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I read Possession by AS Byatt after people told me "if you liked Gaudy Night you'll like this" and WELL.
Warning- spoilers for both books abound below!
So it sounded great- as a lapsed academic (though not in the field of literature by any means) there's a part of me that loves reading about academia because it's full of such obsessive people, and this book seemed to be exactly that and so I was excited.
Then I read it, and on the one hand, my first thought was "all these people are dull as heck, the only sane modern-day one is Val, and at the end of the day the historical stuff is just two people having an affair, who cares." My second thought was "there's just enough stuff here that makes me think that maybe the author knows that all of this is stupid, like the fact that Val is obviously one of the few sane ones here." But the ending made me doubt even that. Essentially, and I say this even as that lapsed academic, the author could not convince me to care about the important things at stake here, and as a result couldn't get me to care about the people who only seemed to care about those things.
I didn't care about Ash and LaMotte- they came across as two people high on their own supply who had a tawdry affair. (And each of them is the less interesting person, as a person, than their official partner!) As a result of not caring about them, I couldn't POSSIBLY care about Roland, Maud, and the rest of their crew, because their only functions were to be possessed by, and weirdly possessive of, these two entirely unworthy individuals, whose in-universe historical and literary significance Byatt couldn't convince me of, and to use that possession as a mirror for their own very lame romance. Beyond that they're utterly uninteresting, and there isn't even meant to BE much beyond that so it's not that surprising.
Anyway, I didn't like this book much, but it still made me think a lot. And there's a way in which a certain kind of person might say "well if it made you think then that's surely a sign of some positive quality" and... maybe? I don't know. I didn't hate all of it, and some parts were interesting, and I do have a whole separate list of things about the book that bug me including a breakdown of some of the book's (perceived by me) themes that I particularly disliked lol. Perhaps I'll post it another time. So I guess you can say it spurred me to thought, but loads of things that I don't like do that, and the only positive thing that that draws from me is that they're not downright dull.
The thing is, after finishing the book I was immediately struck by that "if you like Gaudy Night..." element, because it has a situation that felt weirdly similar (if for totally different reasons)- a young scholar stealing a letter from a library/archive. The circumstances are different- in Gaudy Night, the scholar does it to hide its existence so as not to contradict his thesis, and in Possession, the scholar does it so as to explore the document further, though still secretly- but there are still some interesting parallels vis a vis class. Possession goes into the class thing more than Gaudy Night does, but neither book goes much into it- the scholar is lower-class and someone who has scraped their way to their position, and is encumbered by a female partner of lower social and academic standing, and in the end they are juxtaposed against scholars who come from an elevated class and who have more money and opportunity. In Gaudy Night, Arthur Robinson is judged by the likes of Lord Peter Wimsey and a college full of women who don't have to do anything but think, teach, write, and grade papers; in Possession, Roland has to convince a bunch of academics of standing and resources to take a chance on him (and while this is more about money than class, he's the main one who's like "maybe it's good if Lady Bailey gets her wheelchair"). Byatt elides over this at the end by having him magically become in demand and on his way to achieving his academic goals, but I think in both books, the class element really could have taken on more significance in the text.
(I'd add as well that Byatt pits the upper-class and moneyed Maud, who of course is doing things for "the right reasons," vs the evil American businessman who clearly... doesn't care about Ash enough? Despite how much he clearly and obviously cares about Ash? The book was way more interesting when he seemed like a valid rival to the British team, who only thought that they deserved the letters more because of their obsession, rather than how it turned out at the end where the American dude is an actual cartoon villain. What made him genuinely less worthy besides having money without class, and of course having the bad taste to be American? What makes one scholar's possession more justified? Sayers was never this unsubtle.)
So that made me think more about Possession vs Gaudy Night, and the thing is, there are actual living people in Gaudy Night! Say what you will about the unworldliness of the academics at Shrewsbury, but you get a very keen view of their personalities by the end, even as they are (by necessity given the rules of their world) subsumed by academia, or subsume themselves in it. And the people who do fall in love are REALLY in love, and you understand why...
And somehow a book from 1935 feels far more interrogative of the possession (or lack thereof) found in love and romance, and just about the place of women in academia and relationships overall, than one from the late 80s. In Gaudy Night, Harriet accepts Peter once she has determined that despite their power differential (brought on by class, money, history, and to a degree gender) he will not threaten her personhood, because he has proven himself to her. In Possession, Maud accepts Roland because she has the power (money, class, position, even height) and so Roland actually cannot threaten her- and yet still that final scene is about her being taken by him, basically to prove some kind of a point. In contrast, in Busman's Honeymoon, the euphemistic sex scenes are about Peter trying to please Harriet.
When I say it's to prove a point, I'm paraphrasing Byatt, incidentally- who said: "And in the case of Maud I had made it very inhibiting. She was a woman inhibited both by beauty (which actually isn't very good for very beautiful women because they feel it isn't really them people love) and she was also inhibited by Feminism, because she had all sorts of theories that perhaps she would be a more noble kind of woman if she was a lesbian. And so she was a bit stuck. And Roland was timid because I am naturally good at timid men. It's the kind of men I happen to like. He's a timid thinking man, so of course it took him the whole book." I mean... yikes, but also that explains a lot. Maud can only bring herself to be with a man who is weak/effeminate (?) enough to justify whatever weird psyche Byatt has imagined up for her, but still she needs to get over her inhibitions and under him because... reasons. I don't know.
(Height is also interesting here as a point of contrast- Byatt makes Maud taller than Roland to make a point about how on the one hand she retains the power but on the other hand there is now even more of her that has to surrender. Peter and Harriet are the same medium height and wear the same size gown.)
I think the thing that most stuns me is how regressive Possession feels when it comes to gender politics on relationships than Gaudy Night does. I'd need a whole other post to talk about this, but the theme of Possession seems to me to be "relationships that produce things (whether art or children) are worth more than ones that don't." Roland is better with Maud than with Val because Val is a second rate scholar who drags him down (while supporting him financially) and Ash is better with LaMotte than with Ellen because LaMotte didn't only inspire his writing (Ellen's contributions are described only in the negative "didn't impede"), she gave him the child that Ellen refused to. Incidentally, in both cases it's the man pursuing a relationship that will give HIM something... But, to paraphrase Peter in Busman's Honeymoon, one wouldn't want to regard relationships in that agricultural light. Gaudy Night is about how two people can produce great things without each other but choose to be with each other for their own, and each other's, happiness. They aren't each less apart, and as I noted in a prior post, they don't need to solve cases together or conjoin their work in order for their relationship to be worth something. It is worth it for them to be together because it encourages some kind of inner balance within them and between them, as people. They enjoy collaborating but that is by no means the basis of their love (and, incidentally, I think that a lot of, if not most, detective series romances fail this basic test of "would they have fallen in love if they were accountants who met on a dating app." Peter and Harriet definitely would have- would, say, Albert Campion and Amanda Fitton have? I do NOT think so).
And here's the thing- another reason why Byatt's quote above is so off-putting is that it makes it clear that not only in the text but on a meta level, the purpose of the relationships is to prove a Point. I found Roland and Maud to have zero chemistry, and honestly I was expecting them to get together 3/4 of the way through and split up at the end when it turned out they had nothing in common- it seemed like that kind of book. I was kind of stunned when they only got together at the end in an "it's meant to be" way because nothing about it seemed meant to be. They were stuck together by that one thing and they each apparently needed the relationship for some kind of self-actualization or historical rhyming or other. (Whatever I say about Ash and LaMotte... at least they seemed to like each other!)
Peter and Harriet... they get together because they love each other. Do they change over the course of Gaudy Night, and over the course of the other books they share together? Of course they do. But if it makes sense, I'll put it this way- Harriet doesn't accept Peter's proposal as proof that she got over her hangups, Harriet gets over her hangups so that she can accept Peter's proposal. Her hangups only matter because they were keeping her from this particular kind of happiness- she was a fully actualized person even with them. She is a person who does things for human reasons so that she can build a mutually happy life with the person she loves, not a little plot mannequin being moved around in order to tell the author's desired Message. People can say what they want about Gaudy Night and its flaws, but despite the intricacies of its construction, nobody can call the characters' actions and motivations anything but brutally human.
Whether within their universes or on a meta level, the books have SUCH different things to say about the value and nature of love, the place of and purpose of sex, the place of art and intellectual accomplishment in relationships, all of the above in the context of femininity⊠and I can't help but feel that each time, Gaudy Night wins the contest. It's possible I'm missing something major about Possession, and maybe sometime I'll post the rest of my notes about the things I disliked and people can tell me what I'm wrong about- but if nothing else it made me appreciate Gaudy Night even more, so for that I'm grateful.
#possession#as byatt#gaudy night#dorothy l sayers#lord peter wimsey#harriet vane#i'm not tagging all the characters from possession bc i don't actually really remember their full names and i'm too lazy to look them up#I also saw recs for possession for âif you like jonathan strange and mr norrellâ and âif you like jfsp s9â#for jonathan strange and mr norrell i actually have several Thoughts#and am happy to share if asked#but i'm perplexed by the jfsp comparison#though a reading of ellen ash as asexual vs uncle newt would be...interesting#i guess it's based on romances contrasted through time?#also- i've seen people claim that possession is satire#to which i say#BS!!!!#the way that book is written either literally every word of it is satire and none of it is meant to be taken seriously#or it's serious as gospel#the only bits where some parts felt like they might be meant to be âsatiricalâ in relation to other parts#came across more as caricature than anything else#cough cough lesbian feminist american professor... i mean jeez#which reminds me#any future writing i do about why i disliked possession#will have to include my take on that thing some women writers do where they're really WEIRD about how they write women#(sexually but in a way that they THINK is clinical to the point of objectivity)#while barely even describing what the men look like#and not having the women be physically attracted to them#another contrast point with sayers actually#who is perfectly prepared to have harriet be physically attracted to peter
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Vector please disconnect from the aux cord. Vector you are KILLING HIM.
Itâs been a while since Iâve drawn sonic but Iâm coming back swinging because I figured out a way to draw Vector in my style. Nothing can scare me anymore. I have seen hell. By the way, he has no headphones on because driving with headphones is Illegal. The Chaotix canât afford a traffic ticket.
#vector and espio race for the aux cord like Sam and max race for the phone#go listen to the album though Iâm so serious. put it on in the background while you draw or read or something. link is in the post.#itâs so fucking good dude. itâs like if you found a gospel music tape buried in your yard and decided to see if it still worked.#sth#team chaotix#vector the crocodile#espio the chameleon#ivyâs scribblings#chaotix content
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What people think Model UN is like: serious socially conscious students working diligently to achieve world peace.
What Model UN is actually like: âBreaking news! The Gospel Of Bread has taken over much of Europe and has assassinated several world leaders!â
#model un#the gospel of bread was a bread-worshiping cult someone else in my OSUMUN committee created in our simulation#maybe general assembly vs crisis committee is more accurate#in my experience general assemblies are more serious than crisis committees#model united nations#mun
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Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking non-sense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of the faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although "they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion."
St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, emphasis mine
#listen. i know some theistic evolution proponents like to point to this text and try to claim Augustine as one of ours#and i know that's disingenuous#he was writing in the fifth century for crying out loud#what i AM saying (and what many who mire discerningly point to this text are saying i think)#is that it's important to consider the how Christian knowledgeablity and intellectual honesty is viewed by the secular world#for every YE creationist proclaiming that the fossil record is unreliable#there's someone with knowledge on the subject scratching because they know that's simply not true#and subsequently writing Christianity off as a religion of dogmatism and ignorance#now listen. this isn't to say that Christians shouldn't hold controversial positions regardless of what the world says of them#but if you're going to hold those positions around secular folks who may be open to the gospel#you had darn well better think about how you're representing Christ and His Church#that's how I read this passage#and I see it as a serious warning to anyone (me) who wants to talk about Scripture and the mechanics of the natural world in the same breath#all truth is God's truth#pontifications and creations#these tags are riddled with typos but fixing them would be a real pain sorry
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I wish I could believe in like anything supernatural or like witchcraft or the greek gods because it's so interesting and fascinating and cool but my brain is very like scientific(?) in that without real evidence i can't believe anything like that, evidence as in i personally see or experience it not like hard evidence that like scientifically proves it exists, i just need to see it for myself.
I was also raised catholic and idk if i ever believed in god, like it's hard to remember how i felt about god when i was in elementary school because of how long it's been but from what i can remember i think i kinda just went along with it and didn't really think to hard about if god exists but i also remember that i never really believed that praying would do anything and i never really took being religious or god too seriously so i think that although i never really thought about it back then i didn't really ever truly believe in god
#religion#catholic#catholiscism#spiritual beliefs#also although i was raised catholic my family was never too serious about it#like we rarely ever went to mass#and my parents never really talked about god or religion except for if it was a holiday#i did go to a catholic school for kindergarten through most of fourth grade tho#so while at home we never really did religious stuff (idk if we even had a full size bible)#at school i was taught about like god and jesus#it was a good school tho#like academically#and religion wasn't really brought up during like academic classes (i.e. social studies. math. english. etc)#it was brought up during gospel class tho
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To reject the historicity of the Gospels âa prioriâ because they contain miracles violates logical and historical standards of reasoning. Since the Gospels are well established historically, the miracel stories they convey deserve serious historical consideration.
Samples, Kenneth Richard. âWithout a Doubt: Answering the 20 Toughest Faith Questions.; p. 102
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sometimes i come across those corny ass âfeminine coachâ podcasters on my fyp and i think thereâs no way anyone actually takes them seriously
and then i come downstairs and see my mom watching the same exact video and nodding along to everything they say đđđ
#and she believes every word they say đ#âa womanâs greatest power is her silenceâ MOTHER PLS#they say the most basic shit and she listens to their words like itâs gospel#âi am silent not silencedâ be so serious đ#i need misogynistic podcasts disguised as femininity podcasts to be banished immediately#camilleâs thoughts đ#being back home for the holidays is such an experience#missing my dorm rn </3
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the road is longer than it is hard with no one to guide you and no one to hold no best foot forward to sway the odds and just a voice inside you and a stone to throw could you be someone else if someone else is what i need but i shouldnât ask that of you when youâre old youâll understand but weâre hurting now so what are we to do til then cradling pictures of you⊠it was a highway to nowhere and we rode it cold car with no gas and we chose it soft bodies playing in the street⊠our kids will grow up with half as much trying to build something out of dust finding out too late what they needâŠ.. youâve tasted love and it tasted sweet you drank the blood and bit the meat you hold it you hold it you let it go⊠you close your eyes and count to three you say the word and come to me and baby i knowâŠâŠ.. drive the pathway through the pines and the moors of mystery welcome conflict and let crisis come and shake the ground beneath and the family secret hiding in the farmhouse down the street rushes open door on your front porch and shadows me⊠taken and entirely i embrace the bonny beast over hills and highlands we rode hard the passing peaks danger like the virgin wife beside me she would sleep cherry was her dadâs truck that she crashed at seventeen⊠i kneel before what temper broke the branches on the beach and those thrilling highs and southern nights are always out of reach⊠i learned a lesson i need to pray hard final hours take care of me god take care of me godâŠâŠ youâve tasted love and it tasted sweet you drank the blood and bit the meat you hold it you hold it you let it goâŠ.. you close your eyes and count to three you say the word and come to me and baby i knowâŠâŠ. (the road is longer than it is hard) love overwhelms me (with no one to guide you) itâs all that i want and itâs all that we have (no best foot forward to sway the odds) but is it enough (just a voice inside you) to make it worth it in the endâŠâŠ. donât sink in me with your dog teeth donât sink in me with your dog teeth donât sink in me with your dog teeth donât sink in me donât sink in me with your dog teethâŠâŠ.. youâve tasted love and it tasted sweet you drank the blood and bit the meat you hold it you hold it but youâll never know⊠you close your eyes and cry to me donât sink in me with your dog teeth weâre better off if you let goâŠâŠ.. if it was harder then it will be better now for i am here and changed i couldnât tell you how and there before the grace of god go i⊠laughing to myself⊠forgetting what about.
#this is gospel to me Btw#iâm so serious like. typing this out as i listened changed me. i didnât realize what she was Saying before#but having it right in front of me like that.#holy fuck#godâs country ethel cain
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byt i think that theyve wised up to my tactics like, i ran away from them on these dope ass electric scooters (sadly discontinued now) or just literally running away. for years. cause unlike the baptists they will not take "i'm not interested" for an answer ant least not quickly
but now they're cahsing me on hoverboards. htye just upped the game
kinda genius of them ngl. maybe i should reach out to president nelson and get him to provide hoverboards for all missionaries
#I JEST I JESTâŠ#anon in all seriousness if they rlly wont take no for an answer and its wearing on you feel free to like. ask me for advice#missionaries can be really persistent bcs the gospel is like! so special! to us! and we want everybody to have the happiness and salvation!#+ missions are kind of the mormon coming of age type story#but if theyre disrespecting boundaries thats not okay#you can probably reach out to the local mission center in ur area to contact them abt whats going on and theyâll probably do smth about it#if its not that serious and im reading into it too much tho then ignore all of that HAHA#amia.txt#hoverboard missionary anon saga
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love it when doctors prescribe you a medication that has potentially fatal side effects and/or some sort of black box warning and just. don't warn you about it at all
#i'm sure most ppl who follow me know this already but ALWAYS check the prescription pamphletâ talk to your pharmacistâ and research the med#before you actually start taking it. bc doctors will frequently just not warn you of serious side effects or interactions w your other meds#(bc they probably didn't read your list of medications for interactions! like they didn't even glance at it at all)#you can ask what side effects it has but there's no guarantee that they will be honest or not downplay them#or get pissy at you for not blindly taking their word as gospel#your pharmacist is far more likely to be honestâ see drug interactionsâ and just give a shit in general#darryl speaks
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i broke the first rule of intrusive thoughts, being that you dont question why its happening. uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
#fool's monologue#guys im a bad person im gonna be forward about this. i have 30 disorders packed in one body but also im not a good person ok. im coming t#terms w this#i got a petty vindictive unforgiving personality#also when i say all the bad person shtick i am more saying this to sedate myself cuz its far better than wrangling that im good.#at the very least being bad comes with the . well. time and patience to try and learn how to be good#btw to sate this other specific concern no this has nothing to do with campaignin. i just feel unbridled hate for a person. no if ur readin#its not you#i just feel unbridled hate hate hate and they didnt do anything to wrong me. just slighted me one time and it wasnt even that serious but#my brain took that as gospel#claps my hands together. in my goal to become less forgiving and save myself from being a pushover and being emotionally blasted from so#many failed friendships i have no become: Asshole#whatever tho its my problem more than anybody elses. my fight to fight and allat#ig i just hate that aspect of me. im never a balance#im always the extremes of anything#learning to feel wronged and not get stepped over is good for me in the long run but not when nobody did anything wrong
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I just remembered that as a child I low key shipped jesus and lazarus sister yk the one who washes his feet...And also a bit with lazarus ...is this blasphemy ? Is is bad bc not everything must be romantic?
#i should've told the priest he would've set me on fire lmao#ofc i didn't know what shipping meant but i remember being bothered that we didn't know more about them#also i was bothered that jesus was so wooden bc sometimes he laughed and then he was like but let's get serious again here#bruh ur a revolutionary loosen up bsnshk hey in my defence#i have both poor attention span the mass is BORING but gospel and bible has some potentially interesting shit in it#also i was very imaginative
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Do you think harry is more similar to lily or James
thank you very much for the ask, anon!
i think the assessment of harry's character which dumbledore gives to snape in deathly hallows is more or less the correct one:
âHe is his father over again -â âIn looks, perhaps, but his deepest nature is much more like his motherâs.â
which i think can be expanded upon really interestingly as an example of something which the series does really, really well - how it obscures the fact that lily is the key to the mystery right up until the last minute.
the things harry has in common with james - not only his looks, but his quidditch talent, his impulsivity, his disregard for the rules, his arrogance, his cunning, his beef with snape, his adoration of sirius, his belief that his uncle is faintly ridiculous, and his bold, flashy courage - are big and explicit and demonstrative, and the text lampshades that they're inherited from his father at every opportunity.
[and not only in how many characters mention that he looks like james. voldemort - for example - mentions james' demonstrative bravery - facing him "like a man" - every time he and harry interact; sirius and lupin never mention lily when discussing harry's personality, even when what they're talking about is how he's not like james.]
the text also goes out of its way to suggest that similarly big aspects of lily's character have not been inherited by her son - the most obvious example of which is that, in half-blood prince, the incandescent talent at potions which has slughorn raving about how like his mother harry is... is actually the result of harry cheating [and cheating from a textbook he's convinced for much of the book might have belonged to james].
the only thing the text emphasises again and again that harry has inherited from his mother are his eyes.
and - in doing this - the series is actually telling us something very clear about what it understands harry to have in common with lily.
eyes are a frequent motif throughout the text, which are almost always connected to the themes of authenticity and truth.
dumbledore's eyes give away his true feelings in goblet of fire - when the "gleam of something like triumph" comes into them after he learns that voldemort used harry's blood to resurrect himself - before serving as a metaphor for the way the information about the prophecy is being withheld from harry in order of the phoenix when he refuses to make eye contact with him.
[dumbledore's eyes also stop "twinkling" after voldemort returns, in a sign of how serious the situation - which the ministry never appreciates the full gravity of - is becoming.]
occlumency and legilimency - the obscuring and seeking of truth - depend on eye contact. the teenage tom riddle's eyes - with their gleam of red - give away his true depravity, even when he's still outwardly charming and beautiful. the teen snape sees the reason for his obsession with the marauders "wrenched from him against his will" at the force of lily's glare [and the adult snape frequently averts his own gaze from harry when he clearly doesn't want to risk seeing anger or pain in lily's eyes]. ginny's love for harry - her "never giving up" on him, her willingness to wait and endure while he goes off on the horcrux hunt - is communicated by a "blazing look". the basilisk kills by looking - but doesn't kill anyone in chamber of secrets, since the truth about the culprit isn't known. and so on...
which is to say - the series regards the eyes as the windows to the soul [an idea which is connected to a verse in chapter six of the gospel of matthew - the verse immediately preceding which, "for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also", is inscribed upon kendra and ariana dumbledore's graves] and to the true, inner nature of a person.
in mentioning again and again that harry looks like james except for his eyes, what the narrative is doing is hinting to the reader that harry's big, obvious, showy similarities with his father mustn't let them miss that the more subtle traits of his personality - his steadfastness, his quiet courage in the face of hopelessness, his ability to love so much it changes the entire course of history - come from his mother, and that what he inherits from lily will be much more important to the resolution of the story than the things he inherits from james.
this is a clue it plays with really nicely - particularly because harry doesn't really care at any point prior to the last third of deathly hallows about what he inherits from lily more than he cares about what he inherits from james.
we - as readers - go through his experience of learning that his mother is the key to the whole mystery in real time - when we join harry in snape's memories - and we walk into the forest with a harry who now knows the whole truth: that he's more like his mother than he's previously realised, and that he'll therefore be able to do the same thing that she did, and die so that others might live.
âYou wonât be killing anyone else tonight,â said Harry as they circled, and stared into each otherâs eyes, green into red. âYou wonât be able to kill any of them ever again.â
#asks answered#asenora meta#harry potter#james potter#lily potter#this will have the âjkr can't writeâ girlies shaking i fear#she's bad at worldbuilding but she's very very good at symbolism...
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etho takes every bdubs says as gospel. why is he afraid of upsetting him so much. every interaction i've seen so far has been etho trying his best to not upset him and if he does he like vigorously apologizes and tries to explain why he did that. and him trying his best to please bdubs to the best of his abilities. he's building a goddamn stupid copper tower for him, he's desperately trying to follow bdubs' made up rules and then saying in his little sad pathetic voice "oh i thought you were serious..." when bdubs says it's a JOKE just pick a goddamn spot when he tries to figure out the golden ratio placement. etho why are you like this. do you miss him. do you miss bdubs. he sounded so sad when bdubs said that they're going to betray each other anyway and that they shouldn't have an alliance. he was ''pretend'' sad when bdubs said they shouldn't live together. what the hell
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im word vomiting my headcanon list and id love to hear what you think!
*hobie gifting things that he finds to his partner like a crow. i can imagine they'd just randomly turn up, either on a desk or like they'll just find it in their bag or pocket, or that he'd just walk of and just hand it to them with no word *hobie fell for his partner hard, though he kept it pretty well hidden from everyone except pav starts calling his 'loverboy', eventually the nickname catches on to the point his future partner starts using it as well(either b/c they like it and thay're oblivious or they know exactly whats going on and are teasing him about it) *loves playful banter *nicknames for daaaaaays with his partner *hobie getting serious with a partner would be him gifting them something important, first thoughts are either a guitar pick of his or one of his favorite rings (its the most worn one he has, a simple metal one that you can literally feel the love thats gone into it. somehow it fits his partners finger perfectly)
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i may be back with more, until then i salute you!
i agree with ur hcâs so much!! this is how i hc & tend to write hobie so, 100%! pls donât hesitate if u think of anymore hehe
iâd love to expand! ~
- giving you gifts, to him, is like the ideal expression of love.
- because basically all of them are stolen, itâs a combination of his favourite things; stealing from big corporations, and seeing the beaming, heart-warming smile on your face when you open your bag and see a tiny trinket wrapped in newspaper.
- everytime you would come home, youâd find a new little addition to the house somewhere â notably: necklaces, rings, tiny ceramic statues or wooden decorations, pens, music (cdâs, vinyls, etc.) â especially if heâs been to camden market that day, his pockets would be full for you.
- when he started to fall for you, he low-key thought he was coming down with the flu.
- whenever you were around, his heart would flutter, his head dizzy and palms sweating â he considered getting medicine, until pavitr pointed something out.
- âhow are you, loverboy?â
- âeh? you talking to me, pav?â
- âof course, hobie! little loverboyâ
- âdid you hit your head, bro?â
- pavitr would explain that heâd noticed hobieâs eyes glued to you whenever you spoke, hanging onto every word like gospel, and the way he flustered when you touched him, how heâd do anything in his power to be in your personal space.
- âshit.â
- âno! this is a good thing, my friend! love is the most beaââ
- âshit.â
- days went past of hobie avoiding you, heâd never been in love before, and it was scary to him
- his brain was only thinking of you, and he hated that he liked it. he hated that he wished for every thought to be of you.
- and he hated that he could see your body deflate when he avoided you, hated that your eyes looked sad when he turned away
- he hated that he liked loving you
- until, you caught him on his own one day, he was minding his business, relaxing on his lonesome whilst the others hung out in different dimensions.
- âhey, loverboyâ
- a deer in headlights wouldnât even come close to the shock on his face
- âloverboy?â
- loverboy? you were calling him loverboy?
- âyeah, loverboy, thatâs you, isnât it?â
- in all fairness, you were completely oblivious to the reason behind it â pav had simply just started calling him it when hobie wasnât around, and it stuck
- âi-i guess soâ
- clearing his throat, he willed his confidence back to the surface
- âyou can call me anything you want, sweetheartâ
- it wasnât long before you were together, a gentle, but spontaneous kiss after a particularly dangerous mission one day sealing the deal between you both
- he was obsessed with you
- now he could be obvious about his feelings, he took that and ran with it
- his arm was essentially glued to your side, or over your shoulders, or anywhere where he could pull you in close to him
- heâd grab you by the belt buckles, dragging you towards him and welcoming you with a soft peck on the lips
- even in public, almost especially in public
- always have his hands in your back pockets, he says he hates the clichĂ©-ness of it but he likes that he can hold you close whilst respecting your personal space â and he can feel your ass, but he doesnât admit that outloud
- THE NICKNAMES.
- THE. NICKNAMES.
- this man is born and bred british, and over here we use nicknames more than actual names
- darling, sweetheart, love, lovely, all of those AND more are natural to him, anyway
- but he adds a special little âmyâ before them all now, now that you actually are his, and so âmy darlingâ, âmy loveâ, etc. are like a second name to you
- in bed, the nicknames would be even better, but iâll leave that to your imaginationâŠ
- when things started getting a little serious, youâd been dating for months, all your friends and colleagues knew about him, your family as well (if you decide to tell them)
- youâre relaxing in hobieâs dimension, laying on his bed with your head on his shoulder, reading a book whilst he strums at his guitar softly. heâs humming a song you donât recognise, but the sound of his deep melody was enough to lull you.
- âhey, love?â
- you hum in response
- âi wanna give you something.â
- sitting you up, heâd lay his guitar down and face you, grabbing your hand and bringing it to him
- âwhat are youââ
- heâd fiddle with his own hands for a second, before twisting his favourite ring off his index finger
- âhere.â
- âhobie, are youââ
- âiâm not proposing, donât worry. weddings are just a social nuisance that give us one more way to control each other. no. this is better.â
- you tilt your head and watch him, as he slides his ring onto your middle finger
- âitâs just a promise.â
- âa promise?â
- âa promise that i love you, and that iâm yours, innit.â
- âoh, hobie.â
- you cry a tiny bit
- and he hugs you tightly, kissing your forehead
- thatâs when he knew it was serious with you, not only because of how he was so obsessed with you, and his heart melted at your touch, but because when he saw you with the ring on, his ring, his person, it just felt right. he didnât ever wanna see you without it, or without him.
- âhey, hobie, did you mean what you said about marriage? you donât wanna marry me one day?â
- âhey, i said i hate weddings. nothing about marriage. not if we do it our own way, you know?â
i love him so much. also pls stick around, couple of one shots & fics will be out this week!!! sorry theyâre taking ages hehe
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Based on the time Clown answered someoneâs question of what Wallyâs favourite sound was and said it was us. 𩩠plz standby as I cry at how cute that is-
Also gif credit: @cinderbutt
Wally love, love, loves the sound of your voice.
Even if he so happened to not be in the same room as you at the time, as long as he could hear your voice, everything was a-okay.
Itâs a sound of soothing reassurance for the little guy, something that reminds him of your permanence in his life and he couldnât be more grateful.
I genuinely donât think he cares about how your voice sounds because at the end of the day, itâs your voice! Itâs unique, amazing, and so special to Wally because it helps him identify you.
If Wally was allowed a moment to be honest, heâd admits to believing that he wouldnât be able to find a better sound to favour above all else then your voice.
If there was an instance where you were brought up to be ashamed of your voice, going so far as to not speak as much of you could help it, but when Wally catches wind of this heâd be like;
âInsecure of your voice? But why? Itâs my favourite sound to hear in the morning as itâs rough with the lack of use, or even as your reading a book aloud to yourself and how it would instinctively become higher or lower octave depending on how your were reacting towards what was happening in the story; whether it be happy or sad.â
âEven when you felt impassioned about something you truly cared about or just recently found interest in, your voice becomes more powerful and full of life that it becomes infectious and awe inspiring. Itâs a truly unique voice to you and despite how you think about it, I would rather hear you speak about your hobbies, about your day, about anything and everything because your voice truly is one of a kind and I wouldnât wish it to sound any differently because to me, itâs perfect as it is.â
Wallyâs dead serious when he says all this, so donât be mistaken because this three foot puppet truly does adore your voice to an almost unhealthy amount.
Heâs hooked onto your every word as though itâs gospel even if your talking about a time where you were getting the mail.
Wally. Is. Hooked. He wants to hear the story to itâs end.
The little guy pouts when youâre interrupted but encourages you to start from the beginning should you forget where you left off. Just gives him an excuse to listen to your voice for even longer.
Iâd like to think heâs a little gossiping shit and would be down to hearing the most recent gossip with you, should you have the full context on the situation. Wallyâs already sat on your lap ready and waiting.
You: The FitnessGram Pacer test is a multistage aerobic capacity test that progressively gets more difficult as it-
Wally: đ„°đ
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