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So she spoke, and made trial of her husband. But Odysseus, in a burst of anger, spoke to his true-hearted wife, and said: “Woman, truly this is a bitter word that thou hast spoken. Who has set my bed elsewhere? Hard would it be for one, [185] though never so skilled, unless a god himself should come and easily by his will set it in another place. But of men there is no mortal that lives, be he never so young and strong, who could easily pry it from its place, for a great token is wrought in the fashioned bed, and it was I that built it and none other.
Hom.Od.23.181-189
So everyone loves the moment of recognition between Penelope and Odysseus and how Penelope basically "forces the true Odysseus" come out with her own trick. Many believe that the recognition happens because of the detailed account of how he made the bed and how it was the secret only a few knew but in my opinion this is not 100% true.
Penelope did not recognize her husband because he analyzed their secret; she recognized him because of his reaction.
Odysseus replied "in a burst of anger". He is exaspirated, afraid, worried and surprised. That is the husband she wants to see; the husband who wants nothing else but his home, his roots and his wife. Anyone could reveal to any mortal the secret of her bed; from one of the servants till one of the gods but there is one thing no one can fake;
The GENUINE emotion. Odysseus replied so immediately and so abruptly in such a genuine emotion that left Penelope no doubt yet that this was her husband. Odysseus didn't just ask her how it is possible to move the bed; he asked her in ANGER a genuine exaspiration and disbelief. No actor or god could mimic that genuine emotion. Odysseus spent about half his time in Ithaca hiding his emotions so he would survive. At that moment of the mention of moving the imovable bed his emotions just showed.
The sign she recognized was not the information he gave her it was his heart.
#odysseus#greek mythology#the odyssey#odyssey#odypen#odysseus and penelope#recognition#odysseus bed#olive tree#olive tree bed#homer#just a homeric poem writer and enthusiast#homeric epics#homeric poems#the odyssey 1997#the odyssey 1968#tagamemnon#odysseus was severely traumatized#penelope#odysseus x penelope#katerinaaqu analyzes#katerinaa
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Penelope's final gambit, you will always be famous, no matter the subtext.
#poorly drawn odyssey#the odyssey#odysseus#penelope#epic the musical#Epic's version was very sweet and very well executed (and so cathartic!)#But Odyssey Penelope is *so* done with all the bullshit at this point in the story.#Credit where it is due; at this point she's been through a lot.#And to top if all off - her own son and one of the few maids on her side are buying into this (supposed) ruse.#This cannot have been the only time someone tried to pull this trick on her either.#Its the contrast between: 'Oh you're My husband?' and 'Ohh *sureeee* you're my husband. Just like the 30 other 'Odys' before you.'#The olive tree bed trick is a great gambit because it really is the final test to verify his identity.#I'm just a sucker for couples who have a secret only they know between them I suppose!#The match each other in will and wit! They will always find each other!!!#Anyways. The Odyssey is a worthwhile read and I highly recommend it. Epic is also a great musical worth checking out.
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how i imagine poseidon (who i believe can feel when people invoke not only his name but the ocean as well) reacted to hearing antinous plotting to kill telemachus and dump his body (parts) in the ocean
*up on olympus in apollo's infirmary*
poseidon: *recovering and enjoying peace after athena had left a day ago*
poseidon: *to himself* ahh finally some peac-
poseidon: *feels someone invoking the ocean*
poseidon: *focusing on who's saying it* who on gaia is...is that coming from ithaca...
poseidon: wait- ITHACA?!?
poseidon: *fully focuses now*
antinous: *in the ithacan palace*
antinous: cut him down into tiny pieces...
poseidon: *listening in full now* cut wh-
antinous: ...when the crown wonders where the prince is-
poseidon: the prince? yoU MEAN ODYSSEUS' SON?
antinous: only the ocean and i will know!
poseidon: *in full panic mode* OCEAN?!
poseidon: *now attempting to get out of bed in panic* HADES NO, I AM NOT INVOLVED WITH THIS I-
apollo: *coming to check on his uncle after hearing him shout*
apollo: uncle wh- *sees poseidon attempting to get out of bed*
apollo: *hurrying over to get him back in bed*
apollo: uncle calm down! you're gonna rip your stitches!
#*apollo manages to get poseidon back into bed after telling him odysseus will take care of the suitors*#poseidon: *now back in bed* how do you know?#apollo: *restitching some of poseidons chest wounds*#apollo (the god of prophecy): *looks at poseidon with a blank face*#apollo: *points to himself*#poseidon: *realises* oh#poseidon: *after a minute of letting apollo stitch him up again*#poseidon: wait so did you know odysseus was going to beat me?#apollo: *stays quiet but has a small smirk on his face*#poseidon: i hate this family#epic the musical#epic: the musical#poseidon epic#apollo epic the musical#epic ithaca saga#epic ithaca saga spoilers#the ithaca saga#ithaca saga
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“After everything you’ve done… How will you sleep at night?”
“Next to my wife.”
NO HESITATION! NOT A FUCKING LICK OF HESITATION. HE WILL. BE SLEEPING. NEXT TO. HIS WIFE.
That told YOU!
#epic spoilers#epic the musical spoilers#epic vengeance saga spoilers#epic odysseus#epic#epic the musical#epic vengeance saga#epic poseidon#SIR WHAT DID YOU THINK HED DO???#YOU GOT YOUR COMEUPPENCE#MADE YOUR BED#MUST LIE IN IT
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POV: You're Anticlea and Laertes of Ithaca and your son came back from Sparta after swearing he was just going for politics
#Now he's carving a tree bed and apparently has to race her dad? Who you may kind of have beef with? :/#...At least he seems really really fucking happy :)#Water Wife#this is about Naiad Pen btw#Mad rambles#shot by odysseus#Mad memes#penelope#penelope of ithaca#odypen#odysseus#odyssey#the odyssey#tagamemnon#greek mythology#anticlea#laertes#odysseus and penelope#odysseus x penelope#odysseus/penelope#this is funny. to me#my headcanons#join me in joyous whimsey :3#epic the musical
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poseidon: get in the water.
ody: what?
poseidon, tucking hair behind his ear: i'm the water
#epic: the musical#epic the vengeance saga#epic poseidon#epic odysseus#manwhore au#sitting in bed posting beach pictures to maintain my stupid social media presence and this vision came to me#epic the musical
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As much as Mutiny/Thunder Bringer crushed me, of course Odysseus chose what he did. Even if we ignore Penelope for a minute (because of course he was going to choose her), Eurylochus and the rest of the men had pretty much given up on going home. "Ody, we're never gonna get to make it home, you know its true." Out of all of them, Odysseus was the only one who still had faith, who was still FIGHTING. And even after being betrayed by his men (who arguably only did so because he betrayed them first), he still tried to keep them alive! Right up until Zeus made him choose. And then it wasn't much of a choice. They'd already given up. And he had to get home.
#epic the musical#epic spoilers#thunder saga#odysseus#i need to go to bed jfc#they may have given up on going home but they still wanted so desperately to LIVE#600 men that never got to make it back home
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#epic the musical memes#epic the ithaca saga#epic the musical#memes#odysseus#penelope#odypen#marriage bed#olive tree
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Last chance to post this before people stop caring about Wisdom saga ODY AND ATHENA FRIENDSHIP MEAN SM TO ME YOU DONT GET IT
#He later uses this same carpentry skills to carve the odypen wedding bed 🥹#I first saw this wooden owl gift Odysseus gave Athena in a We’ll be Fine animatic#Has not left my mind ever since#I wonder why the kid hesitated saying “mentorship#JUST ADMIT YOU LIKE THE BOY ATHENA HES INTERNALLY HOLDING BACK BE HE KNOWS YOU DONT LIKE ADMITTING FEELINGS#epic the musical#epic athena#epic the wisdom saga#fanart#epic odysseus#jorge rivera herrans#epic the musical fanart#artists on tumblr#xria art
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my dear penelope, we've twenty lost years of love to make up for.
#odypen#odysseus#penelope#greek mythology#GRAAHGHG this was fun to work on even if there are things id change#i was just having fun coming up with a penelope design and then. oops made a whole piece#does it make sense for their olive tree bed to have an ocean view NO but it's the aesthetic tm#originally I had the room closed off but the sunrise colors drew me in ..... i couldn't resist......#I just. think about all of the time they spent apart and yet they still adore each other so much!!!!!#they are THE definition of love imo.#i wanted to give them olive leaves or twigs but it got too cluttered and wonky feeling#i also initially had penelope with olive leaf earrings but changed it to the clasps on her dress#but i think she'd have an assortment of olive themed accessories and whatnot#clasps and hair pins and earrings and necklaces and all of that. because the olive tree represents their love!!!!#the odyssey
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Waiting... Waiting...
So... This was inspired by listening to EPIC (FREAKING LOVE ALL THE ALBUMS, SO GOOD) and by @noxcheshire post of Tim being Odysseus reincarnated and Danny (maybe also reincarnated) being his Penelope (Here) so I had to turn it into a Dead Tired idea.
The song The Challenge is the main one here. (Cause I LOVE that song... along with Would You Fall In Love With Me Again)
So WHAT IF Danny IS the reincarnated Penelope, after becoming the Ghost King Danny's memories of his past life as Penelope returns and remembers how before dying/ or being reincarnated both Penelope and Odysseus promised to find each other in their new lives, no matter who they are, what new form they take, they will find each other.
So Danny/Penelope, just like before waits for their Odysseus to return to them, but also tries to find him in their new life (CW is laughing whenever Danny asks for hints and gets a 'In due time, just wait' answer, ugh Danny wants to smack CW for that)
However just like in his previous life with being in a high position of power, Danny is being pressured to marry/take a spouse (now its not just men/males though so its a huge headache, I head canon Ghosts don't care much for gender preference) mostly by the dang eyeballs that Danny is still trying to find a way to get rid of without upsetting the Infinite Realms dedicate (but slowly healing) balance even if Danny wanted nothing more than to punch all of the suitors out.
So Danny decides to play the long game again.
And waits for their Odysseus return.
Danny's wait is over when they suddenly feel the Realms shift one day, as if welcoming someone familiar home, and the same feeling Danny had when he had been Penelope and saw the storm that was sign of Odysseus coming home, Danny decides its time to bring out The Challenge once again. (CW gifted Danny a few things from his past as Penelope as a coronation gift, like Odysseus's bow (now enchanted to be unbreakable), a painting of when he was Penelope, with Telemchus, and Odysseus, and the Marriage Bed/Olive Tree, AND the Palace Odysseus made that Danny takes to being in over being at Pariah's Keep)
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Meanwhile
Tim Drake, aka Red Robin, always had strange dreams as a child.
War, Death, Monsters, Gods, Goddesses.
His dreams were more like nightmares, haunting him and he sometimes woke up in cold sweat.
He hated storms. Hated being in the water for to long. Hated how he felt both tense but also at home when around Greek heroes, as if he was afraid to 'disrespect' them (Cassie was the only one he didn't feel that way around, mostly cause they had been somewhat friends before their heroing since their parents knew each other) but also knew how to appease them should he insult them. He also had a strange hatred for the CoO with a burning passion because he felt like they were mocking real Owls.
The worst part of nightmares that always pop up are of what feels like should be his home is being invaded by unwanted guests (they aren't guests), how they are angry over trying to string a bow and shot an arrow through axes, of the terrible terrible things he hear them saying they were going to do to his loved ones (two names that keep getting muted out).
How it ends in bloodshed with echoing of begging, pleading, mercy, and screams.
However in those nightmares at the end. He also finds himself looking for something in them.
Or rather he always found someone waiting for him at the end of the nightmares. Calling him by the wrong name but it sounds just right coming from them.
The dream always ends with the person asking 'How long has it been?' and before he can answer he wakes up.
So yeah Tim has horrifying nightmares/dreams he could never explain.
And the urge to find someone. To go home to them.
It isn't until he and his friends from Young Justice are hit by a spell from Klarion (who may or may not had a visit from a certain chaos encouraging Time Keeper) and sent to a place called the Infinite Realms in the middle of their fight, that Tim is hit hard with déjà vu when he spots a certain Palace in the distance and overhears some of the 'people?' (they glow and float and some don't even look human?! where are they?) talk about how the 'King' has issued a new 'Challenge' for his 'suitors'.
A Challenge involving a bow, and axes.
And Tim, feels like he knows this all too well and needs to do it.
#danny phantom#danny fenton#crossover#dp x dc#blue rambles#danny phantom dc#writing ideas#random idea#dpxdc#dead tired#Danny is Penelope reincarnated#Tim is Odysseus reincarnated#Danny regains memories after being crowned#but gets 'courted' by 'suitors' again by the eyeballs#Tim is feeling a bit murderous when he hears the gossip#he doesn't know why yet#the urge to go to the familiar looking palace hits Tim hard#He frames it to his friends that maybe this King can help them though#Am I feral for this idea#YES#also wouldn't it be funny if like Dani is Telemchus reincarnated if we go with Dani being more like Danny's child?#Just tossing more ideas out#Most likely going to be my last DPxDC 2024 prompt lol#Tim once he decides to do the Challenge is going to be VERY murderous towards the eyeballs/suitors to LEAVE#Also Danny totally does the 'Can you move the wedding bed?' question just to make sure Tim is Odysseus#And Tim is so taken aback that he answers the same way he did the first time and doesn't realize it. It comes out like second nature.#Rants about it#And Danny just smiles at the answers
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Okay so with the line "the olive tree where we first met" we have two equal hilarious options.
When penelope was sassily like oh I'll marry you if you make a living bed out of this tree right here! Cue penelope stumbling over odysseus very very carefully digging up the tree "because how else is he going to get it to itacha we can't have a wedding bed out in the open in sparta duh"
Or
2. Penelope, knowing that Helen's suitors would soon be arriving to take over her home for a while. Snuck out and went on her own wacky shenanigan filled journey where she scoped out all the major players. Odysseus caught her spying in an olive tree. And when she got back she told Helen she had dibs on the cutie from itacha.
#epic the musical#epic spoilers#Itacha saga#penelope#Odysseus#Odypen#odysseus x penelope#Young odypen courting was filled with wacky nonsense basically canon confrimed#The line “....where we first met” implying that they first met under that specific olive tree#Which has to have some absolutely insane logistics that only odypen (and maybe Athena) could pull off#Odypen being 🥰 🤝 rat bastards in love#Option one odysseus Athena please please please helpppp me pen said she'd only marry me if I made a wedding bed out of this tree#Athena: once again I think you are praying to the wrong person but fuck it how do you think you're going to keep that tree alive#Odysseus: ....a large bucket?#Athena gimme a sec okay I need to go have ares bash my skull in before I watch something this stupid#Athena: checking in on penelope her chosen weaver only for her to be pulling her hair out#Penelope (to her cousins): why did I fucking say that! Beating fathers already an impossible challenge why did I say that#He's going to think I was making fun of him! He's not going to want to marry me now!#Helen: weren't you? Making fun of him?#Penelope: That's not the point!#clytemnestra: Hey he's digging the tree up and has the biggest bucket I've ever seen#Penelope: what?! Trips over every item in the room and gets tangled in her curtains blushing like crazy#Athena: ....it's been a while since I checked up on diomedes training. He'd never put me through this nonsense#Option 2#Helen's maybe a little nervous and wants to know more about who she has to potentially marry and penelope promises her she'll get rundown#Helen did not expect penelope to disappear but she probably should have....it'll probably be fine. Right?#Some kings penlope just straight up greets some she stays hidden and spies#Odysseus is the only one who catches her (he trains woth Athena in the olive Grove#She was not happy when odysseus nearly tripped onto her spear point face first when he saw the strange pretty girl)#And odysseus who's been king for a few years now knows every lady's face because he'll probably have to marry one of them someday
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I know that penelope saying "don't tell me you're not the same person, you're always my husband" is just supposed to be her saying that all she cares about is that he's odysseus and he loves her (and don't get me wrong it IS incredibly sweet and romantic and it makes me tear up a little)
but considering the first thing odysseus does in the musical is commit war crimes and then he just never stops at all, it tickles me to think that she's also saying he's always been a horrible little monster, she's always known, and she thinks the horrors are part of the fun.
#what she says: I don't care what you did as long as you're odysseus and I can still break your heart I love you#what I hear: oh come on ofc the crimes were never going to make me stop loving you AND the monster thing was stupid that's just all you#(3rd condition for her loving him still is that she can still mess with him ofc)#(I will say I find the way it was sung in the snippets more pleasant? bt it's v satisfying how passionate she sounds in the final version)#epic the musical#mine#yeah ofc odysseus wasn't committting war crimes before he had to leave his palace that he built around an olive tree bed#but come on. the potential was always there.
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"how will you sleep at night?"
"in the palace i built, in the big oak bed i carved, beside my half water nymph wife."
#epic the musical#odysseus epic the musical#odysseus epic#poseidon epic the musical#poseidon epic#penelope epic the musical#penelope epic#odypen#epic the vengeance saga#vengeance saga#he is going to sleep like a babe after killing those suitors#he BUILT the palace#he CARVED the bed#that's HIS wife#odysseus the man you are#hera is cheering you on
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a little reunion animatic
#art#animatic#tagamemnon#the odyssey#odyssey#odysseus#penelope#greek mythology#epic iii#hadestown#so I skipped some steps haha#with the whole her tricking him thing#this is fully inspired by that one passed in the Odysseys where Penelope runs down to meet Odysseus (though not at the bed) and finds him s#eyes on the ground#waiting for her to react#which.#devastating thanks homer#also a funny visual#but mostly heartbreaking#Youtube
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some tiny spoilers for far future scenes from "The man and the sea" :3
Tsundere Ody is life~
forgot to mention: Poseidon is in his more-humanlike form cause he wants Ody to be comfortable and has insecurities about his appearance
#my art#epic the musical#poseidon x odysseus#odysseus x poseidon#odyseidon#epic poseidon#epic odysseus#the man and the sea#the man and the sea au#my fic#tiny spoilers#yapping in bed#he's complaining#guess about what ahah#also pay attention to Posy's eyes#heheh
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