his family tree giving gender swapped mamma mia
#WHO IS HIS MOM BRO#it is stated in the iliad that he is 'olympian-born' (presumably on his mom's side since menoetius traces his linage to aegina)#so he's probably related to zeus since that's where most of hs mother candidates trace their lineage to#specifically polymele and damocrateia have the closest relation to zeus i think???#idk i gotta read more apollodorus#also polymele is the daughter of peleus which would make him potentially achilles's? nephew?? along with his cousin???#i can't tell if him being related to peleus makes no sense or a lot of sense#because peleus took him in but also he made him an attendant#and i feel like it would come up in the iliad given that achilles is always talking about peleus with patroclus#so like wouldn't he mention if peleus was literally his grandpa#but also peleus like raised him and he doesn't say that until he's a ghost so#but also maybe that's why achilles is always mentioning peleus? and he asked if patroclus was crying because peleus had died that one time#stenele seems to have some relation to poseidon (her dad's dad's dad) so she's a decently good candidate as well#because achilles is always talking about how he's a descendant of zeus (his dad's dad's dad)#but i don't think he's ever called olympian born his mother is referenced more often#but also does closeness of relation really make that much of a difference when it comes to gods#because achilles sets himself equal to those more recently related to zeus than he is#jesus fucking christ these fucking tags#ok no more i'm just gonna read the bibliotheca and make a separate post atp#patroclus#the iliad
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thhouseofblack · 2 months ago
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Ancestories of the Greek Heroes of the Iliad
Tracing the royal bloodlines of the characters of the iliad because i have an obsession with family trees:
Odysseus: 24% Immortal & 75.8125% Mortal
12.5% Olympian (through Hermes, his Maternal Great-Grandfather)
6.25% Others Gods of the Pantheon (through Hesperos, his Maternal 3x Great-Grandfather)
5.22% Titan/Nymph (through his Paternal 2x Great-Grandmother and Paternal 4x Great-Grandmother - the same person)
31.25% Other mortal lines (not specified/no data)
25% Ithacan (likely through his Paternal Grandmother)
11.75% Athenian (through his Paternal Great-Grandmother and Paternal 3x Great-Grandmother - who happened to be sisters)
6.25% Phocis (through his Paternal Grandfather)
1.5625% Phthian (through his Paternal 3x Great-Grandfather)
Diomedes: 14.55% Immortal & 85.1875% Mortal
10.25% Olympian (of Ares and Poseidon to be exact)
4.3% Titan/Nymph (through his Paternal 3x Great-Grandfather)
49.25% Argive (through both his Maternal and Paternal ancestry)
12.5% Olenian (through his Paternal Grandmother)
9.375% Thessalian (through his Paternal 3x Great-Grandmother)
9.375% Pylos (through his Paternal 2x Great-Grandmother)
4.6875% Aetolian (through his Father)
Achilles: 87.5% Immortal & 12.5% Mortal
71.875% Titan/Nymph (through his Mother Nereid Thetis and Paternal Great-Grandmother Naiad Aegina)
15.625% Olympian (through Zeus - his Paternal Great-Grandfather)
12.5% Athenian (through his Paternal Grandmother)
Patroclus: 87.5% Immortal & 12.5% Mortal (this depends on who you take as his mother but if you take it as Peleus' Aunt Damocrateia then)
56.25% Titan/Nymph (through his Paternal Grandmother Naiad Aegina)
31.25% Olympian (through Zeus - his Maternal Grandfather)
6.25% Arcadian (through his Paternal Great-Grandmother)
6.25% Phthian (through his Paternal Grandfather)
Agamemnon & Menelaus: 68.75% Immortal & 31.25% Mortal
50% Titan/Nymph (through Atlas - their Paternal 2x Great-Grandfather twiceover and Paternal 3x Great-Grandfather & through Pasiphae - their Maternal Great-Grandmother)
18.75% Olympian (through Zeus - their Paternal and Maternal 2x Great-Grandfather)
31.25% Cretan (through their Mother)
Ajax the Greater: 62.5% Immortal & 37.5% Mortal
34.375% Titan/Nymph (through his Maternal Great Grandmother)
28.125% Olympian (through Zeus- his Paternal Great-Grandfather, and Poseidon - his Maternal Great-Grandfather)
25% Salamis Island (through his Mother)
12.5% Athenian (through his Paternal Grandmother)
Teucer: 63.875% Immortal & 27% Mortal
57.875% Titan/Nymph (through the many Naiad daughters of River Gods - Maternal Grandmother, Maternal 2x Great-Grandmother, Maternal 3x Great-Grandmother)
16% Olympian (through Zeus - his Paternal Great-Grandfather)
12.5% Percote (likely through his Maternal Great-Grandmother)
12.5% Athenian (through his Paternal Grandmother)
Nestor: 31.25% Immortal & 68.75% Mortal
31.25% Olympian (through Poseidon - his Paternal Grandfather and Maternal 2x Great-Grandfather)
37.5% Arcadian (through his Paternal Great Grandmother and Maternal Grandfather)
12.5% Aeolian (through his Paternal Great Grandfather)
12.5% Other mortal lines (not specified/no data)
6.25% Orchmenian/Minyan (through his Mother)
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fairyencyclopedia · 1 month ago
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Freshwater Master List Part 2:
Freshwater fairies  live in freshwater and are semi or fully aquatic and do not have fur. 
Europe:
Aba (naiad)
Abarbarea (Naiad)
Achelous/ Achlae (Etruscan)
Acis
Acraea (Naiad)
Acragas (mythology)
Aeacus
Aeas (Potamoi)
Aegaeus (Potamoi)
Aegina (Naiad)
Aegle (Naiad)
Aesar (Potamoi)
Aesepides
Aesepus (Potamoi)
Aganippe (Naiad)
Aia (naiad)
Albunea (Pegaeae)
Alcinoe (naiad)
Allikaravitseja (Estonian)
Almo (Potamoi)
Aloja/Dona D'aigua/ Goja/ Paitida - Catalan
Alpheus
Alphesiboea
Amnisiades
Amnisos (Potamoi)
Amphrysus (Potamoi)
Amymone (naiad)
Anapos (Potamoi)
Anauros (Potamoi)
Anchinoe (Naiad)
Anchiroe (Erasinid)
Anchiroe (naiad)
Anguana/ Anguane
Anigrides
Anigros (Potamoi)
Anippe (naiad)
Anthedon (naiad)
Anthracia (naiad)
Apidanus (Potamoi)
Appias (Naiad)
Archidemia (naiad)
Argiope (naiad)
Argyra (naiad)
Arnos (Potamoi)
Ascanius (Potamoi)
Ascra (naiad)
Asopides
Asopis (Naiad)
Asopus (Potamoi)
Asrai
Astakides
Asterion (Potamoi)
Asterionides
Asterodia (naiad)
Astyoche (Naiad)
Axius (Potamoi)
Azyarnitsa
Balamuten/ Balamutnik
Bally Bog
Baphyras (Potamoi)
Batea (naiad)
Bistonis (naiad)
Bolbe (Naiad)
Bolotnik- Slavic
Borda (Italian)
Borysthenes (Potamoi)
Bruxa lavadeira
Brychon (Potamoi)
Byze (naiad)
Byzia (naiad)
Caanthus (Potamoi)
Cacce- haldde
Cacce- jielle
Cacce- jenne
Cacce- olmai
Caicus (Potamoi)
Caliadne (naiad)
Calliphaea (Ionid)
Callirrhoe (Naiad)
Calybe (nymph)
Castalia (Naiad)
Cayster (Potamoi)
Cebren (Potamoi)
Cephissus (Potamoi)
Cleochareia (Naiad)
Chalcis (Naiad)
Chremetes (Potamoi)
Cephisides
Chione (daughter of Callirrhoe)
Chlidanope (naiad)
Cladeus (Potamoi)
Cleide (naiad)
Cleochareia (Naiad)
Cleomede (naiad)
Cleone (Naiad)
Clitumnus (Potamoi)
Clonia (nymph)
Cnossia (naiad)
Cocythiae
Cocytus (Potamoi)
Comaetho (naiad)
Combe (Naiad)
Corcyra (Naiad)
Cratais (Potamoi)
Cretheis (naiad)
Creusa (Naiad)
Crinaeae
Crinisus (Potamoi)
Cutty Dyer
Cyanea (naiad)
Cyane (Naiad)
Cydnos (Potamoi)
Cytheros (Potamoi)
Cyrene (Naiad)
Damocrateia (daughter of Zeus & Aegina)
Danais (naiad)
Daphne (Naiad)
Daulis (naiad)
Deino (naiad)
Deliades
Dercetis (naiad)
Diogeneia (naiad)
Diopatre (Naiad)
Drosera (naiad)
Dziwożona/ Boginka/ Mamuna
Elisson (Potamoi)
Enipeus  (Potamoi)
Erasinides
Erasinus (Potamoi)
Eridanus (Potamoi)
Eridanus (Potamoi) (Hyperborea)
Erymanthus (Potamoi)
Euboea (Naiad)
Euippe (daughter of Danaus and the naiad Polyxo)
Eunoë (naiad)
Eupheme (naiad)
Euphrates (Potamoi)
Eurotas (Potamoi)
Eurryroe (naiad)
Eurythemista (nymph)
Evadne (daughter of Poseidon and Pitane)
Evadne (daughter of Strymon and Neaera)
Evenus (Potamoi)
Ežerinis (Lithuanian)
Fae/ Fada- Catalan)/ Faerie/ Faery/ Fairy/ Fee/ Fey/ Doñas de fuera/ Gente Menuda/ Sidheóg/ Slua Sí/ Túathgeinte
Fossegrim/ Strömkarlen (Swedish)
Ganges (Potamoi)
Gatag (Nart)
Gausu māte
Gargaphia (Naiad)
Glashtyn
Glauce (naiad)
Glaucia (naiad)
Gnefro
Granicus (Potamoi)
Grindylow
Groac'h
Gwragedd Annwn
Hagno (naiad)
Haliacmon (Potamoi)
Halys (Potamoi)
Hans Heiling/ Jan Svatoš
Harmonia (nymph)
Harpina (Naiad)
Hebrus (Potamoi)
Hegetoria (naiad)
Heptaporus (Potamoi)
Hercyna (naiad)
Hermus (Potamoi)
Hieromneme (Naiad)
Himalia (Greek)
Himerian Naiads
Hippe (naiad)
Hydaspes (Potamoi)
Hydaspides
Hydriad (Greek)
Hyperia (Naiad)
Idaea (nymph)
Il-Belliegħa (Maltese)
Ilissos (Potamoi)
Imbrasos (Potamoi)
Inachides
Inachus
Indus (Potamoi)
Io (Naiad)
Ionides
Inopos (Potamoi)
Ismenis (naiad)
Ithacian nymphs
Ismene (Naiad)
Ismenus (Potamoi)
Istrus (Potamoi)
Järvevana (Estonian)
Jengk-tongk
Jenny Greenteeth
Kaevukoll (Estonian)
Kropemann
Lady of the Lake/ Lady of Llyn y Fan Fach/ Nelferch
Ladon (Potamoi)
Lamides
Lamos (Potamoi)
Langia (naiad)
Larunda (Naiad)
Laura/ Laurë (Albanian)
Leibethrides
Leimonides
Lelegeides/ Eliyãna
Lethe (naiad)
Libethrias (naiad)
Lietus Māte (Lithuanian)
Lilaea (naiad)
Limnades
Limnaee (naiad)
Linos- https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Apollod.+3.8.1&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0022:book=3:chapter=8&highlight=Aegaeon 
Liriope (naiad)
Llamhigyn y Dŵr
Loch Ness Monster
Lotis (naiad)
Lúchorpáin
Lycormas (Potamoi)
Maeander (Potamoi)
Maera (Erasinides)
Magea (naiad)
Mahwot
Malis (naiad)
Marabbecca
Maria Enganxa (Aloja)
Marsyas (Potamoi)
Māte
Melanthea (Naiad)
Meles (Potamoi)
Melia (consort of Silenus)
Melite (Erasinides)
Melite (Naiad)
Melusine
Memphis (daughter of Nilus)
Menippe (Thessalian naiad)
Menoetius (Argonaut)
Messeis (naiad)
Metis (naiad)
Metope (river-nymph, the daughter of the river Ladon)
Mħalla (Maltese)
Midea (nymph)
Milichie (naiad)
Mincius (Potamoi)
Minthe (naiad)
Morgen
Moria (naiad)
Mosekonen
Mùmôcz
Mycene (naiad)
Myrtoessa (Naiad)
Mysian Naiads
Nacole (naiad)
Näkki
Naiad
Nais (naiad)
Nana (naiad
Nanny Rutt
Neaera (nymph of Mount Sipylus) (naiad)
Neaera (nymph who became the mother of Aegle by Zeus) (naiad)
Neda (naiad)
Nëczk
Nelly Longarms
Nemea (Naiad)
Nesaea (Nereid)
Nestos (Potamoi)
Nicaea (naiad)
Nilus (Potamoi)
Nixie
Nomia (naiad)
Nonacris (naiad)
Nuckelavee
Numicius (Potamoi)
Nycheia (naiad)
Nymph
Nymphaeus (Potamoi)
Ocyrrhoe (naiad)
Ocyrrhoe (nymph daughter of the river god Imbrasus and Chesias)- https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Ath.+7.19&fromdoc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2013.01.0003:boo=0:chapter=0&highlight=Ocyrhoe 
Ocyrrhoe (nymph of Mysia)
Oenoe (Arcadian nymph)
Oenoe (naiad)
Opis (Nereid)
Ornea (Naiad)
Orontes (Potamoi)
Orseis (naiad)
Ortygia (naiad)
Ortygian nymphs
Pactolides
Pactolus (Potamoi)
Palici
Pallas (Naiad)
Pareia (naiad)
Parthenius (Potamoi)
Pasithea (Athenian Naiad)
Pegaea (Ionid)
Pegaeae
Peg Powler
Peirene (Naiad)
Peneus
Periboea (naiad)
Pero (naiad)
Petra (naiad)
Pharmacea (nymph)
Phasis (Potamoi)
Philodice (naiad)
Phlegethon (Potamoi)
Phoenissa (Naiad)
Phrixa (naiad)
Phyllis (Potamoi)
Pirene (naiad)
Pitane (naiad)
Pleistos (Potamoi)
Polyxo (Naiad of the river Nile)
Porpax (Potamoi)
Potameides/ Potamides
Potamoi/ Amnes/ Flumen/ Flumina
Praxithea (naiad)
Pronoe (nymph mother of the Trojan Lassus)
Prosymna (Naiad)
Psalacantha (naiad)
Psanis (naiad)
Rhenus Pater
Rhesus (Potamoi)
Rhine (Potamoi)
Rhodius (Potamoi)
Rhyndacides
Rhyndacus (Potamoi)
Rusalki/ Boginki/ Navki/ Vily
Salamis (Naiad)
Salmacis (naiad)
Samia (naiad)
Sangarius (Potamoi)
Satnioeis (Potamoi)
Scamander (god)
Selemnus (Potamoi)
Shellycoat
Shishiga (Russian)
Shahapet (Armenian)
Simoeis (Potamoi)
Sinope (Naiad)
Sithnides (Greek)
Sjörå
Soovana (Estonian)
Sparta (naiad)
Spercheides
Spercheus (Potamoi)
Stilbe (Naiad)
Stima apei (Romanian)
Strophia (naiad)
Strymon (Potamoi)
Strymo (Naiad)
Stygne (daughter of Polyxo)
Svityazianka
Syllis (naiad)
Symaethus (nymph)
Symaethus (Potamoi)
Synallasis (Ionid)
Syrinx (nymph)
Tanagra (Naiad)
Tanais (Potamoi)
Teledice (Greek)
Telete (naiad)
Telphousa (naiad)
Tereine (naiad)
Termessus (Potamoi)
Thalia (nymph daughter of Hephaestus)
Thebe (Naiad)
Theisoa (naiad)
The Nixie of the Mill-Pond
Thermodon (Potamoi)
Thespeia (Naiad)
Thessalids
Thetis/ Thethis (Etruscan)
Thisbe (Greek)
Thronia (naiad)
Thyia (Greek)
Tiasa (naiad)
Tiberinus (Potamoi)
Tiddy Mun
Tigris (Potamoi)
Titaressus (Potamoi)
Tjaetsieålmaj (Sami)
Topielec/ Utopiec
Traîcousse/ Trécouche
Tritonis (Naiad)
Trojan Naiads
Tskarishdida (Georgian)
Ūdens māte
Ulishitsa
Undine
Upes Māte (Lithuanian)
Vættir
Vaks-oza- https://archive.org/stream/mythologyofallra41gray/mythologyofallra41gray_djvu.txt 
Vasa (Komi)- https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/komi-religion 
Vatnavættir
Ved-ava/ Vete-ema/ Veen emo (Russian/ Finnish/ Estonian)
Vedenemä
Vedenemo
Vedenneito
Veehaldjas (Estonian)
Vetevana (Estonian)
Víz Anya (Hungarian)
Vodnik/ Vodyanoy
Vodyanitsa
Water Horse
Water Nymph/ sprite- https://archive.org/details/oxfordbookofstor00harr/page/27/mode/1up 
Water Spirit/ He Who Inhabits the Water/ Master of the Water/ Water Dweller/ Water Khan/ Water Man/ Water Master
Xacia
Xana- Asturian mythology
Xanderirhoe (naiad)
Xanino- ditto 
Zeuxippe (naiad nymph of Athens)
Zheuzhyk (Belarus
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katerinaaqu · 2 months ago
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Because he is. For starters they have a common ancestor named Aegina. She who had a child with Zeus, who became the line of Achilles she had a family with Actor later that became the line of Patroclus. The in-between relatives are already related to each other one way or another. Now the mother of Patroclus depends on the version but some candidates among others are Damocrateia who was also a daughter of Zeus and Aegina or Polymele and Polymele was Peleus's daughter and Achilles's half-sister.
Either way de facto Achilles IS Patroclus's cousin now depending on the source he is from first cousin once removed till straight out full on first cousin
I think people should stop being so afraid to see the fact that most heroes in Greek mythology are related one way or another through the lines of gods but in regards to Achilles and Patroclus they truly are related with each other.
Tell me why my teacher for history seminar (so what we learn should be more accurate and more in depth than normal lesson) told us while learning about the Trojan war that Patroclus is Achilles' cousin?
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teatitty · 5 years ago
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“Patroclus and Achilles were cousins” really fucking depends on who you think the mother of Patroclus was because let me tell you there’s a lot of debate around that. We know for a fact his father is Menoetius, but his mom? Either Sthenele, Periopis, Polymele, Philomela or Damocrateia
All of the above were wives of Menoetius but there’s no Definitive Answer as to who was the mother of Patroclus. Periopis was the daughter of Peres, Polymele was Achilles’ half-sister and daughter of Peleus, Sthenele the daughter of Acastus, Damocrateia was the daughter of Aegina and Zeus and Philomela’s bloodline is completely unknown!
There is only a 1 in 5 chance that Achilles and Patroclus are related to eachother so like. If you want to go the classic “its greek myth everyone was doing incest back then” sure you absolutely can but there’s also...other options, like, Right Here that you can choose from instead. Just saying
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boleynsrex · 2 years ago
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Apollo stood tall and radiant, eyes scanning the throngs of courtiers – not, in costume, his subjects, though few among him would mistake this lofty, lusty, treasure-chest of a figure for anyone but their King. His jaw chiseled by the brandishing of a torch, wisps of curled, copper strands lit at the edge like strands of fire, he bore his namesake’s bow in his hand, itself sumptuously forged from gold and white string.  As William looked out to the crowd, his gaze steady and unwavering, his presence commanded the respect a new sovereign such as he so ardently desired; high hopes for an already triumphant evening glowing around him in a heavenly aura.  Yet though his lips and eyes were smiling, for a moment the King appeared drowned in reflection, lending credence to the rumours of Percy’s banishment – the gradual descent of his lips submerged into another goblet of wine. 
From William’s vantage upon the throne, draped in a velvet canopy and seated on high, he could see everything: the goggles of wonder and delight, unfocused figures pirouetting across the floor, the precious jewels shining brightly atop their heads, bathed in sweat as much as gems, a riot of colour and passion – as was the King’s pleasure.  William cast neither a shadow of grimness or wrath over the crowd, as his father had done; but rather filled the air with the eagerness of a young man, replenishing the wine in his veins before joining his subjects in their Grecian festivities.  His lips then quirked as he received Meg, bowing before the dais, affording him the quickest of glances at her chest as she dipped; her paper-thin gown leaving nothing to the imagination.  ‘Damocrateia, is it?’  He asked, then raising to his feet.  ‘I take it back.  You are Cyrene – I see that now.  A princess, and a fierce huntress.'
Extending his hand, he waited for Meg to place her palm over his before enclosing her thin wrist in his grasp, eyes flashing mischievously. ‘Tell me. Does that make me your prey?'
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Marguerite Welles was in full bloom.
The gaiety and splendor of the evening seemed to have opened her shell completely, launching the usually quite reserved and proper young lady into the depths of spontaneity, and numerous courtiers would remark that such joy suited her. Her costume, more revealing than she had ever dared (though still not able to hold a candle to those of more scandalous ladies at Hampton, English or French), transformed her from a lady in service to the princess to one in her own right, for Cyrene was beloved by her people for her tenacity and loyalty. Meg found every aspect of the evening enchanting, from the eyes focused solely on her as she performed to the sweets rotating through the crowd, from the laughter echoing off of the Great Hall's high ceilings to the sight of lovers embracing tenderly out in the open - for the Greeks did value lust and love as much as the French, did they not?
The king seemed equally enthralled by it all, interacting with members of his court with a grin that seemed to transform his entire countenance - and why should he not? Did this night not declare him the most enviable prince in Christendom, to have a palace filled to the brim with charm, elegance, and prosperity? Emboldened by a bit too much wine and excitement, Meg approached the king as he sat upon a throne decorated to befit a Greek god; she curtsied low, then rose and extended her hand, eyes dancing with merriment. "Will you do me the honor of a dance, Lord Apollo? I should think you must."
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