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Ned: How many Red Bulls does it take to give me wings?
MJ: I don’t know, but after about 5 I start hallucinating that I can fly.
Peter: You two can’t fly already? Losers.
#ned leads#mj#michelle jones#peter parker#spiderman#marvel#marvel cinematic universe#mcu#the avengers#incorrect marvel quotes#incorrect quotes
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— Bran thought about it. ❝ Can a man still be brave if he's afraid? ❞
❝ That is the only time a man can be brave, ❞ his father told him.
Ned Stark, Lord of Winterfell
#first piece of my asoiaf series#FINALLY FINISHED THIS AFTER A MONTH#it looks off because i had to change the colors for mobile#OH ALSO#outfit is mostly kazakh inspired especially the embroidery#this lead me down a rabbit hole of embroidery inspired by animals#found the name of a wolf one but couldn’t find pictures sadly#so i went with a more snowflake looking one since that still matches the starks#the headdress is supposed to be yakut inspired but the men don’t really wear them#and the beads are more similar in tibet headdresses#so not the most accurate and i’m so sorry for that#i just had a hard time finding references#speaking of references the hands are barely drawn because i couldn’t find a good reference since its my first time really coloring in hands#hairs not my favorite either but it works?? ig??#also border has rose vines to symbolize lyanna since she’s such a major part of ned’s story#weirwood leaves for the weirdwood tree he used to hang out at#also didn’t realize until i finished that i used the show’s sigil for house stark instead of the book one?#whoops!#idk how i feel about this piece#definitely my most detailed one tho#ok enough rambling#a song of ice and fire#game of thrones#ned stark#house stark#valyrianscrolls#asoiaf
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I ignore about 95% of the conversations surrounding Arya having killed people because, outside of Arya stans, people refuse to include the context of the very violent circumstances she experiences + her trauma which influences her actions. She wasn't destined to be a killer and her being forced on the run, having to survive during a war (at times on her own), having to witness countless people being tortured and murdered, being enslaved as a prisoner of war, having to witness the deaths of her family, etc. are all hugely important factors. Not to mention the times when her life is literally on the line and she has to make tough decisions to ensure her survival. The only time her trauma is acknowledged is when people are using it to prove she's "too far gone", otherwise it's essays on how she hasn't suffered that much. It's so boring how people ignore well-developed characters just to reduce them to one or two aspects of their story. And this treatment is only for certain characters; let someone mention Sansa being part of the plot to poison Sweetrobin and all of a sudden, people can understand being forced to make questionable decisions under difficult circumstances.
#arya stark#asoiaf#fandom nonsense#I'm just so uninterested in the same boring repetitive conversations where people debate fanon characterizations...boring! yawning! sloppy!#Sorry?? I guess that she hasn't had the benefit of being in a castle the whole story with relative safety#but people trying to demonize a child who has one of the most harrowing and violent journeys for the decisions she's been forced to make#is ridiculous cause why are you more worried about how Arya reacted then to the actual situation she's in??#If they're feeling especially faux-progressive they'll pretend to care about Daeron and cry about how innocent he was#but of course this never leads to criticism of Ned or Westerosi society...nope just calling Arya a psychopath and nothing else#At this point it's just jealousy because they know their fave never would've survived what she did and not only did she survive#but she showed off incredible skills and intelligence + has only learned and grown more + constantly gets her importance reinforced#yeah I'd be mad if she wasn't my fave either 🤭#the disconnect between Arya antis and George is so funny cause they twist themselves in knots over how /evil/ she is and then there's#George calling her a character everyone will love ooooh shouldn't have picked one of the author's faves to hate on 🤷🏾♀️
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i think there's something in how episode six begins with a darkened lighthouse. the thing it's known for--the light, the warmth, the guidance--is not there.
and the man inside it encourages that very thing. the man inside it is the very catalyst.
#OFMD#OFMD Season 2#OFMD S2 Spoilers#Stede Bonnet#Ned Low#Revenge Rambles#the way i haven't gifed today because i can't stop tALKING HSDJKLS#I CAN'T STOP RUNNING IN META CIRCLES#and i decided it would be a good idea to do a re-watch before i potentially start some gifs#because i have been sitting on things all day#BUT NOPE#ONLY LEADING TO MORE THOUGHTS#MORE THOUGHTS ALL THOUGHTS SO MANY THOUGHTS
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also with all the damage the show did to jon's reputation as a good northern lad and wildling i hope germ comes out with like. yeah he's rhaegar and lyanna's son and the name she gave him while bleeding out on the birthing bed alone but for her big brother holding her hand in a tower with no way to know that baby aegon had been murdered leaving the title of Egg 6 up for grabs was like. howland.
#another big issue of fandom missing the narrative forest for the tinfoil theory trees for me is the duality at the core of jon's story#and centering targ vs stark when he's spent all the books fighting his identity as a stark vs a watchman#and Finally coming to a point where he can deny stannis and say i have a name. being satisfied with being a snow bc it does not matter#at the wall nor beyond it. and his fatal flaws in adwd are 1. he can't lead the way westerosi feudalism demands 2. he loves his family#two things that point very far away from him being a secret targaryen as something actually consequential beyond its role on history#and in places where his parentage matters is about wondering who his mother is. and his mother is lyanna and she loved him.#and ned promised her. who gives a shit abt rhaegar he is literally ned stark's son! and arya and sansa and bran and rickon's big brother!#at this stage what he is to the Greater North (wall & beyond) and the Westerosi North (thru his siblings) is more important than anything#and if he's destined for anything in THAT duality it's king beyond the north though i recognize that that is my tinfoil hill to die on#anyway. if the show confirmed anything abt targ jon as far as i'm concerned its how vital young griff/egg6 is gonna be going forward#mawdop#asoiaf
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honestly I really like the fact we don't know shit about Laura Milkovich cause neither Mickey or Mandy knows shit about Monica and they haven't met her either it seems fair
#i mean its only fair that we're in the dark about laura#i don't like the fact they're always contradicting their previous statement but only cause it is not on purpose but a script error#otherwise i would be fine with it i could kind of enjoy it actually#i also bet they never really exchanged much about either their mothers. mandy seems to resent hers and ian clearly loves monica and shes#fucked but also sick so excusable? and mandy doesnt like to hear about it cause makes her feel bad. mickey just rarely speeks about his mom#and he never asks about monica cause he kind of hates her for the whole s4 and s5 thing and for making ian cry s1? and thats cause he doesn#even know that monica was the one to take ian to the club s2 leading to him getting with ned and the s4 thing right?#ian gallagher#mickey milkovich#mandy milkovich#shameless#shameless us#monica gallagher#og.#fic idea
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can someone who’s watched Black Sails spoil the Ned Low storyline for me? I’m not sure how much longer I can watch with him not knowing what happens with him. (I’m on S2E2, I think.) It’s just a lot a lot, even on a show about 18th century pirates lol
#avery liveblogs#black sails#black sails spoilers#I like the show! but he feels uniquely scary to me in a way I’m super uncomfortable with#and I wanna watch the series! but hunting for the Ned Low stuff feels like I’ll ruin the whole thing for myself#so if someone could kindly spoil this one specific thing#that would be great#ily thank you so much 😘#I will take your lead as experts for how much detail is necessary#🤟
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What do you think would happened if sansa stayed in winterfell instead of going to KL?
I am gonna assume that you mean Sansa stayed in Winterfell, but the other things still happen? If so, then Sansa’s fate would be a hundred time worse. Theon had this nasty little thought about Sansa:
A pity Ned Stark had taken his daughters south; elsewise Theon could have tightened his grip on Winterfell by marrying one of them. Sansa was a pretty little thing too, and by now likely even ripe for bedding. But she was a thousand leagues away, in the clutches of the Lannisters. A shame. (A Clash of Kings - Theon IV)
Theon would absolutely try to use Sansa and if, by a miracle, she managed to escape him she would fall in the hands of a bigger monster: Ramsay and tv-show scenario would play out. If you look at it from this perspective Sansa was not wrong for not agreeing with the plan to go back.
#answered#sansa stark#it’s a good thing Cersei and LF stopped Ned from leaving by ship#because it saved Sansa (and potentially Arya) from a worse fate#yes Ned did die because of it#but I would rather have that then Sansa suffering#sorry not really sorry#and before antis attack me Ned would agree with me#and you guys know it too#he would choose a quick beheading over Sansa leading a torturous life any day of the week
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why is it that every time i play as a stark i end up as king of the north and every time i play as a targaryen i end up as king of the iron ISLANDS
#chaos plays#ck2#asoiaf#genuine insanity. four playthroughs as aegon the big dick conqueror#and every time im crowned its always of the iron FUCKING islands#anyways. my most recent playthrough of cregan crowned him king. ned was crowned king like three years after the rebellion.#multiple times i played as robb and each time he was crowned as kind in the north#aside from that one time when he had spectacular luck and accidentally married into the iron throne via bran's wife and a revolution#lead by her. and when she tried to conquer the north she died and right after bran died and boom robb is suddenly the king of westeros#success???
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ned beatty as gene mullen in friendly fire
primetime emmy award nominee for outstanding lead actor in a limited series or movie
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Ok. Bran vii made me tear up.
#valyrianscrolls#bran 7#a game of thrones#the dread building#the kids knowing#summer consoling shaggydog#bran telling rickong they should wait togehter and then consoling his brother#the boys crying even before maester lewin leads the words#the tears on the maesters eyes#all of it#the waves of neds death are going to hit me one chapter after the other now#they all loved him so much and now they will grieve him and its only the begining
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oh yeah here's my Fittes fic pitch, while I'm still riding the high of finishing another chapter: it's a story with the healing of the Fittes team post-Ned's death at its heart. surrounding that core is a character study of how Kipps deals with disillusionment and self-doubt, his so-called high mortality rate as a supervisor, his complicated relationship with his team, his family history, and his fears about the future. and after reflections on the deaths he's witnessed, the child agents he's lost, and the broken relationships he believes are lost forever (spoiler: they're not), the ending points to something Tolkien says in one of his letters ("There is a place called ‘heaven’ where the good here unfinished is completed; and where the stories unwritten, and the hopes unfulfilled, are continued. We may laugh together yet").
here is the link :)
#just uploaded chapter 10...... i'm actually quite happy with where certain threads are leading#is the characterisation perfect? no. i ended up blending show and book Ned for one thing#and i'm not entirely convinced i get kat and lockwood's voices down#however i'm having a BLAST so far. have not broken down crying the way i did while writing blue as midnight (yet?)#but some of the resolutions to the conflicts are very important to me :'))))#writing adventures#songbird's year of feeling 22#i am also pretty happy with the original characters i've added and the family histories i've given ned bobby and kat!
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All i know is that i need some kind of interaction between these two in the final season.
aegon 2 and 3 are such. wildly tragic characters. your name is aegon you were never a person because your name is aegon and your father sacrificed everything for a son. not you, though. you were his duty. so your name is aegon. and your mother loves you, but you were also her duty. she resents you for it as much as she loves you. who cares what type of person you become? you’ll still become aegon and you’ll sit on that throne. you’re simply a reflection of every violent act such a throne requires. history will remember that you lost, and history will remember that you are aegon II targaryen; you were king and then you died. who are you?
and then! your name is aegon. your mother named you aegon because your uncle is aegon and your mom needed another aegon. your mom loves you desperately. she keeps you like a shadow. you watch your mother die in fire. you watch your brother die in the ocean. you watch your brother die in the air. men you don’t know put you on the throne that killed your mother and your father and your brothers because your name is aegon and you are king. you try to be a good king. you marry the daughter of the man who killed your family. she’s the only person who can possibly understand you. and she dies too. your name is aegon and the people know you as the dragonsbane, a destroyer of legacies, sullen and angry. you only smile once in recorded history: when your little brother unexpectedly comes home alive. but then he has a son. and he names that son aegon. and all the dragons die, but the fire that killed your mother spreads.
#aegon ii targaryen#aegon iii targaryen#hotd#house of the dragon#queue tea pie#like they could have some cersei/sansa potential#how aegon ii executed rhaenyra and the actions of cersei lead to having ned stark executed#then they proceed get the child of the so called traitors betrothed to their own kid.#and the parallels they have with the child#cersei/sansa and aegon ii/aegon iii
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I'm not saying The Terror in general and Joplittle specifically have definitively given me permanent brain rot but I am finding it funny that I'm picking up parallels and similarities with both in a series as far removed from it as Netflix's Blue Eye Samurai
#first of all you've got mizu/jopson:#black-haired blue-eyed hyper-competent people from poor backgrounds with a missing/awol father and an addiction-addled mother#both are considered weird-looking (mizu in-universe and jopson in fandom) and are usually aloof but can be witty funny and charming#both also have complicated emotionally-fraught relationships with a big red-haired irishman who serves as a pseudo father figure#oh OH and they both have severe abandoment issues and guilt-related trauma#then there's taigen/little - they're both cringe-fail dudes who suck at leadership but are good men at heart and#who are kind and loyal to a fault and will not suffer injustices done to others#they also both come from a place of privilege in contrast with mizu/tom and are good-looking well-bred men in positions of prestige/power#ned also contrasts with mikiyo (mizu's husband) bc of the whole stoic gentlemanly horse boy aesthetic#akemi is both hickey AND jfj in reverse but nobody is ready for that level of discourse so I'll just file it away to gnaw on later#then there's the whole colonial/imperialist narrative and the kind of damage such systems do even unto the smallest of scales#and how the colonial mindset is in and of itself usually its own downfall bc c'mon mizu also shares parallels with silna AND tuunbaq#just like mizu is both the samurai AND the onryo and she will be the very downfall of the colonizers who caused her to appear#AND also the sir john/shogun parallel of hubris coming back to literally bite you in the ass#i.e. sir john disregarding danger for imperialist vanity and gloryhounding vs. the shogun's imperialist mindset and greed#leading to him dying by a colonizer's hand#y'all I'm am experiencing fandom in the nth dimension right now but maybe that's just hunger and/or low blood sugar talking#idk man idk I'm seeing patterns I'm connecting dots#rant post#joplittle (adjacent)#the terror... sort of
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The King Come Over and his bride Ygritte Firekissed
art by : @shripscapi
Edited to add: I was hoping that people that did not like this ship could still appreciate the art as I gave them two separate pieces, but people have been coming into my inbox on all platforms, so let me encourage you to block the Jongritte and Ygritte tags on tumblr or twt, as well as me so you will not have to see it if this is you. I also would encourage you to create your own AU as it is very fun. My AU is based on Jon becoming King before leaving the Freefolk, so following his psychology as a character, Ygritte is his only choice as consort as long as she’s alive. You can make your own with Val if you want, but I do not owe anyone to pay for commissions of their preferred characters.
Look at my King dawg we’re definitely getting through the Wall!!!
For the last month and a half, I have been working closely with Liesl to design concepts for Jon as King Beyond the Wall and Ygritte as his Queen. Personally, I’m not invested at all in Jon becoming King of the Seven Kingdoms despite him being my favorite character. He’s not very connected with the South and I don’t feel that it’s his birth right or anything, even being the son of Rhaegar. I am significantly more interested in him becoming King in the North, but my interest in Freefolk culture has led me to be far more invested in the idea of him rejecting Southron society as a whole and becoming King Beyond the Wall (this isn’t necessarily mutually exclusive to being King in the North later on).
The motivation for Jon becoming King as opposed to Mance stems from a theory that has been around since AGOT has come out: that the Others will only treat with/negotiate with a Stark. In the prologue of AGOT, when the Others are speaking among themselves before killing the Watchmen, what if they were confirming with each other that Waymar Royce was not a Stark and that they could go ahead and kill him? All in all, it doesn’t really matter if this is true, but rather that this is a plausible rumor that could easily have been passed down among the Freefolk which could lead Mance to conclude that Jon as a leader would give the Freefolk the best chance of survival. It’s not very hard, at least in my opinion, to imagine an AU like this, since survival is the most important thing to the Freefolk during the events of ASOIAF. But is it plausible that under these circumstances that Jon would abandon his Night’s Watch vows? I think so if he can be led to believe that only Stark blood could defeat the Others, but that is not the only factor. Jon Snow is insecure about his bastard status, plain and simple. He’s always lived in the shadow of his Robb, though he loved him. He’s wanted Winterfell, though he didn’t want to nor had any intention to take it from Robb. But he’s known since he was a small boy that he could never Winterfell and that would never inherit anything because he was a bastard. Jon also has thoughts, at least in passing, that Ned loved Robb more than him. He perceives Ned as having been more proud of Robb, of looking at him differently than himself. He’s seemingly always believed this, but there is a sort of confirmation of Jon’s feelings when Ned allows him to join the Night’s Watch without much preparation on what the Watch is actually like. Fully me making assumptions here, not something Jon has explicitly thought, but it’s unlikely that Ned would have sent Bran off at 14 to the Watch without much warning of what it was like, had Bran not become paralyzed. While we never get this exact thought process from Jon, in my opinion it fits into his psychology and insecurity. All this to say, if Jon is offered to be a figurehead, King, a title equal to his brother, but without taking anything away from the Starks or from Robb, that would almost certainly scratch that itch in him. It would be of his own merit, and there would be people behind him that don’t care that he’s a bastard, don’t see him as less than, and are willing to accept him for who he is. Not to mention that it also lets him feel like a hero and as if he is saving something far more precious than himself. And it probably doesn’t hurt that he would be able to remain with Ygritte as well.
We know from the descriptions of Mance and Dalla, as well as from being told directly by the former, that the King and his wife dress like all the other Freefolk, in thick furs. While the Jon and Ygritte arts from above are not particularly ostentatious by Southron standards, they are in obvious contrast to how Mance and Dalla are dressed. My idea was that Jon, having lived South of the Wall in a Lord’s keep all of his life, brought his own ideas to the Freefolk and added a distinction between a King and all other men. Nothing like in King’s Landing, all changes are inspired by his experience at Winterfell. I tried to think of what was achievable by the Freefolk, that would be difficult enough that it can’t be easily replicated for everyone else, but also keeping in mind of what could be done relatively quickly seeing as the Freefolk are focused on migrating South and saving themselves from the Others. The cultures I took inspiration for the clothing from are the Byzantines, Russians, Incans, Aztecs, and Mongolians. I wanted more “open” and flowy clothing, as opposed to more closed off and excessively modest clothing of 1300-1500s Europe that most of Westeros is based off of. Ygritte is still wearing furs, but they are dyed and there is weirwood embroidery in symbolism of the Old Gods and flame embroidery to symbolize her being kissed by fire. Her jewelry are simply clay beads that have been powdered blue. I didn’t want to give her any jewels as I felt it would be too difficult for the Freefolk to cut them directly and just overall would be against the spirit of the Freefolk. However, getting the blue on the clay like that still would be expensive and take a lot of time. I tried to keep the main color scheme surrounding gray as obviously that’s House Stark’s color. Jon’s clothes are similarly nice, with my main concern being him looking intimidating. I want the furs around his shoulders to be black because I wanted to call back to his time in the Night’s Watch without him keeping his psychical cloak, because I’m sure the Freefolk would not want him to do that. The furs are massive and make his shoulders look far larger, in an effort to make him look more intimidating, especially on a battlefield or in negotiations. He also has weirwood embroidery and his sigil is on the front of his outfit (my original idea was for him to have a flag with his heraldry on it, in which case the sigil would have looked far different, with a full length direwolf). There’s a white wolf on one side and either a crow or eagle on the other side (up for interpretation, both are relevant to Jon and one is one of the animals that can be used a symbol of the Freefolk) and the flame in the middle to represent Ygritte, but also defeating the Others as fire is the way Jon originally tried combating them as a steward at the Wall. The sigil is more than about Jon, after all, as it’s for the entirety of House Whitewolf, the House he founds. I thought the name fit far more in to Freefolk culture than something like Whitestark or something along those lines. Ygritte was supposed to have sewn on the sigil herself, and was very adamant about it, and that is meant to be why the thread is uneven and more visible than it ought to be. She’s not very good at the craft!
As I indicated before, crowns are not something common to Freefolk. That would be something else Jon would implement. Ygritte’s crown is very much like a hat, very casual. The beads are nice but obtaining them wouldn’t be unheard of, and holly most likely would not be particularly hard to come by. The reason I gave her a crown with holly is that during Christmas in the Tudor period and even before during pagan celebrations, people would go out into the woods and find holly and ivy to decorate their houses with. Holly was a symbol of masculine energy and ivy feminine energy. If you found more holly, it was meant to indicate that the man would rule the household for the year, and if you found more ivy then the woman would rule the household in the coming year (this was a way to “tell the future” not a rule lol). I liked the holly better for Ygritte so I’m just saying the Freefolk had the opposite belief. Jon’s crown is made of weirwood, which was important to me as I feel like his connection the Old Gods is also important as it is something that him and Freefolk both use to guide them. It ties them together. That being said, a weirwood crown is often used for Bran so I did not want to use a design that was too similar to the one used for him. Bran’s weirwood crown usually is made of weirwood branches, however, and not weirwood bark or logs, so I feel like it’s different enough. The frozen weirwood sap, as far as I know, is also unique to this design. There’s also some ivy to parallel with Ygritte’s holly.
The remaining bits and bobs I wanted to explain are the blue rose and then the face paint. The blue rose is obviously something associated with Lyanna Stark, who is widely accepted to be the mother of Jon Snow. I originally wanted to give him a rose somewhere, whether he was holding it or it was in his embroidery, but I forgot to ask during sketching, and then it was too late. But Ygritte holding the blue rose isn’t just about Lyanna. It’s also about Bael the Bard, a most likely fictitious person (or at least, the tale is fictitious, though I personally choose to believe it’s real) that went South of the Wall posing as a bard. He impressed the Lord of Winterfell so much that he granted Bael anything he wished; all Bael asked for was the most beautiful flower in Winterfell. This was granted for him, but the next morning he had stolen the Lord of Winterfell’s only child, a girl, and had left the flower in her bed in her place. He hid in the crypt with her for a year and they had a son together. Bael eventually went back North of the Wall and eventually Winterfell, having no other heir, passed to Bael’s child. Under this story, Jon is descended from Ygritte’s idol (maybe idol is stretching it, but she really likes him), Bael the Bard. Not only him, but all the Freefolk including Ygritte, according to her story. Following the story’s premise, Jon also poses as Bael and Ygritte as Winterfell’s daughter, with Jon joining her home under false pretenses and “stealing her”, as she calls it. So the blue rose has significance regarding both the Starks and the Freefolk. The face paint is inspired by tattooing done by cultures indigenous to North America. Indigenous Americans are not the only groups to use facial tattooing, the Vikings were famous for it as well, but Viking facial tattooing had more patterns based on shapes rather than lines and dots. I didn’t like the shapes so much, but the chin tattoo was one was that observed in all sorts of different cultures. Usually the chin tattoos with the line were on women in indigenous America, but I found some on men in other outside cultures. The dots I didn’t see outside of Native American culture and the claw marks on Jon’s cheeks I found mainly among Vikings. Because these all are an amalgamation of different cultures, we did them as face paint instead of tattoos because it seemed disrespectful otherwise. Not enough research went into it to be a proper representation of any one culture so paint was a better bet than a permanent body modification that is sacred to a number of cultures. The only thing that was meant to be a tattoo was the chin tattoo, which like I said, actually is from an amalgamation of cultures. Among the Freefolk (in this AU), dots on the cheeks are widespread, one of cultural mainstays of their people, and are generally a sign of peace, whereas the claws are meant to look intimidating and is applied to look like blood (Ygritte applies it for Jon) and is specifically used for military leaders. I really wanted to drive home the point that the goal with Jon’s whole look is to look fearsome.
I have so much more to say about Jon as King Beyond the Wall, how he negotiates with the Wall, the different rules he sets in place, how he sets up being King as a hereditary title once his daughter Bael is born, etc etc, but then I’d be here all day and approximately one person total read through all this. Oops! Ask in my inbox if you have any questions because I would love love love to answer them. All in all, shripscapi (Liesl) is so talented and she worked incredibly hard for me. She was extremely accommodating and changed as much stuff as I wanted. She never complained about the million times I decided something was not quite right and she sent me so many updates. I would recommend working with her to just about anybody. It was very cool what she was able to achieve and I got it in time for the holidays so I can enjoy my winter themed pfp on twt. So thank you from the bottom of my heart Liesl, and I hope everyone showers her with compliments because she deserves it. I also hope that people that don’t enjoy Ygritte very much can still appreciate the art and the concept of Jon as King Beyond the Wall. Hopefully I’ve gotten across how much I love and care for these characters to a chronically online degree and nobody accuses me of mischaracterizing them because that would make me!!!! very sad!!!
Bonus Jon with weirwood leaves:
#asoiaf#a song of ice and fire#game of thrones#jon snow#ygritte#jon x ygritte#jongritte#valyrianscrolls#fanart#asoiaf fashion#asoiaf meta
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While we’re on the subject of names, is there an explanation for how traditional nicknames came about that are seemingly unrelated to, or have little in common with, the original name?
ie- John/Jack, Richard/Dick, Henry/Harry/Hank, Charles/Chuck, Margaret/Peggy/Daisy, Sarah/Sally, Mary/Molly, Anne/Nan, etc
I am actually over a week into researching a huge follow-up post (probably more than one if I’m being honest) about the history of nickname usage, so I will be going into this in much, much more detail at a hopefully not-so-later date - if I have not lost my mind. (Two days ago I spent three hours chasing down a source lead that turned out to be a typographical error from 1727 that was then quoted in source after source for the next 150 years.)
As a preview though, here’s some info about the names you mentioned:
The origins of a good portion of common English nicknames come down to the simple fact that people really, really like rhyming things. Will 🠞Bill, Rob🠞Bob, Rick🠞Dick, Meg🠞Peg.
It may seem like a weird reason, but how many of you have known an Anna/Hannah-Banana? I exclusively refer to my Mom’s cat as Toes even though her name is Moe (Moesie-Toesies 🠞 Toesies 🠞 Toes).
Jack likely evolved from the use of the Middle English diminutive suffix “-chen” - pronounced (and often spelled) “-kyn” or “kin”. The use of -chen as a diminutive suffix still endures in modern German - as in “liebchen” = sweetheart (lieb “love” + -chen).
John (Jan) 🠞 Jankin 🠞 Jackin 🠞 Jack.
Hank was also originally a nickname for John from the same source. I and J were not distinct letters in English until the 17th Century. “Iankin” would have been nearly indistinguishable in pronunciation from “Hankin” due to H-dropping. It’s believed to have switched over to being a nickname for Henry in early Colonial America due to the English being exposed to the Dutch nickname for Henrik - “Henk”.
Harry is thought to be a remnant of how Henry was pronounced up until the early modern era. The name was introduced to England during the Norman conquest as the French Henri (On-REE). The already muted nasal n was dropped in the English pronunciation. With a lack of standardized spelling, the two names were used interchangeably in records throughout the middle ages. So all the early English King Henrys would have written their name Henry and pronounced it Harry.
Sally and Molly likely developed simply because little kids can’t say R’s or L’s. Mary 🠞 Mawy 🠞 Molly. Sary 🠞 Sawy 🠞 Sally.
Daisy became a nickname for Margaret because in French garden daisies are called marguerites.
Nan for Anne is an example of a very cool linguistic process called rebracketing, where two words that are often said/written together transfer letters/morphemes over time. The English use of “an” instead of “a” before words beginning with vowels is a common cause of rebracketing. For example: the Middle English “an eute” became “a newt”, and “a napron” became “an apron”. In the case of nicknames the use of the archaic possessive “mine” is often the culprit. “Mine Anne” over time became “My Nan” as “mine” fell out of use. Ned and Nell have the same origin.
Oddly enough the word “nickname” is itself a result of rebracketing, from the Middle English “an eke (meaning additional) name”.
I realized earlier this week that my cat (Toe’s sister) also has a rebracketing nickname. Her name is Mina, but I call her Nom Nom - formed by me being very annoying and saying her name a bunch of time in a row - miNAMiNAMiNAM.
Chuck is a very modern (20th century) nickname which I’ll have to get back to you on as I started my research in the 16th century and am only up to the 1810s so far lol.
#names#nicknames#onomastics#history#asks#nicknames are really hard to research you guys#there is so much info out there and it's almost all nonsense#and I'm talking academic books with listed sources not buzzfeed listicles#some guy in the 18th century forgetting to mention Bill on a list of common nicknames does not mean it wasn't in use at the time ma dude#i've had to get very creative with sources#god bless word for word murder trial testimony
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