#oz 3x08

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OZ | 3x07 Secret Identities

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Oz 3x8 - Out o' Time

[wawamouse]

👨🏻‍🔬 Carmen "Chico" Guerra's Elevator Eyes, a Totally Scientific Analysis

Introduction

Oz, created by Tom Fontana and produced for HBO in 1997-2003, is a first of its kind TV program in many ways. While much focus over the years has rightly been given to the show's melodramatic "realism" in depicting prison life, its unapologetic handling of controversial subject matter, and its innovative approach to dramatic storytelling, little attention has been paid to the fucking insane way the character Carmen "Chico" Guerra acts every time he is in Miguel Alvarez's vicinity.

In this study, I examine part of this behavior, the observed tendency of Guerra to direct intense visual exploration at Alvarez's person, an act colloquially known as "elevator eyes". Using a scene from Oz season 5 episode 8 for the basis of this initial study, I clutch my head and ask, not for the first time, "hey, what the fuck? Is anybody else seeing this??"

Method

Using video editing software, I isolated the 4:14 second clip from Oz episode 5x08 in which character Guerra can be heard uttering the words "Oh, you're so fucking beautiful when you're angry". Using frame-by-frame scrubbing, each of the 110 frames contained therein were captured and visually analysed using the bare eye to discern the direction of Guerra's eye movement. Because Guerra's eye movements were fluid and roaming, only the extreme end of each direction of eyeline was counted. In total, 10 frames were selected from various points in the clip to represent the extreme ends of each moment Guerra's attention shifted in a different direction.

2 of the 10 images were further examined by the bare eye and were concluded to be transitional eye movements and thus discarded.

(Figure 1): 8 images depicting the changes in Carmen "Chico" Guerra's eye line.

Results

In total, 8 distinct eye directions were produced using the method described above (Figure 1). From these results, Guerra doing the Most™ has been confirmed. As if there was any doubt.

Discussion

What exactly is Guerra looking at? Alvarez's lips? His scar? His nose? His ear? Scrutinising each moment individually, I hypothesise that Guerra is observing Alvarez's general profile (1, 3, 7), his scar (2), the stiff collar of his suit (4), the expression in his eyes (5), and his lips (6, 8), however more study is needed in his area.

Research on Guerra's elevator eye tendencies can be broadened with analysis of other interactions, including scenes such as from episodes 2x04, 2x07, 2x08, 6x01, 6x02, 6x06, and 6x08.

Further study is also needed to understand why Guerra brings a horny energy to all of his antagonistic interactions with Miguel Alvarez compared to others. Suggested areas of study include episodes 2x07, 2x08, 3x04, 3x08, 5x02, and 5x03, with focus on vocal delivery (including pitch, timber, volume), word choice, and body language.

Conclusion

I love inventing new useless ways to spend my time. Also Guerra has a big boner for Alvarez.

[sunnydaleherald]

The Sunnydale Herald Newsletter, Tuesday, November 19

Anya: In case we need 'em, I'm getting more of all the things you stole. Willow: I didn't - why do you do that? Anya: What? Willow: You're so rude! I mean, sure, at first, ex-demon, doesn't know the rules. Well, you been here forever. Learn the rules. Anya: Rules are stupid. Willow: Great, whatever. I just thought you might be interested in learning to act more human. Some of us enjoy it. Oh, look for, uh, spells with dimensional portals too. Anya: I *am* a human. And there are ... many humans who are stranger than me.

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I wonder if episode 3x08 was hinting that if one does not know how to look out for hints of queerness they might end up falling flat on their face x)

"Hansel and Gretel hit the ice for their bread crump shtick and boom, bloodbath on the ice."

"What Is Breadcrumbing?

Breadcrumbing is the act of sending out flirtatious, but non-committal social signals (i.e. "breadcrumbs") in order to lure a romantic partner in without expending much effort. In other words, it's leading someone on."

So Hansel and Gretel hit the ice to do their gimmick - a performance which is meant to lead someone on... And boom, an unexpected bloodbath.

The way that Hen accidentally hands over a laryngoscope (the instrument used for examining the voice box)... Like they're saying "pay attention to what's being said". Eddie finds a pinky finger (gayyy) on the ice, Buck finds a middle finger (a message to the unexpecting audience, maybe?), Hansel blurts out that he broke up with Gretel because she wasn't leaving...

Then Bobby talks with the witch - bear in mind that "snowy owl" is also slang and basically means a counterfeit, a deception.

And 'everyone went toe pick' means unexpected face planting - Figure skaters need toe picks but beginners stumble and fall because of them. "Toe pick!" is also a movie reference, it's from Cutting Edge in which Kate, a professional figure skater keeps taunting Doug, a hockey player, who keeps falling because he isn't used to toe picks.

So here:

Kinda sounds like "one of the con artists went all in and everyone fell for it."

But Bobby, as it turns out, is no amateur, he used to figure skate and the toe picking instantly makes him think of sequins...

Bobby knows what to look for, the thing that stops you in your tracks.

Where does this keen eye for sequins come from, the team wonders...

Also might I point out the music choice... It's Paganini, the composer who was known for his incredible virtuosity with both violin AND guitar. He was such an incredible virtuoso with the violin what rumour said he'd sold his soul to the devil. The queer subtext of delivering the line 'who says you can't do both?' to the notes of a known deviant such as Paganini? Strong.

(Notice where Chimney is pointing...?)

Also Hen's expressions while she's looking at Buck and Eddie...

🤔 Who says you can't do both.

(Oh, also the way the witch is green like in Wizard of Oz, and Hansel "has no heart" much like Tinman... Are you perhaps saying that we're not in Kansas anymore?)

And hey, the name of the episode was Malfunction.

"A wardrobe malfunction is a clothing failure that accidentally or intentionally exposes a person's intimate parts."

So they've exposed something intimate, there's a sequin on the ice... Too bad for the ones who can't see it. Might end up faceplanting real hard.

[cleoselene]

still chugging along on Lost

just finished 3x08 and HOLY SHIT. This shit is getting fun. I'm leaning toward this whole thing being a shared psych ward delusion. There's definitely a theme of being trapped, in a sort of purgatory without understanding.

Knowing Damon Lindelof is a huge Twin Peaks fans I've been looking for some kind of easter egg and I feel like dropping a building on a man with red shoes being a very obvious Wizard of Oz allusion in 3x08 is the closest, because Lynch always puts a zillion Wizard of Oz references in his work. otherwise, the other Lynchian thing is that this story feels wholly original.

I have considered that this is also some kind of cosmic prison? Like most of these people have, to put it mildly, checkered pasts. Even our hero Jack the doctor has a deeply troubling history of making out with patients/their families. It seems like some kind of punishment is being meted out.

My favorite character is Sayid because he's hot and also I like how over everyone's stupid shit he always looks. Also the way he looked at Shannon made me WIBBLY. Second favorite is Locke but dude needs like, someone to hold his hand so as to not get scammed by people holy shit lmao his backstory is like, a Nigerian prince scam gone nightmarish. Getting conned out of a kidney is legit urban legend shit. But I like how he had such FAITH that not entering the numbers into the computer would be FINE, just like he had faith in his father and faith his hitchhiker buddy wasn't a UC cop.

Not entirely feeling the love triangle between Kate-Jack-Sawyer lol but it almost feels incidental? I just don't care which one Kate would rather make out with sorry

anyway I'm loving the ride. have had this song in my head the whole time, a delightful ditty about seducing your girl by asking if she would like to watch Lost:

[tuiyla]

Buffy s3 quick thoughts

Alright I simply must write out Buffy s3 thoughts before we go any further. Up to 3x08 right now.

The double Slayer of it all

This is something I for sure wanna do another post about and who knows how my feelings for about Faith evolve but I just wanna note that the double Slayer thing is super interesting and thus far they're not doing enough with the concept. Sure, Kendra and Faith are both foils to Buffy and they form a spectrum where Kendra was more reserved and organized but also more mechanical and less her own person than Buffy. And Faith is wilder, a loner, troubled kid who's overall more willing to dive in head first and embrace darker aspects which is dangerous no matter how cool she looks doing it. Compared to just one of them, Buffy might seem inadequate from certain aspects but compared to both she's balanced. And the show certainly does still treat her as the one true Slayer which is where my problems come in.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we'll see a LOT more of the Buffy and Faith parallels and comparisons so I'm not going to lament the lack of that just yet. I do however feel like the existence of another Slayer should be treated more seriously in-universe. Not only should another Slayer be a constant reminder that Buffy died and came back but it should reshuffle her whole identity, hitherto shaped by being the Chosen One. She's now part of the Chosen Two and on the second second Slayer at that and it barely registers as an existential crisis? Couldn't be me. I'll elaborate on this later (if you'd like?) but yeah I just wish the show tapped into the enormous potential of this more. Also the Council?? And the Watchers?? Should not be as chill about this. But maybe there are upcoming things that prove they aren't.

And then there's how quickly Kendra as a Black woman was discarded and not really mourned at all beyond being a footnote in Buffy's really bad no good terrible day. She was a plot device to get the shitty day to be even shittier and replaced with Faith, a Slayer with a much larger role very quickly. And I just think that's not a great look for the show in terms of race. And the 1998 and "different time" card doesn't really fly. It is what it is.

The Scooby Gang and friendships/relationships

Okay first of all I think there's only been a Scooby reference once so far so I hope the fandom didn't stick with this term for two decades because of that one-off line. Second, and I don't even know why I'm getting started on this when I know I won't elaborate properly but they way people are way too quick to be harsh on Buffy bothers me. There are instances when I think she should get what the hell hero moments but my good 3x02 was painful to watch. I'm cutting Willow some slack because generally she's the best friend you could have and handles things way more maturely than the others do, all the while being adorable. But s3 is when I stop resisting being pissed off by Xander. Overall the series does seem aware when he's being an ass but not enough for my tastes and the vibe of 3x02 was way too "both sides were wrong" for my taste when really Buffy was way more justified in her hurt than any other character. I did appreciate Cordy standing up for her, but I also often feel like Cordy deserves better friends - certainly a better boyfriend - and frankly a show that threats her better. God only knows if that show will be Angel or not.

And not only friendships but the romance drama. Sure, it's expected but I can hardly believe anyone actually liked the Willow and Xander thing. Oz is alright but he's also kinda flat as a character and even being a werewolf doesn't give him much colour. Like I said, Cordy has always deserved better than Xander and though I feel like they'll inevitably get back together, I wish they wouldn't. Swear I had more thoughts on romances but they're largely frustrating so I'll leave it at that.

3x07 is always cursed

Actually I'm not done talking about Faith because I really need to talk about the lackluster writing of 3x07. I'm not mad that conflict is arising between Buffy and Faith, I'm mad that it's done poorly. Like I said it's such a rich potential for a juicy juicy dynamic and not only are they not utilizing it, they half-assed their big break of trust moment. Mrs. Post was way underdeveloped, along with Faith's ch actually. Because if only we spent more effort on establishing Faith as someone who's hard to trust and has issues and easily retreats into hurt and isolation I'd be a'ight it hurts to see but I get that she'd be sus of Buffy from now on. But we didn't. There were no real Faith focused moments between her introductory ep and 3x07. She gets offended when the Gang holds the Angel intervention without her but the baddie Watcher barely has to do anything to get Faith to act all stupid about it. The whole Xander scene and then immediately wanting to attack Angel, it just came out of nowhere and honestly made me feel like I missed a scene. It's not completely unreasonable for a Slayer to want to kill a vampire as notorious as Angel. After all, Kendra also left Angel for dead and that was before he went back to being Angelus. But this was just so... convoluted when it really didn't have to be.

This could have been the start of a really compelling arc that hurts me, personally, as someone who's ready to be baited by Fuffy - and for all I know, it might turn out to be delicious. But the initial conflict was so poorly executed and half-assed, and after the Angelus twist of season 2 I'm expecting better. If you can deliver that much of a gut punch with Buffy's bf you can do it with her gf, too. I dare BTVS to break my heart over Fuffy but ONLY if they do it right. Do it, you cowards, write me a tragedy.

And that was Buffy corner with tuiyla! Stay tuned for when we jump back in time and catch up on seasons 1 and 2.

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Jess Watches // Sun 3 Dec // Day 72 Synopses & Favourite Scenes & Poll

Ugly Betty (with mum) 3x08 Tornado Girl

Betty needs Daniel's help to prevent a PR nightmare for the magazine.

When will someone hire a plane to skywrite me things I need to do. I can always see out of my window so it would be very useful lol. And whoever is styling Wilhelmina, this season in particular, I could kiss you on the mouth. She looks gorgeous.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer 3x04 Beauty and the Beasts

Oz becomes the prime suspect when a series of animal-like attacks occur in Sunnydale.

Willow trusting Oz and doing everything she can to prove his innocence. Even pulling were-oz by the tail (lol) to stop him accidentally mauling Faith. And Buffy finally getting decent counselling only for him to be killed being another reason for her to close herself off emotionally :'(

The Dragon Prince 5x02 Old Wounds

Worried by Claudia's relentless pace, Terry dreams up a creative solution. Rayla and Callum set out for Lux Aurea. Ezran prepares to address the dragons.

Terry consistently, but always gently, encouraging Claudia to take breaks and rest and to look after herself. If only she and Soren had more people in their lives growing up who actually cared about their wellbeing. And Rayllum snuggling under the goofy/violently-named stars was vey cute. Everyone finding safe spaces to breathe more easy.

BBC Ghosts 5x06 Last Resort (Series Finale)

Mike and Alison receive an offer which is beyond their expectations. An offer of which, will change their lives forever.

Mike only having one pro, but it being a goodie: I love it here. :') I'm thrilled at their decision not to let the land become a golf resort. And although the previous ep had more heightened emotions, the last scene of Julian apologizing to Allison as the other ghosts stood behind him was very moving. I wonder what the Christmas Special will be about because this was a pretty perfect send off.

[pirathotten]

I just watched Oz 3x08 "Out o' Time"

[theorigin-isyou]

I'm in love with Oz, he's such a sweet guy. If Willow doesn't want him anymore I'll take him

[fyeahvulnerablemen]

“Tragedy, makes it’s own plan.” -Zoo 3x08/3x09

[herinsectreflection]

Whatever you feel about the Willow/Xander relationship in S3 (and I am Not A Fan, to be honest, I think the way it's written is very sudden and struggles for a lack of romantic chemistry), I think it's very interesting that it comes in at a time just after Angel has come back and she is hiding him and trying to avoid any romance with him - and also when Faith is asking Buffy to Homecoming and they're doing their whole "oh, I wouldn't use the word 'dating' exactly" thing.

Like, Xander and Willow are always respresentative of a part of Buffy. And so when Xander and Willow are having these suddden romantic urges that they don't really understand and try to repress because of their pre-existing relationships with Oz and Cordelia, we can and should interpret that as indicating that Buffy too, is experiencing some unwanted romantic urges that she is desperately trying to repress.

Of course, I think the actual intended meaning of this is Buffy's feelings for Angel. She is trying to repress her attraction to him - partially because of her guilt over what happened in S2, and partially because of the pure logistical impossibility of them having sex again. That's why Xander and Willow are found out in Lovers Walk, the same episode where Spike calls out Buffy and Angel, and they are forced to admit that they can't repress their feelings and be "just friends" - they must confront them.

However, when you have this whole arc about Buffy trying to hide and ignore her sexuality, even if only a heterosexual sexuality is intended there, the queer reading of that story becomes so obvious, and honestly just so much more interesting to me. It's easy to read Buffy as somebody struggling with their sexuality and trying to ignore it. And then you add Faith, who for so many reasons is coming across as unintentionally queer-coded, and you get this very clear second metaphor appearing.

Buffy has two close relationships at this point in the season with people she insists are "just friends": Angel, and Faith. Meanwhile, Xander and Willow are also insisting that they're "just friends" whilst barely concealing their obvious attraction to each other. The metaphor is clearly that Buffy has an irresistable attraction to her "just friend" that she is unwilling and unable to act on. And while I think only one of these was intended, I think you can validly read it as representative of either Angel or Faith - or both, even.

"Yes. Actually, I am [seeing Angel]. Look, but there's not gonna be any rash. Anywhere. Okay. We're, we're friends. That's all either of us wants." - Buffy Summers, 3x08 Lovers Walk

"I wouldn't use the word 'dating', but I am going out with somebody. Tonight, as a matter of fact. ... Really, we're just good friends." - Buffy Summers, 3x07 Revelations

"Okay, well, let me ask you this: what are they gonna know? That we're friends. Old, old friends. And maybe we've had one or two indiscretions, but that's all past. Look. We're just very good friends who like to hang out, and can I kiss your earlobe?" - Xander Harris, 3x08 Lovers Walk

[opponentsheir]

Hi!

Favourite scene from Snowpiercer season 3?

Canon compliant ship?

Non-canon/implied in canon ship?

Character who the writers have done wrong?

😁

Hello! You're getting multiple answers for each of these questions. 😅

My favourite scene from Snowpiercer season 3:

1. In the finale when Audrey was singing "Blacklisted" as the New Eden train was going super fast and about to derail. AND when our characters stepped outside for the first time!!!

2. Javi breaking down and Ben just hugging him in 3x03.

3. I thought Oz proposing to LJ was freaking adorable in 3x02.

4. LJ stabbing Kevin in the neck in 3x03 with no remorse. That was funny and I loved the song that was playing while it happened.

5. Carly talking talking to her dad in 3x06 when he was locked up, trying to get him to come home. AND them dancing together during lockdown in 3x08.

Canon compliant ship:

1. LJ/Oz probably? 😅

2. Ruth and Pike were cute for like 2 episodes?

Non-canon/implied ship:

1. Murray & Emilia Listen, I loved the Last Australians and they clearly had a little thing for each other but RIP to them 😑.

2. Javi and Sykes as just an unspecified ship... As in they could be a friendship or romantic ship. I think they're good for each other.

3. Ruth & "anyone who treats her right who won't die." My girl deserves love.

4. Bess & Zarah oop— 👀

Character who the writers have done wrong:

1. Miss Audrey was done wrong, she has an interesting story/arc but they needed to flesh it out more. I feel like they missed some important stuff with her.

2. Josie. Does this woman not hold a grudge? Melanie tortured her and then tried to murder her... And then Josie saved her. And. It. Wasn't. Talked. About. I need this whole Josie/Melanie thing to be talked about. I also think Josie deserves better than Layton oop— 👀

3. Asha. I thought she was going to have a much larger role... A more important role... But they introduced her for a lie and then killed her off.

Thanks for the ask!

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I would love for you to talk more indepth about the montage. To me it feels so off and weird. Almost like a parody? So many scenes in it are "funny" moments that just don't make sense in the context of an emotional overview of the road so far... (Like all the scenes where Dean is eating, Donna with donut dust on her face, Sam getting hit during the game show.) I don't know. Isn't the montage supposed to make me nostalgic, teary-eyed? This one definitely doesn't do it for me!

Here I am! Yes, I absolutely agree. The montage is Weird(TM). It’s kind of a tone rollercoaster. It’s very full of funny/silly moments, with some serious moments smacked in. And it definitely looks like... there’s something about it.

For an easier consultation I will reference the gifs I have made of the montage sequence here.

[Gif 1] It starts pretty much like I’d expect a Supernatural goodbye montage to start. The two brothers meeting for the first time in the pilot, a reminder of their childhood with John, their banter still from the pilot, a couple moments of them driving in the car in the first seasons, Dean saving Lucas in 1x03 which is the first Dean-heavy episode and also an extremely symbolic moment for Dean’s entire journey - just think at how Lucas as a mirror was still relevent during the “drowning” Michael possession arc. Everything feels normal so far. We’re starting from the beginning! Now--

[Gif 2] Interesting and weird choices start here. Them pretending to be high school teachers from After School Special 4x13 - actually a very iconic moment for the fandom, remember that post of Dean in shorts from that episode that you had to reblog when it came on your dash? (Actually I’m not sure if I ever reblogged it lol.) Dean celebrating getting young again from The Curious Case of Dean Winchester 5x07 (and Jensen showing off his agility). The two of them showing their FBI badges to Jesse Turner’s biological mother in 5x06. Dean mowing the lawn of Mary’s house in the Djinn dream and immediately after Jess and Sam kissing also in the Djinn dream, from What Is And What Should Never Be 2x20. Then Dean after killing the witch when he was under the memory loss spell, in Regarding Dean 12x11. Sam happy when they celebrate Christmas in A Very Supernatural Christmas 3x08. Them being “lucky” under the effect of the rabbit’s foot in Bad Day At Black Rock 3x03. Sam also happy in Baby 11x04.

Again the present, then the montage starts again with the water-related ghost from Red Sky At Morning 3x06, a Bela episode, and then Bela herself from her first episode, 3x03 again.

What do these moments have in common? Not all of them, but for many of them I’d say reality being manipulated. The Djinn dream, the rabbit foot, Dean’s aging, the Antichrist... and it’s not over yet. Also, them pretending to be teachers, agents etc - not “real”.

[Gif 3] The tone suddenly gets more serious and relevant to current events: Chuck in The Monster at the End of This Book 4x18 (eh). Death in Two Minutes to Midnight 5x21 (the first appearance of Death, while now we’ve had Billie’s last and a very short-lived new one), and then two major moments from Lazarus Rising - Dean emerging from the grave and finding the handprint on his shoulder. Crowley’s first episode, Abandon All Hope 5x10. Zachariah’s death in Point Of No Return 5x18. Anna from The Song Remains The Same 5x13, where she is the antagonist having been brainwashed successfully by heaven. Michael burning and Sam jumping in the cage with Michael in 5x22, then another moment from 4x01 (the brothers hugging after reuniting). A moment from The French Mistake 6x15 (reality fuckery again!). Sam in Frontierland 6x18.

[Gif 4] Reality fuckery continues with Becky marrying Sam in 7x08. Funnily enough, this is the peak of Becky’s obsessive behavior which she went to therapy for and grew away of - it definitely emphasizes how far Becky has come. Donna’s first appeance in 9x13. That iconic shot of Dean in Bloodlust 2x03 because he’s pretty. Charlie’s first appearance in 7x20 while she dances to Walking On Sunshine (relevant?), Kevin’s first appearance in 7x21 when he becomes a prophet (lots of firsts). Abaddon’s first appearance in As Time Goes By 8x12. Then there’s the first appearance of the bunker, in the next episode, a couple shots in fact. Then more 4x01, Ruby pretending to mistake Dean for the pizza man (eh). Then more present...

This section seems to be mostly “first appearances” - including Ruby’s s4 meatsuit, i.e. Genevieve’s first appearance.

[Gif 5] We suddenly jump to more recent events with Kelly and Jack in heaven in Byzanthium 4x08. Jack’s iconic hello from 4x16 Don’t Go In The Woods. Dean teaching Jack how to drive in 14x07 Unhuman Nature. But then we suddenly go from Jack things to something completely different on the surface: two consecutive moments from Changing Channels 5x08, including the iconic Nutcracker scene, and Sully from Just My Imagination. We are actually back to the previous theme: reality fuckery. Gabriel’s episode was about placing them in “television shows”, Sully, while real, is literally a child’s “imaginary friend”. And then... a moment from the cartoon part of Scoobynatural! It doesn’t get more reality fuckery than that. Oh, wait! Charlie and Dorothy going to Oz in 9x04. That’s a pretty strong contender. Dean being hit in the face by a fairy in 6x09 - also about a realm Dean briefly went to. And, in case we felt like we hadn’t gotten enough 4x01 yet, Pamela’s first appearance (her last, albeit a hallucination, was about the whole “How come you only want what you can't have?” thing).

[Gif 6] We continue again with a mixture of firsts and weird things. Ellen’s first appearance in 2x02, Dean and Cas in 4x18 (we saw Chuck from that episode earlier), Jody’s first appearance in 5x15 Dead Men Don’t Wear Plaid. Rufus in 6x04 Weekend At Bobby’s (not his first but a good episode...), Garth in 9x12 Sharp Teeth (not his first but the first in which he is a werewolf and is married... relevant to recent lamp events??), Missouri in 1x09 (her first appearance).

Then Gabriel from 13x21 Beat The Devil (an episode where he plays a trick on Lucifer) and Rowena from the same scene (in fact a scene where they’re flirting).  Then Eileen coming back to life in 15x06 and smiling at Sam. Jo flirting with Dean in 2x02 - her first appearance, again. Funnily enough, she had been introduced as a love interest, but ended up being repurposed as a sisterly figure. Tempted to say it’s relevant in an ironic way. Mary in 14x11 Damaged Goods, when Dean has a goodbye mother-son moment with her. Amara in 11x09 Oh Brother Where Art Thou when she was looking for her brother. Then Lucifer in two different vessels (12x07 Rock Never Dies and 12x21, when Lucifer regains control over the vessel).

Then Metatron doing the find a wife make babies speech to Cas in 8x23! Relevant??? Dun dun dun. Then Ketch for some reason (the first episode where we see his face, 12x08 LOTUS).

[Gif 7] Then Jo/Anael in 13x13, another first appearance. (I cropped these horribly I should have cut them when the present happens lol.)

Sandwiched between two shots from the present, Dean Sam Mary and John having dinner together in 14x13 Lebanon.

Then we start again with Dean riding Larry in 12x11, Dean and Cas dressed as cowboys in 13x06 (mini pattern here...), Asmodeus with the archangel blade in 13x13 (insert meta about Asmodeus in Christian lore here), and the really intriguing “Intermission” shot from the play in 10x05.

[Gif 8] To continue a certain pattern we might be tempted to see, Dean eating piecake from 14x06 Optimism (an episode about a distorted version of romantic love), then Dean eating noodles from 10x13 Halt & Catch Fire (the ghost is a husband that passes on thanks to his wife). Dean after his dentistry session with Garth in 15x10. Meg from 6x10 Caged Heat (the episode with the pizza man porn). Dean and Sam investigating in 4x12 Criss Angel Is a Douchebag (an episode about growing old poorly). Crowley in 10x16 Paint It Black (that episode). Dean playing that game in 14x17 Game Night (the episode Cas calls for God, and when Mary dies - the one playing the game was God...). Sam and Dean getting out of the car in 13x05 when they visit the traumatized kid (peak mourning Dean episode...). Then we go into reality fuckery territory again with 14x15 Peace of Mind, Sam under the psychic’s control and Cas disgruntled about it.

[Gif 9] Mick Davies from 12x16 Ladies Drink Free, when he learnt a lesson about monsters. Dean geeking out about the Hatchet Man - so heavy with mirror significances - in 14x04 Mint Condition. Belphegor - Jack’s dark mirror - in 15x03 The Rupture, the break-up episode. Donna’s first episode again, this time Dean and she eating donuts. Dean, Sam and Mary hugging in 12x22 after the confrontation in Mary’s head. Kaia in 13x09 The Bad Place, when Jack uses her to find the way to where Mary is (Mary pattern?). Claire&co rescuing Jody and Donna in 13x10 Wayward Sisters. Dean in 1944 dresses as a sailor in 11x14 The Vessel. Baby nyooming in 15x11 The Gamblers...

Aaand more Changing Channels, the genital herpes ad. It’s almost like reality fuckery is a theme. Followed by Sam drinking the anti-cold concoction at Garth’s in 15x10 and the two of them outside the monster fighting pit in the same episode. Then Cas, Dean, Sam and Jack on a video call with Ketch in 14x09 The Spear when they talk about the egg to trap Michael.

[Gif 10] We stay in the same episode with the four of them heading to Michael. Then the four of them celebrating Jack’s return to life (after Cas’ deal with the Empty). More present, and then the iconic “we’ve got work to do” [trunk closes] moment from the pilot.

So: some of these moments seem like genuine moments you’ll want to put in a montage, but there’s a weird predominance of characters smiling and looking happy or goofy. It’s kind of... not exactly representative of the show as a whole, you know? There are moments that fit as, you know, iconic steps in the story, but surprisingly few, and many moments you’d expect to be in a “final” montage are blatantly not there. Several moments with, let’s put it like this, suspicious meta connotations. Moments that, well, we don’t know what happens in the finale yet, but smell like they might be relevant to future developments. (Metatron’s speech to newly human Cas anyone?)

What really strikes me is the amount of moments connected to reality being manipulated or distorted in some way. Lots of Changing Channels, fantasy elements of various kinds (the Djinn dream, Scoobynatural, Oz, the imaginary friend Becky’s wedding to Sam, the fairy, ...), them acquiring luck (s3) or losing it (s15), and so on. It’s almost like the sequence is telling us something...

Thoughts?

[crimsonxe]

I guess pt. 2 to the “What if-RWBY” since I’m watching a fresh reactor going through the series and they’ve just gotten to 3x08. Then said that they really hope Pyrrha doesn’t die (que the “oooooo yeah... about that”):

I’d love to see a “What if” scenario where Pyrrha had Amber’s aura successfully transferred into her and the resulting incarnate in-universe “composite character” of the two. Not like 2 minds, 1 body like Oz and Oscar; but literally having a character with memories, skills, and quirks from both mixed together into what is a new character. How that would impact the story, the relationships (especially with Jaune), etc. Also just the concept of a literal in-universe “composite character” is pulling as a high concept, Gen;lock comes close to exploring the vein of identity but as far as I can remember never actually dipped into this particular vein (not counting Nemesis and Chase cause they didn’t merge, just information was taken; same the the GL team in that they all maintained themselves with no merging).

Random thought put out there.