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Episode 71 Transcript: This Episode is the Opposite of Scoobynatural

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello! My name is Grey.

C: And my name is Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast where I, someone who has seen this show several times...

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian! For today’s episode, we will be discussing Season 4, Episode 11: "Family Remains," written by Jeremy Carver, [C laughs] directed by Phil Sgriccia.

C: Jeremy Carver will just have Sam say fucking anything for Dean character development. [G laughing]

G: No, for fucking real. This is so- The thing is, you messaged me about this episode way before I watched it. So you watched it before me.

C: Yeah yeah yeah.

G: And I will read the messages that you did send me. “This episode is soo corny. You already did ‘The Benders’! You can be done now.” And then you replied after like, a couple of minutes, “I feel mixed to negative about SPN so much it's unreal.” And then in a bit, you reply again, “Actually, it's okay.” And then you go, [laughs] “I'm back to mixed to negative.” Which, this did, in fact, color my watching of this episode.

C: Oh, apologies.

G: Because I didn't know what this episode was going to be about-

C: Oh no! You didn't know the twist? Fuck!

G: No, I had absolutely no recollection.

C: I knew the twist before I came in!

G: I don't know anything about this episode! Nothing! Nothing. So like, when you were like, "You already did 'The Benders,'" I was like, "Oh, it's gonna be a human being."

C: Oh no, I spoiled it all.

G: But the funny thing is, the entire time, like, I already knew that, like, there was a girl who killed a guy at the beginning of the episode. And I was like, "Yeah, I mean, yeah." But for some reason I was still thinking, "Maybe the family is like, a cannibal family." [both laugh] Like, I was still in the- Because they were like, you know, they were obviously like, building up that they have secrets or whatever; they're going through some shit-

C: Right, you thought the secret was that they cannibalized? That's so funny.

G: Yeah, that maybe the secret is that they are evil, evil, you know, mass murderers!

C: True.

G: And I was looking forward to that. And then twist was "there is a girl in there," and it's like, "Ah, okay, fine, whatevs."

C: Sorry. Sowwy.

G: But honestly, you know, it's okay. Honestly, I do not agree with you on this episode.

C: You liked it?

G: I think it was extremely entertaining. Whether I like it or not is up for debate.

C: There was a twist that she had a secret twin. [G laughing]

G: I- [both laughing] it was the stupidest fucking thing. I don't know why they did it, and then they never acknowledged it before or after. Wow! They're crazy.

But I- [laughs] I thought it was entertaining. Which is different from being good.

C: There was a twist that she had a secret twin. It opened with the guy being like, "Oh my god! It's impossible! How are you here?" but he was secretly feeding her the whole time! [both laughing] What- why was it impossible that she was there?

G: No, I really liked that it was like, we were looking into the psyche of like, another person, you know? There was another family here, and we do get insight on who they are and the things that they've been through, and how this is going to affect them. Because, like, one of my issues with Supernatural is, they keep doing this thing where a person learns about bullshit bullshit whatever, goes through a very traumatic experience, and they come out of it like, [valley girl] "Oh my god, thank you so much! Like, I really wanna kith you right now." You know? But this episode-

C: It's a slight improvement on that-

G: It is!

C: But also, it does imply that like, her brother getting murdered is what saved her marriage, so. [G laughing]

G: No, but like, you know what I mean. It has this impact of like, "This will affect them."

C: Yeah, that part is true.

G: And I like that. I really like that.

Although I would say, everything else about this episode is so fucking goofy! I mean, I'll bring up the shit when we get to it, so that I don't just ramble for the entire beginning-

C: Did he teach her how to spell while she was living in the walls?

G: I know! [laughing]

C: Like, she was able to spell "too late" out in blood-

G: She spelled "go"!

C: - even though, according to Sam, she's "barely human," or whatever the fuck. [G laughing]

G: That's what- [both laughing] we'll get it. I mean, this episode is entertaining. I would say that it's not boring. Which is, you know, there are episodes of Supernatural that are so, so humdrum-

C: It's not boring because I'm just flummoxed by [both laughing] how any of this can be true.

G: I mean, yes, and also like, Sam's like, reaction to the whole thing, Dean's reaction to the whole thing... [both laughing] You know what? Jeremy Carver, as we've said before, is good at comedy. He writes funny episodes.

C: And he tried to be serious-

G: He tried to be serious-

C: And instead was so unserious. [G laughs]

G: I think that's the best way to describe this episode. It is so unserious.

C: It is not the jonker from the movie the jokner. [G laughs]

G: It is unserious, and also like, it is so funny when you think about literally anything. And like, funny in a "What the fuck?!" kind of way, [C laughs] you know?

C: Yeah.

G: Because many times in this episode, I was like, "What??" [C laughs] And, I mean it sure is, you know. At least I was thinking. [C laughs] 'Cause usually, when I watch an episode of Supernatural-

C: It was intellectually stimulating.

G: It was. Because it was so funny. But usually, when I watch an episode of Supernatural, when I watch anything, really, I'm also doing something else. Like, I'm knitting, I'm crocheting, I keep my hands occupied. It's just how I watch things. But this episode, I really was watching it! Like, I put down my knitting to watch this episode [C laughs] because I thought it was that entertaining. So that's something to say about it.

C: I guess it is.

G: Yeah. So, well, going in, what did you learn about it? And also, I'm very curious as to how you knew the twist.

C: I think I just saw a post once that was like, it was like, a list of like, the scariest episodes of Supernatural, or someone asking like, "What do you think is the scariest episode of Supernatural?"

G: [laughing] They said this?

C: And someone I followed mentioned "Family Remains,"- or the episode said "Family Remains," and the person in the tags was like, "Was that the one where Sam and Dean spent so long trying to convince the family that ghosts were real, but it turned out to be children living in the walls?" [G laughing] So I knew it was humans living in the walls.

G: This is the opposite of "Scoobynatural." Like, here, they were like, "They're ghosts! They're ghosts!" And it was literally a human being. And in "Scoobynatural," they were like, gaslighting the Scooby gang. [laughing] Like, "It wasn't a ghost. You guys are craazy." [both laughing] Which is, honestly, such an odd thing to do in a fucking- I don't know. We'll get to "Scoobynatural" when we get to it.

C: Was it like, "We're gonna preserve the innocence of these children-"

G: Yes!

C: "- but they weren't children when I, Dean Winchester, was hitting on one of them earlier."

G: It was- it was literally like, "Oh, they're so distraught over having ghosts." Look! They knew they were ghosts. Like, the Scooby gang saw the ghost, and totally believed that there were ghosts. Then, Sam and Dean orchestrated this thing where it's like, "Oh, but like, it's not actually a ghost! It was an apparition!"

C: "It was Cas under a sheet!"

G: "It was a human being who was haunting you all and trying to get rid of you! Ghosts aren't real! [C laughs] You guys never even believed it! Like, you guys were just thinking that you believed it." It was a wild thing to put on.

C: That's very different from their usual thing. [G laughs] Why?

G: No, 'cause like, Dean wanted to preserve, you know, their- I don't know what the word is. I don't know words in English. You know, they were happy people.

C: Dean is an AO3 user for real. [G laughs] He does care about fictional characters more than real people.

G: He do. He fucking does. Well, anyway, is that all you knew about this episode?

C: Yeah, yeah. But I could guess, like, the rest of the twist. As soon as the housekeeper said that the daughter killed herself.

G: Well, I mean, the fact that it was her daughter, I didn't see that coming. I thought it was still her.

C: Oh, but like, I guess because I knew it was a human, so like, she was not old enough to be her.

G: Yeah, but like, you know. They did bring that up, and I was like, "I don't know. Maybe she has a banger skincare routine." [C laughs] Like, who fucking knows.

C: Maybe the all rats-

G: Maybe she's the opposite of Peter Capaldi! [both laughing]

C: Okay, the thing about that episode that haunts me is that I said that he was 58, but he was 55 or 56, and I knew that, and I said that in the post, so I don't know why I messed up on the age. Like, I'm a fucking fake fan, and everyone should laugh at me and throw tomatoes at me forever.

G: Yeah, exactly. I love how we're talking in this episode like everyone who listens to this episode are also listen to that episode.

C: Of course they did! What do you mean?

G: And you know, it's probably true. It's probably true. Like, why are you listening to an own episode of a Supernatural podcast for the episode "Family Remains" [both laughing] if you're not a consistent listener? But yeah.

God, we should start. We've been talking for so long.

C: Sure.

G: We start off with a "Road So Far" where they show Cas-

C: And for what?

G: And I did get my hopes up a little bit. I was like, "He's here. Is he gonna be here? Maybe!"

C: Nope.

G: No, he's not. It's not happening. [C laughs]

C: It's so joever.

G: What else did they show? It was Dean being like, [mocking, teary] "I tortured people. Put them in the rack." You know, stuff like that.

C: They really AMV-edited this one. [G laughs] Like, there's a part at the end of the last- or an episode before that- where Dean's like, "They like, carved and tore like, every part of me." But it's like he says, "they carved," and then it flashes to him in Hell, like, in pain, and then he goes "and tore," and then it flashes to another- the same clip of him in Hell but slightly zoomed in. [G laughs]

G: Exactly. They knew what they were doing. I wish, you know, everyone else who made this episode also felt the same way [C laughs], but it's okay. We should be less mean to the writers because they are having a strike, and I want to be clear that [laughing] I do support them. I just also am very much a hater.

C: Yeah, I support the strike. But I do think an AI could write a better episode of Supernatural than this.

G: [laughing] No! Do not say that! Do not say that.

C: Okay, yeah, they probably couldn't. Because they can only work off of previous data, and the previous data is also from the Supernatural writers, so it's shit data.

G: Yeah. And you know what? I don't think Supernatural can be what it is if it does not have Sera Gamble's twisted psyche [both laughing] embedded all over the first few seasons, you know? C: It's true. It's true. She did write some very important episodes

G: So yeah. Go writers, go actors.

C: I forgot that the Supernatural writers are still like, writers.

G: [laughing] You thought once Supernatural was over-

C: I just sort of assume that like, they took them out back and shot them like a lame horse. [G laughs] But yeah, I guess Sera Gamble did "You," which everyone says is like, good?

G: Yeah, I'm not gonna watch it, though. I'm so sorry.

C: Yeah, I'm not gonna watch it.

G: I watched Trixie and Katya's episode on it, on like, the last season of it. And apparently, this guy was like, being blackmailed for being a murderer by another murderer. And I was like, "Yeah, that's fun."

C: Oh, yeah, I heard that like, yeah, the most recent girl was like, a twisted cycle path, or whatever.

G: [laughs] Yeah. Hashtag cyclepathy.

G: Well, we start off the episode in a good old- well, this house is a house in the country, like, in the middle of a farm. It's a very pretty house. I would say that. It's big, spacious, etc.

C: It's nice. Though it's sort of grimy right now.

G: I didn't notice that, I don't think. I was still at my knitting era while I was watching this.

C: Maybe it was the lighting that made it seem like it was grimy?

G: Yeah. I mean, the thing about me is it takes me maybe 10 minutes into watching a Supernatural episode before I realize that I probably need to put my brightness to the max so that I can see anything. So like, for the first 10 minutes, I'm just like, "What's happening? What's happening?" [both laugh] And then I realize that like, "Oh, okay, like, I can actually control the brightness so I can figure out what is happening."

C: Yeah. It's so horrible. How dim every Supernatural episode is. I mean, it's like, a nice look. Like, I know I'm gonna miss it once they get fully into sitcom lighting. But right now, it just hurts my eyes so much to switch to my notes-taking Google Doc, [G laughs] which is like, all white, like, after I have cranked the brightness to the max in order to see what the fuck those men in jeans are doing.

G: Well, we start off in said house, and there is a guy there.

C: Sure is.

G: And he is watching, like, a show on the television. And then suddenly, power goes out.

C: Right, okay, so does she have control of the power, or does it just happen coincidentally?

G: I think she has control over the power. Maybe this is like, a Parasite situation.

C: Right, right, yeah. With the the flickering the lights Morse code thing.

G: Yeah. He tries to go out, but the door is locked. And then suddenly, this lady who looks like a ghost comes out, and then he goes, "You? [both] It's impossible!" [both laughing]

C: Why is it impossible?! He literally has been feeding her the whole time! What is he talking about?

G: It's wild shit. Anyway, he just goes like, "Stay away from me! Blah blah blah blah!" And then the girl, you know, attacks. And that's the end of our teaser.

C: Blood splashes on the "Home, Sweet Home" cross-stitch-

G: Hell yeah.

C: - is like, how they showed that he died. Which is fun, but also Corny.

C: We're in the Impala, and like, they're parked out, like, near some trees, and Sam's sleeping in the back seat. He's soo cute. And Dean's looking through newspapers and shit. And Sam's like, "Oh my god! Why are you looking for a job so much? Like, we've been working nonstop for a month. We just finished a job two hours ago. This sucks." And Dean's like, "No, I will sleep when I'm dead. I'm fine. I'm good." And Sam tells him that he can't run for forever. And Dean's like, [belligerent] "Oh, yeah? Well, what am I even running from?" [G laughs] And Sam says, "From what you told me." Like, i.e. the torturing souls in Hell thing. And then he goes, "Are we pretending that never happened?" And Dean pretends that it never happened by just talking about the case that we saw in the teaser. Sam's like, "Okay, that does sound like a ghost." And Dean's like, "Uh-huh. So we should check it out." And Sam does like, a fun thing where he like, sighs, and then he just like, fully flops back down in the backseat. Like, you just see his head go down. Love that.

G: I think he's so real for that. My commute to school is insane. And every time I arrive-

C: It's like 4 hours, right?

G: Well, it's 4 hours total. It's 2 hours away and 2 hours from.

C: That's still disgusting.

G: But every time I arrive on campus, I go - if I don't have classes immediately - I go straight to the library, and there's like, a couch situation in the sixth floor, and I just plop my head down. And seeing Sam do this, I was like, "I understand being on the road. [C laughing] Like, I get it." You know, 2 hours, a month. It's the same thing.

C: Yeah. [G laughs] True.

G: It literally is.

C: It is.

G: Also the case is in Nebraska.

C: Yes, which is so Ethel Cain of them.

G: What can you tell me about Nebraska? You know, the only thing I know about that place is-

C: It's near Kansas?

G: [Southern? accent] "Something about that cool Nebraska guy."

C: What?? [laughing]

G: "Something, baby." [laughing]

C: What??

G: I'm singing a song! Fuck off.

C: What is the song? [G laughing]

G: It's a Lady Gaga song. [typing] "Lady Gaga Nebraska song." It's called "You and I."

C: Huh.

G: It's like, I think her like, it's her country hit or whatever. And it's like, "Baby, like, we're drinking whiskey" and something about "you and I." And "you're a cool Nebraska guy." [C laughs] So yeah.

C: Wh- Yeah.

G: Why do I know this? What do you mean "why?"

C: I don't- No, no, I mean, that makes sense. Like, Lady Gaga's a famous musical artist.

G: Yeah. God.

C: I really don't know anything about Nebraska. Ethel Cain has a song called "A House in Nebraska."

G: Slay!

C: Available on all streaming platforms. But that's about all I know. And that it's close to Kansas, like, it's bordering Kansas.

G: Hm. Well, what are they gonna plant there? Like, what is Nebraska known for, agriculturally?

C: I don't actually know. Let's see. [typing] "Nebraska agriculture"...

G: "What is the major agriculture in Nebraska?" Corn! It's a corn place

C: I feel like everywhere that's an agriculture place is a corn place-

G: No.

C: - because of the US, like, subsidy whatever things regarding corn.

G: Oh, yeah. That's why corn syrup, you have in everything, yeah.

C: Yeah, there's high fructose corn syrup. There's corn in like, all animal feeds, even though, like, corn in cow feeds-

G: Yeah, is not good.

C: - causes them to form methane and fucks up the air, yeah.

G: Yeah. I mean, you have potatoes in Idaho. I know that.

C: That's true. Good point.

G: And then you have peaches in Georgia.

C: That's true.

G: I think you have weed in Colorado. [laughing] I don't know if that's the major culture in there.

C: I don't think it's the major. But yeah, there's weed in Colorado, and in California-

G: Yeah. That's true.

C: And probably elsewhere nowadays.

G: Mm-hm. Who is- is this from Supernatural? There's a guy who was like, growing weed in his bathtub? And then he goes, "That's not weed!" [G laughs] It was from here, right?

C: Yes! It was the fucking- it was the guy they fucking murdered [both laughing] in "Dream a Little Dream of Me," right?

G: [laughing] Yeah. [both laughing] That is still the funniest episode of this show. They literally just killed a guy [both laughing] after an entire season of "We shan't kill people, Sam. It's bad!" And then they just kill a guy.

C: Yeah. They don't even talk about it afterwards. [G laughing]

G: I love Supernatural.

C: Like, it's just business as usual.

G: Yeah.

C: They sent his abusive dad to beat him to death- [G laughing]

G: And then he died in his sleep! [laughs] Crazy.

C: God. [laughs] What the hell? Anyway, Supernatural is a show.

G: It truly is.

G: Well, you know, Sam and Dean drive through the country. And they see the house, and there's like, a thing where there's a sign that's like, "House For Sale" and I guess there was supposed to be like, a sign over it that says, "Sold." But the sign fell down so they didn't know that it was already sold.

C: Yup.

G: So they go to the farm. And there's this very long sequence- Did you notice this? Like, they just climb up the stairs and open the door.

C: Yes! [laughing] And Sam- the way Sam climbs the fucking stairs. [G laughing] I'm obsessed with him.

G: I am obsessed with him, that's true.

C: So like, the stairs, there's steps, but then there's like, you know, the flat area in between like, sequences of steps. And like, Sam switches between walking like a totally normal person [G laughs] and fucking like, jog-hopping up the stairs. Like, he has, like- you know the jogging thing where you have your hands in fists and like, you're moving your arms? Like, he fucking does that for like, sets of five steps.

G: I love him. Also, it's just a weird thing, because it was completely silent. Nothing was happening aside from, you know, we're watching them walk up the stairs. And then-

C: I think they just did that to make fun of Jared Padalecki for how he climbed stairs. [G laughing]

G: They open the door, like, Dean picks the lock or whatever. And the whole time, I was thinking, "Oh, is this one of those episodes where they're so obviously, like, running out of material [C laughs] and like, there's just so much time that they need to occupy or whatever?" And I was ready for that kind of episode.

C: But no.

G: But it's not that kind of episode. This episode is full.

C: In fact, they cut out the whole part where they talk about how the diary reveals that it was a twin so that they could show Sam climbing the stairs. [G laughs]

G: They literally cut out any mention of the twin brother other than his death [both laughing] in order to make room for this climbing up the stairs shot. And I respect that. You know, they know their priorities.

C: They were right to do it.

G: Yeah. Dean enters the house, make some quip about it's a 3 bathroom, 1 bath home, but, like, there's one homicide. "I guess this place is gonna sell really well." And then they start walking around. This episode does start very slowly. Like, it's just a house, and they're just walking around. And he's opening cabinets. They're like- they're just like, knocking at the walls, which I respect. And every couple of shots is interspersed with a shot of like, somebody looking at them from inside the wall.

C: Yeah, it's like, a POV thing where they're looking through the slats.

G: And it did make me think of- what's that? The Jo episode? "No Exit"?

C: "No Exit," yeah.

G: Yeah. Which, that was actually a ghost. And they fucking imprisoned him there with concrete, which is, you know. Always a fun idea to do.

C: Yeah.

G: But it has that vibe of like, "Oh, there's somebody looking at you through the walls." And then Dean finally, like, knocks the wall and notices that it's a different kind of knock. And he realizes that it's wood instead of, you know, concrete. Sam says that it's probably a dumbwaiter, which is, you know, old houses have them? A dumbwaiter is like an elevator for food, right?

C: Yeah.

G: Yeah. Is that common? Like, have you ever been in a house-

C: No, I've never been in a house with a dumbwaiter.

G: Yeah, okay. It is a very fascinating word. Dumbwaiter.

C: I guess because it's like, a waiter that brings you food except it's a machine, so it's stupid. That's fun.

G: Yeah, but like, it's so mean! Don't be mean! [C laughing] Don't be mean! That's all I have to say about it.

C: I understand.

G: Did you miss the little bit where Dean goes like, "Ugh. Know-it-all."

C: Yeah. And Sam goes, "What did you say?"

G: And then Dean's like, "What?" [laughs] I respect it.

C: "Huh? What? No? That must've been the ghost, Sam!"

G: "I think there's a ghost here-"

C: "You're craaazy." [laughs]

G: "I think it's a ghost here telling you that you're a fucking know-it-all. I mean, it's just what I heard." [both laugh] He is so funny. He's so funny for this.

C: He's not funny. But-

G: I love it when siblings are annoying to each other.

C: That's true. But it doesn't make them funny. It makes them siblings.

G: They go in, and, well, there's nothing. I mean, we learned later that this place was completely fucking- it was horrible in here, like, when the guy died. Like, the way it was described is "He was everywhere." So the fact that this space is spectacular is like, oh, well, you know.

C: Good realty company.

G: Yeah. And they open a closet. There's a doll head in there.

C: Just like in Yellowjackets.

G: Well, maybe.

C: The eyes are removed.

G: The eyes are removed? I didn't know notice that.

C: Or at least it looked like it. Or the lighting was so bad that just the eyes looked like they had been removed.

G: Well, this exploration is cut off by a moving truck and a car coming in. They realize that the place is, in fact, bought by someone already. And now they're here.

C: So we cut to, you know, the family, and they're such a like, capital letters Normal American Family it like, made me physically ill to look at them. You know, like, there's a son, Danny, and his dog, and they're both rambunctious or whatever. And then there's like, the parents. And then there's like, a daughter, and she's on they phone. We get a conversation where it is made clear that there is no cell signal out here. Which is-

G: It never comes up ever again.

C: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just helpful to know. Because it's like, as soon as you know it's like, a real person, like, I feel like a hashtag #NormalAmericanFamily would call the cops, so like, I guess it's like a "Well, they can't call the cops because there's no cell signal."

G: Yeah, but like, I think they can. [both laugh] I don't know.

C: Yeah.

G: There was cable. The guy jad cable. So.

C: That's true. Oh, and also, there's an uncle, the mom's brother. We learn things about their lives. They moved here from far away. We find out later they moved here from 400 miles away. Like, you are ruining your teenage daughter's life if you're moving away from all of her friends and now she can't even talk to them anymore.

G: That's true. [typing] "400 miles to kilometers," because I am, in fact, not American. 643 kilometers. I respect that. [C laughs] Aren't the like, "500 Miles" guys, like, Scottish or something? Do they also use miles-

C: Oh, The Proclaimers?

G: Yeah. Do they use miles there?

C: I think they also use miles in like- because I know they do miles per hour, at least, for driving speeds in-

G: The UK.

C: The UK. And I learned that from Good Omens. So yeah, maybe they do miles in general as well?

G: Well, I mean, it's a British, you know, imperial unit. I don't think they use it anymore. But maybe they did in the past.

C: Hm, yeah. Purgaps.

G: I have no idea. I have no idea what I'm fucking talking about. Slaycation! [G laughing]

C: Slaycation!

G: [laughing] What is happening?

C: - Which is what this family is embarking on.

G: Yeah, they're going to a slaycation.

C: So-

G: Wait. This house is a 3 bedroom. Where the fuck is the uncle sleeping?

C: Good question! [laughs]

G: 'Cause, like, the kids are in separate rooms, and I assume the couple is in one room.

C: Yeah.

G: Is the uncle just hogging the couch, like, "Yeah."

C: Maybe he's like, sleeping on the floor of the couples room. Who knows? [G laughs]

G: I respect that.

C: So, I don't know. They're just talking to each other, establishing a dynamic where it's the teenage daughter who's on they phone and the, like, uncle who's like, her friend, and like, a jokey guy. And then like, it ends on this shot where like, the husband, Brian, and the wife, Susan, are looking at the house, and he's like, hugging her from behind, and they're both looking up at the house. And like, I truly did want to throw up. Like, stop doing that shit. [G laughs]

G: What do you mean?

C: I just don't like this sort of pose. Like, you're not taking prom photos. [G laughing] Like, what are you doing with your life? [laughs]

Also, like, the women's outfits here are so 2000s. Like, the mom's, wearing like, a puffy jacket, but like, a puffy jacket vest, and the daughter's wearing like, basically like, a fucking Abercrombie jacket with like, a fur lining on the hood. Like, I remember my Abercrombie jacket was fur lining on the hood.

G: I also do fucking remember having an Abercrombie jacket with fur in the hood.

C: Yeah.

G: I fucking loved that thing.

C: Yeah, it was like, my go-to jacket-

G: It was also my go-to!

C: Even though Abercrombie is like, an awful company.

G: It was my go-to. We bought it at like, one of those like- what do they call it? It's like the store, but like, it's cheap. What's that called?

C: Wait, the name? I don't know.

G: It is the store. But like, it's cheap.

C: Factory store?

G: And like, you find it in like, gas stations and stuff. Yeah! It's a factory outlet, yeah. My sister had the blue one, and I had the red one! It was a wonderful, wonderful time.

C: Aww. I had a blue one, and then later, a gray one when I outgrew the blue one.

G: Yeah. I love jackets. They are my ride or die.

C: Yeah, agreed.

Abercrombie the general store was so horrible to be in because my sister liked getting clothes from there so like, we'd all have to go there, but like, they don't make clothes for people who are average weight, you know? Or above that? It's like, awful. Anyway.

G: Yeah. Well, you know, I- like, in American sizes, I am a medium to large, which means in Filipino size [laughs], I'm a XXL. Which, you know, makes life quite miserable. Yeah, 'cause Asian sizes are significantly smaller, I think. So like, shopping in like, a normal store that is like, not American sizes? Always been horrible.

C: Yeah.

C: But their reverie is broken by Sam and Dean like, [G laughs] running down the stairs, trying to leave.

G: I love it!

C: Yeah. Trying to sneak out or do something. And then, like, you know, the dad's like, "Hi. What?" And they pull out their fake code inspector badges, and go, "Hello! We're county code enforcement. And there's a fucking problem with the building. There's asbestos in the walls and a gas leak. So that means that no one is allowed to live here, and you all have to go stay at a motel. And if you don't, you are gonna get a fine or go to jail."

G: Boo.

C: And the family's all like, "Oh, I don't wanna. We just got here. Blah blah blah." Bro. It's fucking asbestos. Was asbestos not as big of a problem back then?

G: It's so funny- like, at one point, the wife goes like, "Asbestos? Meaning what?" [C laughs] I was like, "Meaning what?? What?? [laughing] Why are you asking this?" There's asbestos in the walls! [C laughs] I love it.

C: Are the health effects like, not immediate? Because I remember there was like, an episode of like, fucking House Hunters or Property Brothers or something on HGTV [G laughs] where, like, they had been in there for like, a while, and then they're like, "So, the inspection came back, and there's asbestos in the walls." [both laughing]

G: I mean, I think it's a little bit like mercury or like, lead or whatever-

C: Okay, it's like, a gradual poisoning.

G: I don't know. Actually, I don't know. What's the thing on the paint? That's lead, right?

C: Yeah, it's lead paint. And that like, fucks with kids a lot.

G: Yeah, mostly, yeah. Actually, I don't know. Let's not spread misinformation on our podcast Busty Asian Beauties.

C: True. About real things instead of Supernatural, yeah.

G: Yeah.

C: They are like, "Okay, fine. We'll stay in a motel for one night. But we aren't even gonna call anyone to remove the asbestos from the walls [G laughs] over the night."

G: Yeah, because, like, health inspectors are not allowed to like, touch up your house. This is like, a thing, because, like, it's- what do you call it?

C: Conflict of interest?

G: Conflict of interest. Yeah. Like, they're legally not allowed to do that. So like, they just did not call anyone. [both laugh] And I respect that! They were like, "We're gonna solve this problem by tomorrow. By tomorrow, I mean, we're gonna call someone tomorrow. RI-fucking-P." [C laughs]

C: Yeah. Yeah. And the daughter says some shit like, "Another motel? Awesome, dad. I hope this one has hooker sheets like the last one." What are Hooker sheets? What does she mean?

G: I don't know, I guess, like, if you're like, in a motel that's specifically like, a hookup motel, and it's designed in a tacky way-

C: Okay, Urban Dictionary says it's "a quilted polyester bed spread at low-budget hotels that may or may not ever get cleaned."

G: Ew!

C: Yeah. Anyway.

G: God. Best motel experience in Supernatural is still the one in "Provenance." I don't know why they did that, but I'm glad they did. It's always in my head and in my heart.

C: Yeah. Thanks, Phil, for that one.

G: Yeah. Our best friend Phil Sgriccia.

C: Though the best motel they've ever stayed in is still the "Yellow Fever" one where there's like, a door between the bedroom and the living room area. Like, what the hell? That's fancy.

G: Sam and Dean go to a woman's house, who, I guess, is the caretaker of this place, and she is also the one who found the guy when he died. Wait, I'm gonna burp. [burps] Okay.

C: Don't even cut it out. [G laughs] Do they still- in the more recent "Life in the World to Come"s, do they still keep in all the burps?

G: I think I have listened to one where somebody burped. I respect that.

C: Yeah, no. Earlier episodes, like, there's like, 3 burps per episode. They do not bother cutting that shit out.

G: I respect that.

C: Yeah.

G: So, you know, she says that it was a gruesome scene. She has been his house cleaner for a while, and Dean was like, "Oh, so do you know him at all?" And she goes, "Not really. He was very private. I think it's because his wife died in childbirth and his daughter hanged herself in the attic and stuff like that." 20 years ago, I think.

C: Yeah. And at this point, I wrote, "Okay, my theory is here that obviously, the daughter was pregnant at 20, maybe she was raped by her dad, and the creepy wall girl was her daughter."

G: How did you-?

C: So I called it five min into the episode, just so you know.

G: How did you-? How did you make that leap?

C: I just assumed that like- I don't know, like, it has to be like, bad or whatever.

G: [laughing] 'Cause they're in the country, and Supernatural.

C: Yeah, and also Supernatural like, loves like, just like, taking every single stereotype about the country and putting it in there. [G laughs]

G: Yeah. Yeah.

C: And also, okay, for some reason, I sort of thought that she'd given birth and then put the daughter in the wall herself as like a-

G: Oh, to hide it.

C: - "stay safe, stay away from like, yeah, the guy who raped me." So like, I guess that's why I thought that that was the situation.

G: It is wild to think that, like, if we are to assume that she killed herself, like, before the kids were grown, like, to a certain childhood. Like, this man like, raised these children.

C: Yeah, so.

G: How?!

C: He just like, threw food into the wall, I guess?

G: They were babies!

C: No, actually, yeah, they can't eat food.

G: They can't even drink water! [laughs] Like, you can't give water to a baby!

C: Yeah, was he going out to the stores and like, buying like, formula and mixing it and then like, tossing it on the ground for them to slurp? [G laughing] Like- What was the situation?

G: Ah! It was wild. Frankly- I don't know. We can be, you know, nitpicky about this episode, and we're never gonna get an answer, ever.

C: I mean, maybe she stayed around for like, the first few years of their life. But like, then [laughing] you would think that the diary would fucking mention that they were twins.

G: Yeah, like, I think we are to resume that she died like, immediately after birth or something. I don't fucking know.

C: Yeah, immediately after childbirth or something. Yeah, I feel like that the implication that I thought was like- Whatever. So yeah, like- They could not have stayed- They can't eat anything! [laughs]

G: Yeah! Anyway. she goes to get some pictures and hands it to Sam and Dean. You know, they keep the pictures. Sam asks why the daughter killed herself. She goes, "I don't know. But they were cremated." And also, Dean asks if she ever noticed anything about the house, like, "Oh, you know, like, are the lights going on and off?" like, blah blah blah. And the woman just goes like, "No, but there was one thing. Like, I heard rustling in the walls, like a rat." And they just went back to the house.

C: Back at the house, the moving truck and the family have returned because the uncle, Ted, is like, "Yeah, like, I'm a person who builds houses. That's my job. And I went in and I inspected, and there's no asbestos, and there's no gas leak, and those guys were total fakes."

G: How the hell did he do that? Like, did he buy like, materials that were like, asbestos detector?

C: How do you test if there's asbestos in the walls?

G: I think there's like, a tester.

C: Huh.

G: And then the gas leak is like CO something. CO meter or something? I don't know.

C: Yeah, perhaps.

G: Like, there's gotta be like, equipment that you need for sure. You can't just like, lick the wall [both laugh] and be like, "Okay, I licked the wall. It tastes like asbestos." You know?

C: Maybe he's the Tenth Doctor. Who knows?

G: Yeah. If he sat down and was like, "Oh, I started hallucinating after three hours. There's a gas leak here," like, yeah.

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: That's a pretty good way to detect gas leaks, I feel.

C: That's true! Everyone should do that in the future. [G laughs] Who needs home inspectors?

G: Yeah. [laughing] You know, there's like- you know Jenny Nicholson? I love her. She's a YouTuber that I love very much.

C: Did she do a thing where she was a Reylo?

G: I don't think she was a Reylo. I think she was specifically like, "Reylos are so fucking funny," like, you know.

C: Wait, who was the person who was a Reylo?

G: I don't know. I mean, she read like, a published book that was a Reylo fanfic originally.

C: Oh, the fucking Love Hypothesis? I can't go into Barnes and Noble's anymore; it's always there.

G: Not even that. Not even that. Not even that.

C: What, there's another one??

G: There's so many. There's so many. But like, she just made fun of it. I don't think she's a Reylo, but maybe she is. And you know what? [laughs] Star Wars made it happen.

C: I don't want to be flinging false accusations. Perhaps she isn't.

G: [laughs] Anyway, there's like, a whole deal where she reviewed a TV show that was like, a ghost hunting show. And basically, the format of the show is the family comes to them, and they're like, :Our house is haunted," and they start talking about why the house is haunted. And then the next segment is a house inspector going in and being like, "Yeah, you have a gas leak." [both laughing]

C: God, that's so funny. There's an episode of Monstrous Agonies that's also sort of the same thing. Like, it's a podcast that's like, a supernatural advice podcast [G laughs], and someone's like, "Oh my god, the house I'm in is haunted. Like, I've done everything. I've given it all the offerings that it's asked for, and it's still doing shit." And then, like, the like, host is like, "You have a fucking gas leak." [both laughing]

G: It was so funny because it's like, "Oh, like, sometimes, a door opens, and like, and then closes, and we don't know why." And then he just goes in there and goes like, "Yeah, this door is installed incorrectly, and it will open unprompted [C laughs] because the hinges are out of out of, you know, out of order." And it's like, "Cool! Great." And then after that, they bring in a psychic to be like, "Oh, I hear a spirit!" [both laughing]

C: So real!

G: Wild.

C: Also, I looked it up. I think it's Lindsey Ellis or Lindsey whatever who's the Reylo and Jenny Nicholson is friends with her, so that's how I got it mixed up.

C: Kate sees like, the creepy girl from earlier standing at the window, and she startles, but then she disappears. And the mom says something about how like, "It's gonna be great here, Kate, it really is." Which, you know, starts the thread where like, you don't know exactly what happened in this family's past, but they've come here to escape something. I think at this point, I thought that Kate was just like, bullied at her old school or something. But no, it's something else that happened.

And then we go inside the house to later in the night, and we start with the son, Danny. He's playing video games in the dark. And then the door-

G: He's playing on a DS! Which, you know, I love. Every time there's a DS in Supernatural, I feel extreme happiness and joy.

C: Good!

So the door, like, creaaks open, and then there's like, a dirty baseball that, like, rolls in, and like, this kid is not young enough to be falling for this shit. [laughs] He's like, "Oh my god! Hi! I'm Danny. It's okay. You can come out. Let's play ball together." Like, girl. Have you never seen a horror movie? Were you never taught stranger danger? What do you think is happening?

G: Yeah. He was like, "I've never seen The Shining. You can come in." [C laughs] Are there even ghosts in The Shining?

C: I don't know.

G: I think that's just him going insane. Like, I think that's The Ring, right?

C: Yeah, that's just- I think it's a psychological whatever thing of that guy being mean to his wife.

We don't see the girl. We just see like, darkness, and like, he like, rolls the ball back, and then, like, she throws it at him. They start playing catch. And you know what? That is kind of fun.

G: Overhand throw, I respect that.

C: Yeah, that is kind of fun. Except that this kid is not fucking old enough to be- not fucking young enough to be falling for this shit. What the fuck.

We cut to the next morning.

G: Is it the next morning? It's still night.

C: Oh, is it- Okay, it's still night. Sorry. I think I got it mixed up with a different- okay.

G: I think this all happens in one day, which is- there's a scene later that is very confusing because [laughs] it's so obvious that they filmed it during the day. But like, you're supposed to think it's night. And it's just the oddest fucking thing.

C: What is the scene?

G: The one where they're like, getting Danny out of the hole.

C: Oh. Hm.

G: That shit was supposed to be night, because, like, outside, it's night. But it's so obvious that they filmed it during the day [laughs], so-

C: Maybe the sun had started rising or- no, was it not that kind of light?

G: No, because, like, outside, we- the mother and the daughter are like, in the shed, and it's complete darkness.

C: Mm, true.

G: And they go out later, and it's still complete darkness. So the fact that the sun is coming up in the scene is- it's not.

C: Yeah, got it. So then we have a brief scene with, like, the parents. And the mom was just like, basically like, looking up the Wikihow on how to start a farm.

G: I respect that. She said, "I'm a procrastinator, and this is what we're gonna do." At some point, she goes like- she's like, reciting very, very, very basic plant-growing facts. Like, "Zucchini will grow, but the soil is too acidic for beets." And then she looks up and goes, [both] "Do you understand any of that?" [G laughing]

C: Yeah, like, girl, what- what's not to understand?

G: "'The soil is too acidic for beets.' I wonder what that means?" [C laughs]

C: "What's acid? I never took chemistry."

G: Yeah, I mean, "Will zucchini grow or not grow? [C laughs] I don't know."

C: "It's a mystery. I'm gonna fail the GRE so bad!" [G laughing]

G: Yeah.

C: Sorry, okay, for the the the audience, I overslept our recording time and it's because I was doing GRE practice problems last night. Horrible.

G: Hell yeah.

C: Anyway. So the dad's, like, inspecting cabinets, and it smells bad. Like dead animals or some shit. Which is that because, like, behind the walls, it's all the dead animals? Is that the implication?

G: I think so, yeah. [laughs] I was so looking forward to him- because it's a two-door cabinet. And he opens one door. And a part of was like, "Is he going to open the other door and find a dead raccoon there?" And like, I think that would be the funniest fucking thing.

C: It would be.

G: But alas, they never open the second door, yeah.

C: Yeah. Sad. I mean, he did in the footage, but then they cut it out to show Sam going up the stairs.

G: [laughing] Show that Sam going up the stairs, yeah.

C: So, you know, like, he's not really listening to her. And she's like, "Brian, what are we doing. Like, we can't farm. What the fuck?" And he's like, "No, like, everything's gonna be good. I promise that we're gonna be happy." And she says, "If we're not?" And he says, "We will be. We have to be." [laughs] I don't think your marriage counselor did a good job.

G: Your marriage counselor was like, "I wanna get rid of these people. [C laughs] I'll send them to buttfuck nowhere. That'll get rid of them."

C: Yeah, yeah. And then she says something about how "I can't put the kids through another year like the last." So, you know more intrigue, more mystery.

G: Anyway, Sam and Dean are outside the house. They pull up. They see that the family is, in fact, residing in their house. And Dean goes, "So what now?" And Sam says, "We could tell them the truth." And Dean goes, "Really?" And Sam goes, "No, not really." [laughs] I love this conversation.

C: Which is what they do, like, immediately afterwards.

G: It is truly- you know. Like, they're like, "Oh, we should do it! But like, nah." And like, the reasons for doing it and the reasons for not doing it in their head are both equally stupid.

C: Yeah.

G: Like, I don't even know what the fuck these guys are on. Like, "We shouldn't tell them to keep them safe!" I don't fucking know.

C: I think it's "We shouldn't tell them because they won't believe us, and then it'll be less likely that they'll allow us to stick around."

G: Yeah. But they already think you guys are fakes, because, you know, you're not actually house inspectors.

C: I guess they don't know yet that they figured out that there was no asbestos. Like, it's possible that they just-

G: - just moved in.

C: - think that the family does not care about asbestos. "Asbestos? What's that?" [G laughs] She doesn't know what asbestos is, she doesn't know what acidic soil means...

G: Yeah. .Ted, the uncle- Okay. Maybe the uncle is only supposed to be here for a bit, just to help them move, and that's why there's not a room for him.

C: That's true.

G: Anyway, he's walking around, fixing some stuff up. And then he like, sees something on the wall, and then he calls the couple, and they come in, and somebody has written, "Go" in crayon, in red. So it's like, "Ooh."

C: Okay. [laughing] Did you also think that this was Sam and Dean? [both laughing] Because it happened right after that, like, "We should tell them." "No, we need a new method to get them out." And then it cuts to this, right?

G: "Let's just scare the crap out of them with crayons." I respect that.

They start calling on the little kid, and, you know, Danny goes down. And then he says, "Oh, I didn't do it. It's the girl in the walls. She wants you to go and me to stay because she likes me, but she hates grownups. So you guys have to leave."

C: How old do they think this kid is supposed to be? Like, I can see this kid and this kid is like, 12, or whatever the fuck. But how old is he supposed to be in the show? Like, 5?

G: No, definitely not 5.

C: I'd believe a 5-year-old could say that, but no one older than 5

G: Definitely not 5. Maybe 9? I think that's the age we're supposed to infer.

C: Okay, sure. I just- yeah. "There's a girl in the walls, and she's grimy and eats rats, and she hates grownups and wants you to leave and wrote 'Go' on the wall in crayon, and I'm her friend, and I like her, and this is a normal thing."

G: I don't know. Anyway, he goes- like, they like, make him go to his room, and while he was walking up the stairs, he goes, "If Andy were here, he'd believe me!" Which, you know, "Ooh. Mystery person." But this was interesting to me because this felt like the plot of- what's that episode?

C: 3.01?

G: No, the one with the- the girls and the haunted mansion dolls.

C: "Playthings"?

G: Yeah, it's, yeah, that one, I think. What's season is that.

C: 2?

G: It's Season 2. Yeah. It reminded me of that, which did make me feel like this episode was just a combination of the two episodes I've already mentioned, so-

C: "The Benders."

G: "Playthings" and "No Exit."

C: Oh, and "No Exit."

G: And "The Benders." So like, I don't know. I feel like they're rehashing old sentiments. Rehashing old ideas. But I like this because it has a more personal touch. Like, these people are people, I feel.

C: Mm, yeah. I mean, I guess what it reminded me of was like, Tamara and Isaac's thing in 3.01, where it was like, dropping hints about how they got into hunting, and then, eventually, it's like, "They had a child that was killed."

G: Died. Hell yeah. [C laughs]

Our next scene is the teenage girl, Kate. She's lying in bed, and she is like, caressing something on the floor. The dog. And she's talking to the dog also. She's saying like, "Oh, it's okay. I hate it here, too." And then the dog starts licking her. And then she goes, "Ew! Guh-ross! [both laugh] What's the matter with you?" It's a dog. Like, I think a dog can lick you, and it's fine.

C: Yeah, though, I mean, probably like, this dog is not much of a licker.

G: Yeah, I guess. Anyway, she keeps on caressing "the dog," and then the door opens, and it's the dog! [both laughing] I love this scene! The dog comes in.

C: What- okay, so like, this little girl was like, hiding under the bed, and what? Like, Kate was stroking like, her hair-

G: Her hair, yeah.

C: And it ended up being the same texture as the dogs? [G laughs]

G: It's not.

C: And then she started licking her? Like, for what? Was she pretending to be a dog? Was she like, "I wana eat this girl, and I need to check how she tastes." Like, what is happening?

G: It's wild shit, honestly.

C: Also, you would be able to tell if it's like, your dog's fur or like-

G: A human hair.

C: - some random girl's dirty hair. [both laugh] Like, this doesn't fucking work!

G: And also, she's supposed to smell really bad.

C: Yeah.

G: So like, I don't know. But I just love this scene because it's so ridiculous! [laughs] It's so- it's so funny! It's amazing.

C: Yeah, a lot of this episode is just like, "We want to do like, a fun horror trope, and we're just gonna like, throw logic out of the window in order to do it." And that does make it entertaining, because I'm like, "It is fun that it was the girl licking her, and that is something that would be scary." But also, like, just put a little thought into it. Make it seem to make sense a little bit, please.

G: I mean, a part of me was like, "Maybe it's the brother," 'cause, like, he has shorter hair, as we see later when he dies. But like, [laughing] why would he have shorter hair?

C: Why would he have shorter hair? Who's reinforcing gender norms inside of the walls? [G laughs, then screams]

G: It's crazy, what they in this episode. [both laughing] It's like, it's so bad, it turns back into good. [C laughs]

Anyway, Kate is obviously very distressed by this, and she starts screaming.

C: We cut to the downstairs, and the whole family has gathered. And, you know, she's freaking out, and she's like, "Jesus Christ like, a ghost, just like, fucking licked me." And then Danny's like, "Oh my god! A ghost? Like the girl in the walls?" And then, like, the parents are like, "You guys are full of shit. Stop it." And then Sam and Dean knock on the door, [G laughs] and then-

G: Bust it open.

C: - they go, "You have a ghost." [laughs]

G: Literally, Sam just goes, "You have a ghost." And that's, you know, it's wonderful.

C: Even though the last scene was them going, "No, we can't tell them the truth." Like, what is hap- the logical leaps in this episode.

G: [laughing] No, this is what I've been talking about. This episode is so- I think part of it is intentional, like, it is intentionally funny.

C: Yeah, okay.

G: Like, this is like, a funny scene because they were like, "Oh, we shouldn't tell them." And then the next scene of them showing up is, "You have a ghost." Like, I think that's like, maybe intentionally funny.

C: I guess it was-

G: And I think the girl getting licked by the girl was also funny. Like, I don't know. I think this this episode is so funny.

C: It is funny, but I don't- I feel like they're just trying to do a regular horror movie.

G: They are.

C: But I guess a lot of regular horror movies are meant to be like, shticky and funny sometimes, too, so.

G: Yeah.

C: Dean's like, "Okay, like, your family's in danger, and you have to get out of the house fucking now because of the ghost." And then, like, all the lights go out. And then, they hear the dog, like, barking from a distance, and then the dog is whimpering, and then the dog goes quiet. And they run out of the house towards the direction of the sound. [G laughs] And then they see, written in blood, in the dog's blood on the wall, the words, "Too late." Who was teaching her the ABCs inside the walls?!? [G laughs and screams]

G: I love how they were like, "These people are animals. They don't even talk. Like, blah blah blah." And she just literally wrote, "Too late."

C: She can read and write. Like-

G: I respect that.

C: Right, so Dean's like, "Okay, we have to go. We have to head to the motel." They go over to the cars, and all the tires of the Impala and the moving truck and the family's car are slashed.

G: How do they drive out like, later? Like, Sam and Dean?

C: There's like, a scene of them installing new tires on- which actually, if they had- where did they come from? If they had new tires the whole time, why not just install them now?? [both laughing]

G: [laughing] This episode is fucking bonkers!

C: I mean, maybe in the morning they like, walked to town and bought new tires, like, from a store? And then they walked back? But like, why can't they walk to town now, then?

G: Yeah, it's crazy.

C: God, what the fuck.

G: They can't because they're gonna abandon this family to die.

C: Well, actually, it's possible that they had them, but then, like, they got taken like the guns got taken. Right?

G: Oh, yeah, maybe, yeah.

C: Okay, sure. Fine. Jeremy Carver, you get away with this one.

G: I mean, okay, first of all, how was she able to open the trunk?

C: Right. Isn't it locked?

G: Like, all the guns are stolen! It's a hidden compartment. If this person is so animalistic that she can even think of anything-

C: Yeah, so unsmart or whatever.

G: Yeah - how she able to figure out their hidden compartment? [C laughs] Like, I don't- this episode's fucking nuts.

C: Actually, the brother's like, really smart, and like, he knows how to read, he did all the writing, and he knows everything. It's just that, like, we didn't learn that he was smart 'cause he got killed so fast.

Sam checks the trunk, and all the guns are gone, and he also says, "So is the-" and then, like, he pulls something out. Was that like, the demon knife? What was-

G: Flashlights.

C: Oh, it's flashlights. Okay, I couldn't tell because Supernatural's lighting is terrible, and also, I had really bad eyesight yesterday.

G: It's so funny. Like, this person just did not get the flashlights? I don't know. It is such a confusing- everything about this episode.

C: Isn't there a thing where she's barely ever even seen light?

G: Blinded by the lights, yeah.

C: So she didn't have any need for the flashlights.

G: But did she see guns? Does she know what guns are?

C: Yeah, I don't- I don't know. She never used them.

G: They had fucking like, those like, things you throw, and they're blades, in that car. They had a flamethrower. [C laughing] And then she just took everything? [laughing]

C: She was like, "I'm gonna stick with my one knife."

G: Yeah. Anyway, like, at some point, Brian, the husband, comes back and he goes like, "Yeah, the truck's no good because both tires are slashed"? [laughing] Thinking there were 4 tires in the truck? [both laughing] Or is he saying that both the truck and the cars' tires are slashed? C: I think that's what he means, but it does sound like there were only two tires between the truck and our personal car.

G: [laughing] This episode's so bad!

C: Obviously, Dean's very upset because "Oh, no, it's the Impala." And he's like, [whiny] "What kind of ghost messes with a man's wheels??" Blah blah blah. Kate, sees the girl like, running off in the woods. And Dean's like, "What's a ghost doing outside?" So, you know, they're leading up to the "it wasn't a ghost at all" sort of thing. And Dean's like, "Okay, actually, we all have to go back into the house that I spent so long convincing you to get out of. Because, like, this ghost could go anywhere, and she's hunting us for sport, so we have to be in a place with better defenses," whatever whatever.

G: Anyway, so they go inside, and Dean sets up a salt circle for everyone, and Brian starts, you know, being like, "Oh, we're gonna go. I don't wanna be here." But Dean is being more forceful while Sam is doing the whole- like, he's calling this guy "sir," and he's like, "This is what we do. Trust us." And the kid shows a little bit of interest. Calls them Scooby-doo, which is fun. And Sam and Dean show the pictures to the kids.

C: Oh yeah, the housekeeper gave photos of the the daughter and the wife. Did we mention that? I forgot.

G: Yeah. I think we didn't mention specifically what pictures she gave. But yeah. The both kids say that the daughter is the girl in the walls, and Sam and Dean speculate like, "Oh, maybe she did not kill herself." You know. No no no. They speculate that she wasn't cremated, or like, something in the house has her spirit or whatever. Sam suggests going to the attic, and then, you know, Dean was supposed to stay there and take care of the people. Which, you know, in terms of division of labor, who would you assign? If you were the team leader here, right, who would you assign to be the caretaker of the people and who would you assign to go to the attic?

C: I mean, this family is in emotional distress, so I feel like Sam at least tries to be accommodating of that.

G: No, exactly. This is what I was thinking. Like, send Dean to the attic! [C laughs] Like, I don't know. He's- I mean, at least he doesn't have a gun that he can't actively point at other people.

G: Yeah. But that doesn't stop him. [G laughs]

G: But it doesn't stop him!

Well, anyway, they go, and Ted, the uncle, is like, "Oh, whatever. I'm gonna fucking get out of here." And Dean corners him to the wall, tells him, "I've got a gun. So get back inside that circle before I gave you a third hole." [screams]

C: Okay, yeah, no. Okay, what are the- okay, anus and mouth? Are those the two?

G: [laughing] I don't know!

C: Like, there's a lot of holes in the human body.

G: There are a lot.

C: There are nostrils, and like, ears.

G: Eyes.

C: Yeah. Or maybe Ted is trans.

G: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe the pee-hole is, you know -

C: Yeah, sure.

G: - the second hole, and then the gunshot is the third hole. So I guess if you have the anatomy of- he's gonna give you your fourth hole? I respect that.

C: Sure. This is very the "Maybe they like the other other white meat" of him. [G laughs]

G: Exactly.

C: Also, Ted talks exactly like Dean. He says, "It's just some backwoods hillbilly bitch, and I'm not about to sit around here waiting for her to go all Deliverance on my ass."

G: They should have kissed. [C laughing] They should have kissed for real.

C: I guess he turns out to be right, so. [G laughs] That's egg on Dean's face.

G: Yeah. Sam calls Dean out on not having a gun, but Dean's like, "I don't give a shit."

C: It's so funny how they're whispering and like, supposedly, no one in the family is going to hear this, but they're in a salt circle with a diameter of 6 feet max.

G: Yeah, exactly. And Dean says, "I'm not letting anyone die tonight." Which starts a theme in this episode that, like, [mocking] he doesn't want anyone to die.

C: Yeah. Because he feels so so guilty about Hell so he needs to save everyone, blah blah blah blah.

G: Yeah. I mean, I get what they're trying to do, but like, where was this in the earlier episodes of Season 4?

C: Yeah. He remembers being in Hell the whole time. Like, why is he only doing this now that Sam knows about it? Like, now, it just seems like, he's trying to like, look good for, like, Sam, not like, for actual guilt.

G: Yeah, exactly.

They start asking about the salt until suddenly, the girl comes in [laughs] and opens the door. And like, slowly starts creeping up to them. And all I could think about is, "They didn't lock the fucking door?" [C laughs] Jesus Christ, man.

C: Well, they think she's a ghost, and ghosts can pass through walls or whatever, right? [G groans]

G: Yeah. But like, still lock the door. Come on.

Dean is just there being like, "She can't come in the circle. Don't you guys worry about it." And the girl just keeps on walking and walking. She reveals a knife, and then, she steps over the line.

C: Yup.

G: Hell yeah!

C: Hell yeah!

G: And Kate goes like, "I thought ghosts can't cross the circle!" and Dean's like, "Yep. Not a ghost." And Ted is like, "Shoot her! Shoot her!" And Dean was like, "Mm..."

C: "Well..."

G: "I don't have it." and he just tells them to start moving. And then Dean, you know, is fighting for his life until Sam comes in, shines a flashlight on her face, which, you know, hurts her eyes, and she starts running!

C: Photosensitive gang rise up.

G: Yeah.

C: We cut to a leetle bit later. They've all left the house. They're all outside. So apparently, the whole family, when this happened, they all ran into the woods to hide and shit. Dean's like, "I'm telling you, man. Humans." Which starts a thing in this episode where it's Dean's like, "Humans are capable of so many horrible things." I just never find it interesting when Supernatural does "humans are the real monsters." 'Cause whenever they do "humans are the real monsters," which is like, this and "The Benders"-

G: It's always some, like- yeah.

C: Yeah, it's always like, "Oh, these are like, some Southerners who are poor, and they're just like, on the edge of society like, being serial killers, blah blah blah blah blah." Like, they never do it about like-

G: Actual people.

C: - corporate greed, or anything that is actually like, common and happens.

G: Even when they do corporate greed -

C: It's Dick Roman.

G: - those are Leviathans. It's literally Dick Roman. Also, like, it is quite irritating, in this episode specifically, where they keep on referring to those people as like, "They're barely human." I mean, we'll get into it the first time Sam mentions it. But that really like, pissed me off because, like, what's the point of doing this episode, then?

C: Yeah. Well, I think Sam's supposed to be considered wrong.

G: No!

C: No?

G: No, I don't think so.

C: Really?

G: 'Cause the thesis of the end is like, Dean going, "Yeah, they're barely human, but they're still better than me."

C: That's true.

G: "Like, the fact that they don't know what they're doing makes me worse because I knew what I was doing."

C: That's true. Also, they keep bringing up that they're in the countryside.

G: [laughs] Yeah.

C: Which I think is fucking annoying as well.

G: [laughing] It's a focal point of this episode. Yeah, this episode's fucking nuts.

C: Yeah. So they're talking, and Dean's like, "Hey, maybe it's like, the daughter Rebecca, and instead of hanging herself, she just went to live in the walls." And Sam's like, "No, she would have to be like, 50 now." Which, okay, wait if she has to be 50 now, and she killed herself-

G: 20 years ago.

C: When she was like- so these- okay. So these, okay, I keep calling them "kids," but they're like, 20. They're like, young adults.

G: Yeah.

C: Okay. Don't they keep calling them kids in this episode. Well, no, it's because she says she- 'cause she hates grownups. Like, that implies to me that that's a child. But like, she's like, 20 or whatever.

G: Yeah.

C: Sam says that he found Rebecca's diary in the attic, but nothing else. And, you know, they talk about how they have to like, hold her off, keep the family safe. So Brian is calling the family out to go, and Susan and Ted and Kate, I guess, show up, but they can't find Danny. They start like, yelling and screaming 'cause they don't know where he is. So their former plan of like, them all walking to town as Sam and Dean stay here and kill these people is now null. Nill. Whatever. You know, Dean decides that Kate and Susan should hide in the shed because the windows are boarded up and it only has one door, so it's the most defensible position. Sam and Dan are gonna work with Brian and Ted to find Danny. Why? I mean, misogyny. Anyway. [laughs]

So Dean and Ted are looking around inside. Also, Ted finds a knife., so they've got one weapon. Dean finds like, a board in the wall that's loose, and he's able to crawl inside. It smells really bad. As they go further inside, there's like, a little hole in the floor, and Dean decides that he's gonna go in. Okay, if they're just looking for Danny, can't he just shine his flashlight down there and see if he's there? Dean doesn't doesn't have to go in the hole. He can just yell Danny's name and then sweep a flashlight around

G: I mean, he wants to go into the hole. [C laughing] Yeah.

C: Yeah. He really wants to enter that hole.

G: I mean, there's a gaping hole inside of him! [laughing]

C: Yeah, fucking hell. "Don't-" what does Bobby say? "Don't go after Dick because it fills the hole. Go after Dick because-" what does he say?

G: "The right thing," I think. "Go after the right-" I don't fucking know.

C: We'll find out in like, two years or whatever.

G: He also says it this episode. He says "there's a hole..."

C: He does say that.

G: I respect that. They're obsessed with holes in this episode.

C: Doesn't he have a conversation with Gordon about a similar thing where, like, killing monsters fills a hole in him or something? Or is that someone else?

G: Yeah yeah yeah. I think so, yeah.

C: Poor Dean. He has so many holes. And Cas isn't even in this episode.

So he goes down, and it's like, a room with like, flies buzzing around, and there's like, dead rats, the dead dog in there. And he calls it her kitchen. Also, like, there's art on one wall, like, where there's like, 2 stick figures holding hands. Okay. Who the fuck is enforcing gender norms down here? Because one of them is like, a girl symbol with like, a triangle dress on it, or whatever. Where did she learn that.

G: Yeah. Oh my god, she's wearing a white nightgown!

C: Shit, she is, yeah. It's just very dirty now.

G: Like, what was the guy wearing? Normal guy clothes?

C: I don't know. It was very hard for me to see anything. Okay, how did she have clothes that fit her? Like, in addition to like, throwing like, food down there like, her dad/grandad was also like, making her new clothes each year?

G: I have no idea.

C: Yeah.

G: This episode is so fucking stupid.

C: Okay, wait. I couldn't tell. Were the two stick figures like, a girl and a boy?

G: Yeah.

C: Okay, so it's her and her brother. So it's like, foreshadowing. That's cute.

And then, Ted, hears, like, creaking behind him. He turns around, and the girl is there, and she stabs him to death. And the way that it is revealed that he dies is like, we're back to Dean, and then, like, Ted falls down perfectly. so that [both] his head falls through the hole. Which is fun. I did like that.

G: Anyway. Sam and the husband are in the shed together with the two women. And they're talking about how, you know, how "We should go in there!" and Sam's like, “No, no, no, let's wait for them.” And then Dean knocks, enters, and it's just him. And they ask, “Did you get Danny?” And he goes, “No.” And Susan goes, “Well, where's Ted?” And he goes, "He's outside." And Susan goes, “Well, why won't he come inside?" And Dean just goes, “I had to carry him out. I'm sorry."

C: I'm so annoyed every time they refuse to be straight up about a death notification. Like, “He's outside”? [laughs] Like, what is wrong with you? Just tell people. And also, how they didn't even tell Anna that her parents were dead. Sam was like, “I'm sorry,” and she has to come to the conclusion by herself. Which, I wouldn’t come to that conclusion by myself. I would be like, “Oh, are they like, very badly injured, or something?” you know what I mean? It's rude of them to not just tell people the truth because they feel awkward about it.

G: Like, the confirmation, yeah.

C: Yeah. In Disco Elysium, there's a scene where you have to give a death notification, and your skills tell you very explicitly you have to use the word “dead,” like, that is the only way to like, properly go about it. And I agree. Sam and Dean are so annoying. So so annoying.

G: Anyway, he explains what happened, and everybody starts freaking out. Dean is very apologetic. He's very sad. Dean... fucks off? I don't know. Sam is reading the diary, and the husband and wife are talking to each other. Well, the husband is saying, “We'll find our son. It's okay,” and Susan is saying like, “Oh, the kid is dead. I mean, my brother is dead, so, you know, our son must also be dead.” And Brian just goes, “No, our kid is alive.” And they just go back and forth, like, "He's alive." "No, he isn't." "He's alive." "No, he isn't." And then finally, he just goes, “The girl in the wall likes him. She said he could stay. So it's okay. He's gonna be alive.” And Susan just goes, “I don't understand. We're good people! We're a good family! Why is this happening to us?”

C: Which I found really annoying, but I also understand that she is in a situation.

G: Yeah. And the husband says, “What happened to Andy happened, you know; I cannot change that. But Danny, we'll find him. And we're going to be okay.” And then he goes, “You, me, the kids; we're gonna be fine.” And it's like, her brother just died!

C: Yeah.

G: And they do not even acknowledge this?

C: They don't care.

G: They don't give a shit about this guy. And it's just, I don't know. A part of me was actually very like, "Huh! There's an uncle in this family." Because I understand that, in the United States, that's not common, for like, specifically like, white families.

C: Wait, what do you mean?

G: I mentioned this before in the podcast. It's like, here, everyone in the family is just in the family.

C: Oh, yeah, I know what you mean.

G: Like, it's very common for a family to have an aunt or an uncle just tossed in there; a grandma, grandpa. Like, we don't really- we have the concept of a nuclear family, but it's, you know, it's more than that. It's extended. So having an uncle here, I thought was interesting. I was like, "Oh, what are they gonna do with it?"

C: Nothing.

G: And then, basically, they just do this thing in the show where it's like, “Oh, like, we got rid of the uncle, we got rid of the dog, but, like, those people are not necessary!"

C: Yeah. 'Cause it's the nuclear family.

G: "What's important is the nuclear family.” And I was like, “Okay, well, it is an American show, I fucking guess."

C: It sure is an American show. Aiya.

C: Now we're outside the farm- Okay, wait. Was Brian standing there alone, and then Dean came up to him? Or were they standing there together?

G: I think they're both outside. Which is just such a stupid idea.

C: Yeah, why are you not all just in the fucking shed?

G: [mocking] They need space. "I need space."

C: His brother-in-law just got murdered while he had Dean there for protection. And now he's like, “I wanna be outside with only Dean for protection.”

G: Nobody in this episode acts in any way that makes sense.

C: Yeah. So Dean's like, “Oh, was Andy your son?” And Brian says he was the oldest son, and he was killed in a car accident last year. And it was very bad for his marriage [both laughing] is literally what he says next. [both laughing] Oh my god. So he-

G: This episode is truly something.

C: Yeah. And he says the marriage counselor said that they should move here for fresh air and a fresh start. And he's like, “Oh, yeah, because what could go wrong in the country?" Which is like, whatever dude. Stop being- Supernatural just fucking hates the country. Like, they're like, "We're gonna set- like, Kansas is going to be the home of our protagonists, and like, we're gonna be so big on the like-"

G: "But they're not country people!"

C: "Yeah, but they're not disgusting country people. They're from the Kansas suburbs." Okay, man.

Dean's like, [fake teary/tough-guy] “I'm getting your son back if it's the last godforsaken thing I do.” And Brian's like, "Why do you care so much?" Which is, you know.

G: A very very prevalent question. [laughs]

C: What you ask when one of your sons died last year, and one of your other sons might be murdered right now by the girl who killed your dog. You go, "Oh my god! But you're such a hero! Why do you care so much? Please, tell me more about your life, Dean.” [G laughs]

G: It's just such a odd fucking- [groans, C laughs] Anyway, Sam shows up and tells Dean that they gotta talk. So they go inside the house-

C: Leaving Brian alone to be murdered! [G laughs] Leaving the family alone to be murdered so they could have a private conversation about something that isn't even confidential!

G: Anyway, Sam finished reading the diary, and he assumes that the girl is Rebecca's daughter because she, in the journal, she talks constantly about being pregnant and being ashamed of being pregnant.

C: Dean is such a shithead about this.

G: He goes like, “Oh, whatever. Get over it." He says, "Rent Juno and get over it.”

C: And then he knows that she killed herself. Like-

G: Yeah, I don't fucking know. He goes like, “Why did she kill herself, like, after the baby?” And Sam's like, “Oh, her dad called her a dirty little whore and said that he was gonna lock the baby up.” And Dean goes, “Why would he say that?” Which is, I feel like, an odd thing.

C: Yeah, I mean, I don't- Is it really true that men who grow up without sisters, like, don't know anything? Dean watches movies. Dean watches a lot of movies.

G: Yeah, but he watches the kinds of movies that are-

C: With no women in them. Just cowboys.

G: Yeah.

C: I don't know. Does he not know about slutshaming and how, like, having a baby out of wedlock, even if it's not the result of your dad raping you is considered shameful to a lot of people? He grew up in Kansas.

G: I don't know. The whole thing of like, Sam would say nothing, and that automatically means that like, "Oh, her dad raped her." And it's like-

C: Right, no, it's just-

G: This conversation doesn't make any sense.

C: Yeah. She was an unwed mother. Like, that's considered very taboo in a lot of people's families.

G: Yeah. And, I don't know. The question of “Why would he say that?” [C laughs] feels very much like, "What did she do to deserve this horrible thing thrust upon her?"

C: Mm.

G: And I think that's why it made me feel so uncomfortable. 'Cause like, "Why would he say that?" Because he's an asshole? I don't fucking know. [C laughs] But, like, now, it becomes a "Did something happen for him to say that?" And it's like, "Yeah." And it's- I don't know. It's just- This episode is just so weirdly written. It's so weirdly written. Jeremy Carver, what is up with you?

C: I don't know.

G: Anyway, they conclude that the father raped the daughter. And then, you know.

C: Dean cracks two different jokes about this. What the fuck?

G: Yeah. Sam starts this thing where he calls the man a monster, right?

C: Right.

G: Which, I mean, yeah, but also like, the way they use it here and for the rest of the episode- like, calling someone an animal or a monster is not a cry against their values or their morals or their actions, you know. It's basically going like, "Yeah, I mean, what can you do? Monster." [C laughs] Do you get what I mean?

C: Yeah, yeah.

G: Maybe it's more applicable to the later uses of Sam basically going, "Oh, monster," or like, "animal," or like, "barely human." But every time he says it, it has this air of- it becomes less like, "Oh, I'm telling you off for being a horrible person." It becomes more of excusing in a way. Like, "I mean, yeah, these people are horrible. What do you expect?" That's kind of the vibe. Which is annoying and is horrible. And, I mean, it's- in my personal life, that's something I try to not do.

C: Yeah, yeah.

G: Like, when people do terrible things, I do firmly remind myself, like, "These are people, and that is actually worse. Like, that makes it worse."

C: Yeah.

G: Because when you go like, "Oh, those people are monsters," or "Those people are horrible in a way that is different from a horrible that I can do, or like, a horrible that a normal person can do, it like, almost excuses the behavior."

C: Yeah.

G: It's the same deal with corporations. Seeing corporations as an entity that is indestructible removes the fact that those are built and made up of people, and like, that makes it worse, and you should be angrier about the fact that there are people behind this. And actually thinking about them less as people and more as just entities of evil that don't think as complexly as you or whatever is actually more, you know, it's more beneficial for them for you to think of that that way.

C: That's true. That is true.

G: So like, yeah. That's where my train of thought went, and like, yeah, it is a bit far off from this specific line. But I just don't like it. I don't like when people call other people monsters.

C: I agree. Also, there's a scene in “rising sun blues”, which is the “bad moon rising” Season 2 thing which is the author's version of “Heart,” and Sam's basically telling Maddy, like, “Hey. So yeah, you're a werewolf. And like, I do have to do something about that.” And she's like, “What the fuck. The guys I killed were abusive and shitty.” And Sam goes, “Yeah, I know. Like, look, he deserved it, okay? He was a monster.” But then Maddy says, “No, he wasn't. He was human. And I'm not going to kill the monster that saved me.” Anyway. So yeah, that seemed slightly relevant to this.

G: Yeah, yeah. Anyway. Dean, again, as Crystal said, makes a joke about how "This is like a story from an Austrian headline."

C: So this is a Freud joke, which implies that she-

G: Is it a Freud joke?

C: Yeah, I think that's what he means, yeah, which is so terrible.

G: Is it not like a- What's the name of that family that's completely fucking inbred?

C: Oh, the Hapsburgs or whatever?

G: Hapsburgs. Is it not a Hapsburgs joke?

C: It's possible. Yeah, the Hapsburgs were Austrian, but like, so was Freud. So I don't know what-

G: I think it's a Hapsburg joke.

C: Okay, okay. I hope so.

G: I mean, it's probably on the fucking, like, SPN Wiki. But, you know, I'm not gonna look.

C: I'll check.

Okay, so what the Superwiki says is that it's neither of what the things that we said. There was a case in 2008, so it would have been right around the time this episode aired, of a guy in Austria, who held his daughter captive in a cellar for 24 years and raped her. So.

G: Jesus Christ.

C: That's a bad thing to make a joke reference about, Dean.

G: Anyway, so she has been locked up and then gets out and kills the guy from the scene earlier. Dean goes, “Well, I can't say I blame her.” And Sam goes, “I'm sure her life was hell, Dean. It doesn't mean she gets a free pass for murder.” Honestly, I think she can do whatever the fuck she wants.

C: Honestly, yeah. Definitely, killing the guy from the intro, definitely, that's fine. Currently, it's not great, but like, I get it.

G: Yeah.

C: [laughs] We're saying this right after you said that you hate when people excuse people's actions by calling them monsters.

G: [laughing] No. I mean, I think I've delivered that with enough levity for people to conclude what I feel more strongly about, you know? C: Good point.

Also, I think she's a human that makes choices, and this is an okay choice for her to make. [both laugh]

G: And then the thing that Dean latches on in this sentence is the fact that Sam said, "Her life is hell." And he goes, like, “Do you know what Hell's like?" [screams, both laugh] Who wrote this episode? Jeremy. What are you doing, Jeremy?

C: Dean's literally a member of the people who were in Hell community, and he's advocating for you all to use more sensitive language in your figurative language. [G laughs]

G: You know, Sam, like, tries to apologize, and Dean's like, “Oh, whatever!” And then Sam's like, “Where do we find her?” And Dean goes, “Well. Kid's gotta eat. And he kept her locked up, but he had to feed her. So I think I know where.”

Do they mean like, where?

C: I don't know. Was it the dumbwaiter? I couldn't tell where they went.

G: No, it says here that they went to the basement, but they busted open a door. They busted open a wall. Why is there a basement inside the wall?

C: I don't know. I guess-

G: Isn't a basement like-

C: Yeah, like, accessible.

G: This is a tornado area, right? So everybody has a basement.

C: I think so, yeah.

G: So it's normal to assume that there is a basement. But it's not normal to break down a wall to get there.

C: Yeah. I mean, it had to be hidden in a way, or else the realtors would have found her. But like-

G: Yeah, but like, it's so stupid.

C: Did he seal up the- Okay, he probably sealed up the basement or something, right?

G: But how did he give her food? C: The dumbwaiter? But then, like, the dumbwaiter [both] was also sealed up. But also, okay, right now, she's eating dead rats. Is the implication that she had regular food until recently-

G: And then it stopped, yeah.

C: - after she killed him, and then she had to eat dead rats.

G: I don't know.

C: I mean, that has to be the case or else she would have died of scurvy by now.

G: I mean, I think she would have died of other things, too.

C: Yeah, I mean, rats often carry disease and stuff.

G: That's true.

C: And also, it's cold in the winter.

G: [laughs] She doesn't get Vitamin D. Like, who fucking knows.

C: Yeah, she doesn't get any Vitamin D. It's just, I know humans can survive in like, horrible circumstances.

G: Extreme conditions, yeah. But 20 years, I don't know.

C: But like, starting from being a baby, also.

G: Yeah! [C laughs] How did he give her milk? [C laughing] She can't process water! I don't know. Eh.

C: I don't fucking know.

G: Anyway, we go to the basement, and Danny, the kid, is there, and, you know, he's screaming. And then he sees the girl come in. Also, this is filmed in dark. What do you call that?

C: There's a green filter.

G: Yeah, what's that called? Like, night vision?

C: Yeah, night vision, something like that.

G: And then, you know, she comes through the wall and she holds up like, a rat, and then she tries to offer him the rat, I think.

C: But he's gagged. He can't eat anything.

G: Yeah! He's tied up. He can't hold the rat. And then she just looks at him and then breaks the rat's neck, and then she bites into it. Are human beings even made for this kind of carnivorism?

C: I don't know. I feel like rats don't have very thick skin or anything, though, right?

G: You'll be surprised.

C: Okay. So okay, the transcript does say that they're busting a hole in the dumbwaiter shaft. So- but yeah. How was he giving her food if it was boarded up there? Or did he stop giving them food at some point? Like, is that that the "Oh my god, no, it's impossible for you to be here." Because, like, maybe eventually, he was like, “Actually, I don't want this anymore.” And then he boarded up the dumbwaiter and expected them to starve to death?

G: Left her to die? Yeah.

C: That could be it, right?

G: Maybe.

C: I would love it if this episode told us anything.

G: You know, I'm so excited, because I'm in the transcript right now, and I'm scrolling down alongside our discussions-

C: And we're so close to the end.

G: I am waiting for the end when we see like, deleted scene.

C: Was there a deleted scene?

G: No no no, I don't think so. But if there is, I want that insight. I am so curious about what they decided to delete to accommodate Sam's walk up the stairs. [C laughing]

C: Yeah, real and true.

C: They like, hammer into the kitchen wall where the dumbwaiter shaft is until there's a hole.

G: They do this thing where Brian is there. Like, the father is there. And he's like, "I'm gonna go down," and Dean's like, [dramatic] “No, I'm gonna go down. [C laughs] I promised that I would save him, and I will.”

C: Yeah.

G: And he just goes down, and it's so ridiculous.

C: Yeah. It's stupid.

G: I think it's realistic for Dean to be like, “I'll do it,” but he wouldn't do this, like, entire speech about like, “I said what I said, and I said I'll save him, so let me save him,” you know. I think he'll just be like, “No, I'll do it.” And just jump in. Like, you know. Everything here on out just feels so performative. Because he wasn't like this throughout the rest of Season 4. It's annoying.

C: Yeah, he wasn't like, at all. We spent basically every episode criticizing him for being sarcastic or untruthful about how he wants to save people. You're telling me that he had the same mindset during “Damn right, I wanted to save some naked women.”?

I guess the explanation, the charitable explanation, is that he was in denial about that stuff and trying not to think about it. And now that he's told Sam, it feels more real to him. So now he starts needing to redeem himself or whatever. Eh, I just don't think people can be that good at denial. He spent longer there than his natural lifespan on Earth. Like, that's pretty hard to tamp down.

Okay, and then after Dean goes in, Sam’s like, “Oh, by the way, are there any curtains around? Because we need a rope.” [both laugh] They don't even do this beforehand.

G: They're like, “No, I don't want to think about it.”

C: Yeah.

G: And they didn’t.

C: So Dean goes downstairs. Okay, there's like, a wooden cross and a rosary in there. Which, what does that mean?

G: There was?

C: Yeah, there was a wooden cross on the floor, I noticed. Like, did the dad toss one in? He's like, “I need this baby to be Christian.” And also, there's like, guns and stuff that - the stolen ones - littered across the floor. So Dean is able to get one. Also, we're like, we cut between like, Dean and the shed. Because, you know, Kate and Susan are in the shed, and then the window gets busted in, and the girl shows up and starts trying to attack them.

In the basement, Dean finds Danny tied up. He like, frees Danny, and is like, “Come on, let's go, let's go." And then Danny goes, "Hurry! He's coming back." And Dean goes, "He?" And Danny goes, "Her brother." [both laughing]

G: Everything is so miserable.

C: We've already spent, like, 20 minutes talking about how fucking stupid this twist is. But have we concerned that this twist is fucking stupid? [G laughs] Oh, god.

G: The thing is, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I don't know. It's just- it's so stupid.

C: It's just for this one moment of Dean going like, "He?"

G: It is. It's such- it's also so funny, because like, occasionally, I would do this thing where I would translate Supernatural in my head. And sometimes, it's like, really nice, because when Sam and Dean are talking, and then they're amping up the whole big brother-little brother thing, and I think of Sam calling Dean kuya, I think, "Oh my god, like, that's so like, I'm gonna cry." I was thinking about this scene, I was like, "Yeah, we don't have gendered pronouns in Filipino, so this would not- [both laughing] this would have just passed us by." And there is - I've been saying this - there's a Filipino dub of Supernatural. A Tagalog dub, specifically.

C: Right.

G: And I have been looking for it. I have no access to it. I don't know where I can find it. I do want to find it. So if anyone has a link, [laughing] we've been saying this since Season 1, but if you know anyone who can give me access to this, I would want it. But this one- like, I think they did until Season 7. So they definitely dubbed this episode, right?

C: How would they do it?

G: I was like, "How would they have dubbed this episode?" [laughs] I have no idea!

C: I guess, like, Danny would be like, “Hurry! The man is coming back.”

G: Oh, yeah, that's true. And then, "yung kapatid niya." I don't know, it's so stupid! [both laugh] It's such a pointless twist. 'Cause it could have- like, it would have made more sense if it was also a sister. Like, if it was also a girl. 'Cause twins generally work that way. C: What? No it doesn't-

G: I mean, like, identical twins, at least work that way.

C: Oh, yeah, they'd have to be fraternal.

G: Yeah. And the thing about this is, it would have been a lot more interesting if there's like, two of her, you know?

C: Right, yeah. And "How is she in two places at once?"

G: And that would have amped up the whole ghost thing because like "Oh, she must be a ghost because she was here, and now she's there," you know. But they were like, “No, let's reveal a brother at the forty-minute-" or whatever.

C: But if it was identical twins, would I not be calling it corny, like, right now? [laughs]

G: I mean, who give a shit? It's already corny as hell. This episode is so bad it's good, [C laughs] and I feel like having a twin ghost-not-ghost actual people who want to kill you situation would be hilarious, and would be, you know, even cornier.

C: And then the brother starts coming out and attacking Dean.

G: [laughing] He has short hair.

C: What?

G: [laughing] He has short hair.

C: He does have short hair. I don't know what clothes he's wearing? Do you wanna do a redo of 4.09 where we go on the Home of the Nutty and try to see? Yeah, sorry, it is not even loading. But I really wanna check now.

G: Home of the Nutty hates me specifically. I mean, does he even have short hair? What if I was just seeing things?

C: That's true. What if the true gender norms were in your brain and Supernatural is more enlightened than you are?

G: Yeah.

C: I can do this. I can find it.

G: Episode 4.11.

C: The album for the episode is loading. I believe in myself. [G laughs] This is just gonna become a segment of our our podcast now. The one where we go to Home of the Nutty and wait for it to load.

G: Oh my god, it's here!

C: Oh. Does he have short hair?

G: I can't- wait, I can't see it properly because my darkness is, in fact, set to very low.

C: He does have short hair. It's a little longer than a quote, unquote “man's haircut.” It's like, shoulder-length, a little, more like.

G: Do you think they put him in a wig? Or this is just like, the guys hair.

C: I can't tell if he's wearing pants, but he's definitely wearing a long-sleeved shirt, and not a nightgown, so like, this man was tossing food, he was tossing baby formula, he was tossing wooden crosses, and he was tossing increasing sizes of gendered clothing into that dumbwaiter.

G: Okay, I don't think his hair is short, but it must be shorter than hers.

C: Yeah. And also looks a lot more washed than hers.

G: Yeah. [laughs] He's got a- this guy could have a shampoo-

C: He's got conditioner or whatever, yeah. [laughs]

G: Yeah. Palmolive. And also, like, yeah, not a nightgown in sight.

Dean looks ugly as fuck in this screencap.

C: He is fighting for his life. [G laughs] But yes.

So meanwhile, in the shed, you know, Susan is trying to defend with like, a rake. They're like, standing against a wall furthest from the window that got busted in. But then a knife stabs into the wall behind Kate's head. Sam drops down the curtains that made the rope for Danny to get up. You know, they get him out. He's okay. And then, you know, Sam tells Brian to run off with Danny. He goes down. Dean eventually like, shoots the brother to death and then Sam comes down and gets him. And then the sister is, you know, about to murder Susan and Kate, but then she gets like, pulled out of the shed by the ankle, and then there's stabbing and screaming sounds outside, and then they go outside, and Brian is there, and it's a whole reveal where it slowly pans to him holding a bloody knife. So like, it's like, a big deal that he killed her. I don't think it's a big deal that he killed her. Like, that's what was gonna happen. I guess the idea is just, "Oh, this was a regular American dad, and now he's been forced to murder." But, I don't know. The uncle was a regular American uncle, and he was ready to shoot her to death within like, two minutes.

And then, you know, everyone comes outside. They see the body, and they're all miserable.

C: So we get part one of the epilogue. It's the next morning. Dean’s replaced the tires and got all the guns back in the trunk. Dean's like, “Thanks for letting us leave early before you guys call the police.” And Brian says, “Why doesn't it surprise me you guys don't like the police?” And then Sam says, “It's sort of a mutual appreciation thing, really.” What?

G: Yeah, what?

C: What does that mean?

G: It is not, Sam. It is not, Sam.

C: Like, you don't like police because you were in jail and going to get death penaltied last season.

I mean, there's a "bad moon rising" excerpt about this, because of course there is. Can I read it? [laughs]

G: Okay.

C: “There’s a strange kinship between hunters and cops. If pressed, neither would admit it. Hunters wield unregistered weapons, and they find under-the-table ways to stay fed, and they print themselves fake badges, and they break into morgues and mausoleums. They set fires, they drink too much, they dig up graves and kill things without a twinge of remorse. They linger on the ragged border of civilization and monstrosity, violent and hungry, always one wrong step from death or prison. Still, you would be surprised how many cops have some odd knowledge of monsters, and the men that kill them. You would be surprised to know how many hunters left law enforcement because it wasn’t enough for them. There’s an implicit understanding between them, a knowledge that the only reason hunters aren’t out of a job is because there’s no cells made for werewolves or shapeshifters in federal correctional facilities.” So like, I get what Sam means except that Supernatural doesn't really do anything that implies it. You're right that they do basically the same job, and that's one of the criticisms of hunting in the Supernatural fandom, the fact that you are just cops for monsters, and because you're cops for monsters, you feel like you have even more power to be judge, jury, and executioner. But like, the show never plays into that, and it's weird for Sam to say.

Anyway, Brian and Susan both thank Sam and Dean. Dean asks, “Are you guys okay?" like an idiot. And Susan's like, “No, we're the opposite of okay. But we're together." And then she, like, holds hands with her husband, which implies that all the marriage issues they were having earlier from their son dying are now gone because of this. Which I think is insane.

G: I feel like, you go through this much shit. Just divorce. [both laugh] I don't know. That's a mean thing to say.

C: I feel like the whole "you can't find someone else because no one else was there, and they don't understand what you went through."

G: Yeah, but I'm not- whatever. Personally, I don't necessarily agree with that kind of sentiment. But, you know, if I were to fight or flight, I will fly, so.

C: True.

G: Anyway, they fucking get out of there.

G: They go to an overpass which, looks, I believe, exactly like the overpass they were at last episode. [laughs]

C: Probably.

G: Did you notice that? It's crazy. So they go out, and Sam hands Dean a burger, and Dean opens up the burger, and my first thought was, "How can you eat after everything that you've seen today?" [C laughs]

C: And he doesn't.

G: And you know what? Dean heard me. 'Cause he fucking looks at the burger and just wraps it back up. And Sam asks, “Are you okay?” And Dean was like, you know, “I felt for those sons of bitches back there. It's a life of torture. It turns you into something like that.” Sam says, "You were in Hell, Dean. Maybe you did what you did there, but you're not them. They were barely human.”

C: Jesus.

G: Dean goes, “Yeah. You’re right. I wasn't like them. [both] I was worse. [C laughs] They were animals, Sam, defending territory. Me? I did it for the sheer pleasure.” And then he reveals that when he was torturing souls, he enjoyed it. Because it felt like retribution for all the years of pain that he experienced. He said he didn't care about who they put in front of him, as long as he was able to inflict the pain that was inflicted on him. He goes, “No matter how many people I save, I can't change that. I can't fill this hole, [C laughs] not ever.”

C: I- yeah.

G: This scene, I was laughing all throughout it. Like, I'm being fucking for real. I was just laughing so hard. [C laughs] Because I don't know, it felt so like, "Damn. You did all that for this?" [both laughing] For fucking this? Jesus Christ!

C: Wait, what is "that" and what is "this" in your sentence?

G: Like, this entire episode was done so that this reveal could happen. I don't know. It's just so stupid. A stupid episode, a stupid reveal. Everything's so stupid. I love it!

C: To be fair, I think this reveal was better than the last episode reveal. So it's like, yeah, okay, you tortured people in Hell, because, like, it was the way to get out of torture. Cool. Who cares? At least, this is like, a little bit like, morally graying Dean, you know?

G: [laughs] Yeah, I guess.

C: Last episode was like, a total cop-out, like, "You were in Hell. It wasn't your fault. The end." At least this is something. And I think this is very in-character, but the writers often don't make Dean in-character in the way that he's in-character in my mind. So at least they did this one. Like, yeah, he does- like, he is a control freak sometimes, and also, he does feel resentment about the pain he's felt in his life, and he does want to hold power over other people and cause them pain sometimes to feel better. Like, that's him. Yeah, you got it. Good job. At least you're willing to admit that.

G: Yeah.

C: Sam will just say anything, though. [both laugh] What was that?

G: [laughing] Sam will literally say anything.

Well, okay. Do you have anything more to say about this scene, or should we do the exit stuff?

C: Oh, I figured you would have more thoughts about how Sam will say anything.

G: [laughing] I have no thoughts about this episode other than complete and baffled amusement.

C: Okay, how does Sam justify the demon blood stuff to himself, if, like, this is his attitude towards the world? [G laughs]

G: I don't think Jeremy Carver thought of that at all. [laughing]

C: I mean, that's a good point.

G: I think they were like, “Jeremy, we need you to do an episode where it's revealed that Dean tortured souls, and he liked it.” And he was like, “Okay!"

C: "I got it!"

G: He did not read a single other script from this epis- from this season.

C: I mean, this isn't the first time Sam has said totally out-of-pocket shit. [both laughing] Remember at the end of "Provenance" when he was like, "Well, some people are just born evil." [both laughing]

G: At least that makes sense because it's a belief system he has. He does believe that he was born evil.

C: Like, okay, you fucking Catholic. [both laughing] What is this one?

G: I don't fucking know what's wrong with this guy. [both laughing]

C: I mean, it's also, he could just be a girl on the phone with her friend where you go, "Yeah, literally. Literally, you did nothing wrong" to your friend even when they were the wrong one in the story.

G: Yeah.

C: Like, maybe he's just saying this shit to make Dean feel better. Like, maybe he doesn't even believe any of this.

G: Well, what did you think about this episode now that we have finished?

C: We recorded for 2 hours and 20 minutes? For what?

G: We have been recording for so long.

C: Just for us to say over and over again how stupid we think the episode is?

G: It is so stupid. The thing is, I feel like this is not typical Supernatural levels of stupid. I feel like Supernatural is constantly something, whether that is offensive, or like, distasteful, or sometimes good, you know? But it is often not this, like, just straight up like. "What? [C laughing] Why?" Like, that is the genuine emotion I felt watching this episode. So yeah.

C: Yeah. And also, there's no deleted scenes.

G: There's no deleted scenes. Guys, I'm so sad. Well, I guess we have to do Best Line/Worst Line.

C: Oh my god!

G: I don't even remember a single line from this episode. You know, I'm gonna start fresh and new and like, from up top, and I'll say, “It's impossible!" is my worst line. [C laughing] It's literally not impossible. It's completely possible. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

C: Well, I think my worst line is the one you pointed out, where Dean goes like, "Why would he say that?" for the reasons that you said. Like, I didn't even think like- the reasons I disliked it when I watched it was like, "Does Dean not know about slut-shaming culture?" But when you pointed out that it sort of implies that he thinks that she must have done something to deserve it, like, yeah, that's not it, really. Yeah. Worst line.

G: Yeah, I guess my worst line is the whole like, "She was barely human."

C: That too.

G: "She's an animal."

C: Yeah, no, instead of having a Best Line/Worst Line, let's just both have two worst lines for this episode. [both laughing]

G: [laughing] No, I think this episode deserves it, yeah. What's your second worst line? [both laughing] I mean, I was wracking my brain for a best line and I couldn't think of any, so, I think we can just do this instead.

C: Yeah, I think you've covered a lot of the worst lines. I think the one criticism that we haven't covered yet is all the “Well, we're in the country," "she's a backwoods hillbilly bitch" kind of shit. So one of those.

G: Hell yeah. Well, we have to do spreadsheets.

C: Yeah. Huh.

G: I don't think this episode particularly has anything.

C: Like, there's moments where I'm like, "This is a bad thing, and it did happen because the character's a woman," but like, it's not- it's like, a different flavor. Like, I don't know if it's like, truly misogyny.

G: Yeah.

C: Is it just a nothing episode?

G: It is a nothing episode, I think.

C: Yeah. alright. Cool. Have no clue what the fuck the IMDb scores would be.

G: I am willing to bet that this is low.

C: I- yeah, same.

G: I want to believe so bad that people saw this as stupidly as we did.

C: But also, the fact that it was on the like, scariest Supernatural episodes post that one time makes me- I don't know. Like, before I came into this episode, because of that post, I sort of thought that this was-

G: It was gonna be scarier.

C: Yeah, that this was gonna be like, a “Roadkill"-esque episode where it's decent and a little horror one-off that's like, good. So it's possible that people do view it that way because they're not as smart and cool as we are. Also like, I don't know it's got some- It's gotta be bad, right? It's gotta be bad. You say your number first.

G: I'll say 7.8

C: Oh my god, okay. I was gonna go with 8.1.

G: I'm betting low on this one.

C: I'm gonna go 8.1.

G: Okay. Let's see. Ooh! It's closer to me. It's a 7.9.

C: Interesting. Okay.

G: [laughs] The first one is, “This episode is so perfect. And so movie-like.”

C: I mean, it sure is like a movie that had no budget.

G: This scores 10/10. "The twists in the story are so unexpected."

C: Oh my god.

G: "You just do not see them coming."

C: I got in 7- 5 minutes in. All of it. All of it except for who put who in the wall, but- [G laughs]

Oh my, [overlapping] "This is one of my most favorite episodes of Supernatural. Shows how simple human beings can turn into bloodthirsty killers." You're right. This happens to everyone. Everyone gets put in the wall by their dad/grandad. What a good message. [both laughing]

G: [laughing] This was in 2015! So there were definitely better Supernatural episodes at this point.

C: God. [G groans] You know that one reviewer from Brazil who we never read anything from because they always just summarize the episode? I do just want to say that it's very nice to see them week by week, ending with like, "My vote is [number'," and then putting the title of the episode in Brazil at the end. Like, good for you for being here all the time.

G: Yeah.

C: Okay.

G: It is basically a summary, though, so we just pass by it.

C: Uh-huh. Okay, the next one's 5 out of 10. It says, “No plausibility.” Thank god.

G: “One of the scariest episodes, despite poor writing.” I think that's an understatement.

C: Yeah. They mentioned that it does make no sense for Danny to be so innocent that he doesn't think there's someone weird inside the walls.

G: This one points out the writing, like, "How are they literate enough to write the warnings?"

C: Yeah.

G: "One word was even [both] appropriately capitalized." [both laughing]

C: This person enjoyed the surprise of the brother. "Well, it did feel convenient for the writers. It was also unexpected in an episode of surprises." It- the fact that it was unexpected is part of why you should dislike it. Okay, anyway. They keep mentioning The People Under the Stairs being- I don't know what that is, but supposedly, it's similar to whatever this is.

G: I think it's like, "The Benders"? I don't know

C: No like, it's like, they capitalize The People Under the Stairs by Wes Craven. Like, it's some kind of a- let me see if it's like, a short story, or a movie or something. Not that it matters like, at all. Okay, it's a horror comedy film from 1991.

G: [laughing] "Some of the dumbest crap in the entire run is in this episode."

C: God bless.

G: "Maybe if the Winchesters didn't lose their common sense here, the final scene would play better. [both laughing] As it is, it is insulting covert subtext into text."

This review is basically saying that like, if you watch the last confession, you can basically infer what Dean is trying to say here.

C: I don't think so. Maybe I'm stupid.

G: Yeah, I don't know. And he's saying that it's common sense, and it's like, insultingly covert subtext into text. I respect that.

C: Yeah. Okay. So AnnaShade is back. AnnaShade does not have a rating, a number rating. But okay, the review reads, “First, an explanation for my exuberant and unfounded rating of 10 out of 10. I will be happy for any episode without angels, demons, Ruby or Anna, plus haunted houses are just so much fun.” And then you read further, and it says all they did was they saw the preview for this episode, and are excited to see it on January 10th.

G: [laughing] This is-

C: And then they said, "So I think it's gonna be a fun, spooky episode with Sam and Dean in a haunted house. I'll probably change this comment when I actually see the episode. But who knows?" AnnaShade never came back [G laughs] to change- But okay, but it doesn't say 10 out of 10. It has no rating. Did AnnaShade come back and take out the 10/10 because they were like, "Oh, no. [both] This was bad." But they didn't change their comment at all?

G: I support that.

C: Oh my god, AnnaShade didn't start during the first Anna episode. I'm looking at their history, and like, they were the one who titled the “Bloodlust” review, “shows just how deep the show goes.” [G laughing] They've watched House M.D.? They reviewed “Birthmarks” and titled it “good to have the guys back together.” "I've always been a huge fan of House and Wilson as best friends, the two have a great dynamic.” [G laughing] AnnaShade, call me. Let me study your brain. Who are you?

Anyway. Sorry, let's not get deep into- this isn't what the segment's about. Let's not get deep into insulting one specific person.

G: Yeah. This person points out that Sam and Dean are like, hulked-up men, and like, this woman is like, malnourished.

C: That's true.

G: And like, how is it possible that like, when they were doing hand-to-hand combat, like, Dean and the lady-

C: She has a knife.

G: Why did he- but he has something too, right? He was defending himself.

C: He was just punching, I think, at the beginning.

G: Okay. [laughing] I love-

C: What?

G: They go, "It was not the greatest episode." And you would think like, saying like, "It's not the greatest episode," "but it's okay," like, that's what you expect, right? But they say, "It's not the greatest episode, and it's a hiccup in the series as a whole," [laughing] and they end it there.

C: Wait wait wait, did you- okay, the one that mentions the malnourished thing. yeah, they also mentioned that, like, it just seems ableist to like, portray these characters as terrifying monsters, and it ends with “P.S. has anyone else noticed that Supernatural is oddly misogynistic?” [both laughing] Which- and then, “P.P.S Though in all fairness, the creators of Supernatural don't seem too fond of ethnic minorities or the handicapped either. Though these elements are not quite so pronounced as the veiled misogyny. And yeah, I'm a dude writing this review.” [G laughing] You know what? Good for you, dude. Like, [laughing] it took you four seasons, but I'm glad that this episode was finally bad enough that you finally had a reckoning and realized.

G: No, this one says, like, “I felt so sorry for the poor, pitiable girl and her brother, whom the makers of Supernatural wanted me to fear and hate." I think this is like, a good point in that-

C: Yeah.

G: - like, I feel like, if you- Well, I don't know anything about feral - is this considered feral children situation?

C: I don't know. Sure, yeah.

G: I guess it is because they were not- yeah, like, since they were kids. But like, you would expect, I feel like, they would be more scared of you than you are of them? But I don't know. How would I know?

C: That's true. Isn't like- I don't think that like, she's killed anyone before, like, the guy in the opening. So like, I don't know. Like, yeah. I don't think that she has a history of being aggressive. You're right. And like, the flashlight thing. Yeah, it does make more sense that she'd just be scared. Though, I mean, fear it does sometimes like, cause like, aggressive behavior, so. I feel like it's like-

G: No, but the attacking the two women in the shed, that was obviously portrayed as like, he was like, grinning and stuff, you know?

C: Right. Right.

G: Yeah. "Wasted my time watching it. [both laugh] I was so disappointed. But I waited until the end of the episode hoping that it will have at least have a nice ending. [both] Bad decision." [both laugh] It literally is.

C: It literally is a bad decision.

G: Yeah. This episode is really fun. I really enjoyed [C laughing] dunking on this one, if I'm being fucking for real.

C: Yeah. Yeah. I had a time. Was it good? Was it bad? Who knows. What's the next episode? Tell me Cas comes back, or I'll die. I'll just die right here.

G: Okay, well, let's do the outro.

C: Okay.

G: That's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next week, we will be discussing Season 4, Episode 12, “Criss Angel is a Douchebag.”

C: Oh, Ruby's in that one. Right?

G: Give us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts. I don't think so.

C: What? Are you sure?

G: Ruby is here, but Cas is not.

C: Oh, well, that's fine. As long as one of them's there.

G: This is the episode with the- with The Chief. "You haven't been had-" [laughs]

C: Oh my god, no. No, no, no, no! Dean hasn't been had until he's been had by The Chief?! [G laughing]

G: Yeah.

C: Oh my god, okay. I'm looking forward to whatever circumstance creates that scene. [G laughs]

G: Yeah.

C: Do I even say our Twitter in my outro anymore.

G: Sure, do it.

C: Should we just cut it? Like, no. Okay. We're still on Twitter? Okay, fine.

G: I mean, we do have a Twitter.

C: I guess we do have one. We haven't deleted it yet. Okay, follow us on social media.

G: If someone DMs us, we receive an email about it. So like- and I check our email, so like, I'll see it, yeah.

C: And we can't delete Twitter, because sometimes I do need to look at Tweets, and I do it through our account because I don't have one. [G laughs]

G: God. I wish, like- 'cause we share a YouTube sometimes. Like, I think we both forget to log out of our- like, we forget to change-

C: We forget to switch back to our personal YouTubes. So you see that I-

G: [laughing] So sometimes I see our YouTube history, and it is the funniest thing. And what I would give for us to see- for me to see your Twitter history on our account.

C: I mean, I'll tell you. It's just the Good Omens tag. [G laughs] Anyway.

G: I support that.

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