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meziniart · 9 months ago
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mgs but make it iasip
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himejoshibutch · 4 months ago
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aside from the 71 minute long cutscene at the end of the game mgs4 does not exist to me
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mosscrab · 1 year ago
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mgsv has so many literary references to books i have essays abt it kind of makes me.
#i'm sick this is my slightly fever-induced thought stream in the rest of the tags sorry ->#all the 1984 stuff is really interesting. the position of both ocelot and kaz as the people running room 101 is really fascinating.#because it somehow manages to place huey in the position of winston while also having venom be in the position of winston.#<- would that make quiet julia? actually yes it does bc of her nature motifs.#and the whole game seems to doublethink of whats real and what isn't. though it starts to tell you what isn't real its still there.#and then with moby dick you have pequod which is just. the ship. and queegueg who is ishmaels friend. which is why its kind of perfect he i#the other pilot we see who takes kaz places. and theres other stuff with him but i don't want to get into that. i could go on for a while.#but whats interesting is that ahab seems to apply more to kaz than it does to venom. esp because his own deception results in his downfall.#whereas that isn't true with venom if youve played mg1 he just kinda keeps going with it to at least some degree.#and i guess kaz is working for foxhound but you know what i mean.#ocelot even being the perfect counterpart to starbuck who works at kaz's side but disagrees with his methods to an extreme.#he isn't of the same morals as starbuck but its just the oppositional character type.#does that mean cipher is moby dick. yes actually bc of the leg thing with kaz. oh my god.#<- funny enough i am actually getting moby dick back out of the library bc i never finished it and its been ages since i read what i did.#i remember the narration being kind of nuts.#honestly the lord of the flies stuff feels less like a reference and more like eli read that book and decided he wanted to do it irl. lol.#i can't say these books are even close to being favorites but i'm intimately familiar with both 1984 and lotf so those are. those.#and moby dick is genuinely just kind of. what in the hell did i experience. theres a lot to unpack.#and i didn't even finish the damn thing.#ok i'm done now i just needed to get that out of my system. now i'm off to read veniss underground. 👍#.txt
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cerastes · 8 months ago
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Habe you ever had a "did we even play the same game?" moment with someone?
My favorite game ever used to be Metal Gear Solid 4, it’s still up there in my top favorites, and this time at a party I met a guy that said he didn’t like MGS4 because he felt like it ruined Snake as a character and that it misrepresented him. I asked if he could elaborate and his response was that they took this Rambo dude, this super manly war hero and emasculated him into a weak old man.
I need you to understand that Solid Snake was without exaggeration fundamental in my growth as a person: I am from a latino country, grew up in what’s widely considered the wrong side of the tracks in the middle of nowhere, being macho, manly, tough was incredibly important to me, because that’s how it was in there, and Snake (plus “The Knight In Rusty Armor” by Robert Fisher) basically made me question all of what I’d grown up thinking up until then, because Snake isn’t a badass because grrr manly beef jerky I kill and swear, he is this incredibly solemn guy who hates what he can do, but is the only one that can do it, and if he doesn’t do it, then nuclear war happens, or worse. There’s a whole angle of expectation as a narrative arc in regards to Snake: Meryl expected a glorious, boisterous war hero, Otacon expected a grizzled, badass action hero, Liquid expected Himself But Better In Every Way, Ocelot expected a tool and nothing else, Naomi expected a callous and cold killer… And they were all wrong, he is, ultimately, an exhausted man that cannot stop no matter how much he wants to stop, because if he does, the world might likely go up in literal flames.
So to hear this self-proclaimed superfan of Snake say this just made me skip anger and go all the way to pity. In-universe, those in the know of Snake worship him as an actual God of War, and it’s a common thing that gets addressed in-universe: The whole point of MGS2 is that Raiden could never have won if he tried to be Snake, because you don’t want to be Snake. Snake hates being Snake. Snake isn’t manly because he beat a tank on foot one on one, Snake is admirable because he does the right thing, even if he’s breaking down molecule by molecule as he goes and he wants nothing more than to fuck off and raise dogs in the arctic, but keeps on going anyways because he can do something about it. The most important message he imparts on Raiden and Meryl is Don’t Be Me; Create A World Where Snake Doesn’t Need To Exist.
I felt pity because if you feel like MGS4 misrepresented Snake, then you really and explicitly are exactly the kind of fodder PMC nobody that feeds the proxy wars in MGS4. I think only by skipping every cutscene you can come out thinking that way. The only thing super about him was ficial.
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velvetjune · 4 months ago
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In terms of characters, Ocelot is my favorite. thought he’d be a random first boss to kill in MGS1 and ended up in nearly every game being the funniest antagonist and roleplaying as a cowboy. in a team of people with unbelievable combat abilities and literal superpowers, his speciality is: shooting revolvers really good. incredible.
i loved mgs 2
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dark-lord-of-awesomeness · 3 months ago
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In a Cat! Stan au where Stan is some kind of small to mid-size wild cat, I imagine Ford would be in firm, firm denial that Stan wasn't just a feral cat while Fiddleford is pleading with him to send Stan to a reservation or something. Like, on his knees begging while Ford is just calling his idea insanity because, obviously, Nikola isn't a wildcat! Ford, 12 PhDs, would notice!
Fiddleford would like Nikola more in this AU, though, because I think with Fiddleford being raised on a farm, he'd know the wild/domestic division very well and would not expect good pet behavior from a wild animal. He would be annoyed as hell at Stan's innocent act with Ford tho.
I imagine if Ford realized Nikola isn't a house cat would end up with Ford 1) thinking Nikoka has been illegally smuggled into the US and 2) debating the ethics of keeping a wild animal just to decide it's okay because Nikola has obviously been around humans too much to take care of himself, and so Nikola needs Ford, and no reserve or zoo could do it as well as he can. Obviously. (Ford is 100% delusional.)
This can become even funnier if Ford finds Stan's car, realizes Nikola is comfortable there, and convinces himself Stan is the one who smuggled Nikola in the first place lol. This would lead to both mushy feelings as Stan, his brother, meets his beloved cat and angry feelings because Stan, his brother, yanked his precious cat from where he belongs; poor Nikola >:C Ford being protective of Stan from Stan is adorably hilarious to me.
If Ford never accepts this, I imagine him denying Stan's wild status even when Stan reveals his identity, and it becomes a running gag in the family. Ford is the only one who truly doesn't think Stan's a wildcat, but everyone else refuses to give up on the joke, and it drives Stan mad. Especially if everyone else was a big cat lmao.
Also, while I've imagined stan as, like, a black-footed cat or Asian wild cat, I now realize it would be even better if Stan was, like, an ocelot or a serval, something so obviously not domestic, yet Ford is in denial anyway.
Sorry about this being so long, I like to talk lol.
In an Au where Stan is a small wild cat breed, Ford is 100% in denial about it. Now, he isn't an expert on wild cats, so at first he just has no idea, except that if Stan is any breed that's very obviously exotic this becomes hilarious. Fiddleford is pulling up all kinds of books and articles about whatever kind of wild cat Stan is, and how he needs to find some kind of expert to take care of him, but Ford is looking away. Nikola is a sweetheart and loves him and is very obviously a house cat!
Fiddleford also excuses all of Stan's behavior as that of a wild cat who isnt suited to living a domestic life. Except that Stan is very much not like this with Ford, so whats up with that?
Ford lives in denial until they find Stan's car, and Stan gets very cozy with it. Then immediately he 180's into 'of course Nikola is a wild breed, and i bet Stan is responsible for this poor creatures poor socialization. Now he's too used to humans to ever go back to the wild so i might as well keep him :)" This is now just another one of Stan's mess's he's cleaning up, and there's no reason to look further into how Nikola got here or where Stan is now :):)
Then 180's again when its revealed to be Stan. No way Stan's a wild cat, that's his brother >:(. His brother couldnt be a wild animal. (This has nothing to do with jealousy, Ford just knows his brother). Ford was right all along, Stan's a house cat and nothing else >:(.
Basically no one is ever going to be happy with Ford's opinion on what kind of cat Stan is. He's determined to be difficult.
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enden-agolor · 9 months ago
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you really dont see potential with aidkas? what about as exes? or after aiden redemption?
No, I don't.
I really don't like the whole ex's trope because I really don't see Lukas and Aiden having that kind of relationship at all in the first couple episodes. It's very clear Aiden does not care about, or respect Lukas.
He ignored Lukas when Lukas said he wanted the team to focus on the build, but Aiden kept harassing Jesse and his friends. Honestly? I think Lukas blew up at him at the building competition because we end up seeing them all split off at Endercon. Then Lukas confesses he's not really sure he feels like he's picked the right team. In all honesty, I think that the Ocelots are just a building squad and not a devoted friend group.
If they were truly friends, and if Aiden actually cared about Lukas, then Aiden would have been relieved that Lukas was okay after staying with Jesse and his friends throughout the Witherstorm arc. Sending Lukas to go out alone when there's a world eating monster is reckless and wrong. Logically, his safest bet is to stay with the group, and if Aiden cared about Lukas' wellbeing, he would have acknowledged this and understood Lukas' decision making. Instead, we are shown how bitter Aiden is that Lukas felt comfortable enough with Jesse and his team to stick with them, even if you choose to go back for the Ocelots.
He's cocky and shows no remorse in kicking Lukas out of his own group because what? He made friends who actually care about him? That makes Aiden, Maya, and Gill hardly ever Lukas' friends to begin with if they were so willing to ditch him. Aiden insults him when he's not even around to hear it.
In all honesty, I think the reason Aiden is so damn jealous is not because Lukas stuck around Jesse more, but because Jesse and his friends became heroes. Because the people Aiden hated and harassed became heroes, and he didn't. You can tell this is the case by how obsessed Aiden is with taking down Jesse specifically. He doesn't see either of them as heroes. He sees them as obstacles getting in the way of his own ego.
That is pretty clear with how he showed absolutely no hesitation in pushing either of the two off Sky City. He had no idea there was ground down there. Aiden, in his mind, felt as though he were pushing Lukas and Jesse into the void to be lost forever. The dude is a straight up sociopath.
As for Aiden's "redemption". I think he needs to stay in Sky City and never interact with Lukas or Jesse again. Saying Lukas and him have potential to get together if Aiden apologizes absolutely destroys everything Lukas has worked up to being throughout the games. He found the friend group he needed. He found his own self worth. He found bravery. He found himself without Aiden. The only people who ever brought him down were Aiden, Maya, and Gill. Putting him with his abuser/bully is basically self sabotage. It would be horrible for Lukas. Lukas has moved on and is living his life happily in BeaconTown with Jesse. Aiden needs to move on and understand that the people he attempted to murder are not going to accept his apology. Who in their right mind would? Aiden needs to make up for what he did to Sky City, and I think starting a new life there without the people of his past who's lives he tried to destroy is the right direction to go.
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yandereunsolved · 4 months ago
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I wonder how the evil polycule would be like taking care of their darling when she’s pregnant with their child I’d imagine ocelot would pamper tf out of her along with kaz tho I think venom would understand her pregnancy a lot more(since ya know he was on the medical field before)
nice thought! Yandere evil polycule being overprotective and possessive of their pregnant darling >>>
afab. gender neutral pronouns. set in MGSV: Phantom Pain
3 children minimum (one from each of them). They have a deal. BB knocks up darling first. Then Kaz and Ocelot argue about who gets to do it the second time. Ocelot wins over BB. He goes second and Kaz goes third.
No missions or work during your pregnancy. That is a hard line rule they have. They'll let you practice cqc with them in your earlier months so you can still exercise, but it's lower intensity.
They do have some internalized problems and trauma that they have to work through. All of them had horrid things happen in their past. So they are overprotective and tend to infantilize their darling.
Still, they are wonderful caretaker husbands.
Venom Snake is insecure and frightened about what could happen to you and the baby. He doesn't show it, but you can see it through how he acts. Whenever he sees you he puts a hand on your stomach and brings you close to him. He's hesitant to be intimate or affectionate because he doesn't want to accidentally injure you. His innate medical knowledge tells him that he knows how to keep you safe and help you have a good pregnancy, but he's still... scared. And Big Boss can't afford to be scared.
Is 100% on your side in all situations, even if you are in the wrong. If your hormones are causing emotional problems and a soldier sets you off (even for the tiniest thing?) that soldier is gonna be in for hell.
Ocelot is a good rock to lean on. He isn't distant like Venom or clingy like Kaz. He's there. When you need him he'll provide you with what you need. He's like Venom in the fact that he's constantly checking on your health. Encourages and does stretching with you. Thinks you look extremely attractive while pregnant, especially stretching with him. Seeing how your body moves and is changing is enamoring. Revels in your vulnerability. You're so easy to manipulate in this state. Those paternal instincts of yours are just oh-so-precious.
(Likes putting his scarf over your stomach to keep it 'warm'. It's the symbolism for him that turns it into a habit. You're sitting down and Ocelot places his scarf on your stomach to keep the baby safe.)
Kazuhira is very soft. The softest of them. He is outwardly the most caring. Helps you with everything and anything. Is the one most excited about baby choices. Names? Clothes? Room? Oh, yeah. Kazuhira is your guy. It heals him. He looks at you and sees hope. He looks at you and sees someone who is too good for them. He looks at you and sees someone who needs to leave with him... This place is too dangerous. No matter which pregnancy you are on―he's itching to get you away from Venom and Ocelot, even if it hurts like hell.
He's lost too much of himself. Not you. Never you.
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bunniekittiee · 2 years ago
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Imagine Bi-Han’s S/O and Tomas sharing a strong sibling(in law) bond, they became their other half who enjoyed sharing their one braincell. I just thought it would be funny and that Tomas is fun to get along with.
I can definitely see that! I have written a few headcanons about Bi-Han's s/o and Tomas interacting (like finding the ocelot named Jia), as well as ones with Kuai Liang. I go into their relationship more here, but I am happy to go more in depth with Tomas and Bi-Han's s/o. I just wrote for fem. reader because it was a bit easier that way and I got less tongue-tied, but it can be read from any angle.
Bi-Han's S/O and Tomas' Relationship
Bi-Han's s/o usually keeps him in check when it comes to his brothers, especially Tomas.
She knows that Tomas is mostly targeted by Bi-Han's rage, especially for no reason. So, she does her best to keep Bi-Han's comments to a minimum.
Tomas always shrugs Bi-Han's rude comments off, but he is happy to know that someone else cares and wants to change it.
Kuai Liang steps in, but he definitely does not do it as often.
Only when Bi-Han is being extremely cruel.
Tomas is the brother that is absolutely down to go out and anywhere of her choice. He is just happy to be out and get a break from the Arctika.
He knows that it is their home, but it is never wrong to get a break every once in a while, right?
They tend to go out as often as possible, and sometimes Kuai Liang will join! It just depends, he is a bit of a homebody.
Tomas takes her out to Madame Bo's often and they definitely get special treatment.
Liu Kang's champions were not informed that Bi-Han had married, so they assumed she was Tomas' s/o.
Tomas did get a little embarrassed and had to tell them that she was Bi-Han's wife. And Johnny was in complete shock.
How could anyone marry the Ice King? (hehe)
Sometimes they will get mistaken for being a couple when they are out somewhere, but they learned to just ignore it.
They don't tell Bi-Han just in case he does get angry and puts a stop to their outings.
But Bi-Han trusts Tomas and his s/o, and he knows that his wife deserves a break from the Arctika. It can be endearing sometimes, and he understands this.
However, he knows how stupid they can be, and that's what can worry him a bit.
One time, Tomas had accidentally told a lady congratulations on being pregnant when she wasn't, and he was nearly skinned alive.
Y/N thought it was absolutely hilarious as Tomas was berated and they both had to run in the alley way in order to escape the angry woman.
They both still laugh about it to this day.
"I would have made the same mistake! I really thought she was." She had told Tomas, so he felt less bad.
Tomas does like the chisme, so if Bi-Han's s/o has any info about the champions or people they know, he wants to hear about it.
There have been many late-night tea times when Bi-Han was swamped with work, and they have both stayed up late talking about other people.
Kuai Liang is not a big chismoso like Tomas, but sometimes he will join.
Tomas is down for spa days, and they will both do face care and meditate together.
When dealing with Bi-Han, it is definitely needed.
Tomas has painted her toes before, and he slathered them with nail polish.
It was like a bad art project, and it made a horrific mess.
Her and Tomas both have a habit of finding random animals, more so after they found Jia. Some of them they take in, others they can't because Bi-Han won't allow it.
An ocelot you can tame, but a bear?! He thought they were absolutely out of their minds.
They came across a baby cow one time, and Tomas was run over by its mother.
Bi-Han's s/o was worried about him, but she did fall over laughing after he got up and looked like he had seen a ghost.
"Her udders were in my face!"
That did not help her laughter.
One time, a cockroach scurried near them, and they were both sent into a screaming mess.
Tomas was full on screaming like a girl. Bi-Han was pissed at first until he saw what it was.
Because they interrupted his work, he left them there to wail about the cockroach that was nearing them.
Kuai Liang had to set it free outside for them to calm down.
Bi-Han did not get laid that night.
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mksbigg3stfan · 1 year ago
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In the first season of MCSM, Lukas has had a place with the Ocelots for a long time. He knows they have rude tendencies that he doesn't agree with, but they really are his only friends. He's only "friendly" with other people. He admires people like Petra and Gabriel, who, to him, seem strong, capable, and liked by everyone despite not trying to get people to like them. (Bro doesn't know he fits that description.) At first, he's kind of scared of the change. Changing groups, changing teams. He doesn't mind helping Jesse, Olivia, and Axel, but the three have very clear opinions on him.
Jesse is very friendly and seems to welcome Lukas in easily. Olivia is wary, but she's willing to let Lukas prove he's not like his friends. Axel, though, feels threatened by Lukas' presence, and he makes that very clear. To Axel, Lukas is the same as the other oceleots. He sees Lukas' genuine kindness as a facade, a way to make fun of Jesse, Olivia, and Axel, and to probably eventually betray them. (By this point, I'm assuming the Ocelots and Jesse group have known each other for a while, and the Ocelots have always bullied them because of how familiar they seem with each other.) Lukas knows his friends aren't the best, so he tries to be lenient with Axel, and show him that he's not trying to bully or trick them. But Axel doesn't want to accept that Lukas can be good.
When people - or people's friends - have been beating down on you for a while, it's tough to trust them. Lukas feels like he's failed at trying to be friends with Jesse group, so he tries to leave. I think that maybe it was around here he was thinking about if he'd been too complacent with his friends. Letting them bully people. Not really thinking for himself or sticking up for anyone, really. And he feels ashamed, and angry at himself, and Axel. (Lukas is only 18, i think, so he's still a teenager. His decison making brain part is nottt done yet guys.)
He has trouble sleeping that night because of it, also because there's a command block wither flying around somewhere wrecking the world, and Petra is left back at the convention (?) With it. Lukas seems like the type of guy to blame himself for Petra being left behind. I think he was probably thinking to himself the whole time that if he was strong enough, Petra would be safe. That it was his fault she was in danger. He probably doubted his abilities a lot too, thinking things like, "If Petra was here she would've helped Jesse solve this faster," "If Petra was here she could've easily found a different route," basically just him thinking Petra is more useful.
If you look at it from Lukas point of view, the whole journey seems very easy to Jesse. Jesse picks up fighting easily despite not having much training or experience. Jesse brings the Order of the Stone together. (I think the conflict over Lukas holding the Order of the Stone tracker was partially due to Lukas being jealous of Jesse, feeling useless and wanting to help. Even if he's jealous, Lukas had grown to admire Jesse and wants them to trust him.) Jesse seems to be the designated leader. With the Ocelots, it might’ve appeared to people that Lukas was the leader, but that was not true at all. It seems like Lukas had mostly always been a pushover, and him standing up for people and himself was something new.
At the beginning of the game, when Lukas wishes the Jesse trio luck, the Ocelots look extremely annoyed with him. (Especially bitchass Aiden he needs to trim those eyebrows.) Lukas arc in the first season seems to be him finding himself and gaining confidence similar to the Jesse group's overall arc because the Ocelots have been stamping all over him and pressuring him into going along with things.
But why?
Why does Lukas let them do those things?
He hates conflict.
He hates making people angry. Even if Jesse takes the route that makes his life a living hell , the worst he does is stomp off angrily and immediately forgive jesse in season 2. He's way too forgiving, and that's why it takes so long for him to go against Aiden, who is the actual leader of the Ocelots.
While Lukas is a pushover, Gill is much worse. He easily lets Aiden take control of the situation and is afraid of him. Aiden seems prone to lashing out when people don't act like how he wants them to, very likely verbally attacking Lukas and Gill when they "step out of line." It doesn't seem like he has gotten physical yet, but Gill was likely afraid of that even possibly happening, so he just let Aiden push him around.
When Aiden betrays Lukas, it would be wrong to say that Lukas didn't see it coming. Selfishly, in his opinion, he wanted to give him just one more chance. One more chance to show that he could change. But then, Aiden forms the Blaze Rods. They ditch him. After they've been friends for so long, Lukas is clueless about what he wants to do. He's angry, frustrated, and cries. For a while, he's aimless, unsure of what to do. His old "friends" are gone, so he doesn't have them to go back to. But Jesse, Olivia, and Axel are there. He considers going to Beacontown, saying hi. But what then?
It's not like he's part of their group.
They're heroes. He doesn't belong with them.
With all this free time on his hands, he decides to write. He has no one to talk to, so where else will he put what he thinks? Lukas had been putting off interacting with Jesse in a non small talk way until he rescued Jesse from the giant ass statue thing. He was too afraid to hear the possibility that Jesse might not want to be friends with him. He hates being alone for so long (Radar is there too but he probably feels mostly isolated) But, in season 2, Jesse welcomes him back, and Lukas finally earns a place somewhere, a place he made on his own.
(Sorry guys I really needed to talk about this somewhere)
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faksyan · 11 months ago
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Huey Emmerich, mgs v cast & hypocrisy, a character analysis
Prefacing this with the fact that this is the morally gray franchise with the morally gray characters and I love how it portrays Huey Emmerich precisely for him being Like That. I think he is one of the most nuanced and well-written mgs characters and I'm pretty sure like half of it wasn't on purpose. He is the guy everyone hates for killing his wife (understandabe reason), trying to make one of his kid pilot a giant robot and almost drowning another in a pool (also understandable reason), and, most of all, for being a traitor. And with such a list, feels a bit weird that the accent often falls on that last part, doesn't it. Which is exactly how the narrative wants you to feel about his betrayal, on a surface level.
Every character essential to the Phantom Pain plot gets their "please feel bad for them, sympathize with them" moment, no matter how horrible a person they are. We get multiple monologs from Kaz, we get the 'I was the same way once' interrogation room and the ending of the Truth with Ocelot, we get Paz tapes and 'you're all diamonds' with Venom, we get Code Talker, Quiet, Eli (if they actually finished mission 51), even Skull Face, somewhat (don't even make me start on that guy. how is he less hated than Huey). The point is, the game is trying to make you feel bad for people who murder, torture, and whatever else, and parts of it are working, because it's fiction, and humans and morality are complicated and layered things! But what does Huey get? Torture sessions and tantrums that are framed as pathetic and ridiculous, even when what he is saying makes sense. Because yeah, there's some of that there. It's just that everyone else in the room deliberately doesn't acknowledge it.
When Venom just finds him, the first thing Huey says is that what happened to MSF was Snake's fault. The same during his exile - that there wouldn't have been an inspection, if there weren't a nuke to begin with. and it's like. he's not wrong. Having their own nukes as an independent military organization was a risk Snake and Kaz didn't just take blindly, they knew what could have happened. It was a gamble, and it didn't work out. If it did, it would've been their achievement. It didn't, so it's all Huey's fault, even though literally anyone could've been in his place. XOF weren't even the first to attempt to attack them, Zero was, Paz just didn't succeed. And if Skull Face hadn't either, someone else would have, the attention of the entire world was on them. It wasn't about betrayal, it was Snake and Kaz being drunk on success and biting off more than they could chew. Yes, Huey is a bastard and a traitor, but are we really going to blame all of this on him?
The answer is yes. And the reason is that they need someone to blame that's not them. The whole big theme of Phantom Pain is that Ocelot, Venom and Kaz have to do their best to keep up appearances, for the sake of Big Boss and his reputation. He is a legend, he is above everyone else, and he can do no wrong. Except after the fall of MSF everyone thinks that he can, Ocelot says as much in the briefing tapes. And they can't have that. So they blame it all on Huey. (<- all of this is a dictatorship allegory and critique of governments and military systems btw. 1984 or whatever I haven't read it. yay symbolism.) And blaming Huey is easy.
Huey is not a fighter. His father was a scientist who worked on the Manhattan Project. He was born on the same day as the Hiroshima bombing, his disability was (presumably) caused by his father's exposure to radiation. It's not that there was no choice involved in what he was going to do in life, but it was kind of inevitable that he would get involved with building nuclear weapons. And even when he says he is thinking about quitting upon being found by Snake in Peace Walker, it's Snake who convinces him not to, offering him to join MSF instead. In the PW tapes he also expresses that if it weren't for his disability, he would've been anywhere else, doing something different and living a "normal life".
He talks about the concept of nuclear terrorism there too, about nukes falling into hands of people without state who would be able to use them however they want, and I wonder if that was part of the reason for his betrayal. He didn't make the decision to bring nukes to base, he doesn't actually know these people. If maybe he thought it prevented a hypothetical nuclear catastrophe. Huey does say that he trusts Snake not to use them, that he values how honest Snake is, and is honest with him in return, even telling him things he's never told anyone before, like about his plagiarism of Granin's work. So what changed between then and the inspection, what was his motivation for betraying MSF, why was he approached about it of all people? Did he lie in the tapes, did he change his mind, did Skull Face offer him something that seemed more compelling, just threaten him? We never get to find out anything about it aside from every other character screaming that he's just a coward. No villain monolog, nothing.
Maybe it was about feeling important, like he is in charge, something that the hostility he has faced throughout his life didn't allow him. Huey is a sheep among wolves (wolf in sheep's clothing more like, but still). He does not fit in with the buff cool masculine soldiers, and even while working with Strangelove at NASA, he was regarded as obnoxious and spineless. It's not surprising he agreed to work for Coldman, since he, apparently, was the first person to actually recognize his skills. And even that later turns out to be a lie told to use him. Huey rarely if at all has been treated seriously, he is an outcast, even among people who share his ideas.
All he has is his brain and his knowledge, but it's never framed as much of an achievement (despite people exploiting it left and right), nor is him essentially being the nerd in a military setting ever really viewed as something dorky or endearing by the narrative like with Otacon, because the characters around him don't see him as such (as a result, so don't the players). On top of that, every other person uses his mobility aids to further degrade/harm/threaten him, even though he is already harmless when it comes to physical confrontation. In short, people he is surrounded with just enjoy the powerplay.
Right up until the point he actually does something that hurts them. And this is where my favorite part kicks in.
All three Diamond Dogs' higher-ups blame Huey for slightly different reasons, some maybe even believing that they are in the right and entitled to it (looking at you Kazuhira), but I am more than sure they know what it is that they're doing. And it's not like Kaz lacks self-awareness either, I don't think. Maybe it's denial that some of his actions led to the death of his friends, maybe blind belief in his own martyrdom and self-righteousness (sounds an awful lot like another character we know, huh), it still doesn't change much. How they all frame the story is the same. Huey's powerless and pathetic, but has ruined everything at the same time. And it doesn't really make sense, but everyone on the base agrees. It's the moment where individuals turn into a crowd that demands blood, but at least it's not their commanders it's directed at!
The Questioning Huey (6) tape is a good example of that. I especially like the bit where he starts talking about how DD is not actually a dog, because on a smaller scale, it shows how people on Mother Base just roll with things that are objectively false and turn on anyone who says otherwise. No, DD is our beloved mascot, and we are called dogs, he is just like us. And it's not like DD is just a wolf either, so neither of them are right here. But each of them thinks that they are.
That's why the amount of genuine Huey hate is a bit amusing to see, I guess. Because it's precisely the thing the game is trying to commentate on. None of these people are good. None of them have it figured out. The point is that it's just narrative bias that makes you belive that some are, if not good, at least better than others. In reality, it's never about morals or being correct, just perspective.
Huey himself, on the other hand, falls into another extreme - in his eyes, he's done nothing wrong. Because he can do no wrong, he's powerless, like everyone's alway told him, remember? He sees himself as the victim, because in a lot of cases, he is.
You can say that he is a lying traitor and that the truth serum didn't work on him because of some failsafe Skull Face thought of, but really, would he bother? He didn't even view Huey as anything but a traitor he despised. you know, the guy who was in charge of organizing the betraying part. the guy who put bombs in people and wanted to commit mass-murder on a scale no one has seen before. So the obvious and the most simple answer here is that Huey whole-heartedly, truly believes he hasn't done anything wrong. He thinks he doesn't possess the power to, that he isn't important enough. And it's drilled so deep into him he never acknowledges it's not really true. Even when he kills Strangelove, he still doesn't accept that it is his fault and his actions matter.
That's my favorite part about him, I think. How deep in denial he is about having an impact on the people around him, while also having a sort of god complex when it comes to his machines. How everyone around despises him for it, while being the ones who caused it and doing the exact same thing, refusing to get off the high horse. Metal gear is a messy franchise about messy people, but it's good exactly because it shows what has messed these people up so much. And more often than not, it's the system they're surrounded by, or that they created themselves in an attempt to escape the previous one. It's easy to point at Huey as just a bad person and only that, but I find the context of his whole life and the ways he's coping with it really compelling. There is a lot of complexity to it, and in the end of the day, they are all hypocrites.
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tumbledryerfilter · 1 month ago
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Hot take: I don't like Aiden.
Hotter take: I don't think Lukas would ever forgive Aiden after attempting to throw him and his friend off a floating island to their deaths.
Listennnnn, I don't like him mainly because of his actions in Skycity, he had no justifiable reason to completely destroy an entire city, the reason we do get is that he was jealous of Jesse and he only feels bad if Jesse helps him at the end.
His actions were completely his own for his own selfishness and jealously, it wasn't an accident like Ivor and Harper or to protect anyone like Isa. It was purely for his own self gain.
Also the fact that he tried to push his ex-friend into the void after the fact that Lukas can go out and risk his life to find him and the other Ocelot's is really messed up. Let Lukas be angry. No one deserves forgiveness, you can move on without needing to forgive.
If you like him because he's a villain, good on you. But I will never find him sympathetic just pathetic.
One thing I will say though is that he definitely had potential to be a great villain if given more screen time, his friendship with Lukas and it's downfall is fun to theorize about and he's very fun to hate.
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shounendyke · 1 month ago
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Im sooo violently curious what you have been cooking with all of this raiden and eva stuff on your side you have no idea. Gotta know your whole perspective/ramblings on this
omg ok ok so @magicdyke and i were talking a lot about the dynamics of eva, raiden, and sunny on this mission...
more under cut but essentially we were thinking about how metal gear's ever-present themes of family/parenthood and escaping cycles of violence/abuse would factor into eva and raiden's characters at this point in metal gear canon especially wrt sunny being a baby everyone kind of canonically projects their hopes and dreams on to ...
for raiden we were really thinking about how this mission takes place after raiden’s child is miscarried (as far as he knows, anyway), hes in an alcoholic downward spiral, and he and rose are on the outs/broken up. going into this mission, raiden has practically nothing and has ditched everything else to go save a random baby whose life is tied to his own right after the death of his own son. his son little john.. john can be shortened to jack..... you know.. raiden's scary child soldier Jack The Ripper name that he tries to ditch at the end of mgs2… little john would be all of raiden’s hopes for the future & with naming him little john he'd be partially “redeeming” himself/jack the ripper, partially saving his own child self, and partially making sure the cycle of violence ends with him. but little john is dead, and never got a chance to live, at least in raiden's eyes at this point, so raiden’s hope to heal himself and protect the future (specifically a future for himself, maybe even one where he could leave the battlefield) is dead before it ever got off the ground.
and if i was raiden i would lowkey kill myself!! but he cant cuz sunny’s life is tied to his via nanomachines. so i think in canon this quest to save sunny is partly him freeing himself from the responsibility of sunny’s life so he can continue on his downward spiral, part of it is saving olga’s kid cuz she helped him and its the right thing to do, and part of it is he’s transferring all his hopes for little john/a better future onto sunny. and that becomes the main motivation as the mission goes on at least in my head. like sunny and raiden have such a sweet relationship cuz no matter what anyone else says or thinks raiden is sunny’s hero! and always will be! he went in and saved her from the patriots and pulled her out of a life of being twisted and used as a weapon. he did for her what no one did for him, and so no matter what he saved her and she loves him for that. and she saved him too because he probably wouldve kept spiraling if he didnt rediscover his purpose on this mission. downward spiral into saving this kid as a last ditch effort to tie up all lose ends before killing himself and then during the mission he realizes "Hey this is something i can do to fix the world just a little bit." and then he experiences major cyborg trauma and takes a bit before circling back to that during revengeance
the support network of eva actually looking out for raiden and committing to this mission and being upfront is also really key here imo. no one is manipulating raiden, for once, and no one is asking him to do things he doesnt want to. everyone is on the same page and its a mission raiden can take pride in. he's not a tool during this mission (at least not by the end, maybe he views himself as one at the start). even snake was manipulating and lying to raiden during mgs2. raiden just needs an upfront, no ulterior motive mission w people who care if he lives or dies that also saves a child from being a tool of war & spits in the face of the patriots as an added bonus.
and with eva on this mission too … she's been thrown under the bus by everyone shes worked for even though she was taken by the philosophers as a kid to literally Be Their Spy(like raiden taken by solidus and like sunny and most key LIKE OCELOT taken by the patriots). she gave her everything for the philosophers/patriots like she literally gave her body for both those organizations time and time again. she gave birth to liquid & solid snake and viewed them as her own children. she's a mother without children, taking in war orphans and working to stop the patriots. so here comes pathetic raiden who desperately needs guidance and help. AND he wants to go save a baby from the patriots?? revenge + breaking her own cycle of being taken and turned into a tool + she can play the roles of mentor and mother that she was denied time & time again. and then in exchange for this mission she has raiden go steal back bb’s body from the patriots. it sounds like eva is finally having her day...
sorry this is so long but we had a lot of thoughts on this mission yesterday and i even have some extra on how i think EE could fit in in an au.... i got rly excited
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dizzyhslightlyvoided · 2 months ago
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If I was writing a Metal Gear Rising sequel, I'd do exactly the same thing Metal Gear Solid 2 did with MGS1, but with Metal Gear Rising 1 and MGS2 itself. The prologue-chapter has Raiden investigating "a new type of Metal Gear" ("We need to find out whether it's the kind that's equipped with nukes, or if it's like Excelsus and it's only called 'Metal Gear' as a marketing gimmick!"), he starts out equipped with just a blue sword that only does nonlethal damage, and it ends with him seemingly dying due to the baddies pulling an outside-context problem on him; after that, the protagonist is a new character, a woman with the codename "Vapor Snake" who's some new variety of cyborg ninja.
Like I'd be ridiculously obvious about how it's doing the MGS2 thing, there'd be all kinds of references, i.e. Vapor Snake's onboard AI assistant has an avatar which looks and sounds like Roy Campbell in Playstation 2 graphics and namedrops the "in part your own creation, cobbled together from expectations and experience" bit, and Snake replies with a comment about having "completed three hundred missions in VR" as the reason why she'd been thinking about Campbell. GW is back and positively identifies itself to Raiden by saying "Turn the game console off right now" and "I need scissors! 61!" One of the main NPCs would be the ghost of Monsoon possessing one of his spare cyborg-bodies in a way that references Liquid Ocelot; he refuses to "talk about memes" when prompted because everyone thinks he's referring to funny internet pictures instead of meme theory. The main villains set up Vapor Snake with a homoerotic nemesis in the form of a cyborg samurai a la Jetstream Sam. Nanomachines do even more ridiculous bullshit.
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roseverdict · 2 months ago
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new dr. doofenshmirtz headcanon: his posture is Like That because he got top surgery done back in drusselstein when he was a teenager, but it was shortly before he emigrated to the usa because he needed his papers (corrected by mama ocelot to the correct gender) to match his presentation (and puberty had gotten to his chest by that point in his life). the ocelots weren't able to go with him and his birth parents were his birth parents, so he was on the boat and functionally alone far sooner post-op than he probably should've been. while his scars did eventually heal up as healthy as could be expected, the fact still remained that he spent a not-insignificant amount of time with newly-formed scar tissue making him hunch over, and now he just stands like that because he's used to it
this post brought to you by wahoo yay yippee my chest is flat but also this is a VERY weird sensation whenever i try to stand up straight
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ocielot · 2 months ago
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my own opinions on taylor swift are top secret but u guys need to know that i am not calling ocelot a swiftie as a compliment to her or him. he’s a blond fake southern nepo-baby who goes bonkerballs insane over a completely mid dude. it’s self recognition thru the other.
edit: ok actually. changing my url after 1 day to be more marketable because i didn’t want people to be offput by swiftie-ism. swiftieocelot -> ocielot
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