#norse horse discourse

[2ndstar-ontheright]

Coming from someone who's never seen the show, I have to admit something. I'm not proud of it, but it just popped into my head and won't leave me alone.

Jayce and Viktor remind me of Micheal and Jeremy. I don't even know why, I just thought of it. This damn musical won't go away evidently. Especially THOSE two. God help me.

I'm sorry.

[2ndstar-ontheright]

DEWBERTTTTT RELEASE ANOTHER CHLOSTINE FIC, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

hey guys I wrote for once

[super-hero-confessions]

Okay. I don't understand how it's gotten to this point with fans pulling made up shit about Loki from their asses but no.

NO.

Loki is not POC coded. He's not Jewish coded. He's not neurodivergent coded or whatever the fuck else.

HE IS 100% NORSE.

BASED OFF A NORSE TRICKSTER GOD WHO IS A KNOWN LIAR AND POT STIRRER THAT FUCKS WITH PEOPLE FOR FUNSIES.

CREATED BY NORSE FUCKING WHITE ASS WHITE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ICE AND SNOW AND FROST TO BE FUCKING DEADLY.

HE IS NOT "OTHER".

HE'S AN ASSHOLE WHO ENJOYS BEING AN ASSHOLE AND HAS ALSO SUFFERED SOME HARDSHIP BECAUSE HE IS SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES AND PLAYS RIGHT INTO THAT HAND.

Big. Fucking. Whoop.

ALL GODS IN ALL CULTURES ARE NEEDLESSLY CRUEL AND NEEDLESSLY SUFFER BECAUSE THEY WERE SYMBOLIC AND MADE TO EXPLAIN WHAT PEOPLE COULDN'T FULLY UNDERSTAND.

LOKI IS NOT SPECIAL BECAUSE HE RAPES A HORSE.

But you know what that really means? Loki plays into the cycle of abuse just like a normal person and then goes on and makes it worse by dishing it out on unrelated people who never did anything to him. Like, I dunno, all the goddamn humans he kills?

He's that psycho kid with a psycho dad who tortures ants because he can't find healthy ways to cope and it doesn't get much deeper than that.

Stop making shit up that.

EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE IN ANYWAY WOULD NEVER EXCUSE HIM BEING A GENOCIDAL MANIAC WHO CARES NOTHING FOR HUMAN OR JOTUN LIFE YOU FASCIST ILLITERATE FUCKS.

AND GUESS WHAT. LOKI OF MYTH NEEDLESSLY STARTS ALL THE SHIT THAT HAPPENS WITH THE OTHER GODS BY GETTING BALDR KILLED.

If you have to write paragraphs upon paragraphs of made up bullshit you call meta and headcanons or whatever the fuck to defend the idea of liking this guy beyond the shallow fact that you would never dare go this hard for someone ugly or god forbid actual myth Loki?

You do not actually give a shit about the character. At all. Because you don't actually see the character. At all.

Personally, I love Loki for what he is. A dark grey chaos loving trickster diva and selfish asshole god that fucks with people for fun and gets the story rolling. All of that is what makes him fun as a character while paying appropriate homage to the stories he came from in a way that still feels respectful of what ancient cultures were trying to convey.

But I also love the actual good Loki that people write in fanfic sometimes.

I don't love the posturing people use him for to inadvertently spread misogyny or even white supremacy that slips under the radar because fandom can't accept that their shit does stink and there ARE bad actors.

It is okay to like or love Loki. It is okay to want things to be better for him or to be written better for him. It is okay to write fanfic where he is all of the things you want him to be.

It is not okay to culturally appropriate and deny what he is canonically with made up bullshit pulled from your ass to pretend that Loki was justified when he was ATTEMPTING GENOCIDE. And it is especially not okay to then have the audacity to deny the fact that Loki has pretty privilege.

Fuck you people doing this shit. At this point I prefer those that actually admit they like him because he's hot. Because at least they don't go rabid and are fucking HONEST with themselves about this shit and about his character.

And above all?

LOKI IS FICTIONAL.

PEOPLE DON'T OWE YOU AN EXPLANATION FOR DISLIKING OR HATING HIM. DOING SO IS NOT AN ATTACK ON YOU. THEIR EXISTENCE DOES NOT CHALLENGE YOURS AND THEIR PERSPECTIVES ARE JUST AS VALID.

JUST LIKE YOU DON'T OWE THEM AN EXPLANATION FOR LIKING HIM. YOU DON'T EVEN NEED ONE. BECAUSE HE'S FICTIONAL.

Have civil discourse and discussion if you want to, try and get more people to like Loki and see the lighter grey in him even. But you do that by being NICE.

Not by being a dismissive, denying, bullying asshole that then pretends you have the moral high road over ultimately meaningless. Fictional. Bullshit.

I guarantee a majority of people who hate Loki now? It's not because Loki is imperfect or the "other". It's because his stans do everything they can to be toxic, hostile, and in turn make him look bad.

Even Loki's never attempted to justify his attempts at genocide. Escape accountability, sure. But not justify it.

[lokiinmediasideblog]

"I Remember it so you don't have to": MCU Loki in the 2010s: Rape Culture, Villain Queer-coding, and Homophobia

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I know Loki is Tumblr’s sweetheart since 2011 (and that subsets of Loki fans are insufferable, fuck those that harassed and singled out Kate Herron and Sophia Di Martino because Sylvie). But a part of me will always be protective of the character outside of Tumblr despite his popularity. I hate seeing bad takes about how Odin was a wonderful father and king, and Loki was just an ungrateful bastard.

Although Tumblr (and many AO3 fics) seem to excuse Loki of all wrongdoings (letting the Frost Giants in and the attempted genocide), I see the opposite outside of it, where he even gets blamed for Hela getting out of her imprisonment. And I have seen a horrible take saying that he should have been left to die as a baby because “he ruined Thor’s life” by some Odin apologist that clearly lied about liking Loki. So he seems to be quite polarizing in that respect based on social media of choice and demographic of users. And some people get a little weird about the Loki hate because how dare you like the sympathetic villain that isn't as masculine as the heroes (I will go more in detail and show some examples).

I joke around that I defend Loki from Redditors because I especially dislike the takes of cishet men that get offended when a girl said she preferred Loki over Thor, and pretend to be “concerned” over “impressionable young women and girls that will get into abusive relationships”. And if you haven’t seen those, well I did while growing up, and I took them personally.

The Nostalgia Critic, one of the men behind the death of media literacy and criticism, even made a video complaining about the phenomenon of Loki thirst. It made me spitefully not care about any other Avengers (2012) character. It’s still up on YouTube, and it was a bit patronizing. Also, he thinks Thor 1 Thor looks like a girl (joke?), make of that what you will...

There was also a propensity to make homophobic jokes about Loki in parody skits. Loki was not canonically queer yet in either the movies or the comics, but he was queer-coded and people could tell, based on the jokes and quips directed at him. There’s one parody skit where Thor and Loki go to court-appointed therapy and one of the jokes is that Loki likes to fuck himself with bananas or “plantains because they’re bigger.” One of the worst parody skits was The Key of Awesome’s Thor:TDW parody.

Loki is put into a “normal” prison instead of the “glowy” kind he kept escaping from. The main joke was Loki getting raped in prison. And that now he can’t act all “haughty” about Thor’s request for help, and is instead the "desperate" one. And you’ll see some old comments over how hilarious that is. And people arguing about how weak or powerful Loki is and bringing the Norse myth about him being raped by a horse into it as proof that the terrible “joke” makes sense and could happen in cannon.

An example that almost made it into the screen is a deleted scene in Thor Ragnarok that I refer to as “the director’s barely disguised fetish”, where instead of falling for 30 minutes, Loki gets locked in a portable restroom while men continuously enter to piss. Loki’s trying his best not to get pissed on. Thor opens the stall giggling, and of course Loki is rightfully angry about being trapped there. It seems to veer into the “bad guys deserve sexual assault as punishment” to an uncomfortable degree.

I often just keep quiet on MCU Loki defense discourse because:

1. Loki is a popular character with many defenders.

2. Subsets of Loki fans are ridiculous and use false pretenses to harass writers and actors. And the discourse that arises from this is mind-numbing and pointless.

But I remember all this crap from the early 2010s, and I am not fond of Loki being deemed "Just evil, whiny, and ungrateful". There’s also the very questionable tropes from earlier Thor comics (hell some of these should ellicit WAY more backlash than Sylki if you really care that much about rep). I also don’t like being told what characters I should and shouldn’t like, and I have taken that personally ever since.

A part of me feels a bit unintentionally gaslighted when people act like there was no backlash to Loki being popular. It has the same vibes as the increduloulity of Gen Z regarding how BAD homophobia in the 2000s and early 2010s was.

[upsetokaiba]

“loki loving sylvie is in character for him, after all, in norse myth, he fucked a horse!!!! so its not unbelieveable for him to fall for her!!!”

do you....do you guys hear urselves????

[pumpuwukin-sweeties]

I’ve seen a funny discourse about this game somewhere last year. It seems some people who have played the game wasn’t too familiar with the greek myths and was surprised the original has incest/things considered problematic and want the game cancelled. Somr antis agreed with them but a lot of people just made fun of them.

(Also, wasn't this done in Percy Jackson, too? I think it's the "they're not humans and have no dna so it's not incest." or so I've heard)

I found out "Hades" tone down the "incest greek god stuff", change the pantheon, etc etc to fit "Modern audience" and I'm just so baffled. I can get why they change some rapey story, but to just swap the greek god relationship to fit "modern audience" is just... Wow.

Idk, it feels kinda weird when they push "modern audience" when they are playing around with pantheons to "avoid incests" from a culture that still exists and a religion that still have worshipper.

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[ellenya]

Bruce (@rabbruad1) wrote:

‘Elle has crashed so many times that she’s now actually offering a crash COURSE.’

I’ve crashed into rows of gorses, Trojan horses, divorce courts and workforce demos. My crash course is a source of great discourse among our friends, and sends some of them hoarse, but it’s endorsed by the Norse concourse. I’m taking enrollments now, shall I put you down for a refresher Bru?

[loptrcoptr]

not mutuals but youre like the horse, norse and star wars discourse mutual (yes i had to make it rhyme)

Horse Norse... wawrse? Storrse? I’m trying

[gothmonsters]

Answer 21 Questions then Tagged 21 People

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[2ndstar-ontheright]

I don't wanna draw the gay dogs from tiktok as lesbians.

BUT THE PARASITES

[yeeclaa]

why do you ship th*rki? (this isn't supposed to be malicious im just kinda curious cuz there's a lot of discourse around this pair)

i like their chemistry, and think the discourse is ridiculous. it’s based off of fictional NORSE MYTHOLOGY characters. The canon thor and loki are pulled from? Loki gets fucked and impregnated BY A HORSE. (Odin then rides the horse as his steed too so) It’s really just not that deep.

And again it’s a nicely developed relationship. The ones who cry INCEST AHH well it’s actually pseudo incest since they’re technically not related. (or even the same species. Thor an asgardian and Loki and frostgiant.) In fact, my favorite aus for them are the ones where their non-relation is more prevalent. Rival princes from very different realms type things.

But all this isn’t to say i’m against shipping them for the brother pseudo-incest quality either. The fact of the matter is, this is all fictional. It’s an outlet often used as coping and recovery from ones own trauma and experience.

And honestly guys, @everyone You Are Not What You Get Off Too. Most of the nicest, and best irl people i’ve met are some of the nastiest “problematic” shippers. (myself included in that nasty regards definitely) And the Purity obsessed Antis or whatever? Well death-threats and needles in unsuspecting cookies aren’t exactly promising towards ones character, huh.

[askhewtahmas]

Puppet on a String || Solo Para

Word Count: 1,729

Warning: Like, one swear word.

Note: So, this took wayyyy longer than intended. But between struggling to find muse for Hew and being ill for two weeks, that’s just what had to happen. Still, I hope it was worth the wait and that you guys enjoy the big reveal ;)

Hew often remembered his dreams, so it didn’t feel too strange when the familiar weight of his subconscious fell on his shoulders, but rather like an old friend.

“Old friend, huh?” The voice made Hew jump as he turned to face where it had come from, only to frown as he saw the familiar bearded face seated on the armchair beside him.

“No way...” He trailed off, approaching the man who seemed rather smug with himself, although he couldn’t for the life of him pinpoint why.

“What? Aren’t you happy to see me?” The man frowned, teasingly, before leaning forward. His attitude, however, caused Hew to take a step back. He wasn’t an idiot, he knew that something was off.

“I don’t know, it’s been a while. Besides, you’re imaginary.” He argued, although he doubted that he sounded particularly convincing with the way his voice wavered. “...Right?”

“In a way.” The man replied, with a shrug. “You’ve only ever seen me in your head - illusions, magic tricks, that kind of thing. But I can assure you that I am very real.”

“Then, who are you?”

“Loki, Norse god of mischief and fire,” The man suddenly disappeared, causing Hew to spin around frantically until he caught sight of the man in a low bow behind him, “at your service.”

“...Get out of my head.”

“Now now-” Loki gestured weakly as he took a few steps towards the younger, dark haired man.

“I said get out of my head, now!”

“No need to cause a ruckus. I only came to ask for your assistance.” Loki fired back, now more sure in his movements.

“Assistance?” Hew hesitated.

“Yes, assistance.”

“And why would I want to assist you?”

Hew wouldn’t admit it, especially not to Scotta, but he was a nervous wreck. He hadn’t particularly cared about who their biological parents were until they were suddenly expected to meet them. He knew that he needed to at least look strong, since his sister had always been the sensitive one, but he wasn’t sure how. Putting on a front usually came so easily to him, but this time the wall just wouldn’t come up.

This discourse within himself almost caused him to miss the light sobbing from behind the door he’d been pacing in front of. A door that he knew lead to his parents’ bedroom. With a worried crease in his forehead, he gently knocked before poking his head in. The brunette hair quickly gave away exactly who it was, and the quick movement of her hand to wipe away her tears gave away that she hadn’t been expecting him.

“Oh, H-Hew. What are you doing here? Shouldn’t you be-” Isobel began, still sniffling, as Hew gently shut the door behind himself.

“What’s wrong?” He asked as he sat next to her, now able to visibly see her body shaking from the effort to stop the tears.

“It really doesn’t-”

“Don’t you dare say it doesn’t matter.” Hew warned. “You’re clearly upset, you’re crying for God’s sake.” Isobel sighed as she ran a hand through her tangled locks, clearly still trying to hide her tear stained cheeks.

“You don’t want to hear about my problems, not right before-” This time Isobel cut herself off as more sobs fell from her lips.

“Isobel, you’re my mother. For you I have all the time in the world.”

“Why, because I’ve been dealt a great wrong, of course. You were always the nice one, after all.”

“I can’t imagine you didn’t get anything that you didn’t deserve.”

"I may have indirectly killed a man, I'll admit it. But does that mean my sons deserved to be murdered? My children to be banished? My wife to suffer?"

“...What?” Hew questioned, blinking.

“Oh, you don't know? Either no one told you, or you just never paid any attention.” Loki began, condescendingly. “I was - involved, shall we say? -  in the murder of Baldur, Odin and Frigga’s favorite child.” The look he sent Hew implied that he had expected this to upset him in some way, but he remained stoic, causing the god to roll his eyes in disappointment. “Now, I understand my own punishment. Of course, I was only messing around, but I more than anyone can understand the anger and distress that comes with the loss of a child. Your father did murder two of my own sons after all; simply so their insides could be used as my chains. I was locked away with my mouth sewn shut as a venomous viper drools onto my face for the rest of my days. But that wasn’t enough for him. The monster then allowed my wife to stay with me in my captivity, holding a bowl above my head just to keep the venom away. But even she has to occasionally empty the bowl.”

The look of combined horror and disgust on the Scottish prince’s face confirmed that the blond had him hook, line and sinker.

“I, I thought your children were banished?” Hew replied, dumbly, as if wanting some semblance of good news from the man before him. Loki sighed dramatically.

“A few were, yes. Fenrir, Jormugand and Hel were taken from me, and from the halls of Asguard, because your kind found them to be too monstrous. Sleipnir was only allowed to stay to serve as the king’s steed.” The last part was spat, clearly a particularly sore spot for the father. Because of this, Hew opted not to ask how the humanoid had a horse for a child. “So, tell me, young prince, do you really think that I ‘didn’t get anything that I didn’t deserve?’“

The news hit the twins like a brick. They had always assumed that their parents had been regular people, nothing special.

“Turns out he had a wife at home. Kids, too. Even grandchildren.” Caroline, their biological mother, continued. Although at this point it seemed more akin to nervous rambling, with which Hew doubted his and his sister’s silence was helping. A glance over at Scotta confirmed that she wasn’t going to intervene any time soon, so he took it upon himself.

“So, he was an ancient, seductive asshole?”

“To put it lightly, yes.” Caroline seemed to find more humor in the situation than either of them, but he supposed that she’d also had seventeen more years to accept it.

“Great. Just, great.”

“...No.” Hew sighed.

“Then we have an understanding.” Loki’s grin was sad on the surface, but Hew missed the smugness underneath.

“So, what do you want me to do?”

“It’s simple, really.” The blond began as he started circling around the younger man. “I need you to release me from my prison.”

“And how am I suppose to do that?” Hew shifted on his feet, trying his best to keep his eyes on the man before him.

“If you’d let me finish then I’d tell you.” Loki snapped. “I’ll help you get to where I’m held - it will be easier to communicate with you once you’re nearer to me. The largest issue is going to be the giant snake guarding me, but a strapping young archer such as yourself shouldn’t have much trouble with that.” He winked.

“Then what?” Hew asked, carefully.

“Then we steal a golden apple, make you a god, and get even.”

“Get even?”

“Your father ruined my life, ruined my children’s lives, and hardly improved your own. I’d say it’s time he had a taste of his own medicine, don’t you?”

By this point Isobel was openly sobbing into her son’s arms as she spoke, having given up any semblance of calm that she had formally been attempting to uphold. To Hew’s credit, he simply stroked her back and listened.

“I-I just, I know that we haven’t been the best parents, me and Merida. We’ve been so busy and we probably weren’t ready - I mean, we were so young.”

Hew had grown use to this over the last few minutes; Isobel starting to say something before hiccuping and losing her train of thought, causing her to quickly move on to a different topic that tended to span the same umbrella.

“But we loved you - we still do. You and Scotta. But now your actual mother’s here and what if you prefer her? What if you click and leave us all alone in this giant, empty castle-” Hew finally decided that he didn’t want to listen anymore.

“Isobel, look at me.” He commanded as he carefully turned his mothers face, gently brushing away her tears as he did. “She may have given birth to us, but that’s all she’s done. You and Merida took us in despite everything, and you raised us as your own. Sure you were busy, but you were there as much as you could be, and I promise you that we’re not going to up and leave you for a woman we knew for maybe two minutes as newborns. You’re our mother, and Merida’s our mother too. As far as we’re concerned this woman is just the uterus that we came from.” Luckily that last comment got a small chuckle, although it didn’t quite stop the water works.

“Thank you. I suppose I needed that.” Isobel sniffled, wiping away at her own face in an attempt to make herself look presentable again as she offered her son a wobbly grin. Rolling his eyes, Hew clutched Isobel further into his chest, before burying his face into her hair as he continued.

“Stop it, you’re gonna make me cry too.” He shook his head, laughing a little as tears pricked at his own eyes. “But for the record, you’re welcome.”

“Yeah, actually. I think I do.”

“Then it looks like we have an agreement, DunBroch. Or do you prefer Odinson now?” Loki asked, a smirk on his face as the dreamscape distorted around him.

“It’s McKendrick-DunBroch.” Hew replied stiffly, crossing his arms.

“Whatever you say.” Loki grinned, stepping into his personal space. “So, do we have a deal?”

Despite his heart telling him that he was doing the right thing, Hew’s head had never felt more like a lamb to the slaughter. When he shook the god’s hand, it was as if he was signing his own death warrant, yet he didn’t feel guilty. Not one bit.

“We have a deal.”

“Then what are we waiting for?”

[godsdamnednamethieves]

We need more people in on this conversation! We need a Norse Horse Intercourse Discourse Force

I can't tell, are you deliberately being a transphobe or are you just uneducated??

I'm literally transgender

[brilliantfantasticgeronimo]

Proposed coat of arms for Xena, Warrior Princess

Blazon

Escutcheon: Per pale,

1- Sable, a lyre Sable inflamed Or.

2- Or, a saltire thorny Sable.

Crest: an annulet divided embattled, the outside Sable, the inside Or.

Supporters: on dexter a horse rampant Sable dressed in semy of triskelions Or, on sinister a horse rampant Or dressed in semy of triskelions Sable. For compartment, two mountain peaks withstanding a rippling sea.

Motto: Omniperitas (latin: skiled in all things, all skillful)

Something I’ve wanted to design since starting season 1 of Xena...feels sf liberating to finally be able to present it as a finished thing lol

A rationale behind my design choices follows ahead.

Following standard heraldic practices of marshalling for married couples (halving a CoA and displaying the arms of the spouses in each side) this is actually serving as a design for both Gabrielle and Xena. 

Gabrielle’s arms are on the left, accounting for her higher rank as sovereign of the Amazon nation... the art is a very succinct symbolism: a lyre on fire, representing her “battling bard” life story.

Xena’s, on the right, were also a very straightforward design... a Very Fancy X... simplistic, but I feel that simplicity fits Xena’s no-nonsense personality (and as per the norse trilogy, we know this is how Xena signs her letters, so there’s some canon precedent for this Zorro-esque personal inginia). 

The colors of the overall achievement are gold and black, following the design of Xena’s iconic outfit. Likewise, the celtic patterns on the horses are a callback to the aesthetic of her armor (which “Destiny” reveals is indeed celtic inspired). Also, I tried to emphasize with these patterns and ‘halving’ of light/dark the iconography of dualism (dao, ying-yang) that the show evokes constantly in its philosophical discourse.

About the supporters... out of all possible animals, I thought horses were the most appropriate choices because canonically Xena has a great deep affinity for them, but also because the amazons in classical myth are heavily associated with horses (and although in-universe, Xena’s not an amazon, she functions as that kind of cultural and mythological figure). The light-colored horse and dark-colored horse were at first sketched as representing Gabrielle’s horse from “Animal Attraction” and Xena’s ~loyal steed~, Argo...but then I thought since they kind of are in each other’s colors (blonde and brunette) you could also see it as them holding/supporting the other up...the shippier and therefore superior explanation.

Finally, to knock down the last bits of symbolism... the crest is Xena’s choice weapon, but with the silver bits changed to black so it fits the composition. The stormy sea is a poetic image for the fury in Xena’s temper, and her affinity with water. The helmet design was partly based on the one she wears briefly on “When Fates Collide”. The motto is self-evident (uh, I hope).

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[ellenya]

Bruce (@rabbruad1) wrote:

‘Few are aware of Elle’s prowess as a jockey. But, indeed, she’s been clocked in at speeds higher than 90.’

A horse is a horse, and goes faster of course when it’s in a train with a power source and a nationally enforced speed rail system! Sadly the judges won’t endorse my efforts, stating a divorce betwixt me and the racecourse. My old Norse horse and I had a unique discourse with the judges leading to a disqualification and much remorse. Sorry guys!