#or maybe anti villain

[glooooopyyyy]

underrated take: Both Nightwing and Redhood should be separate from the batfam doing their own things

[ravenalla]

The Virgin Lucifer vs. The Chad Black Hat

[strangely-a-mcu-fan]

The Wanda stans are already getting mad when it only seems that the MCU finally took a look back and realized what this character always was and how she had to turn out for her to make sense.

[queercontrarian]

i get so mad every time i see someone say "well tamlin did nothing for feyre utm" YEAH OF FUCKING COURSE?? IT WAS SAID IN THE BOOK THAT HE LITERALLY FUCKING COULDN'T. like i'm sorry he's not the one with mind-to-mind communication powers?? what was he supposed to do?? he was watched at all times, most of the time amarantha had her attention on him, AND he had no powers anymore. and if he had found a way to help her despite all that he would still have to expect to be found out immediately because rhysand, at this point still amarantha's right hand man in the eyes of everyone, can use his powers to expose him and likely doom those he loves and what is left of his court, feyre and lucien being the first in line to be punished for his actions. if i were in his shoes i wouldn't risk it either, especially because rhysand has betrayed them before (giving amarantha clare beddor's name even though he made tamlin - and lucien - literally beg him not to).

could he have shown more emotion? probably. would it have riled amarantha up even more and in turn hurr feyre worse? very likely also yes. don't forget amarantha used torturing feyre to torture tamlin as well. showing no reaction is a gamble, that maybe made things a little less horrid than they could have been. we don't know, we'll never know because it didn't happen and we weren't there to see how it was with clare beddor (and also we got very little on amarantha as a person other than she is incredibly evil).

was the scene where they made out incredibly dumb? yes. on both parts. i'll be the first to be angry at how stupid that was. they should have known better, especially tamlin. but they were both desperate and thought it might be the last time they see each other. i get it.

and then the scene where tamlin "didn't do anything while feyre was dying?" HE WAS ALSO DYING?? did y'all forget he was literally stabbed right before that happened? and amarantha kept him from healing himself? so there was nothing he could do but beg on his knees because he physically couldn't stand. and as soon as he could heal himself he murked amarantha.

he did what he could. was it enough to help feyre? no, not even close. the only thing he did was kill amarantha and try not to make it even worse for her utm by not drawing attention to her.

and if you're going to hate tamlin, go ahead and hate him. but please do it for good reason, not this bullshit.

[ageless-aislynn]

It’s me. Hi.

I’m the problem. It’s me.

At tea time, everybody agrees

I'll stare directly at the sun but never in the mirror It must be exhausting, always rooting for the anti-hero

“Anti-Hero” - Taylor Swift

[donewiththisshitplsstop]

I hate it with a burning passion when people say that we're using the Juri Vips situation to make RBR and MV the Villains. Because you don't get to call us delusional. Not now when were connecting the dots between RBR firing a racist employee, the team principal accusing Lewis Hamilton (only black driver - ever) of faking injury and purposefully crashing into an opponent and the RBR driver development program head accusing Lewis of taking performance enhancing drugs. Not then, when we were criticising someone for using ableist language (twice) despite having been asked for an apology by the organisation that they offended (He said 'not my problem by the way) and not when you guys were saying it was a 'heat of the moment' or that' he's young' or he's Dutch'. You don't get to make us the villain when were connecting some very disturbing dots, not when you were defending racially charged language and ableist language in 4k with your whole chest. RBR was a problem. It enables the use of ableist and racially charged language. As suggested by fired unnamed team mumbler, raical slurs by Vips, ableist slurs by MV and racially charged language by Marko and Horner. Do not make us the villains in this scenario when we're the one's who've actually called out racist and ableist language. You don't get to pick and choose, you don't get to say Vips was wrong and then say but don't make RBR and MV the villains, when they all did the same thing. But for whatever reason when we actually called ableist language out we were the ones who couldn't take a joke, or we were reading too much into literal slurs. You don't get to absolve RBR and MV of any wrongdoing and then go and condemn Vips. Call them all out, or none of them.

[hannaxjo]

i just went to tik tok, and i came across a post about tony stark. i watched the post, and spent like five minutes reading the comments. and not until i read the caption did i realize that the person who posted the video was a tony stan.

i genuinely thought that they were a tony anti. how in the hell-

it just seemed so satire, i thought it was satire. it wasn't.

[violetlunette]

EDIT: I see that these old posts are getting attention. Please keep in mind that these anti-lov posts were written before I knew the whole story and I was recovering from an extremely tense time. As such, these are inaccurate due to lack of information.

So, I’ve been seeing people say that Bakagou is worse than the League of Villains.

Really. A kid that was a bully is worse than an organization of kidnappers, murderers, and TERRORISTS?

Guy. Guy, please. Don’t do this. Don’t stir my moral pot and make me defend Bakagou—sigh.

Bakugou Critical and Bakugou defenses below. Both parties have been warned.

Severe anti-League of Villains below.

Okay, look; I will be the first to admit that Bakagou pulled shit in the past,t and the writing lets him get off with a lot. (Those will get their own posts.) However, all the damage he’s done can be repented for. And in his own way, he is trying to grow. However, he’s taking the long way (the VERY long way) because Bakagou very rarely, if ever called out on his shit. Name one time Bakagou was called out for his actions before UA. And even at UA when does he get more than a slap on the wrist? Not to mention the VERY few times people call him out they always cover it up by saying, that’s just Bakagou, or admiring his determination. It’s like a dog pissing on the couch, and you raise your voice for a minute, then give them a treat a second later. If you don’t teach them, they’re just gonna keep pissing all over the place.

“Well, he should just naturally know this” not really. While there’s no canonical evidence that Bakagou was abused, it is shown they have a very volatile way of expressing their feelings. So it’s only natural that Bakagou may have a bit of confusion about how to deal with others and how to express himself.

Because of all of these factors, Bakagou has to learn what he’s doing wrong on his own.

While I feel Bakagou has a long way to go, he does show remorse and, in his Bakagou way, is making a minimum effort. He is SLOWLY understanding what he is doing wrong. More than that, while the damage to Izuku can’t be fixed it can be healed over time. The damage the villains did can’t. Do you know why? You can’t fix dead people.

Now, the League of assholes I’ll admit are more sympathetic than Bakagou, but they do NOT hold the moral high ground.

Whatever sad story they have they caused damage that can’t be forgiven. Why? Because the dead can’t forgive. Tago killed 13 teenage boys (unless Hori changed that as well). Dabi killed 30 people—delinquents or not, he still hunted them down with the intent to kill just to get at Endeavor. And then there’s everyone who died during the hospital raid.

Death is still a big thing in this world, everyone knows that and understands the pain it brings, which is why even heroes only kill as a LAST resort.

Nearly everyone in the league KNEW what they were doing was wrong, they just used the pain of their own past to justify it. Tago knew killing people was bad, but didn’t want to suppress the part of her that craved blood. Dabe knew the same thing, but he only cared about making his father pay. Even Twice knew that committing his crimes of vandalism, theft, and assault was wrong, but did it anyway because he was angry that he was fired and tossed out on the streets.

(That being said Twice was one of the villains that could have been redeemed, which is what makes his death tragic. Tago—as much as I loathe her, I’m willing to give a SMALL pass to her as she basically never got help for the BNHA equivalent of her mental illness.)

Now, Shiggy is the ONLY member with a get-out-of-jail-free card as he has the excuse of being brainwashed his whole life. (And Kurogiri, I guess as he’s a reprogrammed animated corpse, but I digress.) But the others? They knew the consequences of their actions and did it anyway. Everyone who died or were hurt in the hospital raid? The destruction of Japan? All the pain afterward? That’s all on them.

Again, Bakagou did bad, and his writing frustrates me. I’m upset that he never had to face the consequences of his bullying, and no. The sludge villain incident and his latest wound from the villains don’t count. Neither was karma. It was the wrong place, wrong time for the first, and the second one is just a severe injury from a brainwashed villain. Now, if the villain was, oh say, the kid from the first chapter that Bakagou was beating on before Izuku intervened, then that would be karma. As is, it’s just a consequence of Bakagou being reckless. (Which he should have learned his lesson about, but I digress.) But I digress.

Bakagou is annoying (to some), but he—and the majority of the heroes—still have the moral high ground over the villains. 

And if we’re going to but the two on a scale, I’ll side with Bakagou over the terrorists who don’t care about the people they hurt.

[mummer]

oh god the fact that the first use of the phrase ‘the north remembers’ isnt in some heroic context of a return to glory and goodness and righteousness but is speaking about how their culture is built on revenge violence war and blood. Bro. It was never about righteousness. It was always about vengeance. le epic northmen who want to die bathing in bolton blood are not righteous! robb’s cause isn’t glorious either! it’s ugly that the north remembers. it’s all just sad like it’s all just more blood in the end....

[lafcadiosadventures]

Hot goss from the 1830’s: Henri de Latouche, the anti camaraderie guy, accuses Balzac of being a bad friend* -> (his actual words: “ your friendship is like a woman” aka: inconstant -eyerolling at the casual sexism-) George Sand sprang to Balzac’s defense against his toxic ex.

*in the context of the letter, friend means a sexually charged master/disciple relationship. Balzac is accused of toying with latouche’s emotions and taking advantage of his love for him.

[fandom-rants]

Wanda stans: WandaVision showed that dealing with grief and trauma is ugly!

Me: Peter Quill showed that grief and trauma don't make the average person enslave towns.

[mettywiththenotes]

God nerfed my motivation to write because she KNOWS that, given the opportunity, I would write Shiggy Izu interaction whenever I could. Even in fics that didn't have them as the center of attention

[problemswithbooks]

I’m obviously in the minority, but to me Hori really hasn’t sold me on the LoV. I know he wants his readers to like them, feel bad for them and want them to live and be saved, but I honestly don’t feel any of that.

Mostly it has to do with how he characterizes them. For the most part he only gave them sad backstories and called it a day, expecting the terrible things that happened to them to be enough to garner sympathy. And it does, to an extent. I feel bad for Shig and his pals, but that’s about all. Just a casual, that “that sucks, and shouldn’t have happened”, but that’s all.

It’s personally really hard for me to engage with these characters who do zero positive things, except care about there friends, which is kind of a low bar. I mean Enji cares about Hawks--his friend, but that doesn’t suddenly negate the shitty things he did to his kids. 

And there were so many opportunities to give them something more. Dabi complains that the Heroes are using the kids to fight, but still goes after Tokoyami. Would have really elevated his character if he’d either refused to fight him, or at least been shown to be holding back, because he doesn't want to kill a kid.

Shigaraki talks about how Heroes sweep the people they can’t save under the rug. That people are abandoned--labeled villains due to poor circumstance, yet Shigaraki’s biggest kill count are other villains. He has hated every other villain he’s come across that wasn't part of his tiny group. Would have been nice to have him try and actually forge bonds with other villains, before taking them out once he realized they had detrimental viewpoints and plans. Instead of just using them for his own needs before discarding them once they proved useless to him.   

Toga thinks about how terrible it was that the Heroes killed Jin, but is seemingly to stupid to realize that she has been killing people for years and is currently watching as the Giant Man they control is squishing people, while on the way to join their Boss who plans to level Japan--possibly killing thousands. Wow, it’s almost like those lives don’t matter to her and she doesn’t see anyone but her pals as human beings worthy of living.

Compress supposedly comes from a long line of thieves that stole from Heroes, but from what we’ve seen most Heroes aren't even rich--they’re middle class at best. Plus he hasn’t stolen anything or given back wealth to anyone, even though he works with a millionaire CEO. He doesn’t lament with Jin about how horrid poverty is or explain how Heroes are to blame for it. Did the Government cut spending on Social Programs to instead pay Heroes? How is leveling the country and forcing millions to be homeless going to fix poverty?

Twice doesn’t seem to care about what happens or if he hurts or endangers people suffering just like him, as long as he has friends. He’s literally the guy who’d jump off a bridge if his friends told him to. He has whatever moral compass will suit the people who are nice to him. If Shigaraki told him to kill a baby I have to belief he’d do it because he’s never shown to go against anything Shig does, and Shig has been shown monologuing about destroying everything over a picture of a god damn baby. 

Spinner was bullied so badly because he looks like a lizard that he couldn’t leave his house, yet he isn’t shown to really care about other Mutant type Quirk havers. He joined the LoV because he wished he was as convicted as Stain, and later realizes Shigaraki is hot and he has a destruction kink so time to kill thousands of people for his new boyfriend. The only reason he becomes the figure head of Mutant liberation is because AfO, the main bad guy, who wants to rule the entire world realized it would be good for his evil plan. Why not have him be the one to suggest it? Say that Mutant types are strong and will be a benefit to AfO, perhaps even as an ulterior motive to try and keep other mutants safe from AfO, while also gaining more equality?

I want to like these characters. More then that I want a complex story that makes me conflicted during the fight scenes. But I just don’t care. It’s really hard to be mad at S&S for going in for the kill with Shigaraki when he wasn’t any better before he was possessed and is currently trying to steal her Quirk so AfO can be unstoppable. He had the same goals as AfO, except he was the one sitting on the throne. He’d be doing what he’s doing regardless of AfO (and sure he was groomed into thinking that, but it’s not like being a victim suddenly makes him harmless).

And it’s not like I want them dead--I don’t, but at same time it doesn’t feel like a moral failing of the Heroes if they try and kill them either. It’s like in Avatar when everyone but Aang wanted Ozai dead. I’m glad Aang didn’t kill him, for his own well being, but I don’t see it as the rest of the Gang being morally wrong for wanting Ozai killed, given the situation they were in. Giving Ozai a sad past wouldn’t have changed that feeling either--because he was currently doing awful things.

[mistletouchunderthetree]

i’ve seen a lot of takes that tk did change post-dosed, that she truly loves buck (which i do believe she does in her own selfish way) and genuinely wanted to be better but that his relationship w the firefam is too much for her, that she’s poured all this into the relationship just for buck to cheat and basically already have a family without her. BUT. the fact is, we’ve actually seen buck integrating taylor into his life WITH his family. she was at the christmas party. she was at dinner at eddie’s house!! hen and chim trusted buck’s trust in her! that to me says that buck isn’t trying to have a separate family outside of her that would make her go back on her word to him. yes he has his Thing with eddie and chris, but based on the dinner scene in 5x11 he is still actively trying to combine those two parts of his life. maybe he’s not doing the best job at it and obviously the cheating was evidence of his unhappiness but i don’t know that taylor deserves the credit of saying she changed only to now go back to her old self bc of recent events. i think that taylor has been the same all along and the only reason we didn’t see it earlier is because the opportunity hadn’t arisen. if the jonah thing happened six months ago she would’ve done the exact same thing she did in hero complex.

[imposterogers]

jo... jo i've just realised... you know how t*ny st*rk is responsible for like 80% of all marvel villains? well, technically he's also responsible for the flag smashers too. if he just let the avengers go back in time to before the snap and defeat thanos then, rather than having to un-snap everyone five years later, people wouldn't have been forced out of their jobs and homes, and the flag smashers wouldn't have had to rebel against it all.

Even In Death I'm The Villain Origin Story

can we continue to blame tony stark for everything despite him being dead? yes. yes we can

[cto10121]

“you can’t ship darklina!!1! it’s super abusive and toxic and the darkling has done so many bad things—”

Yes, we know, anti. Bardugo preaches it at us over and over again for pages with the subtlety of a blunt axe. A huge chunk of whole Nikolai duology is basically about how the Darkling is an irredeemable abusive monster that no self-respecting woman should accept. Contrary to what it may appear unto thee, most fans can and do read authorial intent accurately and correctly, and they don’t try to justify the Darkling’s cruelty in that respect. We just don’t give a damn, the reason being because the Darkling just doesn’t work as a villain within the structure, framing, and botched execution of the whole damn trilogy.

You want an irredeemable Voldemort-type villain? Maybe don’t merge him with the mentor and the beastly lover archetype. Maybe don’t have the heroine mirror him in uncanny ways and get to know him personally and even exchange intimacies with him. Maybe don’t frame the narrative in such a way that the heroine’s character development from powerless to empowerment is not intimately tied not only to the villain’s help and guidance in the narrative, but symbolically through like/opposite imagery. Maybe write the manipulation of the heroine in such a way that makes sense. Maybe don’t have a deux ex machina in the form of the villain’s own mother interrupt the logical direction of the love narrative instead of the heroine discovering the truth for herself, leading the reader to automatically question this development. Maybe, instead of making the villain commit more and more implausible atrocities in a desperate attempt to prove him a villain, actually acknowledge that in terms of motivation and justice, the villain and heroine are basically on the same page, just with wildly different methods (provided that you write your heroine as having opinions and wishes and a game plan apart from destroying symbol of evil, of course). Maybe don’t have a magical Zoom connection between the villain and heroine which only works if the two are thinking about each other at the same time. Maybe don’t have your villain and heroine admit to genuine feelings of desire and longing between them. And maybe, just maybe, don’t write against the grain of the narrative’s natural progression and double-down on a forced endgame ship riddled with its own problems and one that no longer makes sense by book three.