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If you have the social influence to be able to redefine yourself as "oppressed" and enforce that definition, you're not "oppressed."
If you have everyone from government, legacy media, entertainment, industry and academia pushing your mantras, talking points, narratives and "representation," you're not "oppressed," you're the ruling overclass.
You can't be both the "oppressed" and the one doing the oppressing at the same time.
#oppressor#oppressed#oppressed vs oppressor#vulnerable narcisssism#overclass#cancel culture#religion is a mental illness
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Rafeef Ziadah - 'We teach life, sir', London, 12.11.11
#poetry#rafeef ziadah#we teach life#we teach life sir#oppressed vs oppressor#palestine#when you want to strangle#but write poetry instead#outrage is not hate#only an oppressor would conflate the two
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Maybe it’s my experiences with my culture and having relatives who are immigrants, but the conflict between humanity and the eliksni reads more to me than just a message on xenophobia.
To me, it’s also about how groups who have experienced oppression are often pitted against each other by the circumstances created by their oppressors to keep them stuck in a cycle of violence and mistrust with one other. This cycle keeps groups who share similar pain and plights from extending mercy to each other and joining forces to fight against the systemic forces that brought them both into a hostile state, which is exactly what those forces want as it keeps those groups powerless and unstable.
#destiny 2#destiny#destiny the game#d2#destiny eliksni#eliksni#destiny revenant#dude the beef between groups of people who need to stand up together over grievances that can be overcome needs to be talked about#i have experience with family who refuse to cooperate with people who look and struggle like ours bc of holding grudges#and who does the benefit? the people we are trying to liberate ourselves from#everytime the eliksni and humanity fight the witness rubs it’s hands together#we must stand together or we all will fall#both sides have valid pain that should be respect but more pain is to come if we don’t learn to be better to each other#just some poc thoughts#also stop treating species like monoliths to judge how they should’ve been treated thats witness behavior#eliksni vs humans is not exactly blanket oppressor vs blanket oppressed or Vice versa#it reads more like two desperate groups in two desperate circumstances who continue violence due to prejudice and misunderstandings#we are both two species who are victims of our circumstances and circumstances with ptsd Can make people irrational and desperate
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that's not the point being made here and You People fucking know that
#'it's not about who's a good person it's about who your favorite war criminal is'#yes i love watering down dynamics of oppressors vs the oppressed#'both sides are bad' but 'piltover has a right to defend themselves'#(<- an actual take. it's easy to guess what their pfp was)#because yes the side that doesn't have a proper military and had to make weapons from scratch out of materials left by their oppressors#is definitely the same as the side that have an entire armed task force who have gassed innocent victims and are a-okay shooting kids#thinking about that one person who said they got wokebaited by arcane 😭#yeah maybe it's our fault for expecting better from a show made by white centrists for white centrists#arcane#anti caitlyn kiramman
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Okay guys, I actually managed to have a civil discussion with someone on Arcane twt who disagreed with me! Everybody cheer😭😂🤭
But fr tho, I admit that I did quote twt that person in bad faith. A friend of mine made a joke about how Caitlyn wouldn’t have missed(iykyk) and this person’s response rubbed me the wrong way. Think something to the effect of “violence is never okay. Shame on you for joking about this.” So, I saw his response to my friend’s tweet and decided to ask him who he thought the “true villain” of Arcane was. I had a feeling what his answer would be.
He said Silco was the main antagonist (fair enough) but then, ofc, he started talking about how, ultimately, “both sides” were at fault for all that’s happening in the show. Now I know that one’s opinions on the media they consume aren’t necessarily a 1 to 1 with their real life politics, but for the sake of the argument, I’ll ask: what’s this obsession that we, as a collective, have with making things more complicated than they should be?
A lot of times, situations really are messy and complicated. But in this instance, I don’t think that’s the case. I don’t think the situation between Piltover and Zaun is complicated at all. I see an oppressor (Piltover) being responsible for the centuries long disenfranchisement of the oppressed (Zaun). Then here comes Jinx, who has been victimized by Piltover for her entire life, becoming radicalized against them, and being violent towards them.
The idea that “violence is bad; full stop” is very dangerous. Violence against an entire group being conflated with violence on an individual level is not good. For example, let’s talk about stealing for a second. Is a poor, starving person stealing from a store that upcharges on necessities “wrong”? In my opinion, no. Is a corporation stealing wages(which is actually the most common form of theft) “wrong”? Absolutely! Now, if you wanna be technical, both examples are “in the wrong”. However, let’s be real here: one of these things is a hell of a whole lot more “wrong” than the other.
But to bring it back to Arcane, why is this idea that “the situation is so complicated, there are no good sides” so popular? There absolutely are! Violence against an oppressor is not a bad thing! I, a marginalized individual, am not anywhere close to being “just as bad” as the mfers responsible for my oppression!!! Why do so many of us feel that way? That doesn’t even make any sense! Stop feeling bad for people who don’t give nary a fuck, nor a shit, nor a good goddamn about you AT BEST! And at worst? They will GLEEFULLY partake in destroying your community!!!
I know the show is ultimately centrist asf(and therein lies the problem) but still!
Anyways, I say all that to say, it’s fine to disagree with people, cause I was able to have a nice discussion with this person, despite vehemently disagreeing with them. But like, I really wanna know WHY these people think the way they do. How could the situation between Piltover and Zaun be thought of as anything but chickens coming home to roost? If you’ve been paying even the slightest little bit of attention to the world we’re living in, and everything that’s going on rn, how could you not apply those same principles to the show?
#arcane#arcane discussion#my two cents#my thoughts#we all know that an oppressed vs oppressor struggle can’t be complicated right#it doesn’t get any simpler than that I fear#let’s be real#stop having sympathy for the powers that be
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Thought: If I were to make a Warhammer 40K movie, I'd make it a Rashomon-type semi-anthology where we see the conflict from the perspective of each faction involved in it.
Basically, leading to a core theme of the film: Everyone thinks they're the good guys in a war. Even as we see everyone in a much more fucked-up light in the other stories.
Which leads to a core theme of the setting: There are no good guys in war.
#warhammer 40k#note that theme isn't always true irl wrt oppressed vs oppressor#but that's not really common in 40k for obvious reasons#warhammer#storytelling#worldbuilding#i wonder if there's any fanfic with this premise
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i usually dont comment on the discourse posts i see on this website but jesus christ. No one coddles men against the evilll trans women and lesbians like a tumblr user
#elisey speaks#if a mans feelings are hurt by a trans woman he'll be fine lol. meanwhile trans women are in danger of being hate crimed assaulted or kille#some people really dont have a measure of hurt my feelings vs oppression and it shows#my rent lowering gunshots: misandry doesnt exist#you guys just use trans women as a gotcha for internet discourse and its very blatant and hurtful#idc. seeing my trans sisters being treated like this makes me endlessly angry#the moment they actually try to talk about their oppression and show any distaste for their oppressors you dgaf what they have to say#its fake allyship. and im sick of it
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im going to preface what im about to say by saying that i KNOW this sounds like im being down on my writing abilities but honestly i am not, i really love the things i write i dont feel insecure about my writing like that
but also, the way that mk literally gave me nothing to work with in terms of lore to build off of for the zaterran conspiracy kinda left me feeling like i didnt know what i was doing while trying to weave my own lore into it. like i felt like everything i was establishing was incredibly implausible and didnt make sense. BUT THEN ?? as im rewatching atla, im coming across so many details that remind me of the details and storybeats that im using. and with how incredible of a story atla wrote, how universally loved it is, and how much i personally love it as well, let me just say that it makes me feel SO good about my own writing when i feel like i can draw parallels and make connections between them
#misc#like OBV my writing is not going to be anywhere near as good as ATLA of all things lol#but still the details of the oppressors vs the oppressed#things like “benders in occupied land are not allowed to use their bending” compared to like#“zaterrans arent allowed to shapeshift bc if theyre found out theyre killed” or like compared to#im technically a member of the group that oppresses#but i also care greatly about spirituality and i refuse to be like them so i will actively help the shapeshifters#the firesages helping aang and his friends#idk man it just feels nice#idk if this makes sense LOL
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Ser o no ser, güey, esa es la pinche pregunta
#🤣#hamlet#cristina is silly#there have been crazier interpretations i know#on the other hand they never do a latino or modern italian r&j#not for anything in the world#so obvious too#where is my black latinx r&j????#oh that’s right they’ll make it a oppressor vs oppresses thing for the upteenth time#ew#also latinx 🤮
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Ti/mebomb is just arcanes version of re/ylo dont @ me
#arcane critical#fandom critical#remember when caitlyn murdered an entire peace advocacy group and shot a child point blank in front of vi#no? oh shit no that was jinx and ekko mb#people wanna talk about oppressed vs oppressor. brother look no further lmaoo#both ships physically repulse me and they get heralded by straights like its not batshit#AU ti/mebomb is fine#but uh. otherwise that shit reeks real bad
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#Jonatan Pallesen#woke#partisan gap#gender gap#western feminism#feminism#microaggressions#oppression#victimhood culture#victimhood#wokeness#cult of woke#wokeism#wokeness as religion#censorship#oppressor vs oppressed#oppressor#oppressed#religion is a mental illness
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1968 vs 2024
#1968 vs 2024#1968#2024#protest#student#students#environmental activism#activism#activist#class war#earth#oppression#repression#eat the rich#eat the fucking rich#oppressor#free all oppressed peoples#pedagogy of the oppressed#oppressive#fascism#statism#racism#anti imperialism#russian imperialism#us imperialism#american imperialism#usa news#usa politics#usa#america
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The sado-ritual of excision and infibulation bestows acceptability upon gynocidal behavior— even to the extent of making it normative. This is illustrated in the precept of the president of Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta, that "no proper Gikuyu would dream of marrying a girl who has not been circumcised," since this operation "is regarded as the conditio sine qua non for the whole teaching of tribal law, religion, and morality." With these words, one chief in the Higher Order of phallocratic morality dictates its chief lesson: that women should suffer. Typically, the justification for the atrocious ritual under the reign of phallic morality involves a reversal in which the unnatural becomes normative. Only a mutilated woman is considered 100 percent feminine.* By removal of her specifically female-identified organ, which is not necessary for the male's pleasure or for reproductive servitude, she "becomes a woman." At first the reversal might seem astonishing, if one hears the term woman as representing a state of natural integrity. But if we understand this term to refer to an embodiment of the feminine, which is a construct of phallocracy, then the meaning of the expression becomes clear.**
* It is interesting to compare these attempts to feminize women with the feminization of male-to-constructed-female transsexuals. The latter, who consider themselves to be "women" (referring to "other" women as "native women") undergo operations which remove the testicles and penis and give them artificial vaginas, but no clitoris. Both of these mutilating attempts at feminization receive a large amount of legitimation by phallocracy. See Janice Raymond, The Transsexual Empire: The Making of the She-Male (Boston: Beacon Press, 1979).
** It may be helpful in this connection to recall Simone de Beauvoir's famous axiom: "One is not born, but rather becomes a woman." (The Second Sex, trans. and ed. by H. M. Parshley [New York: Vintage, 1974], p. 301). In this book of course, I use the term women to refer to females generally and reserve the term feminine to connote the male-created construct/stereotype. However, woman is often used by others to refer to the androcratically constructed (destroyed) female, who is, of course, considered "natural." There is, for example, the "total woman" of Marabel Morgan, and the "true woman" of Pope Pius XII and Pope Paul VI.
-Mary Daly, Gyn/Ecology
#mary daly#female genital mutilation#female oppression#phallocracy#femininity#male oppressors#male sadism#womanhood vs femininity#constructed womanhood
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i love people tuning into war for the first time with gaza and now assuming that all conflicts are as directly good vs evil as palestine vs israel
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i thought about not writing anything bc I'm late to the discourse game this time round and bc I've been so unplugged for so long that I don't get anons asking me things anymore but then I was talking to @twopoppies and like actually - I have shit to say
the first thing i have to say is that the British economy is overwhelmingly failing the working class. Teachers, train workers, and the fire service have all voted to go on strike in the last month. and the reason that this is happening is twofold: the first is that the MPs are self-absorbed dicks. The second is that the UK pulled out of one of the largest single-market economies in the international community, which hit every sector of the economy bc new taxes tariffs trade agreements erc. So like - don't talk to a Brit about what their utilities are doing. The third reason that these towns are dying though is because of the practice of outsourcing labour to cheaper countries/cities/communities. This is why people began to blame immigrants for the decline of the working class. Which like - if a Brit wants to come and teach my kids and write my PhD, they can pry it from my cold dead hands.
That's a really roundabout way of explaining that if you don't live in a larger city, you're gonna have loads of poverty in the area. And that - for the most part - your distance from London is directly proportional to the poverty rate. I work in *small British coastal town* in a *large comprehensive school* (that's like a US public school), and my kids are about 13-16 years old. The 16-year-olds are doing their GCSEs (like GEDs) in the spring, and loads of them don't believe that they can do it. Out of the Y11s that I know, I know maybe one or two that have concrete plans to go to university. Most don't believe that they can succeed, and are unwilling to go anywhere far from home. A comparable region of the world would be Appalachia in the US. The school I teach at is right across the street from council estates, and some of the kids have never left the town - even though there's a 2 hr train that takes you into London. Loads of their lives are really tough. I obviously can't give specifics, but I've definitely had days I can't shake off at the end of them.
This is all to say that out of the hundreds of kids I know, I don't know a single one that's gonna win a Grammy in 15 years time. Or a Pulitzer, or an Oscar or a Tony or an Olivier or a BAFTA. and this is absolutely not because they're not capable of doing it - they 100% have the capacity to succeed and the talent to be amazing. We just don't have the resources to nurture that talent in a way that would make them competitive to the people in the first ring of the ladder to success. I have a kid who wants to be a detective, and another teacher (!) told me 'well that's just not realistic. kids like him don't get into the programs he'd need to get into to do that'. That's just the reality of life for them. To them, I'm the anomaly. I'm the one who made it out! I left a tough home and a rough couple of years to become a PhD student and a young woman with a stable job, a guy who agrees to watch my cat, and loads of good friends. And I'm DEFINITELY not winning any Grammys hahaha - but by their metric their TEACHERS are some of the most successful or educated people they know, and they don't see themselves as those people.
We do our best for these kids, but it 1000% makes sense that someone from a background like this would say that the kind of success and fame and resources it takes to be an international pop star doesn't happen to people like him. Because it's a million to one. For every Harry Styles, a million David Smiths (not a real kid) don't make it out. So maybe shut up, have some empathy and celebrate an unlikely success? Or like. Eat cake if that fails.
#harry styles#it's been a long time since i've used that tag#the grammys#but also like#people need to stfu#they need to be less classist pricks#and do brits or people in general need to be less racist/xenophobic#hell yeah#my phd is in refugee health - I'm an immigrant twice over !#but also people need to learn that different places in the world have different social structures and that creating an us vs them mentality#only serves to further divide the oppressed#and unite the oppressors#like - members of the elite class LOVE that we're tearing each other apart about working class vs POC working class people#vs working class women vs middle class women vs middle class POC/Black people vs working class Black people vs migrants#vs asylum seekers and refugees etc etc ad nauseum ad infinitum#like they WANT us to tear each other apart over issues like this when actually#it's all a part of the same problem#but if we're squabbling over who has what place on the ladder we forget that actually no one is moving UP the ladder#or making meaningful change to improve the lives of those on the ladder with us#just saying#shut up bella
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What is even going on with the new Spider-Man cartoon, like, I stg that every six months, something major changes and they can't decide what they want it to be, but beyond ideas simply evolving over time organically, like, first it was an MC* prequel, which made no sense based on what the movies had already established if they were going to have supervillains appear, and then it was reworked as an alternate universe or timeline set in the MC*, and first, it was going to be drawn in a Silver Age retro style inspired by Ditko's art, and now it's going to be CGI with mixed reports on if it will be 2D or 3D, and now the title suddenly changed after being in production for what feels like years now, and it's still not coming out until the end of next year.
#xan's spidey meta#this is going to be a mess tbh#not even getting into reframing the peter vs norman conflict#as another white working class vs rich black capitalist thing#bc the media is weirdly obsessed with white oppressed vs oppressors of colour right now
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