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*Aziraphale came to Crowley at St.James Park after realizing the true nature of heaven*
Crowley *sarcastic voice* : Aren't you the supreme archangel in heaven, why are you here Now? Got demoted?
Aziraphale *worried, trembling whisper* : Gave it away...
Crowley *immediately turned to Aziraphale, gaping in surprise* : YOU WHAT !?
Aziraphale *turns to Crowley, looks at him with pain and regret, screams* : I GAVE IT AWAY !... I... I QUIT MY JOB !
God I need this conversation in season 3
#good omens#aziraphale#crowley#ineffable husbands#ineffable fandom#good omens 2#neil gaiman did you see me
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Oh good Neil Gaiman finally unfollowed me after all my bullshit I can be even more unhinged now
#It was really funny while it lasted#I think he followed me in 2018 and one day I summoned enough courage to ask him if he meant to follow me or did his son take his phone agai#He said he doesn't remember following me but then HE NEVER UNFOLLOWED after that#Can you imagine posting/reblogging everything thinking that Neil Gaiman is gonna see it. Every time I reblogged old men kissing#FOR FIVE YEARS#I'm finally free#I can post smut now -- (??#I was starting to get a little respect for him after I've done nothing but talk shit about him on my dash for a week and he didn't unfollow#Guess he finally read what I said about the season lolol#Again: I'm getting to my unanswered asks! I'm not ignoring you!#The next ask involves that one fucking 36 pages essay so...I'm still working through that......#Oh the things I do for my asks 🤦♀️
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My complete and unhinged Metatron analysis
Hello, I have seen that many people are theorizing about Metatron, so I'm here presenting an analysis of who Metatron is, rather his biblical role and how he may be more connected to the Aziraphale and Crowley than we might believe.
-Also, English is not my first language, so please be patient with me-
ANALYSIS OF METATRON AS A FIGURE WITHIN CHRISTIANITY:
Metatron, has always been a controversial figure in Christianity, full of dualisms.
Let's start with its etymologically. The term Metatron has two completely different translations: one comes from the Greek metradromos meaning "he who pursues with vengeance"; or it is also possible that its origin is from the term meta ton thronon which means "closer to the throne". There are many doubts about his true origin, since it is mentioned in non-canonical versions of the Bible, during Genesis*. However, in the most current and official versions of the Bible, it never appears.
While there is nothing official, the most accepted version is that he is actually the prophet Enoch, Noah's grandfather. Enoch -who used to have his own book of the Bible in earlier versions- was a prophet who had the God-given gift of visiting Heaven through different visions. In his 1st vision, Enoch has the mission to intercede with God on behalf of the fallen angels. In another vision, he sees the Cherubim in Heaven, whom he describes as beings of fire. Later, he is taken by the archangel Michael to the highest heaven. Enoch also travels in his visions or dreams to the tree of knowledge. He is supposed to have lived 365 years and, at the end of his visions, Enoch is chosen by God to become the archangel Metatron, a powerful archangel who is also called the little Yahweh.
There is another explanation for his origin: he is the first being of creation, seated at the left hand of the father, which in tradition is associated with Satan.
The Zohar also describes Metatron as "the king of angels" who reigns over the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
When Enoch was on Earth, he devoted himself to writing a book containing the secrets of wisdom until he was taken to Heaven to become an angel. God allowed Enoch to continue this same ministry in Heaven** .
FUN FACTS:
Metatron was the one who led the Israelites to the Promised Land (Moses).
Metatron is the patron angel of children.
Metatron transmits God's daily orders to the angels Gabriel and Raphael.
Not being an angel from his origin, Metatron is associated with the angels in charge of Death, he supervises them when they help the souls to make their transition from the physical to the spiritual plane.
He is canonically the most powerful archangel in the entire celestial realm, second only to God. His role is similar to Lucifer's original rol, the right hand of God.
The archangel Metatron is in charge of directing the ascension and activation of the human being's light body. Having been human, he knows the path of enlightenment. He represents the potential for transformation and purification of the soul when it sets out to transcend matter to unite with the pure spirit of the Divine. Metatron is in charge of guiding the souls towards the light, towards purity (insert the fact that he asks for coffee with almonds, which in Christianity is related to purification).
METATRON IN THE LORE OF GOOD OMENS
It is worth mentioning that in the original Good Omens book, Metatron is the only angel that appears besides Aziraphale. While other angels are mentioned, Metatron is the only one who appears, firstly when Zira wants to talk to God, and secondly when Beelzebub and Metatron make presence at the Tadfield airbase to try to convince Adam to restart the end of the world (it is not Gabriel who appears in the book).
And, considering that the 3rd season is based on the sequel to the book that never came out, it makes sense that Metatron would have had a bigger role because he was always a present character.
HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH CROWLEY AND ZIRA:
So, from all this information, I would like to point out that Metatron not only used to be human and knows the "true path of purification," but he is also in charge of caring the tree of knowledge.
You know, that tree?
Aziraphale and Crowley represent the two things that oppose his very existence: an angel that is becoming more and more human with each passing day and the Serpent of Temptation that keeps doubting and questioning the edges and the difference between good and evil. These two not only were they not punished, but together they are two extremely powerful entities, perhaps as powerful as he is.
They are a threat… but only together.
Metatron can see in Aziraphale the very opposite of what he represents, someone who needs to return to the path of divinity:
Aziraphale, the supposed guardian of Eden, who started out as an angel, who gradually transformed into someone with more and more human habits, falling into almost all the deadly sins, in love with the Serpent who tempted humans to eat from the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge. Someone who loves forbidden books and bibles, with a hedonistic and condescending personality who managed to deceive his brother angels for millennia to protect humanity and his earthly life***.
It would also explain his disdain towards Crowley, why he looked at him with that face: Metatron is the protector of the tree that Crowley managed to corrupt.
To all this we can add that Metatron/Enoch renounced his humanity to become something superior, while Crowley and Aziraphale consider humanity to be something superior worth defending and loving. They see in humans what Enoch could not see behind his judgment of false celestial purity. They are two supernatural entities who managed to love humanity more than he, a human, ever could.
These parallels are not only born out of my obsession, no. The fact that Metatron has separated them has a much more possible and deep significance.
Narratively, this can only mean one thing: Metatron is the villain, the perfect antagonist to Aziracrow.
CLARIFICATIONS *Genesis is where the Adam and Eve story is found, the Garden of Eden, the moment that changes Zira and Crowley forever…. **That "book that contained the secrets of wisdom"… is it the book of life? Is Metatron the only one who has access to it? ***I would like to clarify, that for me the real main character of Good Omens is Aziraphale, that's why I find more comparisons with him, followed by Crowley as co-protagonist, but I will continue this theory another day.
#good omens#ineffable husbands#aziracrow#did i just also make a whole bible analysis? Look what you made me do gaiman#can this be tagged as a bible study?#bible study#every time i see a catholic metatron figure i want to throw up#neil gaiman#terry pratchett#good omen season 2#good omens theory#good omens metatron#go2#aziraphale#crowley#good omen 2 spoilers
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one of the lesser talked about fun things about intentionally reading more books is finding new stuff to be a bit of a hater about tbh
#and i know sometimes im probably just not properly picking up whatever the writer is putting down but whatever it's still fun#to actually know what you think about stuff like the highly regarded classics and extremely popular hyped up things#here are a few writers im a bit of a hater about w my opinions now btw#neil gaiman: does not do it for me at alllll#have read the graveyard book and american gods and hated almost every minute of both#in american gods i just found the aesthetic ideas and characters completely unappealing and in the graveyard book#i thought it was dreary and not well described enough... kept feeling like it was too bare bones in some way to picture things properly#i was like 'hmm i wish this was one of his graphic novels instead bc i'd like to be able to see what's going on here a bit better...'#also his humour just never lands for me and i do not often get his references either#ray bradbury annoys me in a similar way to neil gaiman but also somewhat oppositely like where#the way they write characters and plots and ideas and the stuff they care about gets on my nerves in an almost identical way#that i don't know how to define except to say i had a bit of a 'same energy' experience reading Something Wicked This Way Comes#and some of neil gaiman's stuff#but unlike neil gaiman i think that ray bradbury attempts to describe things unusually so much and TOO much#to the point that it takes me out of the story in a different yet similar way#to how the lack of description in neil gaiman's stuff does#what else have i become a bit of a hater about or did not get the appeal of lately? hmmm#oh hp lovecraft hahahaha#least scary stories ever god everything he's scared of is so dumb#like even aside from his extremely racist takes and fear of the 'exotic other' his fears about being cosmically insignificant are just like#yeah and? whats so scary about that hahaha i literally just dont get it#also the amount he writes dialogue in heavy accents annoys the shit out of me#p
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can ao3 add a messaging system so I can violently berate the next person who makes a point of publicly bookmarking something just to shit on it
#WHY DO THEY DO THIS#not even just my own stuff some of yall r MEAN#'THIS IS NOT A REC. couldnt get into it.'#when did i ask#who do you think is seeing that?#I dont need to know these things#and yes i took it personally#unless ur shakespeare or neil gaiman i dont wanna hear it#COME BACK TO ME WHEN YOU CAN MAKE A WHALE#ao3#ao3 bookmarks#ao3 writer#archive of our own
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I'm glad I'm not alone in wanting Ryan to get Rob to get a tumblr to see the amount of people who would shit themselves cause I would find it personally hilarious to not only see the fandom wide freakout but also Rob's reaction to said fandom. Frankenstein shunning his monster and then chasing it after he murders his fiancé and then dying in the pursuit vibes.
It would be hilarious!! I'm not ashamed of my blog at all, hey, if Rob wants to see what I get up to when it comes to his weird little show, that's good with me. I think it would be hysterical if he read any of my posts, and doubly so if he made an account and people started asking him about macdennis 😭 Cmon.
And... have we all forgotten the times where he used to lurk twitter anyway? I mean, I'm pretty sure he knows what we do here, tumblr account or not... Uh, pic related.
#ask#I don't fault anyone for forgetting the time he paid a sunny stan tuition even though the post didn't mention rob anywhere#but ive been convinced he lurks ever since. and didn't megan say she reads mythic quest fanfics?#those guys visit the sunny tags on tumblr REGULARLY already. I assure you.#if anything rob having a tumblr would give us more power. imagine the Neil gaiman type interactions. cmon!! it would be fun#i remember the only rob thing the post had was THIS REACTION PIC#and to this day im still wondering. how did he see that post? well. obviously he used to lurk stan accounts then.#this was during s14 airing btw. earlier times. pre-dee day. who knows what they do nowadays#but there is no doubt in my mind that at least megan lurks. and probably ryan reynolds too now??😭#considering 90% of the interactions on his post are sunny accounts. that is so funny to me already#this last post in particular is hilarious i wonder if he told rob he was posing for a tumblr post#my game theory is that rob WILL make an account post- canon macdennis (i am insane)#thank u for sending an ask to me i love answering asks
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wild how being active on tumblr means i actually have tumblr notifs
#usually i am a reblogger and i reblogged like. the west wing#but recently i’ve started like. actually saying things and posting original thoughts and shit like that#(listen it took me like three years of being on here to understand how the tags worked. that might be bc i originally joined in 6th grade.)#anyway#but now i like ask neil gaiman questions and i post my aziracrow headcanons and my reviews of films from the 90s and a live-blogged watch of#doctor who#and people actually interact with it !!! and like then sometimes they find my older posts too and then i get excited because oh yeah i did#say something cool about kingsman that one time !!! look at me go !!! i am so glad to see you agree can we please talk about this more ???#anyway this is fun#luke rambles
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I... are they... turning the WGA SAG-AFTRA strike into a fucking 3 hour meet and greet and promotion for a show that ended 3 years ago??
Hey, Assbutts! We got work to do… Join me, fearless leader Eric Kripke, and the cast, writers, and crew of the paranormal-show-that-must-not-be-named for a #(Redacted)Family reunion on the picket lines!
#Supernatural#SPN#nightmare show#SPN cast#cast#you have got to be fucking kidding me#Neil Gaiman did not wear color for the first time in 40 years for this#even if promoting themselves wasn't their intent#it still feels gross#like they're trying to manipulate fans into going#just to see them do the bare minimum of standing up for labor rights#like they could have just showed up and showed solidarity without announcing it#like pretty much ever other industry person who's picketed#announcing it to fans just seems like they're trying to make it about them#when it should be about the union#yeah this feels so so gross to me#I don't like this#labor rights
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Uh-
just found out my cousin (who lives in England) is in the art department of a bunch of shows??? And she worked oN DOCTOR WHO? AND HAD LUNCH WITH DAVID TENNANT???? and she just told me so casually because she's interested in the art, not the show? I mean, excuse me? She worked on SHERLOCK???? FOR A WHOLE SEASON?? She worked on Peaky Blinders and Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones??? And probably other things because she has a shitty memory and according to her everything is a blur?? AND AT ONE POINT SHE WAS LIKE: "oh and have you ever heard of Neil Gaiman?" And I was trying not to scream, because yes, of course I've heard of Neil, he's only my favorite author, I've only read like all of his books multiple times, and if you say you worked on Good Omens or the Sandman I'm going to lose it completely. So I said "yeah I've read a couple of his books," -you know, like a liar- "what about him?" and she goes "well I worked on one of his shows and he's brilliant i just can't remember which one" and i go "w-what do you mean he's brilliant? You're.. you're talking about his writing... his writing is brilliant, right?" And she cheerfully says "oh no I don't read books, I ment he was really nice and brilliant when I talked to him" and i go "WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT" and she thinks for a moment and goes "oh! BRICKS" WHAT IN THE WORLD YES NO THAT MAKES SENSE YOU GET TO WORK AND TALK WITH NEIL FUCKING GAIMAN AND YOU TALK ABOUT BRICKS? NO THAT'S TOTALLY NORMAL I'M NOT MAD ".... it was what I was designing at the time, I needed to know what vibe the bricks should have. Anyway want to see the spinning fireplace I made for doctor who" WHAT THE FUCK.
@neil-gaiman do you remember any brick conversations by any chance
#Doctor who#Sherlock#David tennant#I'm losing it#neil gaiman#DAVID TENNANT JUST SAT DOWN NEXT TO HER AT LUCH AND SHE GOES OH YEAH HE WAS SUPER NICE. VERY TALL. ????#anyway i- oh my god.#Let me just perish in peace#Just my cousin living my dream making art and vibing with Neil and David and her fucking bricks what the fuck#Good omens#Sorry this is a mess#I understand actors are still people I'm not saying they aren't but can you look me in the eye and tell me you wouldn't be psyched#If you could have lunch with David tennant?
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i was enjoying reading your critique of gomen s2, but your latest post came off as bragging that you insulted someone's work and they saw you insulting it. to be clear, i don't think youve done something harmful or anything — obviously gaiman is a grown man with a huge following, and its healthy for authors to read critique! im not worried about you hurting his feelings, lmao. i do think boasting about it is super tasteless, though, and maybe you should examine that urge, or at least why it came across that way.
I wouldn't have made a post about literally anyone else unfollowing me, nor would I publicly talk shit about any indie creator's work. However, I think that getting NEIL GAIMAN, one of the most famous fantasy authors of our time, to unfollow me on Tumblr is a hilarious accomplishment. Please indulge me a little. 🤣
#Here's the thing if you think I'm bragging:#I didn't make any posts when he FOLLOWED me#namely a bigger achievement#Wow Neil Gaiman follows me on Tumblr!#I just think having him unfollow me is sooo funny and I've honestly waited so long to see what's the final post that'll break him#He didn't unfollow for any old people kissing art or all my shitposts 😂😂#Little did I know the thing that made him unfollow me is the thing that made him follow me 😔#ask#anonymous
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Isn’t it interesting that in this moment they both break eye contact as a means to deal with this.
EXCEPT LOOK AT WHAT THEY’RE DOING!!!
Crowley looks away and Aziraphale puts on his spectacles.
They’re mirroring each other’s defense mechanisms! Aziraphale is the one who routinely looks away when their feelings get too real and too big for him to handle and Crowley hides behind his sunglasses.
they always knew they were more than friends
#we see what you did there#it’s very late and I have a headache and I’m exhausted but that’s not going to stop me pointing and screaming about my two disaster children#good omens 2#good omens#ineffable husbands#crowley#aziraphale#david tennant#michael sheen#goodomensedit#neil gaiman
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ships in the neil gaiman universe are so funny to me because you have
two guys who are both dead, one who died in the edwardian era and then was sent to hell for 70 years and one who died in the late 80s who decided not to (potentially) go to heaven to stick with some guy he met a minute ago
a LITERAL angel and a LITERAL demon who have known each other since literally the beginning of THE UNIVERSE
and a guy who said "actually i think i dont wanna die. what if i just didnt" and then he actually never did because death thought it would be funny and death's brother, the god of dreams, who thought the other guy would get tired of being immortal and is sticking around to see if he does
#dead boy detectives#good omens#the sandman#charles rowland#edwin payne#painland#payneland#crowley#aziraphale#aziracrow#ineffable husbands#hob gadling#dream of the endless#dreamling
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Neil Gaiman thoughts? Are you still a fan?
So like I wasn't going to answer this ask because it feels like bait but I have to say something. 2 years ago a friend delivered to me some reputably sourced gossip about something neil gaiman did while working on doctor who, which was not immoral by any metric, but it was so deeply, horribly cringe in like a michael scott way that it permanently altered my view of him. The only reason I've never mentioned this before is because i was afraid of tumblr user neil gaiman seeing it, and the fact that I still don't think I can share it is the albatross around my neck.
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How Michael Met Neil
original direct link [MP3]
(Neil, if you see this, please feel free to grab the transcript and store on your site; I had no easy way of contacting you.)
DAVID TENNANT: Tell me about @neil-gaiman then, because he's in that category [previously: “such a profound effect on my life”] as well.
MICHAEL SHEEN: So this is what has brought us together.
DAVID: Yes.
MICHAEL: To the new love story for the 21st century.
DAVID: Exactly.
MICHAEL: So when I went to drama school, there was a guy called Gary Turner in my year. And within the first few weeks, we were doing something, having a drink or whatever. And he said to me, “Do you read comic books?”
And I said, “No.” I mean, this is … what … '88? '88, '89. So it was … now I know that it was a period of time that was a big change, transformation going through comic books. Rather than it being thought of as just superheroes and Batman and Superman, there was this whole new era of a generation of writers like Grant Morrison.
DAVID: The kids who'd grown up reading comic books were now making comic books
MICHAEL: Yeah, yeah, and starting to address different kinds of subjects through the comic book medium. So it wasn't about just superheroes, it was all kinds of stuff going on – really fascinating stuff. And I was totally unaware of this.
And so this guy Gary said to me, "Do you read them?" And I said, "No." And he went, "Right, okay, here's The Watchman [sic] by Alan Moore. Here's Swamp Thing. Here's Hellblazer. And here's Sandman.”
And Sandman was Neil Gaiman's big series that put his name on the map. And I read all those, and, just – I was blown away by all of them, but particularly the Sandman stories, because he was drawing on mythology, which was something I was really interested in, and fairy tales, folklore, and philosophy, and Shakespeare, and all kinds of stuff were being mixed up in this story. And I absolutely loved it.
So I became a big fan of Neil's, and started reading everything by him. And then fairly shortly after that, within six months to a year, Good Omens the book came out, which Neil wrote with Terry Pratchett. And so I got the book – because I was obviously a big fan of Neil's by this point – read it, loved it, then started reading Terry Pratchett’s stuff as well, because I didn't know his stuff before then – and then spent years and years and years just being a huge fan of both of them.
And then eventually when – I'd done films like the Underworld films and doing Twilight films. And I think it was one of the Twilight films, there was a lot of very snooty interviews that happened where people who considered themselves well above talking about things like Twilight were having to interview me … and, weirdly, coming at it from the attitude of 'clearly this is below you as well' … weirdly thinking I'm gonna go, 'Yeah, fucking Twilight.”
And I just used to go, "You know what? Some of the greatest writing of the last 50-100 years has happened in science fiction or fantasy." Philip K Dick is one of my favorite writers of all time. In fact, the production of Hamlet I did was mainly influenced by Philip K Dick. Ursula K. Le Guin and Asimov, and all these amazing people. And I talked about Neil as well. And so I went off on a bit of a rant in this interview.
Anyway, the interview came out about six months later, maybe. Knock on the door, open the door, delivery of a big box. That’s interesting. Open the box, there's a card at the top of the box. I open the card.
It says, From one fan to another, Neil Gaiman. And inside the box are first editions of Neil's stuff, and all kinds of interesting things by Neil. And he just sent this stuff.
DAVID: You'd never met him?
MICHAEL: Never met him. He'd read the interview, or someone had let him know about this interview where I'd sung his praises and stood up for him and the people who work within that sort of genre as being like …
And he just got in touch. We met up for the first time when he came to – I was in Los Angeles at the time, and he came to LA. And he said, "I'll take you for a meal."
I said, “All right.”
He said, "Do you want to go somewhere posh, or somewhere interesting?”
I said, "Let's go somewhere interesting."
He said, "Right, I'm going to take you to this restaurant called The Hump." And it's at Santa Monica Airport. And it's a sushi restaurant.
I was like, “Right, okay.” So I had a Mini at the time. And we get in my Mini and we drive off to Santa Monica Airport. And this restaurant was right on the tarmac, like, you could sit in the restaurant (there's nobody else there when we got there, we got there quite early) and you're watching the planes landing on Santa Monica Airport. It's extraordinary.
And the chef comes out and Neil says, "Just bring us whatever you want. Chef's choice."
So, I'd never really eaten sushi before. So we sit there; we had this incredible meal where they keep bringing these dishes out and they say, “This is [blah, blah, blah]. Just use a little bit of soy sauce or whatever.” You know, “This is eel. This is [blah].”
And then there was this one dish where they brought out and they didn't say what it was. It was like “mystery dish”, we had it ... delicious. Anyway, a few more people started coming into the restaurant as time went on.
And we're sort of getting near the end, and I said, "Neil, I can't eat anymore. I'm gonna have to stop now. This is great, but I can't eat–"
"Right, okay. We'll ask for the bill in a minute."
And then the door opens and some very official people come in. And it was the Feds. And the Feds came in, and we knew they were because they had jackets on that said they were part of the Federal Bureau of Whatever. And about six of them come in. Two of them go … one goes behind the counter, two go into the kitchen, one goes to the back. They've all got like guns on and stuff.
And me and Neil are like, "What on Earth is going on?"
And then eventually one guy goes, "Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't ordered already, please leave. If you're still eating your meal, please finish up, pay your bill, leave."*
[* - delivered in a perfect American ‘serious law agent’ accent/impression]
And we were like, "Oh my God, are we poisoned? Is there some terrible thing that's happened?"
We'd finished, so we pay our bill. And then all the kitchen staff are brought out. And the head chef is there. The guy who's been bringing us this food. And he's in tears. And he says to Neil, "I'm so sorry." He apologizes to Neil. And we leave. We have no idea what happened.
DAVID: But you're assuming it's the mystery dish.
MICHAEL: Well, we're assuming that we can't be going to – we can't be – it can't be poisonous. You know what I mean? It can't be that there's terrible, terrible things.
So the next day was the Oscars, which is why Neil was in town. Because Coraline had been nominated for an Oscar. Best documentary that year was won by The Cove, which was by a team of people who had come across dolphins being killed, I think.
Turns out, what was happening at this restaurant was that they were having illegal endangered species flown in to the airport, and then being brought around the back of the restaurant into the kitchen.
We had eaten whale – endangered species whale. That was the mystery dish that they didn't say what it was.
And the team behind The Cove were behind this sting, and they took them down that night whilst we were there.
DAVID: That’s extraordinary.
MICHAEL: And we didn't find this out for months. So for months, me and Neil were like, "Have you worked anything out yet? Have you heard anything?"
"No, I haven't heard anything."
And then we heard that it was something to do with The Cove, and then we eventually found out that that restaurant, they were all arrested. The restaurant was shut down. And it was because of that. And we'd eaten whale that night.
DAVID: And that was your first meeting with Neil Gaiman.
MICHAEL: That was my first meeting. And also in the drive home that night from that restaurant, he said, and we were in my Mini, he said, "Have you found the secret compartment?"
I said, "What are you talking about?" It's such a Neil Gaiman thing to say.
DAVID: Isn't it?
MICHAEL: The secret compartment? Yeah. Each Mini has got a secret compartment. I said, "I had no idea." It's secret. And he pressed a little button and a thing opened up. And it was a secret compartment in my own car that Neil Gaiman showed me.
DAVID: Was there anything inside it?
MICHAEL: Yeah, there was a little man. And he jumped out and went, "Hello!" No, there was nothing in there. There was afterwards because I started putting...
DAVID: Sure. That's a very Neil Gaiman story. All of that is such a Neil Gaiman story.
MICHAEL: That's how it began. Yeah.
DAVID: And then he came to offer you the part in Good Omens.
MICHAEL: Yeah. Well, we became friends and we would whenever he was in town, we would meet up and yeah, and then eventually he started, he said, "You know, I'm working on an adaptation of Good Omens." And I can remember at one point Terry Gilliam was going to maybe make a film of it. And I remember being there with Neil and Terry when they were talking about it. And...
DAVID: Were you involved at that point?
MICHAEL: No, no, I wasn't involved. I just happened to have met up with Neil that day.
DAVID: Right.
MICHAEL: And then Terry Gilliam came along and they were chatting, that was the day they were talking about that or whatever.
And then eventually he sent me one of the scripts for an early draft of like the first episode of Good Omens. And he said – and we started talking about me being involved in it, doing it – he said, “Would you be interested?” I was like, "Yeah, of course." I went, "Oh my God." And he said, "Well, I'll send you the scripts when they come," and I would read them, and we'd talk about them a little bit. And so I was involved.
But it was always at that point with the idea, because he'd always said about playing Crowley in it. And so, as time went on, as I was reading the scripts, I was thinking, "I don't think I can play Crowley. I don't think I'm going to be able to do it." And I started to get a bit nervous because I thought, “I don't want to tell Neil that I don't think I can do this.” But I just felt like I don't think I can play Crowley.
DAVID: Of course you can [play Crowley?].
MICHAEL: Well, I just on a sort of, on a gut level, sometimes you have it on a gut level.
DAVID: Sure, sure.
MICHAEL: I can do this.
DAVID: Yeah.
MICHAEL: Or I can't do this. And I just thought, “You know what, this is not the part for me. The other part is better for me, I think. I think I can do that, I don't think I could do that.”
But I was scared to tell Neil because I thought, "Well, he wants me to play Crowley" – and then it turned out he had been feeling the same way as well. And he hadn't wanted to mention it to me, but he was like, "I think Michael should really play Aziraphale."
And neither of us would bring it up. And then eventually we did. And it was one of those things where you go, "Oh, thank God you said that. I feel exactly the same way." And then I think within a fairly short space of time, he said, “I think we've got … David Tennant … for Crowley.” And we both got very excited about that.
And then all these extraordinary people started to join in. And then, and then off we went.
DAVID: That's the other thing about Neil, he collects people, doesn't he? So he'll just go, “Oh, yeah, I've phoned up Frances McDormand, she's up for it.” Yeah. You're, what?
MICHAEL: “I emailed Jon Hamm.”
DAVID: Yeah.
MICHAEL: And yeah, and you realize how beloved he is and how beloved his work is. And I think we would both recognise that Good Omens is one of the most beloved of all of Neil's stuff.
DAVID: Yes.
MICHAEL: And had never been turned into anything.
DAVID: Yeah.
MICHAEL: And so the kind of responsibility of that, I mean, for me, for someone who has been a fan of him and a fan of the book for so long, I can empathize with all the fans out there who are like, “Oh, they better not fuck this up.”
DAVID: Yes.
MICHAEL: “And this had better be good.” And I have that part of me. But then, of course, the other part of me is like, “But I'm the one who might be fucking it up.”
DAVID: Yeah.
MICHAEL: So I feel that responsibility as well.
DAVID: But we have Neil on site.
MICHAEL: Yes. Well, Neil being the showrunner …
DAVID: Yeah. I think it takes the curse off.
MICHAEL: … I think it made a massive difference, didn't it? Yeah. You feel like you're in safe hands.
DAVID: Well, we think. Not that the world has seen it yet.
MICHAEL (grimly): No, I know.
DAVID: But it was a -- it's been a -- it's been a joy to work with you on it. I can't wait for the world to see it.
MICHAEL: Oh my God. Oh, well, I mean, it's the only, I've done a few things where there are two people, it's a bit of a double act, like Frost-Nixon and The Queen, I suppose, in some ways. But, and I've done it, Amadeus or whatever.
This is the only thing I've done where I really don't think of it as “my character” or “my performance as that character”. I think of it totally as us.
DAVID: Yeah.
MICHAEL: The two of us.
DAVID: Yes.
MICHAEL: Like they, what I do is defined by what you do.
DAVID: Yeah.
MICHAEL: And that was such a joy to have that experience. And it made it so much easier in a way as well, I found, because you don't feel like you're on your own in it. Like it's totally us together doing this and the two characters totally complement each other. And the experience of doing it was just a real joy.
DAVID: Yeah. Well, I hope the world is as excited to see it as we are to talk about it, frankly.
MICHAEL: You know, there's, having talked about T.S. Eliot earlier, there's another bit from The Wasteland where there's a line which goes, These fragments I have shored against my ruin.
And this is how I think about life now. There is so much in life, no matter what your circumstances, no matter what, where you've got, what you've done, how much money you got, all that. Life's hard. I mean, you can, it can take you down at any point.
You have to find this stuff. You have to like find things that will, these fragments that you hold to yourself, they become like a liferaft, and especially as time goes on, I think, as I've got older, I've realized it is a thin line between surviving this life and going under.
And the things that keep you afloat are these fragments, these things that are meaningful to you and what's meaningful to you will be not-meaningful to someone else, you know. But whatever it is that matters to you, it doesn't matter what it was you were into when you were a teenager, a kid, it doesn't matter what it is. Go and find them, and find some way to hold them close to you.
Make it, go and get it. Because those are the things that keep you afloat. They really are. Like doing that with him or whatever it is, these are the fragments that have shored against my ruin. Absolutely.
DAVID: That's lovely. Michael, thank you so much.
MICHAEL: Thank you.
DAVID: For talking today and for being here.
MICHAEL: Oh, it's a pleasure. Thank you.
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oh also @witchy-stars the fic is Misfire and it is fantastic
Hey Neil. I know your inbox is flooded right now, and you're not likely to see this, but I feel compelled to tell you anyway, on the off-chance you might -
Good Omens has been my favorite book for a long, long time. I was going through quite the struggle when the show released, dealing with alcoholism and drug addiction. I was so delighted with the adaptation that the show and fandom quickly took over my life. It was an escape I so badly needed. I wrote a novel length fic for it (granted, a wine sodden one) that got unexpectedly popular. Long story short, through writing that, I met an absolutely incredible person. I started flying across the country to see them regularly, and before I knew it I'd fallen utterly in love. We started a relationship, and just this spring I moved 2,000 miles to be close to them.
When Good Omens 2 dropped, we watched it together, on the same couch, curled up with one another. And I was sober. It has me reflecting on the beauty of it all, how far I've come, and all the joy I've found. I fought and won against my addiction, I grew as a writer and a human being, I fell in love, I started an entire new and better life - and if that one domino wasn't tipped over by a strange and lovely book from the 90s, I'm not sure where I would be.
So basically, thank you, and of course Terry, for setting in motion the series of events that changed my life for the better. Maybe even saved it. Just...thank you.
I'm proud of you.
#acrownforaking#good omens#neil gaiman#fic#I mean this fic did lead to me falling in love with the author so like#would recommend#though I've got it on good authority that they're at their poly-saturation limit so#deepest apologies to anyone else hoping to woo as I've wooed :P#also pssst hey love I know you're probably seeing these tags and#hey#hi#I love you <3
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As a writer who knows a lot of people in the British SFF scene I really want to push back on the "everyone knew about Neil Gaiman" narrative. I don't know anyone who knew. I don't know anyone who isn't shocked. Yes, we now know there were people who did know, people who created whisper networks, but by their very nature whisper networks can only reach a minority of people. (Which incidentally, isn't a condemnation of whisper networks at all. If you've heard a rumour you have no way of verifying, or even if you know a victim who quite rationally does not want to be outed, what else can you do but warn people privately when you can?) Obviously the victims didn't know until it was too late, so why would anyone else? Gaiman had such a celebrity status that he was "above" basically everyone in the field. He was the famous, powerful person generously dipping into their lives. I'd never met him, but even people I knew who considered him a friend were mostly seeing him on occasions where of course he'd have his charming, gregarious persona in play. There seems to be this impulse, perhaps fuelled by Gaiman's silence, to attack everyone who's not him (and especially women and NB acquaintances, it's not lost on me.) Yesterday a casual friend of his with a minor platform felt she had to apologise, humbly, for not having made a public statement before! She'd done absolutely nothing wrong and had been made to feel ashamed of something he'd done. Yes, there are conversations we can have about power structures and privilege and press organs that told a survivor her experience "wasn't enough." But ultimately Neil Gaiman did this. He made those choices. He owes accountability.
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