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[who-is-riley]

Hello Wyll Nation

Update

[shewolfofficial]

[wormsforbrains]

The first time making this. 😭 also this is in my opinion on how I feel they would’ve reacted, feel free to include your own opinion.

(I went to the shops today and I feel so good right now! 🐸)

[jagalart]

The Iron Mask

Two Elden Ring Orests I've drawn as a fineliner test some weeks ago, based on a sketch from 2023🖤 I want to return to some other traditional techniques besides pencil, so I'm doing these experiments when I'm not home and I can't work on commissions 🖤

[nimiana]

Orin the Red, importance of burial and bodily autonomy or lack thereof

Orin doesn't leave a body behind. Her remains are similar to her armor - a bloody mess that doesn't even resemble a person. It's not even marked as Orin. You want to cast speak with the dead on her? Too bad.

Mutilation of a corpse and lack of proper burial is one of the biggest fears that's been haunting humanity and, as I believe, further reinforces the overall theme of Orin's lack of personhood. Since I have a degree in classics and I'm slightly insane about the similarities between House of Atreus and Bhaalfamily, let's dig into the topic from the perspective of Greek texts.

Starting with the Iliad. Thorough the story, despite gory and very detailed description of each death, battles end with a truce allowing both sides to gather their dead and give them a proper burial:

VII 380-7, tr. R. Fagles.

Hector's dying wish is for his body to be return to his family:

which Achilles immediately refuses - thus breaking the custom:

Op. cit. XXII 398-417.

See Andromache's lament at the sight of Achilles' mutilating Hector's corpse:

Op. cit. XXII 597-605.

Her speech paints a grim picture of rot, pointing to physical destruction of Hector's body and contrasting it with care and love he should be treated with.

Achilles' actions finally bring down divine intervention as Apollo urges other gods to stop his madness:

Op. cit. XXIV 39-51.

Achilles is likened to a lion - his lack of respect for burial rites is inhuman. Compassion (ἔλεος) and respect (αἰδώς) are a meter of one's humanity. What to we get from it? One of earliest known literary works underlines that even in the midst of brutal war, act of proper burial is sacred, regardless of the enmity between men. Deliberate mutialtion of corpse and denial of one's burial is horrific and impious. To quote Emily Vermeule:

Moving on to classical times. Before we go to Antigone, let's make a short stop for the Oresteia cycle. Twice is mentioned that Klytemnestra not only murdered Agamemnon, but also mutilated his corpse:

Sophokles, Elektra, 439-447, tr. H. Kitto.

Aeschylus, Libation Bearers, 439-443,. tr. A. Brown

Verb μασχαλίζειν is used in both instances, and, as Francis Dunn points out, evidence suggests that it adapts ritualistic language more fit to animal sacrifice to describe disfiguration of a corpse with intention of either shame towards the deceased and their family. Again we see that the idea of mutilation of a corpse is seen as something extreme and wrong, that should stir the audience with anger.

Now, Antigone (and Seven Agains Thebes). The story of brothers killing each other, resulting in one of them being denied the right to burial. Without getting into the debate of whethere state can dictate laws and natural versus cultural orders of things, let's see how the issue of leaving corpse unburied is described.

Aeschylus, Seven Against Thebes, 1294-1311, tr. H. Bacon

Op. cit. 1324-37

Op. cit. 1368-74

Firstly, lack of burial is an extension of punishment and secondly, grieving one's nearest kin is an universal, basic feeling.

Sophokles, Antigone, 961-79, tr. R. Gibbons, C. Segal

Antigone's speech points out one more important thing: burial must be carried out by one's nearest kin (to which I will come back later). She (and her sister) are the last remaining members of their family and the responsibility falls on them.

The last example is, chronologically speaking, the youngest, but nonetheless striking. In one of his partially surviving comedies (yeah, comedies), The Shield, Menander describes in detail a gory afermath of a battle from the perspective of a survivor who lost his master in a turmoil. As a result, a family is bereaved of an heir and left without his body to bury.

Tr. S. Ireland.

The play itself was written and staged during the period the Wars of the Diadochi. Menander described a grim scene - mass grave, mutilated bodies, lack of proper, individual burial - which was a well known reality for his audience and a nightmare that haunt them. The story ends with the young master alive and returned to his family, giving the viewers a sense of closure they couldn't have in reality.

Leaving the fiction behind, public funerals and annually paid honors to the deceased were also important for shaping collective memory. Families of men killed in combat had a chance to cherish memories of them and, in case of young children, to learn about their fathers.

Ever since the Homeric epics, the theme of immortality gained through collective memory is prevelant. Memory is shaped during funerary rites and cult surrounding the burial site, for which physical remains are necessary. As Gregory Nagy concludes:

And, lastly, despite funrary games being public and serving the purpose of a state, funeral itself was a family business and duty (hence the disruptions in funerary practice in the house of Atreus served to show how badly the family was messed up).

What does it mean for Orin?

Orin cannot be buried. As a result, she cannot be properly mourned and remembered. She is bereaved of this incredibly basic, primal right that no one should be denied.

If she can't be remembered, did she even exist? Was she a person?

Well, the game is inclined towards taking it from her.

Helena and Orin - mother and daughter, sister and sister - are trapped in a cycle of abuse even in death. Orin preserves Helena's body in her chambers and calls herself Helena's daughter. Where Orin's remains are gored to nothing, Helena's remains are forever embalmed in a mockery of burial.

Neither Durge, nor Orin (nor Helena!), are allowed to have a sense of personhood apart from being their father's vessels.

As someone with a bad enough relationship with my father, I am ar marvel at how the writers managed to show how abused children still yearn for their parents. It's not their affection.

The last words Orin hears before she is turned into slayer are taking her personhood away.

Off with her family tree, off with love her felt for Sarevok and any trace of affection she had for Helena, any last remaining emotion she felt about herself.

No more Orin. The fact that no body remains of her - not Orin, but Orin's Gore Pile - is the only possible consequence.

You cannot mourn murder and there's no Orin to mourn. As we've seen from cited above classical sources, mourning one's family is not only one's responsibility, it is the most basic, primal human need. How can you remember someone without burying them, without performing funerary rites from them? Every familial bond is destroyed here, every rite crooked. No one here can move on with their grief. Before Orin was murder, she was Orin, but how can anyone remember her now, with no proof that she even existed?

The last thing I have on my mind is this quote from Jean Anouilh's Antigone (tr. L. Galantiere):

She was my sister.

[1ndivara]

KLYTEMNESTRA & AGAMEMNON (CIRCA 500 BC)

inspired by "judith with the head of holofernes" by louis finson (1574-1617 AD)

[ao3dorian-gay]

chase you to the end of the world — just to say your name once more // orpheus & eurydice — lu guang & cheng xiaoshi

hozier, “talk” | hadestown, "wait for me" | michael gibson, orpheus and eurydice | euripides, orestes

[sakokii]

Some bits and pieces from the first arc of their story!!

It was by serendipity that Oresté saved Casden's life. A moment later and he would have been grafting scraps.

[ihopeudrownmore]

Mer De Noms

[the-hottest-band-tournament]

Round Three of The Hottest 80s Band Tournament

Slayer

Defeated opponents: Fugazi, Madness

Formed in: 1981

Genres: Thrash metal

Lineup: Tom Araya- bass, vocals

Kerry King- guitar

Jeff Hanneman- guitar

Dave Lombardo- drums

Albums from the 80s:

Show No Mercy (1983)

Hell Awaits (1985)

Reign in Blood (1986)

South of Heaven (1988)

Propaganda: 

Santana

Defeated opponents: The Alan Parsons Project, Modern English

Formed in: 1966

Genres: Latin rock, blues rock

Lineup: Alex Ligertwood – vocals, rhythm guitar

Carlos Santana – guitar, vocals

Richard Baker – keyboards

Gregg Rolie – organ, vocals

David Margen – bass Graham Lear – drums

Armando Peraza – congas, bongos, vocals

Raul Rekow – congas, vocals

Orestes Vilató – timbales, vocals

Albums from the 80s:

Zebop! (1981)

Shangó (1982)

Beyond Appearances (1985)

The Very Best of Santana (1986)

Freedom (1987)

Viva Santana! (1988)

Propaganda: 

[silent-words]

Book club talks again, @waterdeep-weavemoss and @crimson-and-lavender I hope you'll be interested.

Can Wyll be Orestes? He has to save his father despite not seeing him for years before that. He does not avenge his father directly, but he still has moral difficulties.

Also tag @auroraesmeraldarose (only if you want to participate, of course).

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i just had a heated conversation with @sevyn-stars about how i don't post on tumblr enough so i've crawled out of my hole to post this

this quote destroys me and i hope it destroys you anyways im going back to my hole goodbye and good luck

[moonlit-sweet-dreams]

Orestes by Euripides, tr. by Anne Carson

Yuri kills Tei on the spot with 4 words.

[ofpd]

reading les mis in class is a bad idea because sometimes people die and you can't immediately kill yourself over it

[shamedumpster]

I was reminded I actually drew a followup to this back when I first posted this, oops! Angst treat for you <3

Enjoltaire Tangled AU anyone?

(in which instead of becoming a prince in the end, Enjolras decides to become a thief as well and he and Grantaire steal the crown and run away together. ☺️)

Thank you @pumpkinspice-prouvaire for being a co-conspirator on this silly little AU