my villain origin story is that there used to be both non-fat and full fat greek yogurt options at the grocery store and now for every flavor except lime and lemon there is only non-fat options. non-fat greek yogurt is a sad, dry, chalky experience compared to full fat greek yogurt. I am on two different medications that suppress my appetite so I genuinely need tasty and convenient calories or I will begin wasting away because I forget to eat/eating becomes a chore (also everyone deserves tasty and convenient calories no matter what). and I am getting SO tired of lime or lemon flavored greek yogurt.
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hi I love your tags so so much! they were so sweet and so interesting and creative and the whole Aphrodite type of beauty thing sounds really interesting do you have any articles and recommendations to read further into it??
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Hello my fine feathered (I am assuming possession of feathers if you are, indeed, capable of flight) @hogoflight! I'm always always happy to hear that people appreciate my frenzied rambling in the tags :D! I have a lot of articles and recommendations :D!! Ancient Greek notions of beauty and representations of it in their art and sculptures is a pretty well studied topic! There isn't any way for us now to know definitively what the beauty standard was (it varied widely from region to region and culture to culture after all) but here are a couple of my favourite reads about Aphrodite and what her representations tell us about idealised beauty!
Probably the most empirically extensive one I can list is Krönström's thesis which compares statues of Aphrodite and literary text referring to both the goddess and mortal women to determine physical ideals for women in five specific eras of Grecian antiquity. Including measurements of the statues there are many descriptions of Aphrodite as 'curvy' with a 'voluptuous figure' and with 'ample buttocks and bosom'.
"When the beauty traits are
described in the texts, they are never extreme or anything that could not be found in normal
people just that they are more beautiful in every aspect. Furthermore, the sculptures’ physical
forms look healthy, they are tall and have distinct curves. Great examples of this are the Knida
sculpture and de Milo (the Melian) sculpture."
Of course, these images are still idealised, and there was still a concept such as 'too fat' or 'too skinny' found in written records (and this thesis even includes analysis of pornographic writings and descriptions of the fashion and stylings of pubic hair of women from different regions!!) but from an interpretational standpoint? There is absolutely no reason why these can't refer to a fuller figure. Height was also a very important factor after all and over the course of many eras, it seems like being well proportioned in addition to the length and appearance of one's hair were the most important factors (and, like Apollo, greater beauty was given to those with curlier hair)
Mireille M. Lee's 'Other Ways of Seeing' essay which talks about the forgotten female viewers of Knidian Aphrodite which is also extremely illuminating on how Aphroditic sexuality and sensuality was perceived totally differently from the well documented male voyeuristic gaze (which was overly preoccupied with the statue's nakedness and therefore over-sensationalised the statue's physical appearance) vs women's perspective on the statue which is more centered on the beauty of simplicity in Aphrodite's garment and decoration and in her power and ability to captivate both in her finery and without it. I think it's especially useful in exploring the importance of finery, jewellry and adornment in representations of Aphroditic beauty.
"Some of the small-scale copies are
heavily jeweled, especially those from the eastern Mediterranean, for example the Hellenistic gilded terracotta statuette in the Çanakkale Museum (Fig. 5) in which the goddess wears, in addition to the armband on her (right) arm, the following: a necklace with multiple pendants; cross-bands extending over both shoulders and hips, with a cascading pendant in the center; a coiled snake armband on the left arm and another snake on her left thigh, and a twisted anklet on her right leg. (The left leg has been restored, and might also have featured an anklet.)"
"Jewelry is especially associated with Aphrodite in Greek literature. As seen above, in the Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite, the goddess adorns herself with gold jewelry, dress-pins, and earrings in the shape of flowers (162–3)..."
Finally, and to me, the most important one in the argument for an interpretation of Hyacinthus as fat, beautiful and fundamentally Aphroditic comes from Brilmayer's brilliant brilliant thesis done on Aphrodite's work and influence in Archaic Greek Poetry which does away with all of that masculine preoccupation with physical proportion, measurement and bodily ideals for a focus on a Sapphic Aphroditic ideal centered in clothing, ornamentation and, most importantly cunning as symbols of Aphrodite and ultimately a feminine idealised form of beauty. This paper also discusses Pandora and Helen in these terms and it is just kind of a wonderful read tbh.
"Combining Homeric and Hesiodic elements
with her own ideas, she [Sappho] alters the way female beauty
is viewed. For example, the Homeric war chariot – a
symbol of male, military prowess - comes to
symbolise the totality of Aphrodite’s power uniting
in itself male and female qualities.
Having addressed the concept of beauty directly,
Sappho then concludes that beauty lies in the eye of
the beholder. With the help of Helen of Troy and her
beloved Anaktoria, Sappho sets out to reinvent the
concept of female beauty as a godlike, subjective
quality that may be expressed in many ways, yet
remains inspired by Aphrodite."
The conclusion to all of this of course is that Aphroditic ideal beauty is much more fluid compared to its stricter Apolline masculine standard. The nuances and understandings of both are of course, constantly being studied, analysed and scrutinised but really, if Dionysus who was both bearded and clean shorn, effeminate, birthed and rebirthed (and twice gestated!) and strongly associated with vegetation can be popularly portrayed as fat and handsome, why can't Hyacinthus?!
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now that capcom has debuted a female character built like a hot brick wall to raving reviews i’m ready to see more diverse body types in these character designs
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happy fat dragon friday from Vormun and Izumi ^^
sometimes i draw my dragons standing on 2 legs and sometimes on 4. but they aren't necessarily anthro, i think they just do whatever is convenient.
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I always wonder: How did Baby! NiGHTS and Baby! Reala react to having pacifiers in their mouths?
I personally like to believe that Baby! NiGHTS would be constantly spitting it out. 😂
Baby NiGHTS would absolutely spit them out- as soon as she realized it wasn’t something edible or someone’s fingers (baby BITES). Until then though it’s not coming out of her mouth no matter how hard you try- she’s clamped onto it hard!
Given how much I make newborn Reala a crybaby, Pacifiers or bundles of cloth would be used to let them soothe themself while the older nightmarens were busy/ they weren’t sleeping or eating. This would be when some of their personality would shine through- a very curious baby when not stressed out.
As a side note, I actually give NiGHTS a ring to chew on as a sort of pacifier thing- though I realize since I never finished the comic that showed them chewing on it, it’s never been shown on tumblr. That however is for when they’re a small child- It has the story of being one of Puffy’s bracelets she gave them to quiet them down- related actually to NiGHTS photophobia if you can believe it. They still keep it in their collar as an adult- it’s terribly chewed up, but NiGHTS can’t bear to get rid of it.
(Here’s a WIP of that comic.)
Reala’s equivalent is a chain that used to connect Jackle’s mantle to his collar but… Reala needed it more. That chain re-appears as part of my older Reala’s horn jewelry- He also kept it!
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