#noah schnapp you deserve the world

[byler-alarmist]

I know that Mille must've known, from the way she made that comment on the S4 promo about Noah not having a gf yet and she went on this vague and hilarious "we're working on that.....finding....someone...who's sexy for you....." Before he shushed her up like "STFU" 😂😭

EDITED: I misheard it, she said "someone who accepts you for you" and that somehow makes it even better!!!! 😂 @strangercoco Tumblr won't let me reply to any comment about thank you for the correction!

[peenor]

BOYCOTT STRANGER THINGS SEASON 5 I am NOT joking.

[clericxhood777]

They're going to make Byler canon

Is Gay, ships Byler

Plays gay/bi characters, ships Byler

The kiss and it being canon is def happening between these two

[byliever]

Happy Birthday to Noah Schnapp!

[byler-alarmist]

So the 2-page letter front and back Finn jokes about in the other interview was real...?!

On how Noah is like Will

[luv4byers]

nightmares - w.b.

heyyy! i'm literally listening to revolting children from roald dahl's matilda please don't come at me its an amazing song. i'm also really sick. i stole the van script and put little chips of it in here <333

warnings: will having a nightmare, mentions of death, and my bad writing

pairing: will byers x male reader

word count: 809

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

it's been a full week. it was all over, and we were sort of alright. after everything that happened, everyones still recovering from it. max is brain dead, her bones are broken, and she's blind. but her heart still beats, thanks to el. poor lucas thinks its his fault. dustin is still sad about eddie's sacrifice, but at least robin was able to take vickie for herself.

but what also worried me was will. jonathan would tell me how will would wake up in a cold sweat, scared that the beasts of the upside down would come back to cause harm to us, especially after dealing with his connections to the upside down.

but, will was visiting hawkins, and he was staying at my place for the night. ms. byers and my mom were best friends, because they graduated together and worked at the same place for a while.

and that's when i met will.

ms. byers, jonathan, and will would come very often to visit us. it was one of the best things that ever happened to me, because will and i grew up to be best friends. we grew up together.

we went through the tragedies of the upside down, getting bullied at school, and dark stormy nights together.

and gosh, i was happy to see him again, without having to deal with the upside down.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

jonathan, ms byers and will already arrived at our house. "ah joyce! i missed having you just around the corner, and having you at work." my mom said. "and make yourselves at home!".

i hugged will, jonathan, ms. byers, el, and hopper.

"will! i missed you! you'll be staying the night in my room, you can drop your stuff there." we climbed up the steps to my room. "my mom's still setting things up- and talking up a tornado with your mom, it's like they haven't seen each other in several years. it'll take a while, so you can go and change. i bet you had a long day"

"alright y/n, thanks!" he picked up his duffle bag, and entered the bathroom.

he came out of the bathroom. "y/n, sorry to ask, but i forgot to pack a t shirt. i have a sweater but it's a bit warm, do you mind if i borrow one of your shirts?"

"yeah, of course you can."

"thanks y/n."

he straight up pulled his sweater off, and wore my shirt. i had no idea why my face was heating up.

i mentally cursed myself for looking at my best friend like that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

we had dinner alongside a great conversation. ms. byers and hopper were gonna occupy the guest bedroom, and ms. wheeler offered to take el and jonathan for the night.

i pulled out my sleeping bag for tonight, and reassured will i was okay sleeping with a sleeping bag.

"are you completely sure you don't wanna sleep on the bed? i mean it's your bed, not mine, so you should sleep on it." will mentioned.

"it's fine, you're the guest here will. besides, it's one night. the sleeping bag won't murder me in my sleep." i responded.

"fine y/n. there's space if you change your mind."

"goodnight, will."

"'night y/n."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i couldn't sleep, due to so many questions flooding my mind, such as:

was it wrong to love my best friend like this?

why did he mesmerize me so much?

but what if it was one-sided? will could choose anyone he wants.

stupid, stupid, stupid.

and i heard will's breathing get heavier, and heavier, until he stirs violently.

"will? will! will, wake up." i whispered loudly.

i shook him gently, which was enough to wake him. "will, are you okay?"

i feel dumb. of course he wasn't okay. "y-yeah i'm fine." i didn't believe him.

"you're not fine. i know it. just take your time, and it's fine if you don't feel like telling me."

i sat on the bed, right next to him, and hugged him. he was shaking. his breathing was unsteady. so i gently whispered in his ear,

"breathe in for 5 seconds, breathe out for 5 seconds. until you start to feel more steady."

i held his hand and he followed, and his breathing became more steady, and he stopped shaking.

"i'm sorry y/n, i've been dealing with this for a while already and i should be able to deal with it myself." he apologized, and for something that he can't control.

"don't apologize will. with experiences like that, it's hard to get it out. no one's gonna hurt you. as long as i'm here, i won't let anything hurt you."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"just get on the damn bed and sleep." will whisper-shouted

"fine.." i was spooning will, and fell asleep.

one thing's for sure,

that was one of the best rests i've ever had.

[lordystrange]

Here I am, late at night, thinking thoughts…

I realized that there is at least one point of view I’ve yet to see in this Noah discourse, and I’m brave enough to make a post about it, so here we go:

{I’m happy to clarify anything I say in this post. So don’t assume. Ask.}

Thank you Noah Schnapp for making mistakes so I didn’t have to.

Thank you for posting about your feelings in the first place. It made me do research about Israel and Palestine.

Thank you for liking those islamophobic posts. It made me wonder how easy it is to hurt people while supporting other people. (Also thank you for unliking them.)

Thank you for being in that video with those stickers. It made me really read up on zionism and it’s complex history and different interpretations.

Thank you for making the clarification tiktok. It made me notice how differently people react and interpret things, due to their own experiences in life.

Thank you for getting me involved and making me listen and learn and think.

Thank you for trying your best to unlearn and learn and grow, even if you can’t directly show it to the world.

Seriously, Noah being uneducated about the topic did more good to the world than him being educated about it in the first place would have done. He made people do their own research and to talk about it. If he’d done a post saying ”free palestine,” people would have forgotten about it in 3 days. Maybe in a week if that had made him get fired like Melissa Barrera.

Mistakes are the portals of discovery. We learn more from failure than success.

So, thank you Noah. I know you’ll probably beat yourself up over this forever (and so will do the people who’ve yet to learn what humanity means). But I hope you’ll have at least a few moments of enjoyment on set. You deserve it after making me and many others learn and do better. And you also deserve it because you’re a human and making mistakes doesn’t mean you shouldn’t ever be happy again.

[And before anyone comes at me: You can (and you should) acknowledge that there are innocent people suffering on both sides. It’s not antisemitic or islamophobic to do so.]

[Another disclaimer: I am aware of the pain he caused with this and I don’t mean to downplay it. But acknowledging that pain and acknowledging everything I said in this post can co-exist.]

💚

[yesimtrashforit]

Ok, first and foremost, Rest In Peace Liam Payne. I was never really a listener of One Direction, but you can't deny that he had a wonderful talent and made an impact on so many people's lives. He made so many people happy and that is a beautiful thing. I really wish his family and friends comfort and peace during this hard time. The stuff that TMZ did was absolutely disgusting, by the way. Completely inhumane and disrespectful. Losing a family member, a friend, a brother, is one of the hardest things in the world and that happening with media swarming over every detail is not normal. My condolences to them.

Now, as a long-time fan of Stranger Things, I recently heard that SOME people are saying some absolutely terrible things like "why liam, it should've been noah schnapp." I know I've avoided posting about Noah's whole controversy because I know that it's a touchy subject for so many people and the reason I usually come on here is to provide a break from that chaos and bring people together.

It is my opinion that no matter what you think of Noah and what he has said or not said, it is certainly disrespectful to Liam Payne's family, friends, and memory to rope in a completely unrelated situation to all this.

I think it's somewhat pointless to even form a strong opinion on his situation, considering that these are people most of us have never and will never meet or know personally. These are real people. I can't believe that is something that gets confused and forgotten.

Putting that somewhat aside for a second, I just feel so strongly about standing up to hate and prejudice especially when it results in bullying. You may agree with what I say, you may disagree and that is fine. But at the end of the day, if you're wishing someone you don't even know dead, you're a part of this problem.

Like I said, I obviously don't know Noah personally, and I'm not going to be the person who's like "well, he clearly has good intentions!" because I don't know that. Taking a surface-level opinion on this, I think it is kind of understandable for people to think of him as a bit ignorant for what he's said or done. We're human beings, we're judgy as hell. Despite that, it is unjustifiable to send homophobic and anti-semetic messages to anyone. No one deserves that. I really hope that Noah is staying safe through all this. I wouldn't wish this upon anyone. This conflict overseas is messy and complicated and I believe it is counterproductive to focus on people's opinions about it, rather than the issue as a whole.

Whether he likes it or not, Noah has influence and it's a tricky thing. No one is perfect and we should stop expecting that from people who we don't know. And that's that. Things may or may not have been misrepresented or misconstrued, but that is irrelevant in this case. He's a young actor with a platform and he has used that to voice how he feels. He may or may not fully understand what the implications of that are and that is not my place to judge. Has his opinion on this conflict changed the fact that hundreds of thousands of people for the past year have been massacred and are going through unimaginable suffering? Likely, no.

But I understand people's anger.

Like so many of you, I am absolutely appalled and disgusted and heartbroken by the loss and pain that has been happening overseas and I am deeply frustrated and angered that the IDF and Hamas are committing and have committed these atrocities against innocent people. Families that have been torn apart, homes and businesses and schools gone. Words cannot express how unbelievably horrific that is. From human being to human being, I sincerely and deeply hope that this will end. Every human life is so precious and valuable. Please please please remember that.

To anyone in Gaza or anyone who has been affected by this, I can't imagine what you're going through, but know that there's millions of people overseas who are praying and hoping for your safety and happiness. Everyone deserves a chance at a safe, healthy and secure life.

No matter where you stand, I implore you to not get caught up in petty drama and remember what really matters: donating, memorializing people who've lost their lives, supporting others in need and spreading peace and love in the face of violence.

Violence is never the answer.

Be kind and respectful to one another.

Once again, rest in peace Liam. You are very loved and missed.

I know I mainly focused on Noah's situation here, but that is not what matters right now. I just wanted to get that out there. Instead, let's remember a great and talented musician today, okay?

-Allie

[starreadssstuff]

Noah Schnapp handing out “ Zionism is sexy” stickers while people are literally dying in Gaza and Palestine is fucking disgusting. In what world would you hand out stickers helping the case of people who are literally murdering men, women and children are you out of your mind? the world has really gone to shit. I really hope that his career goes to shit, maybe not now but god I hope he gets what he deserves. I beg you please harass your representatives, sign petitions. Do what you can even if you think you have no platform, ONE call (if you live in the US) can make a difference. Don’t ignore what’s happening because you want to live in a bubble. Call for a cease fire immediately. I have seen people cancel big creators over the smallest things. If you can harass, those people harass your representatives call them nonstop. If you think you can’t help and you have tiktok go use one of the filters. 4,000 children. 10,000 people. Your silence hurts more than you think.

[bobgoesw00t]

I wanna take a moment to talk about a few things in regards to the comments and discussions this post on twitxter has brought up, as basically 99.99% of the comments are all the same thing over and over and over again.

A. First off, if you plan on boycotting the final season because of the various things Noah Schnapp has been up to in his personal life/social media when it comes to the conflict in Gaza...don't even fucking bother. Stranger Things is on its final season now so there's literally NO POINT IN BOYCOTTING IT AS IT'S ALREADY AT THE FINISH LINE!!!!!!! If this happened even before the last season, then I would understand the need to boycott it, but we're not...we're on the FINAL SEASON....so if you don't want to watch it, please SHUT THE FUCK UP, DON'T WATCH IT, AND LET THOSE OF US WHO WANT TO SEE HOW IT ALL ENDS ENJOY IT!!!!!

B. Seeing as how all of this "boycott the final season" crap is stemming from Noah's stance on the Gaza conflict and that he's a Zionist, all of you dumb fuckers are forgetting one VERY CRUCIAL ASPECT: THE CONFLICT IS ONE OF THE LONGEST (if not THE LONGEST) TUG-OF-WARS BETWEEN RELIGIOUS GROUPS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR PLANET!!! This debate over which religious folk deserves the land has been happening for centuries now, and there are SO many layers to it that it's gotten to the point where unless someone builds a time machine to go back to when the core issue of the conflict happens, witness it and bring back irrefutable proof for all to see...the only real "answer" (if there even is one right now) is that both sides are neither right nor wrong...just in some sort of weird purgatory. Hell, even if someone DID use a time machine to go back and bring proof, there would be a good chunk of people who would disagree with what was brought forth.

C. Noah Schnapp isn't a god...HE'S FUCKING HUMAN AND HUMANS ARE NOT PERFECT!!!!!!! Everyone, AND I MEAN EVERYONE makes mistakes and has their own thoughts on various things that are a part of the world we live in today. Just because ONE PERSON says or does something you don't agree with, and/or their friend/s agree with them or remain friends with them, doesn't mean it's the end of the world. In the event it happens to be a celebrity of a wildly popular show on Netflix, feel free to say your stance on the issue, then please SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! No one is FORCING YOU TO WATCH THE SHOW/MOVIE OR SUPPORT ANYONE WHO WORKS ON IT. Not to mention EVERYONE IN ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION.

My personal stance on the crap that's happening in Gaza is that as someone who doesn't have all the facts but believes humans should learn to accept one another regardless of any differences we may have...I don't actually have a stance, rather I'm very neutral and find both sides to be at fault. Same thing with Noah Schnapp, I don't know him personally, and the only time I really hear anything about him or other celebs is if they're trending on tumblr and I just randomly happen to check that part of the website. Therefore, I can't agree with his actions, but I also can't condemn them as I don't have all the facts and I really don't care that much about what he does in his personal time.

More people need to learn how to separate celebs from other aspects of life and remember that they're human just like the rest of us, they make mistakes and either learn from them or don't. ...I also feel like people need to avoid social media more often as it tends to be a place where negativity festers into something that can consume you until you're nothing but a toxic husk of who you once were.

Now despite what I first said, feel free to boycott the final season of Stranger Things if you want to, I won't stop you just like you can't stop me from watching it to see how the journey all these characters have been on concludes. Let people make their own decision on if they want to boycott or not, and if they decide not to, respect their decision and don't harass them about how, "THEIR SUPPORTING GENOCIDE" especially when BOTH SIDES ARE GUILTY OF THAT!!!

[batboyblog]

The person who called noah schnapp the f slur said they are gay, but like i don't give a shit? Calling yourself that word is one thing, but calling someone else it? Fucking weird

people can claim whatever on the internet maybe they are, maybe they're not idk

like you said, you can say it about yourself. I will if a friend does something very "gay" I will say "omg you're so gay" and follow it with "and I fucking love it" or "it's amazing!" because we do live in a world where any outward signs of queerness/gayness is often viewed very negatively so yes it can be a tongue and cheek way to celebrate someone's queerness

but this person clearly was not trying to celebrate Noah Schnapp and his gayness. They were clearly using faggot to mean that Noah was a person who deserves less, indeed implied that his gayness is part of the reason he should be fired. The person was clearly using the implications of faggot that someone is a stupid, unserious, flighty, person when they threw that label at Noah Schnapp

and finally just like maybe that person was queer, whatever, when you throw something like that out into cyberspace everyone can see, everyone, and like do we really think all 14,000 people who liked that were gay? and using the world as a reclaimed slur? OR? do we think we're making permission for the world's worst people to think its okay to call people slurs when they don't like them? or don't agree with them? people's right not to be called a slur is not conditional.

[auriandcats]

i literally just saw someone say noah schnapp only came out for attention and he doesn’t deserve all this love and support because he’s famous and will never understand the real struggles of a "normal" queer kid. what the hell??

keep in mind noah has a very large fan base and a ton of people who look up to him. he is a well known actor, who has played a MAIN character, in one of the most successful shows in the world. he is so lucky to have family, friends and fans who support him and i admit that. but that does not give you the right to invalidate his internal struggles at all??

because of him being very well known, that makes it so much scarier for him to come out. while he may have supportive family and friends, that doesn’t mean everyone else will support him. millions of people are now aware of the fact that noah schnapp is gay, and so many of those people are happy and proud of him, but others are literally publicly hating on him and telling him how he’s disgusting and wrong.

noah might not see all these posts of hate, but he very probably still knows they exist. while he may not know the people behind the screens, they can definitely still hurt. just because he has thousands of online supporters does not mean he hasn’t struggled. the fact that he was brave enough to share this information with so many people is already so insane and admirable. he did not do that for attention.

seriously?? in what world would a person publicly announce to the entire world that they’re queer and take the risk of getting sent death threats, publicly humiliated, shamed and maybe even hatecrimed if they weren’t gay? some people really need to sort their shit out because saying stuff like this is sickening.

also saying things like "i always knew" or "what about millie/zendaya?" can be just as harmful. we do not know noah personally, we do not have the right to make those jokes. and even if we did, it’d be a pretty shitty thing to say to someone. if i came out to someone I care about and all they said was "i know, you’ve always seemed fruity" i would literally lose my shit. like do you know how much courage it takes to tell someone that?

i swear if i see one more straight person say something like "aww now i can’t marry him"/i swear he liked millie?"/"hes always acted zesty" i will riot. just say you’re proud and move on.

[millhavenn]

Reddit repost 2—Stranger Things subreddit.

There was a post about them yesterday, but it got locked because people decided to make it about a ship war rather than an appreciation of how great their friendship is.

Really looking forward to seeing them actually work together in season 5, because both should have pretty major roles hopefully. Will understands Vecna like no one else does, and I think that’s going to be key to beating him. And with both Mike’s girlfriend and best friend being important to the fight, there’s no way that Mike can’t be involved.

Hoping we can get a scene with Will being honest with Mike about how he feels, because his character deserves it. There’s a zero percent chance that Mike would be anything other than accepting of him, and Noah Schnapp would no doubt crush the scene, like he did with the van scene in season 4.

The van scene was one of my top 3 favourite scenes this season, because whilst heartbreaking, it perfectly displayed how strong their friendship is. The way Will was able to know how Mike was hurting, put his own feelings aside to recognise how important El was to Mike, and capture how important Mike was to both El and himself was beautiful. He knew how much it hurt him to see Mike in love with El, but he helped his best friend anyway. Unrequited love is hard, but Will powers through it.

Edit: Ok I didn’t plan on writing this much, it kinda just happened.

Yeah I was in that posts comment section. It is part of the reason why I made this. I wanted to see what exactly caused people to react in such a negative way.

I still don’t know what caused it. But this post is doing incredibly well, and I am glad. It is a very small step to bringing back some sort of calm to this community! Lol

I agree with everything you said. I am hoping and praying that a coming out scene is written into the script for season 5. After everything he has gone through, Will deserves the relief, comfort, and safety that comes with sharing your true identity to the people that will love you unconditionally.

A Mike + Will duo/partnership in season 5 would be AMAZING. I need to see them fucking up a bunch of demo(gorgon/bat/dog)s side-by-side. The two of them saving the world together (or helping to) would be a beautiful way to bring their storylines to a close—they both get their revenge on those that had caused them, and the people they love, pain.

It does not matter if it is platonic or romantic—the final blow should be theirs and I will die on this hill !!

I think the negative reactions come as a result of any perceived implication that their relationship is romantic; as whilst majority of fans are relatively positive towards their friendship, the common consensus around here is that it’s just that, a friendship. And whilst I personally agree with that judgement, the constant desire to turn any mention of their friendship into a ship war is tiring.

Seeing Mike get his hands dirty to defend El and Will from some monsters would be a sight to behold, and it’d be cool to see Mike confront Vecna similar to when he tried to take on Billy in the sauna in season 3.

In regards to the “final blow”, I’m about 99% sure this will still technically go to Eleven. But I don’t think it’ll be as simple as El holding out her hand and screaming whilst everyone cheers her on. There’ll be multiple layers to the fight, which is where the rest of the kids, and the adults will come into it.

That is really sad to me, but yoy are right. Hopefully that mob (sort of) mindset changes. I feel that I would be able to have many lovely discussions (such as this one) with users here if implications of romance were not taken so personal.

And the above applies to both sides.

For anybody wondering, my post is not alluding to a specific dynamic in regards to Mike and Will. Users have been lovely thus far of sharing their own interpretation of their dynamic in a mature, and quite beautiful, way. It makes me happy, and I hope it stays this way, even if for a little longer.

Is that wishful thinking?

Yes!! I say Mike Wheeler should be given a chainsaw in season 5. Nancy/Will teaching him how to shoot a gun would be great, as well. There is a lot of potential in season 5, if they choose to go the apocalyptic route, really.

Oh yeah, definitely. I am sure a bunch of powerless teenagers would not stand a chance against powerful entities, such as Vecna and the Mind Flayer, on their own.

That was a joke on my part, but it would be funny if Will just, like, walks up while Vecna is at his weakest, and hits him on the head with a random chair. Imagine going through all of that evil planning, nearly winning in your attempt to control the world, only to die by a random gay kid. I would cry

You definitely do see a similar mindset with other aspects of show. Whenever there’s a post celebrating Mike and El’s love for each other, you’ll usually find someone going out of their way to tell everyone how “fake” or “toxic” they are together. Like I get that Reddit is a platform for sharing opinions, but sometimes I wonder would it not be easier to just downvote and keep scrolling, rather than offering a factually incorrect assessment? Same thing here for when people suggest Mike has been a bad friend to Will.

Maybe just a healthy dose of optimism.

Honestly as long as we get a decent scene with Will standing up to Vecna, I’ll be happy. The poor kid has spent the past two seasons in the back seat.

TLDR: I agree with you big time, and that should be a mindset everybody has!

It most definitely would be.

I feel that there are people who do want to have proper discussions with others of differing opinions, hence why they do not downvote and move on, but it has become clear that it is not something which is possible in the subreddit. Regardless of your preference towards Mikes relationship with Eleven, or Mikes relationship with Will, you are going to receive an immature response. It is best to ignore.

There is a minority in this situation that does deserve more support than what they are currently being given, however, this does not make them innocent—I would know. I have started and partook in many arguments myself, and now that I look back on them, it was stupid of me to replicate the way I was mistreated onto other people.

Everybody in this subreddit needs to learn how to have a proper discussion before ever considering confronting another individual about their opinion. No one is ever right, and if that cannot be accepted, it takes a simple downvote and scroll to continue with the day.

Mileven, Byler, it is not as big of a deal as people here make it out to be—enjoy your ships in peace, and let others enjoy their ships in peace, too!

[cyarskaren52]

celebs like fuckass amy schumer nd noah schnapp nd other influencers posting abt feeling "unsafe" in their homes bc apparently the world is so against them while in chicago, a 6 y/o has been st*bbed thanks to the anti-palestine nd islamophobic rhetoric they helped to spread and you zionists wonder why yall get some comments like “I hope you burn in hell!”?

If we only look at the citizens of Israel as those whose lives should matter and forget about the citizens of Palestine then we don’t really care about life. They need to stop spreading Islamophobia and condemn Hamas

Speaking of people burning in eternal damnation, Amy Schumer deserves the thirteenth circle of hell

[arionaleilani]

when people are zionists and actively support genocide they deserve to have their name dragged through the mud. when people are creating and handing out stickers saying zionism is sexy while fully aware of the over 11k dead palestinians (nearly half of that being CHILDREN) that have been mercilessly murdered by the hands of israel and zionists, they don’t deserve to have any support.

i hope the only time people mention noah schnapp is to call him a cunt. a piece of shit monster who deserves no love, no career, no future. i hope the stranger things tag never sees a day of peace again, as not only is noah on it, but MULTIPLE OTHERS involved in the show have shown support for israel and have blatantly stated zionistic views.

if you do anything other than condemn these people and the show that is actively providing them jobs then you’re a zionist with no backbone, no morals, no critical thinking skills, and i hope you never get a full night of rest again without seeing the faces of every single palestinian that noah schnapp supported the deaths of. i hope videos of decapitated toddlers and children’s limbs being carried in bags and civilians scattered in the rubble of their own homes never leave your mind. i hope you never know peace.

may the world never forgive noah schnapp. and if you do anything other than concemn him and the show, may the world never forgive you.

Why are people on Stranger Things TWT and here on Stranger Things / Byler Tumblr suddenly talking like they all grew up watching Tomorrow’s Pioneers?

[lordystrange]

I’m 6 days late to replying because I was busy but the post you reblogged right before you answered my ask is the racism I’m talking about. How many times do we, as Palestinians, have to tell you that you cannot support us and be a Zionist? Zionism has taken away our homes, our land, our rights, our freedom, our ability to live. Our decades of suffering aren’t enough for you to denounce Zionism because you are racist. We know what Zionism has done better than anyone. I don’t care what it might mean to some people in their minds. All of it has oppressed and colonized us. The holocaust was horrible, but that doesn’t make it okay to displace for over 75 years and harm us instead. If we weren’t Arab you would listen and understand. Idc if you like Noah Schnapp famous people mean nothing to me, but Zionism is why there’s a genocide right now and decades of oppression before that. Our genocide and pain isn’t bad enough to you because we’re not considered white.

Thank you for the ask. I have tried to explain the following many times in the past and sometimes people see what I mean and sometimes they don't. I can try and be as thorough as possible, but that's really all I can do. The rest is up to you.

Firstly, I'd like to say that yes, I support the jewish people's right (and all people's right) to live in a safe land, but no, I don't support murdering or harming anyone in anyway for that to happen. Does that make me a zionist? I honestly have no clue.

Why don't I have a clue? Well, that's because I don't really know what zionism means to people. I have read about it a lot since last fall, but it's not taught in schools here, and even if it was, it would most likely be from the white and western pov.

From what I've gathered, the core idea of zionism is the idea of jews having a safe land for them to live in. An understandable wish, since they have throughout the history been very oppressed. Now, what seems to cause the most issues here are the many different types of zionism, or rather the lack of acknowledging that. I hate when people say that they either support or don't support zionism without specifying which type. There are very radical types, in which people believe they have a right to destroy Palestine and Palestinians, and there are a lot less radical types, in which people believe that Israel doesn't even need to be a jewish state for it to be safe for jews. And some more or less radical types in between.

It would be a lot easier if zionism simply meant one thing and everybody could agree on it, right? Sure it would be. But who gets to decide? Not me for sure, which is why I can't do it.

It would be very reasonable that the Palestinians suffering from the horrific acts done in the name of zionism get to decide. White/western nations in general should pay attention to the world around them more and we have a lot to learn about the racism we practice. But this brings us to Noah. Because no matter what we, or you, or anyone decides about zionism now, it doesn't change him having a completely different idea of it back then.

His crime was not knowing better. Should people have called him out for that? Yes, absolutely. Should they have taught him to know better? Yes, but instead they chose to make learning process harder for him by destroying his life. "But he supports killing Palestinian babies, he deserves to have his life destroyed-" No. He doesn't support that. I'm very sorry for anyone who's been so screwed over in life so badly that they would choose to believe such horrific claims, but no.

Idk if you're familiar with Haraway's (1988) God Trick, but basically all people perceive the world from where they stand, and no one can see everything from nowhere. There is no universal objectivity. I will always perceive the world from a northern european standpoint. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't listen to you.

White/western people should absolutely learn to see and hear and acknowledge Palestinians (and other non-white/western people) better. But it's not the same as learning math. I can practice math in my everyday life. I can't practice being treated in a racist manner. So it will take me a lifetime of making mistakes and letting people educate me and I still won't master it perfectly. But I can try.

Fortunately for me, I've had some Palestinians discuss about these topics with me. And I know Noah has those people and conversations too. I do feel horrible about the genocide everyday and I keep internally screaming to the United Nations to do something. But I hopefully won't ever have to experience genocide and I hope people are decent enough to not wish such thing to happen just to make me see how they feel. The goal is to make human rights happen for all of us equally, not to take those rights away from all of us equally.

I really hope this clarified things for you. And if I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

And for the anons who after this accuse me of being a radical zionist and a raging antisemitist: Hi! You really prove my point about the God Trick and having different interpretations.