#need max to say “my boyfriend” in s5

[hopsbyers]

it's a lumax thing

[iennoganan-aha]

I thought I was done being disappointed in stranger things. Falling out of love with a hyperfixation that brought me so much joy already sucked, but the whole Noah Shnapp shit really ruined it for me. I wasn't planning on watching or supporting season 5 anyways, but finding out Argyle won't be in s5 has really stripped away any want still buried deep in my brain man, like I'm not even slightly interested in watching illegally now. (I wasn't planning on it but curiosity is strong sometimes)

Jonathan was my favorite character, and Argyle is SO important for his character. Like putting aside how important Argyle was to the plot of s4, his importance to Jonathan was reason enough for him being there since Jonathan NEEDED him.

Argyle was the ONLY relationship he had that didn't have expectations. He could be free and loose and himself around Argyle. This isn't hate towards Will or Joyce or Nancy because he loves them and the story likes to ignore it but those relationships all come with expectations that the story has hinted at being hard for Jonathan to manage.

He loves his brother and his mom but the role he was forced into so young has really damaged him and how he views himself. The expectation to be a fatherly figure, an authority figure, a protector. I know Jonathan doesn't mind doing it because he loves his family but it's a lot of pressure and if s4 told us anything (again, even if the story likes to gloss over it for some reason) that pressure was too much for him.

And I LOVE Jancy, I love Nancy, but again s4 told us directly that in some way he feels a lot of pressure with her. He feels the need to give up on his dreams in one way or another, because it's either he goes to college with Nancy doing something he doesn't exactly wanna do, or he doesn't and he loses his girlfriend. He fears communication with her because she might get upset, at the end of s4 you can see that while he trusts Nancy and doesn't think anything is going on with Steve because he also trusts Steve, we can't deny the writers might do some lame ass love triangle bullshit this next season which will put even more pressure on Jonathan because now he might lose his girlfriend to his previous bully 🧍‍♀️

Argyle was SO healthy for Jonathan's character! He helped get Jonathan out of his comfort zone in some ways, in all 4 seasons with Argyle Jonathan was the most free and silly and acted like a teenager! He could just be a teenager with Argyle. He wasn't a supportive big brother or boyfriend or oldest son or any of the stigmatizations from his home town with Argyle, he was just Jonathan. Instead of worrying about taking care of Will, or getting a job to help pay bills or (at the time) fighting monsters, he was playing golf in the middle of a car dump with his best friend, getting high in their pizza van and having fun. I dunno, I just think it's a shame we're taking away his only friend that he isn't dating or related to.

I also fear that the did it for a reason of pushing the love triangle because let's be real if Argyle was there Jancy would just communicate. Argyle wouldn't stand for them dancing around each other and Steve being an issue he'd be like 'talk it out 👏🏼👏🏼'

Again this isn't even MENTIONING how important he is to the plot of s4 in general? Some people say he was just the comic relief and while he definitely played that role, he also is the reason half the main cast are alive?? Without Argyle; will, Mike and Jonathan would be dead! They would have no escape from the government SHOOTING THEIR HOUSE AND TRYING TO KILL THEM. they would have no transportation to find El, they'd have never even found El! They'd never have found a place to make a bathtub so El could save max, they'd never have made it back to Hawkins! He is an important character not just to Jonathan (because while I adore their friendship and this post may make it seem that way) HE IS NOT AN ACCESSORY TO JONATHAN! He was a fun character, a relavent character!

They could have done so much with him, imagine how he could have interacted with other characters? Character pair ups that could have been awesome? Steve and Argyle would be SO FUNNY! Argyle and Dustin, Argyle and Lucas bonding over neither being fucking white, Argyle and Robin being a comedy duo, Argyle and fucking Nancy having a conversation as Jonathan best friend and girlfriend respectively, or Argyle finally just meeting the girl he's heard about for a year- i dunno the possibilities are endless and the duffers are lame for not doing ANYTHING with the potential of these characters.

Oh well, I lost respect for Stranger Things a while ago, but a part of me is still passionate about the story being told and it really is a shame for Jonathan's character. But I shouldn't be surprised the writers have always kind of hated Jonathan. Those stonathan moments better be great I guess, I dunno I won't be watching it 🤷🏽‍♀️🤷🏽‍♀️

[infiniteentertainment]

what if the duffers write robin’s s5 arc as her actually unironically being a gay guru because something something #representation and gaining confidence in herself #empowerment (they're out of ideas)... she seduces vickie because vickie just also happens to be lgbt and so they become girlfriends ofc. robin talks to will and is like “it’s mike, right” and tells him to give her a minute. she goes to mike and says pull your head out of your ass. she comforts el by saying that girls have gay boyfriends all the time and that el is valid. then she says lucas and max need el's "special attention." robin kisses nancy (with vickie’s permission ofc) and nancy has a Realization and so by transitive property that makes jonathan bi too, which was part of the plan since robin’s still wingmanning for bestie steve and clearly saw she had to lead the stoncy revival. after sex with nancy (with vickie’s permission ofc) robin has dinner with the wheelers and casually drops to karen that joyce and hopper are looking for a third. holly says “a third what?” but she is taken by vecna before anyone can answer. robin teaches erica how to be a good ally and they get into an involved discussion about the nuances of rainbow capitalism ("gay people need corporate america's support. just the facts!"). they get ice cream together (“yes you're owed rights. just like i'm still owed my free ice cream”) and erica puts extra sprinkles on hers in #solidarity. robin asks argyle about his socks and he says "oh no i'm not gay, this new weed strain i got sometimes gives me and jonathan gay thoughts so we end up kissing a little." she doesn’t bother with dustin bc there’s no saving him. vecna drops dead due to gay overload shortly afterwards.

[mikesmelodrama]

eleven doesn't need a boyfriend to be happy. (an analysis)

some mlvns say bylers hate el but that just isn't correct at all?

the argument is near always that "wanting mlvn to break up means you hate el because she's happy with mike"

now, first of all: did you ever stop to think whether mike happy with el?

because maloobans also say things like "just because will likes mike doesn't mean mike has to like him back."

okay! with that same logic, just because el likes mike doesn't mean they have to stay together. their relationship has been rocky for a while. mike has trouble saying he loves el. if els feelings are unrequited in s5 (which i don't believe because i think she realised she doesn't love mike at the end of s4 and neither love each other anymore), it wouldn't make sense to keep them together.

second of all: is el the happiest she can be with mike? in s3, we see el finding herself with max who says "there's more to life than stupid boys." and el IS happy without mike, but i believe she was still in love with him in s3 and that's why they got back together. however, i think mike wanted to stay broken up at the end of s3 but was caught off guard by the love confession

i'm not even gonna get into the shitshow that was mlvn in s3 but y'all have seen it, so...

third: i'd assume most mlvn shippers are straight - therefore they're watching the relationship through a heteronormative lens, and thinking that el would need a boyfriend to be happy is a heteronormative idea.

some melvins say they want mlvn to get married and have kids, which is also a heteronormative idea.

i don't necessarily like eddie but in his wise words: "forced conformity is killing the kids."

so, what do we learn from this?

el needing to be in a relationship goes against the idea stranger things is trying to push. the idea that stranger things is saying over and over over again is that you don't need to be "normal" according to society.

for example:

dustin is disabled. will is gay. lucas is black. max is (likely) disabled in s5 if she wakes up. joyce is a single mom. robin is gay. jonathan is bullied. murray believes in alien conspiracies.

obviously, all of those things (except the alien conspiracy lol) are normal but in the 80's they weren't treated as such, or even now.

with characters like that, is ST really going to push a relationship like mlvn to be endgame? NO.

you don't need to be in a straight, unhappy relationship because it's what society wants you to do. you can be a freak, and just because a boy and a girl are friends, doesn't mean they need to be together.

also, "boy finds traumatized girl in woods, takes her under his wing, they fall in love, end of story."

does that sound like what's best for el? because when you think about it, el doesn't need mike and vice versa. she hasn't needed him since she moved in with the byers, because she has a loving family & friends. mike isn't the only important person in her life.

and having els arc to be diluted to being some nerds superhero girlfriend with very little personality of her own wouldn't be a good way to end s5 on.

having mike just be rude to will for no reason and magically figuring out all his troubles with saying i love you to his girlfriend (that can't possibly have anything to do with him being queer, can they?) and them being happy forever wouldn't be a good way to end s5 on.

what el needs is to be independent and learn what she likes without a boyfriend she's heavily codependent on. SHE DOESN'T NEED A RELATIONSHIP AND ISN'T READY FOR ONE.

the truth is, she doesn't know enough love and healthy relationships to be with mike while being independent and figuring out her own identity. i honestly believe even canon elmax would work out better than mlvn, even though i'm a single, independent el truther at heart.

hope you liked my little ramble!

i really hope we get platonic elmike in s5 cause we were ROBBED 😭

[strangeswift]

mike lucas anything oh my god

Congratulations Ella nancysglock you have been selected to receive ✨️a ficlet✨️

This takes place post S5, senior year of high school. Sill in Hawkins. Established Byler and Lumax. And. It's fluff. I've written fluff. Don't get used to it.

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Lucas and Mike walked through the mall, Mike attempting to tune out the grating sounds of the Christmas music playing over the speakers.

They'd driven an hour to get to this godforsaken mall. Sometimes, despite the poor effect on the local economy and the Russian lab in the basement, Mike kind of missed having Starcourt in Hawkins.

They had to weave through the line of kids waiting to see "Santa". Mike looked over at the man wearing a red suit and a synthetic white beard and cringed.

"I've always thought that was kind of-" He started.

"Creepy?" Lucas finished.

"Yeah. Who lets their kid sit on some random guy's lap?" Mike said.

"And who agrees to do that job? I mean come on, that guy's definitely a felon," Lucas added.

Mike snorted.

The air smelled of too strong flowery perfume and Chinese food, mingling into a borderline nauseating aroma. Mike wrinkled his nose as they passed the food court.

"What's wrong?" Lucas asked.

"Smells," Mike remarked.

Lucas raised an eyebrow, "You're such a baby. Can we please focus? We need to figure out what we're getting for Will and Max."

"I already know what I'm getting for Will," Mike said.

"Good for you, man," Lucas said sarcastically.

"It's not my fault you don't know your girlfriend as well as I know my... Will" Mike said.

Lucas laughed. "Could you have meant your boyfriend?" he asked.

"Yeah, whatever," Mike mumbled, averting his eyes as they continued to walk through the crowd.

"It's fine, man," Lucas said casually.

And it was fine. Mike knew that. He knew Lucas was happy for him. "It just feels weird to say... out loud," he said.

"Well, it's not," Lucas said matter-of-factly.

"Not what?" Mike asked.

"Weird," Lucas answered.

Mike paused. "Okay."

"Okay," Lucas echoed.

A small smile tugged at Mike's lips, he made sure not to let Lucas see.

"So let's find gifts for Max then," Lucas said, changing the subject.

"Gifts plural?" Mike questioned.

"Yeah, one from me, one from you," Lucas said with a smirk.

"Oh I am not getting Max a-"

"She got you one," Lucas interrupted.

"No she didn't," Mike argued, "You're making that up."

"Maybe, but you don't know that for sure, do you?" Lucas said.

Mike rolled his eyes, "I don't even know what girls like."

"Welcome to my world," Lucas said.

"I thought you knew what girls liked. Remember when you took me shopping to help me get El back?"

"We didn't even get her anything, and you didn't get her back," Lucas said with a laugh.

"I did eventually," Mike mumbled, "That's not the point. I mean aren't you like an expert?"

Lucas shrugged, "I thought I knew everything back then. We've both matured a lot."

"We have, haven't we," Mike remarked.

"Oh. No I meant Max and I have matured, you definitely haven't," Lucas joked.

Mike rolled his eyes, and quickened his pace so Lucas had to jog to catch up as they walked into a department store that looked like it had lots of... girl things.

"What are you getting for Will anyway?" Lucas asked as he felt the fabric of a scarf hanging on the rack.

"Art stuff he wanted and uh... I wrote him a letter," Mike said, flushing a little.

"That's not a bad idea. I should write Max a letter," Lucas said.

"What if I wanted to write Max a letter for her gift?" Mike joked.

Lucas huffed a laugh, "We can both write her a letter I think."

"Dear Max, you are my closest and dearest friend. I think you're so smart and beautiful, I love you soooo much-" Mike began.

Lucas laughed, "She'd probably hit you."

Mike shrugged, "Worth it."

"She wrote you a letter, you know. When she..." Lucas trailed off.

Mike could tell from his tone of voice what he was referring to. "Really?" he asked.

Lucas nodded.

Mike paused. "We should get out of here. There's a skate shop on the other side of the mall, she'd probably prefer something from there."

Lucas frowned, "Yeah... Yeah, why didn't I think of that?"

Mike shrugged, "You were too focused on getting the type of gift a boyfriend is supposed to get for his girlfriend?"

"When did you get all wise and shit?" Lucas asked.

"Speaking from experience," Mike said.

Lucas clapped him on the shoulder, "Let's go look at skateboards."

"Oh actually, I just need to grab one thing from here for Will."

Lucas raised an eyebrow.

"He likes those stupid fucking Christmas candles," Mike explained.

"They do smell good," Lucas said, "I like the cinnamon ones."

"Yeah? Well you can pick it out then," Mike said.

"Sure, but I'll tell Will I picked it out, and he'll probably hug me instead of you," Lucas said.

"Yeah? Well I'm gonna write Max the best letter she's ever read, it'll make your letter look like shit," Mike countered.

"I'll leave the letters to you, I'm gonna get her a new skateboard," Lucas said with a laugh.

"Dear Max, I actually think you should leave Lucas for me, because-"

Lucas slapped Mike's arm to shut him up, "Come on, idiot, let's pick out your stupid fucking candle for your boyfriend," he said fondly.

After arguing extensively about candles and finally selecting one, they started walking toward the skate shop.

"I wish I was actually going to be in Hawkins for Christmas," Lucas said.

"You should tell your parents you don't want to go to the ski resort," Mike suggested.

"I tried, they don't care," Lucas said.

"Well, you're an adult," Mike argued.

"As of a month ago," Lucas pointed out.

"Whatever, I think you should stay. We need you for the campaign. Erica too," Mike said.

"You guys will be fine. Max and El said they'd fill in," Lucas said.

"Yeah, only because you asked them," Mike mumbled.

"They'll do it," Lucas promised.

Mike hesitated. "Well maybe we just move the campaign up."

"You'd move the campaign for me?" Lucas asked.

"Of course," Mike said.

Lucas paused, "The skate shop's there," he said, starting to walk toward the store.

They walked in and Mike admired the wall of colorful skateboards. They were cool. Or whatever.

"I thought you said there was no way you guys would finish the campaign before Christmas," Lucas finally said.

Mike shrugged, "If Will and I pull a couple of all nighters we probably can."

"You don't have to do that," Lucas said.

Mike absently spun one of the wheels on a display board, "I know, I want to."

Lucas smiled. "Okay."

"Hey, I think we should test out the boards," Mike said.

"You can't ride a skateboard," Lucas said, exasperated.

"How hard can it be?" Mike asked, taking the display board off the shelf and setting it on the floor.

"You're gonna bust your ass," Lucas said.

"No, you'll catch me!" Mike said, stepping onto the board and wobbling, holding his arms out for balance.

"Get off, you're gonna fall," Lucas said.

"I… yeah," Mike said, teetering on the board, "Can you… I need help."

"You need help stepping off of a skateboard?"

"Yeah, I'm gonna fall!" Mike said, a bit panicked.

Lucas rolled his eyed and extended a hand. Mike grabbed his hand and started to lift one foot, but the board rolled slightly and he froze.

"Oh my god, dude," Lucas said, holding out his other hand.

Mike grabbed both of Lucas's hands and hopped, rather than stepped, off the board.

Lucas was practically doubled over laughing, and Mike tried to look offended but a grin spread across his face.

"Hey! No buy, no ride!" a voice said from behind them.

Mike scowled as they turned around to see…

"Keith?" they both said in unison.

"Hello troglodytes," Keith said in his deadpan nasally voice.

"What the hell, you work here?" Mike asked, picking the board up and returning it to the rack.

"Yep," Keith answered, "Moved to the city for school."

"There's no way you skateboard," Mike said dubiously.

"Why, because I'm a nerd? That's presumptuous," Keith said.

"Do you skateboard?" Lucas asked, eyebrows raised.

Keith hesitated. "Job's a job. Are you gonna buy anything?"

"Yeah, uh I'm looking for something for Max, I was thinking a new board," Lucas said.

"Mad Max," Keith said, smirking.

"Uh… yeah. So I guess do you have any recommendations?" Lucas asked.

Mike scoffed.

"Well, that one's our latest model, it's a-" Keith started.

"We'll take it," Mike interjected.

"What?" Lucas asked.

"Dude, we don't know shit about skateboards and neither does he. It's the latest model, we'll take it," Mike said.

Lucas hesitated. "Alright. We'll take it."

After they checked out, they walked out of the mall.

Lucas looked like he was thinking about something, then he finally asked, "Did you mean it, about the campaign, I mean? You'll move it up?"

"Yeah, dude. You're our ranger, we need you," Mike said.

Lucas smiled.

"More importantly we definitely can't play without Lady Applejack," Mike added with a smirk.

"Definitely not," Lucas agreed.

[starsundertheceiling]

Byler proof!! Which we do not need by this point but hey, it’s still nice to have more byler proof, right??

honestly idk if we know this by now or not but I’ve just realized this so I’m sharing

So!! Owen trying to persuade El to join him and restore her powers, remember?

We have this:

Everything onscreen corresponds with what Owens is saying (proof for that later, below). But in this case?

My first thought was Oh, they’re showing us Mike when Owens says ‘a very real possibility this program fails.’ They are literally telling us m:leven is bones.

But then I started thinking more about it and: Yeah, they ARE showing us Mike. The program (the monologue) failed, and El’s friend Max died (if not for El literally doing the impossible, she would never see her again).

But they are also showing us byler here. Jonathan leaves the frame and we see byler, both of them in the middle of the screen. Yes, Mike is in the foreground but Will is literally RIGHT THERE. Not even on the side. In the middle. Before Mike obstructs our view of him, he’s the central point (because he doesn’t move, so he has to be right in front of us so we pay attention to him. Mike is moving so our attention is naturally drawn to him until he stands right in the middle too). <- The entire point is: They clearly want us to focus on both Will and Mike. Plus, Jonathan says, “The reservation’s under ‘Byers’.” just a second earlier. Maybe I should’ve started with that.

So, “the very real possibility this program fails” = it’s the 80s, homophobia everywhere, Mike is still trying to battle his gay, Will is indeliberately doing everything to sabotage his chances... If it was all real instead of a show, the chances that byler gets together would be... woefully small. (I didn’t say that, Owens did. I believe in canon byler in every dimension.)

And if THIS program (byler) fails? In S5, if the power of gay love doesn’t prevail in the crucial moment? Everybody dies. El, byler, Dustin, Dustin’s mom, Harrington’s hair, Mews’ ninth life in LA, Theodore Decker in Antwerp—everyone. Vecna slurps people’s minds like Mike Wheeler slurps his plain skim milk.

What I mean is, m;leven program had a very real possibility of failure and it already did. Byler has a very real possibility of failure but they aren’t allowed to, because that would be the end of all.

And to support the dramatic “end of all” part: Everything we see on our screens corresponds to what Owens is talking about. (yada, yada, proof below) but in this instance? “And if it does, you will never see your friends again?” And they show us her brothers and boyfriend? Nobody who she primarily considers as a “friend”? Because, of course, Will is her friend, and Mike is her friend, yes, yes. But if you asked her what they are to her, what would be the first things she says? Maybe it would be friend since she still uses “friends don’t lie” with Mike (she does, doesn’t she? *genuinely cannot remember 100%*) but even if, Owens could have easily said “you will never see your family and friends again”. I just don’t understand why he didn’t, when that’s what would better suit what we are shown.

This led me to think that “friends” here is the final bell, “Friends” are not just “friends”, it’s everyone. It just feels like he’s talking about everyone. He is. He literally is, I didn’t need to say all that lmao.

Hope you see the vision. Here’s the proof that Stranger Things creators do their job and know stuff I know—which, honestly? the bar is on the floor. 

Brave friends, good people, Lucas onscreen. Makes sense. Lucas best boy.

Hop keeps swimmin’ because he knows El is still there, waiting for him. And Joyce. But then he thinks Joyce died bc of him. Darn. But El is still there as his reason to hold on just a little while longer, fight on just a little while longer, sing on just a little while longer.

I thought it was funny that when Owens starts speaking about starting to work on the program, he is literally shown with his computer, preparing a program. Not writing one, no. Just sending emails. He gets cushy money for his doctor diploma (? in question?) and sending emails. And asking a li’l boy questions that don’t do anything, and manipulating a teenage girl.

Government doesn’t believe in the power of love. How fitting. How sad.

Max. I love Max. They put her in the middle of our screens just like they put her in the middle of our hearts in the eye of the storm. Plus, to stress how very in the middle of the storm she is, and that it’s Max, Max it’s Max, helloo it’s Max that’s in the eye of the storm, they made her interrupt the long-ass speech in the middle of a sentence.

Kinda like they made Jonathan mention “Byers” when sliding the camera towards byler with Mike in the front and Will behind because REMEMBER WILL IS THEREEE

[shutuperce]

How are you Percy?:) what is something on your wishlist for season 5?

i'm good!!! winter break just started so lots of writing is happening :D

i already have a list going here of my s5 wishlist but!!! yay!!! i get to list more cus i have endless amounts :P

jopper get a lil date (maybe surprised by their kids) where they have candles and snacks and a lil picnic blanket. it's the apocalypse and the world might be ending but they get their date finally <3

robin comes out to dustin their friendship means the world to me and then steve & dusty can have a matchmaker scheme with robin and vickie >:) that might be too goofy for s5 but i don't care hehe

the party hanging out as a group... i love their relationships with the older characters but i need them and their goofy shenanigans and d&d references okay

will gets to cuss vecna out <3 (let him say fuck again netflix)

group hugs. that's all. think of the will/dustin/el one when the cali gang gets to hawkins, the bywheelclair one in the hospital, the s1 hug by the quarry, dustin and el and mike in s3 at starcourt.

holly wheeler gets her moment

no more stoncy love triangle

el and mike break up. it's mutual and they stay friends and it shows how their characters compliment each other so much better when they're not in a relationship. all the toxic mlvn shit is talked over and mike comes out to her and she is so accepting. she also tells him about her side of their struggles and he apologises for being a shit boyfriend. anyways elmike rights this season babe

lumax because they are amazing and i want max to open up to lucas and maybe they have a solid cry in each other's arms. and it highlights the fact that they're in love, yeah, but also best friends.

the above, but make it byler.

there are definitely more but that's what i'm thinking rn!! sending love and ty for the ask <333

[apatheticlexicographer]

ok so picture this:

s5 starts. will is, obviously, getting a lot of focus, and even more of the story is told through his perspective. he might try to patch up m!leven's relationship a little, but there are more pressing concerns. mike is avoidant whenever he tries to talk about it, just like he was during their talk in the cabin at the end of s4.

eventually will brings it up to el, thinking she might be more receptive, but she just stares at him blankly. "me and mike? will, what are you talking about? we broke up weeks ago, i thought mike told you?"

when mike said she had talked to him a little back in the cabin, this was what he meant. they split before s4 even ended. admitting to will that they had broken up for good would be opening so many cans of worms at once, though, so he did what he does best: repress it and avoid it.

would it be kinda weird to have them break up offscreen??? you'd think so, but considering the show's track record it really isn't that implausible.

lucas and max broke up in the gap between s3 and s4, and while it was implied she dumped him in solidarity with el back in s3, i don't remember her saying it explicitly to his face. steve and nancy never had a formal "breaking up" conversation either, or at least not one that we saw. joyce and lonnie divorced before the start of the show, and she never broke up with bob. even whatever happened between vickie and her boyfriend happened offscreen!!!

the only explicit onscreen breakup we've had was between m!leven in s3, and that was portrayed in a way that made it clear that it wasn't serious or permanent.

similarly, we haven't seen officially stated "getting together" scenes. first kisses and confessions, yes, but the closest we've had to a "will you be my boyfriend/girlfriend" was when mike asked el to the snowball in s1. this wasn't entirely played for laughs, but it was definitely shown as something lighthearted and naiive. hell, el didn't even know what he was talking about!!! not exactly the peak of romance...

if the only stated breakup was something temporary and childish, what does that say about the only stated get-together???

in general, the writers seem to prefer changing the status quo of relationships between seasons, and then expanding on the change within the season, rather than showing the shift onscreen. people meet, part ways, grow closer, grow apart- the dynamics don't stay stable in the interrim, and some of the most important things are only explored as their aftermath.

it might seem a bit extreme to have something as important as the show's flagship ship fall apart offscreen, but it would make a huge twist for the audience. it would also explain the need for the 2 days later timeskip- having them just break up offscreen would be pushing it, but this way it would technically have happened during a timeskip.

honestly, i started writing this mostly as a what if situation, but the more i think about it the more i think i might be right.

(it would also make an amazing setup for Big Byler Fight. mike finds out el didn't commission the painting and will finds out mike hid the breakup from him. now they both have a reason to be pissed. boom.)

[eddiemunsonssoulmate]

I just got some bad news (my beloved DND campaign gets cancelled because some other players don't invest enough time and constantly miss sessions), so I could really need some positive thoughts right now.

So could you please write the essay about why killing Eddie would be bad writing? I need the hope, that while losing my DND campaign I at least don't lose my favorite DND nerd...

(btw I agree with everyone else, your stories are great and I love how you write Eddie!)

That’s a horrible thing, I’m so sorry! Loosing a D&D group always sucks, happene to me too many times. So in this case, your wish is my command~

101 on why Eddie isn’t dying and if he does, why I’m suing the Duffers for bad life choices and burn the Netflix HQ.

I'm sorry for any typos in there but it's past 11pm and I'm tired

Maybe teeny tiny spoilers ahead but actually not really because it's 99,9% me trying to make him survive.

Let’s start with the bad things but I promise it gets better!

The foreshadowing for his death is huge. “Outside of D&D, I’m no hero.” and “I did what I do best, I ran.” and “There is no shame in running.” 

Him coming in as a new, beloved character and we all know what the Duffers do with them

The trailer scene in the Upside Down where he plays guitar to distract the Demobats

No one knows how he gets out of being hunted by the whole town

Overall it feels like they’re setting him up to be a martyr, dying a hero’s death in Volume 2 and being, once again, another sacrificial lamb for the show.

That’s exactly where my problem already starts.

Been there, done that. Barb? Sacrificial lamb. Bob? Sacrificial lamb. Billy? Sacrificial lamb, little longer buildup than the others at least. Alexei? Sacrificial lamb. See where this is going? I’m tired of the sacrificial lamb trope. “Oh, it’s a new season and we need another death but we’re not going to kill anyone from the actual main cast, let’s throw in more sacrificial lambs.” It gets boring. Predictable. They talked about Season 4 as having “high stakes” and being “gut wrenching''. For me, high stakes are not writing in a new character only to kill him off as a sacrificial lamb later on. That’s pure laziness.

What’s the difference between all those others and Eddie? Barb? Only in season one, died quite fast. Bob? Older and only Joyce’s boyfriend when we all knew she and Hopper would end up together. Billy? Villain coded. Alexei? Just a cute russian with no real relevance. Edide on the other hand fits perfectly in the established group. He’d be the 5th young adult, making the kids and young adults the same amount of people. Which also brings me to my next point

He fits in. He is similar to Max and Robin joining the main group, fitting right in there. Something those other death’s didn’t have. Gaten even compared Eddie’s introduction to Max and Robin, so that gives me a little extra hope.

The season is about finding your confidence. What kind of message is that if Eddie finds the confidence to be a hero only to die two seconds later? Right, it would basically say “Hey, don’t find your confidence, it has bad consequences.” Leaves a really bad taste in my mouth if you ask me.

Joseph wants to come back and hinted multiple times at Eddie’s return. Of course he might just be teasing but ya know it gives me hope. “Oh, yeah, I think so. I can’t see why not. I’d be furious if they’re not bringing me back.” Is the first quote from him. Means to me, they could totally bring him back because he’s not dead and it wouldn’t make sense to not bring him back in S5. For the second I don’t have the actual quote but it was about Eddie and Jonathan meeting in S5 and Joseph was like “We’re pushing for it in Season 5” or something like that. Would be a weird thing to say if he wouldn’t have the possibility to come back, right?

One thing most people don’t know about is that the Duffers took inspiration for Eddie from Damien Echols, a member of the West Memphis Three. He was accused of murdering three kids but was later on proven innocent.

The trailer scene still has me concerned, not going to lie, but given that Dustin is with him, I can see them fleeing into the trailer and finding shelter from the Demobats in there, giving the others just enough time to get into Vecna’s lair.

Joseph did a fantastic job with Eddie and that’s not really a reason to not kill Eddie but I just wanted to mention it here.

They have also been hyping Eddie up before the season started, he’s included into the main poster right in the middle of the main group and tbh, it would be a really really wasted character if they’d just kill him off.

I might be reaching because I need a lifeline here. I might be thinking too much, I might try to turn it all positive but just thinking about his death rubs me the wrong way because at this point, none of us would be surprised if he really would die. We’d be devastated and sad for sure but not surprised because that’s just how the Duffers did it in the past. And that’s why I, as a writer myself, would just not do it this time.

They’re building up for a final season, a big war coming to Hawkins. The stakes have to be higher than a sacrificial lamb.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk called “Eddie’s death would be my 13th reason”, thank you for staying, hope you have a nice day.

(Also thank you very much <3)

[itsryuworld]

what happened with vol.2? I'm the only one feeling robbed?

what the hell happened with jason and his friends chasing the hellfire? suddenly became a "sinclair's hunting" out of nowhere. i don't get it.

what about stancy? robin said steve didn't know what he wants but then he's been thinking in his six nuggets with nancy bc always has been nancy? what?

max was robbed too! i love her so much, she did an amazing performance in "dear billy" but then?? awful. i prefer her to die than her staying in that position now.

lucas was there just to be max support? that's unfair, he deserves his own arc too.

why has karen his own poster this season? she didn't do anything relevant.

eddie died for no reason. he didn't need to come back, but he did it anyway. he was perfectly portrayed and everybody loves him but still someone needs to die and they don't take risks so there's eddie, let him die or whatever.

eleven was learning so much about herself, growing up and find her way, and then she's with mike again and everything gets awkward again. she has her powers now and she's bald, so mike can be her boyfriend again, seriously? don't do this to her!

and will, oh let me start with will! they made him dirty again!! he was there just to suffer and suddenly became a matchmaker for m*lvn despite his own feelings, so he's again hurting and sad, and they promised a will's amazing coming out scene (and it was sweet and significant, but wasn't enough) but it DIDN'T HAPPEND. "will's sexuality will be adressed this season" it wasn't. people are still saying he's not gay and he's in love with eleven. how can you do this to him again? stop it.

and what on earth happened with mike wheeler? i don't know him anymore. he's now eleven's boyfriend but nothing else. he's an asshole and he's useless at this point. he's just there to makes her girlfriend stronger with power of love. he's a bad friend, a bad boyfriend, a bad person even. why mike turns out this way? it's terrible, he's so unlikable now and its sad, i feel so sorry for him.

and what was so funny, though? the cast said things that never happened. we've been tricked? they talked about a lot amazing things but we got nothing. i am so disappointed, only two episodies but it was so awful and disgusting. not will vecna'd? no, even when we saw the harness? the swingset? the "trying to be normal in the pattern, he's trying new things"? nothing happend.

i just feel like vol.2 doesn't fit vol.1 for a lot of reasons. what the fuck they did? mike saying "a fight you can't back from" but then "i love you el, the day i meet you in the woods my life started, i can't live without you"

it feels so out of place, i'm sorry. everything was weird to me. but byler EVEN WIERERD. they set up everyhing for what? will sad and heart broken once again while m*lvn are the main couple for no reason?? and still it seems like byler could actually be something in s5 because we had some hints too! i'm so exhausted but still i'm a delusional for byler.

i don't expect my ship anymore, because they'll need to do A LOT of work to fix it after put mike to saying "meeting you in the woods was the best day of my life" with will stading by his side and despite that was will's worst time bc was taken to the upside down and was traumatized for doing nothing wrong in his life!!

byler vol.1 should be ashamed of byler vol.2!! they were crazy for eachother in vol.1, ready to jump into eachothers arms and THEN WHAT? mike was afraid to lose eleven that's why he didin't say "i love you" before? NO SHIT. doesn't make sense.

i'm done. you better make a perfect byler endgame explaining everything or just stop playing with our hearts and give will a boyfriend an let him be happy, duffer brothers!!!

[wackywriterwhowriteswhenever]

What the entire fuck was that?

Vol. 1 set up so much potential and then they just didn’t take advantage of it.

First off there was no reason the episodes should have been that long. You could’ve wrapped them up in about half the run time.

Aside from that, the whole thing was super problematic: The Queerbait with Will and his obvious feelings for Mike, and the turning around and having Mike say his life began the day El met. And he knew he loved her then; BITCH, WHAT? Where in the fuck did Mike show that AT ALL in season one?

Meanwhile, you have one of the only Black characters being held literally at gunpoint. I don’t need to tell you how problematic that is.

And they did Max and Eddie dirty. You put Max through all that only to have her barely be alive at the end of the season, what the hell?

Vol. 2 reminded me why I don’t place a lot of emotional investment in media and temper my expectations. But even doing both of those, I expected something way better than this.

My personal belief is The Suffers got big egos after S2 and decided to make the show bigger to line their paychecks and boost those egos. They sacrificed their characters and the plot for fan service.

Now all this said, I have MINOR hope for Byler. And I stress minor. Obviously they would have to address this shit and do it well in S5. If they’re smart about it, it could happen.

My reasonings are mainly from the “epilogue” scenes. Take this shit with a grain of salt. 

1. You got Robin bonding with Vickie after Vickie breaks up with her boyfriend. And you see Vickie acting super similar to Robin. This reminded me of Byler.

2. Milkvan didn’t kiss during Vol. 2 at all. They barely even hugged. So the affection between them was kept to a minimum.

3. In Hopper’s Cabin, you have that small Byler moment. I appreciated that Mike even put a comforting hand on Will’s shoulder during that scene. And what caught my attention right away before this was Argyle wearing rainbow socks when they arrived to the cabin.

4. At the tail end when everyone is watching Hawkins burn, pay attention to the staging of the characters behind El. You’ve got Nancy and Jonathan, then Mike and Will then Hopper and Joyce. They are spaced apart from each other, yet Mike and Will are in the center of two now canon couples. Aside from that, in all the pairings, the member of the Byers family is on the right.

I realize I’m probably talking out of my ass on this. I don’t trust The Suffers to do it the way I think they should unless they hire me personally to consult on the show. But part of me has to remain hopeful, even though most of me is hugely pessimistic. 

[jancys-blue-bayou]

I’m not planning on watching volume 2 because of the sheer mess of volume 1 and the disgusting Stancy shipteasing but could you say what the gross Stancy scenes are and if there’s actual substance behind them? Make it make sense please I just wanted Jancy to reunite and be happy and have them have their own individual storylines without this stupid love triangle :(

Hey anon so after all I'd def recommend watching volume 2 if you watched volume 1 because, well volume 1 is worse. On all accounts, both regarding Jancy and just the show in general. And the season ends with Jancy having a sweet reunion, then there's an ambiguous scene with them where they talk but don't really resolve all the tension between them, but at least say they're okay. And most importantly: Final shot of s4 has Jancy, Jopper, Mike, El and Will all together watching how the Upside Down is now fully leaked into our world. And in the shot they have Jopper stand together holding hands and Jancy stand together holding hands. So the season ends on Jancy holding on and staring danger in the face again together, which is of course good. Plus the fact that they mirror Jopper in the scene, the Jopper ship was super realized in vol 2 with making out scenes and all.

The Stancy shipteasing remained just shipteasing and onesided. It was very gross to watch and completely unnecessary (the love triangle is absolutely not needed, they're doing Nancy a huge disservice and Steve as well). First shiptease moment in vol 2 is when Nancy comes out of Vecna's trance (Nancy has a really good scene with Vecna that opens vol 2 so that was cool), basically Vecna just lets her go after telling her everything (why he did that I don't fucking know maybe it'll come up in s5?) and when she snaps out of it Steve catches her and is like "I've got you". Gross but nothing more than that.

Then there's like a moment when they and Robin go into the UD again later, they like halt and look at each other for a moment but nothing more.

There's a scene where Steve randomly tells Nancy that his future dream is to have 6 kids and drive around the country in a winnebago WEIRD THING TO TELL YOUR EX WHO HAS A BOYFRIEND STEVE. Nancy is surprised and says "That's... nice?" and then is like "except for the 6 kids part". She clearly doesn't want to be a baby making factory in a winnebago. I take Nancy in that scene as not really into Steve's future dream but glad he suddenly has one after being so directionless previously. Then later when they're in the UD Steve tells her he wants Nancy to be the woman in that future dream, aka his baby making factory (my words not his but). Nancy looks at him shocked but Robin interrupts before she can respond.

Then they're p much busy fighting supernatural stuff so not anymore big shipteasing moments between them after that, that I can remember at least but I pulled a 13 hour shift before watching vol 2 so I might forget smth.

So the season ends with the Cali gang finally rolling back into Hawkins two days after the big battle. Jancy have a super sweet reunion, he lifts her up and everything, presses a kiss to her forehead. Apologizes for that she couldn't get a hold of him and she tries to start explaining what happened in Hawkins but he tells her he knows, and she's confused and he says he'll explain everything. During this Steve is in the background looking forlorn and Robin pats his back lol.

Then Jancy and El, Max and Will go to see Lucas and Max at the hospital (Max is in a coma). Jancy don't have any lines in this scene but I like that they took the kids.

Then they're at Hopper's cabin, where they plan to hide El. The cabin is in uh bad shape so Nancy whips everyone into cleaning mode. Jancy then have a scene where they talk while boarding up a hole in the wall. First they have a funny moment watching Argyle being weird. Then Jonathan says he's sorry he wasn't there, but Nancy says she's glad he was with Mike and Will. Then Jonathan says he's glad she was in Hawkins bc "Otherwise, who'd have been in charge? Steve?" WHICH IS TRUE everyone in Hawkins would've died 20 times over by ep 3 if it wasn't for Nancy. But here's what I despise the Duffers for, they then have Nancy say: "He's actually grown up quite a bit, you know?" Which is like, fine whatever, that's not saying she has feelings for Steve but it's just so weird to keep a little shipteasing alive still by having Nancy bring up Steve here. Then Jonathan asks if they're okay and Nancy says yeah, but there's some hesitation from both, then they agree it's hard and Nancy says "life keeps throwing things in the way of our big plans" and Jonathan is like "sure seems like it". Then Nancy jokes about putting "saving the world" on your college resume. Then she asks "not that it matters at all" if he's gotten his acceptance letter and he says no not yet and doesn't mention the community college thing. Then scene ends. Then Jopper show up and the Byers family have a sweet reunion as Nancy looks super happy watching it, then it ends with the final shot I mentioned above.

So this was rambling but yeah to sum up: I still think Jancy is endgame. But I hate how the Duffers have written them lately. I don't get why they try to keep the played out love triangle alive into s5 but I guess they think it's good for buzz around the show or whatever. Like I said I hate they have Nancy mention Steve in that last talk, not bc I think she has feelings for him, but bc it's just unnecessary. I think the other stuff they talk about in that scene, the feeling that life keeps throwing obstacles in their way, and the issue around their college plans, that's enough for tension in the relationship. The Stancy shipteasing is completely unnecessary because it's clear Nancy absolutely doesn't want what Steve wants. Also, given all the "looks" in the Stancy shipteasing moments, take note of this: The way Nancy looks at Jonathan is WAY different, deeper, happier, muuuuch more meaningful than how she looks at Steve.

I think Jancy will work through some issues in s5 and come out the other end together. The obstacle of issues around college plans can be solved a myriad of ways, and like Nancy and everyone else says by the end of s4, stuff like that don't really matter much anymore given everything else that's going on. Jancy will be together for s5, face off against evil together again, when they're at their best. And I do think they'll work through their shit and at the end be together.

[dasecretnebula]

Rating Stranger Things Ships:

Byler - 10/10

It’s cute and it makes sense! I feel like it has a lot of evidence! Like the parallels between canon ships! Also the fact that Will is canonically in love with Mike! I don’t think I thought this could be a thing before, but I later realized how beautiful this ship really is! It’s what I’ve been obsessed with for the past few weeks!! <3

Mileven - 3/10

I used to kinda like it more but idk. It’s not the worst but it’s a little weird. I don’t think the first thing El needed after being raised in a lab was a romantic relationship. Like Mike had to teach her what privacy was! He basically kinda raised her too?! And even in S4 it still wasn’t very good. I kinda wanted them to be friends from S1 tbh

Lumax - 8/10

I was just okay with it at first then I started to like it! It’s a pretty good ship! :) love how supportive Lucas was in S4. They’re totally endgame!

Elmax - 7/10

So cute!! I love the fanart! I don’t really ship it (mostly because of Lumax) but I still like it! I loved the scenes they had together. It was nice seeing El do things she actually likes with Max! I definitely like it more than Mileven.

Jopper - 10/10

Yess!! It’s my favorite canon ship and it’s nice knowing that it’s definitely endgame! (unless something happens in S5? Which it probably won’t) I looveee the idea of the Hopper-Byers family! It just feels so perfect! I need a Jopper wedding!!

Ronance - 7/10

I don’t feel like it’s canon but I like the idea of it! The fanart is so cute! Also they’re part of the “fruity four” and I love the idea of that! They make a good duo!

Steddie - 9/10

Also part of the fruity four. This might not have a lot of canon evidence and I didn’t really see it at first, but seeing all the fanart and stuff really made it grow on me! They would make a cool couple! I like headcanons that come along with this including bisexual Steve (because bi and lesbian solidarity) and then being Dustin’s dads!

Stancy - 2/10

Eh no. I don’t know why the shows trying to kinda make them a thing?? I don’t think it’s very good writing. Like it’s weird that they broke up in high school because Nancy realized she didn’t actually love him then she loves him again? Idk

Jancy - 7.5/10

Not my favorite but better than Stancy. I know they have problems or whatever but I think they can work it out. Like as long they don’t break up for Nancy to get with Steve! I think I mostly like this because I find it funny that three kids of the same family like a Wheeler lol! I like the Byler parallels too! Also Murray ships it so I say it’ll be endgame probably

Stonathan - 6/10

I kind like the idea of this! It would be interesting. One thing I think about a lot is how a “love triangle” usually isn’t actually a triangle, it’s more like an arrow ^, but if it were to be complete the two people in love with the one person would also be in love so then it would have three sides! It’s like:

Canon (typical “love triangle”). If Stonathan were a thing (real love triangle):

Steve Johnathan. Steve. ————Johnathan

\. /. \. /

Nancy. Nancy

So that would be fun and kinda satisfying! For a while I’ve wanted to see something like this happen!

Jargyle - 6.5/10

It’s wholesome but I don’t really ship it. The idea of weed smoking boyfriends chilling together is cute! Also them being dumbasses together

Harringrove - 1/10

Nah Billy is a jerk plus him and Steve really don’t get along

Anyway I’ve spent too much time on this 💀

[quidfree]

I agree with everything you said about the finale of Stranger Things 4. The ending is rushed and kinda lacks of emotional impact (really annoying bc it could have been so much better, like El and Hopper reuniting).

I kinda think the Duffers want to keep everything vague as much as possible for, like they said, "the big reveal in ss5", "everything comes full circle",... there's been discussions and analysises where ss5 will go down but it's just based on small hints and subtexts. It's like the main role of ss4 is a set-up for ss5, like an 'open-ending' where every scenario is possible, which is hella confusing tbh.

I have to admit that I was rooting for Will and Mike in vol1, but Vol2 makes me realise that Michael Wheeler is really in need of character development (pls give my boy Will the protangonist era back)

Sorry for my rambling, but i do want to know your take on the character dynamics and what are your most favorite scenes?

ah anon sorry for not answering for like a week, i conflated this w my other stranger things ask and deluded myself into thinking i had

i agree w your finale thoughts- i don’t follow the media circus around the show much but i do get the impression s4 is meant to be set-up for s5, which is very annoying to me because if you’re a good writer set-up should not negate storytelling… there are many shows which use a season to set something up but still tell a compelling standalone story in that season!

re mike and will, i’m fairly neutral abt it, the same way i feel abt all the canon ships in stranger things- the kid ships are all sweet enough, although this season mike and el have been kind of tiring for me (in part because mike did p much nothing this season except be el’s kind of dumbass boyfriend). in any event i think will and mike both could do w a return to early season protag focus and that will deserves an actual coming out and general arc in s5. also you can do better, will!

response to your qs on dynamics and scenes beneath the cut :)

looove steve and his kids obviously- steve and dustin are a no-brainer, but i do wish the others got a couple of real moments with him too (as may be obvious bc i literally wrote that).

steve and robin are very fun. the whole older teen group was great this season, since their personalities were a nice mix- i have to say eddie and steve were really enjoyable together. their dual older brother energy to dustin was very cute. as was eddie’s flirting. or whatever that was meant to be.

on siblings- wish we got some mike and nancy interaction ever. glad lucas and erica got brief moments this season. jonathan and will bonding was very good if brief and a missed opportunity to talk abt the rainbow elephant in the room.

families except the bylers continue to be hilariously absent in the show. when can CPS be called on these people. mikes mom hugging him dramatically will not make me forget how bad of a parent they all are lol.

always enjoy the friendships between the kids- liked will and el a lot this season even tho it was tragically understated, loved mike and will seeing lucas again in hospital, and max’s memories of the group in dear billy. mike and will’s conversations were also admittedly good, despite the unrequited love of it all- they had a relationship core to the show once, so it still holds some weight. i do like lucas and max a lot but i wish lucas wasnt spent so much on Being There For Max hes forever sidelined for no good reason.

underwhelmed by the russia storyline in general- hopper grated on me in s3 and im always team joyce so kind of tired w her having to put up w him and murrays “oh you” vibes but i do enjoy their battle-readiness as a couple. didnt care much abt yuri or the other russian guy (dmitri?) bc it all felt so overdone.

fav scenes: obviously max escaping vecna to kate bush (deserving of her renaissance). the others are going to be random excerpts bc my mind is blanking. eddie telling steve “harrington will drive wontcha big boy” + steve telling nancy he has 6 kids already. the part in the finale where everyone jumps through to the upside down and then throws their weapons through too bc the montage was fun. el throwing the helicopter and then telling papa to choke. will singing neverending story. the ep 7 monologue where 1 reveals the whole plot to nancy (jamie campbell bower fun). the finale segment where everyone is kicking ass and nancy has a shotgun. the way will is like “what friends??” and el goes “stfu” in ep whatever it is. el and max’s reunion. etc.

[jfkd19800]

well... just finished s4v2 of stranger things... I have some thoughts.

First ep length complaints. they def could’ve edited some shit down, but also I think it would’ve been better in 30min eps with like 20 eps in the season. Why aren’t shows doing that anymore??? They had perfect opportunities for good cliffhangers mid ep that should’ve been where the ep ended. Honestly it felt like this season was built for binge watching, none of the episodes really felt distinct. I will happily binge watch any show cause that’s how my brain works, but if I watched it an ep at a time, I don’t think I would’ve kept up with it since the eps were AN HOUR AND A HALF. That’s just not reasonable for a week night

Now spoiler time.

They said will’s sexuality was going to be talked about, it wasn’t. it was just pure gay pinning and the poor boy being in love with his straight friend. diddn’t have high hopes for willxmike, but I at least thought will say he’s gay. but NO

The max thing, i kinda get. But like what killed her? her eyes weren’t a bloody mess and her neck wasn’t snapped, WHAT KILLED HER? I did like the focus on max and el’s friendship, & how it links into how eleven increases her powers, & I get that she restarted max’s heart. But are they going to get into the theological shit of ‘max’s spirit’ needs to be returned to her body to wake up???

Now eddie’s death. litterally the same thing happened to steve, he should be fine. The timing doesn’t make sense, dustin literally jumped back into the upside down as quickly as he could. and are you telling me he didn’t jump on a bike to get to eddie faster??? that kid does not understand caution, I know he fucked up his ankle/foot, but like would that really stop him? Also eddie’s death felt cheap, like yay he didn’t run, but it’s not a payoff if he dies as a consequence of not running. Also dustin always saw him as a hero, so what is this? And eddie not getting recognized as innocent by hawkins is some bullshit.

(I understand they’re playing into the paranoia, but this feels half-assed and unfinished, no comeuppance, even the death of the captain of the basketball team, only lucas knows how he went, and only lucas saw him for the raging lunatic that he was, so the town’s gonna continue to idolize him)

Not saying I would’ve wanted this to happen, but steve was right there. he had his whole bit about wanting a big family and keeping hope and looking forward to the future despite all the shit. he’s right there. Steve dying for nancy, robin, or dustin (eddie at a push) would feel sincere & not half-asses. Also it’s a tv show about a girl with powers, everyone could live, there’s nothing stopping that, it felt like they were waiting for the kiddlets to grow up to finally kill off some characters, if they wanted ‘realistic’ someone from the main cast other than joyce’s boyfriend would’ve died s2 with the demodog/tunnels.

I read some other posts about how half the stuff they said would be addressed this season wasn’t and how a bunch of promo shots and characters seen bts just weren’t included. I’m assuming they started filming s5 at the same time & that netflix is doing the thing where the next season comes out in like 6 months. (which feels like bullshit for the post-production folks).

[fangsforfags]

Shameless Characters as Songs I like:

Frank Gallagher: Prescription by Mindless Self Indulgence. It talks about needing to take pills, and Frank Gallagher loves pills. Honestly it just suits him. 🤷

Fiona Gallagher: To Build A Home by Cinematic Orchestra. We shoulda seen this coming. I mean come one, she seriously went since she was 6 to keep her family together! She always tried for them and was always there for them--pretty much becoming like a mom, a parent, a "home" to her siblings. She's worked so hard to keep them home from Dcfs whenever they got separated. She was the only person close enough to a parent that cared for the kids, and she deserved so much better. She became a better mom than Monica and a better dad than Frank. She became the parent her siblings needed. She made sure they were safe because they are her life.

Lip Gallagher: Get It Up by Mindless Self Indulgence. I really didn't want to use another MSI song but there's a part in the song that says, "...just whatever you do don't talk about your fucking boyfriend while we're having sex..." And it just reminds me of Lip because there are times where his partner is talking about someone else while they do it and it just makes this song choice for him even more relatable.

Ian Gallagher: Wires by The Neighbourhood. I think this song goes good with Ian because there's a part where the singer talks about giving someone their medicine and I think of Ian. And the whole song reminds me of Ian and his bipolar because "the wires got the best of him," where the "wires" is his mental illness.

Debbie Gallagher: Smack a bitch by Rico Nasty. I was debating on songs because I dislike Debbie by a lot and was debating in using Lily Allen's song "fuck you." But I chose Rico's song because honestly Debbie isn't afraid to throw hands with someone. In s5, she went and beat up Holly and Ellie (for no reason bc Debs is a bitch like that) and fought that homeless lady in s7 over that corner. So, Debs throws hand.

Carl Gallagher: Teenagers by My Chemical Romance. Honestly, Carl is a tough, intimidating, ruthless person who could beat the shit out of you. I mean, even in early seasons Carl was kinda ruthless to people and pets. This songs just works for him.

Liam Gallagher: Cool Blue by The Japanese House. Honestly I see Liam as this song because Liam is this quiet, calm, collected kid and this song is soft and calm. Yes i know it's used in s1 of 13rw, but this song reminds me of Liam. It's just a nice song to listen to and Liam is pretty quiet and he's a nice kid too.

Mickey Milkovich: Mistakes Like This by Prelow. This song gives me closeted!Mickey vibes man. When the singer is pretty much saying how they can't stop thinking of a person but they know they shouldn't get involved, it reminds me of Mickey before he started actually caring about Ian. Because he wanted Ian, but he knew he shouldn't want him because of his dad. So he tries to keep Ian away with the "feelings" and all that shit.

Mandy Milkovich: Not Your Barbie Girl by Ava Max. We know that Mandy doesn't let guys use her. In s2 Mandy tells Lip that after a 3rd time they either figure it out or stop, meaning she wasn't gonna be someone that was used only for sex. She had plans for a relationship, and doesn't let boys control her. She's also held a shotgun to T*rry so respect for that. :)

Veronica Fisher: OMG by Iggy Azalea and Wiz Khalifa. I think this song goes to Ms. Veronica Fisher because nobody can compare to her. She's absolutely beautiful and she knows it. She's a bad ass bitch too and doesn't fuck with anybody that tries crossing her. A. Fucking. Queen.

Kevin Ball: Never Gonna Give You Up- Rick Astley. Haha, get Rick Rolled bitches. ✌😄 nah jk but Kev deserves this song because he's so fucking loyal from loving V and only V, to helping the Gallaghers when they need it. Kevin is a really loyal guy and loves everyone and is a protector for his friends and family. Everyone needs a Kevin in their life. :)

Karen Jackson: Daddy Issues by The Neighbourhood. Yes another song by them, deal with it. But this songs reflects Karen perfectly because her dad did humiliate her in front of a group full of people. He called her a whore and made her think he loved her again. It caused her to fuck up a lot and not care for consequences. But with her dad being a dick and her mom not really being there for her to see her succeed, it fucks you up.

Sheila Jackson: Ms. Jackson by The Outkast. "IM SORRY MS. JACKSON. NEVER MEANT TO MAKE YOU DAUGHTER CRY..." Lol but seriously i see Sheila with this song, well because she's Ms. Jackson. And that part I have quoted makes me think if Lip and Karen. But the song overall makes me think of Sheila. Sheila if you're reading this we miss you and want you back. :(

Yo if you got any songs you think would work better with them just comment! :)