#natsuo todoroki deserves better

[arceus-insanity]

Endeavor Deserves No Sympathy!

I don't understand how anyone can think Endeavor was ever a good dad. It also always comes off as incredibly victim blamie, especially towards Touya, and often Shoto too.

He literally only got married and had kids to use them. He never gave a shit about their well being, never even thought about it until he had the one thing he cared about and was still miserable. I've already gone over the math proving he gave up on achieving his dream himself at 21 at the absolute latest. (https://www.tumblr.com/arceus-insanity/763259515356512256/i-liked-endeavors-character-when-he-was?source=share)

And basic math will once again be used to prove just how little this waste of flesh actually tries.

This time the focus is on how quickly he abandoned Touya and immediately went to emotional abuse via neglect & literally replacing him, and once again risking that more children be born with self-destructive quirks.

For context we only see Endeavor doing anything with his kids that's not him literally walking through and ignoring them in two circumstances. Once when Fuyumi's a newborn and Touya is attempting to crawl (not walk) over to her. And training. Those are the only times he tries to spend with any of them, even after he starts his 'atonement'

Now comparing Touya in the scene of them training and himself as a toddler and all the child imagery this series loves to use instead of actually saving imperfect victims, Touya is at least 3 (probably closer to 4) when he's taken to the doctor and they are informed of his condition

Natsuo is 4 and a half years younger than him.

We know for a fact Natsuo (& Shoto) was conceived after they got the news, not willingly either. Pregnancy takes 40 weeks average, so Touya would still be 3 when Natsuo was conceived. So once again it took this 'man' less than a year to give up and have another child he hoped to use as a tool, and was explicitly making to hurt his existing son. And as I have said plenty of times before, risking that the new kids could be born with the same disorder, I hate how convenient it is that Shoto gets near zero negative quirk side effects.

Want to know what we never see, Endeavor doing something else with Touya and Touya demanding training, it's always him walking past/ away from Touya. Considering all of the shit they've pulled to soften Endeavor's abuse both in the manga and even more so in the anime, they wouldn't skip something like this. It's not hard to tell that Touya's 'obsession with training' is really about spending time with his dad, you know like a human child that literally needs love, proven by numerous studies and research in the real world.

He throws all parenting responsibilities onto Rei, adds more children to that load, and when Touya suffers for it (like everyone else) he does nothing, doesn't even hire a nanny

Another are you kidding me take I've seen is that somehow Touya's quirk issues are worse than Midoriya's and Yuga's. Touya managed to train his quirk to produce blue fire at 13 with zero equipment and less than no help, and only lost control of it, because of the mental abuse Endeavor had inflicted on him leading him to a mental breakdown. And/ or the theory I've only seen once of AFO using his ability to force quirk activation (seen with a passed out chapter 90 during his first confrontation with All Might)

Midoriya was breaking his bones all the way into the Shie Hassaikai arc and was only able to fight because Eri and was breaking support equipment in the following arc as well. Yuga had a support belt all the way back in the entrance exam and was still struggling with that.

Speaking of Yuga let's compare parental effort here, because as much as it backfired Yuga's parents tried a whole lot more. For starters they nearly bankrupted themselves to get him a quirk, so he could feel equal. All For One is a mythic man prior to his arrest, and those who knew of him were shown to be serious long-term villain groups, so they had gone to quite a bit of effort to find that he existed to begin with. They also got him support gear (the navel belt thing) as a kid to help him with said quirk, he literally had it in the entrance exam. Endeavor never looked into that, Endeavor is not only rich too but he's a top hero he would have direct access to support equipment companies that would jump at the opportunity and it never even occurred to him.

Endeavor's name is an irony as endeavour means to try hard to do or achieve something. He never tries hard he gives up incredibly quickly the second there's any road block, but instead of moving on he makes everyone suffer for it. He's a toxic pageant mom who'd rather force their child into a toxic world and a role they don't want than work on himself

And what finally makes him change? Getting exactly what he wanted and still being miserable, and he still expects through his actions his family to cater to him.

Not his son getting a major disability due to his actions, no, he decided to double down, mentally abusing and neglecting the son he supposedly loves, raping his wife who didn't want more kids or participate in this abuse, and again risking that Natsuo & later Shoto might have that same issue. Not when his wife breaks down and permanently scars his precious masterpiece, who proceeds to rightfully blame him, and he just thinks of it as a tantrum despite it lasting a fucking decade. Not when his eldest literally dies as the result of his selfishness. Not literally during any part of this entire process!

Dabi is 23 when Endeavor finally starts to 'try' to be better, that means that for at least 24 years he has only been caring about his fucking precious number one spot in a popularity contest that he couldn't even bother to try to be likeable for, this wasn't one bad decision, this was him constantly choosing to be so insanely selfish that he found ways that shouldn't even be possible for over two decades. And it was all him.

[leagueofprotagonists]

Just to be clear I have no intention of having Bakugou, Midoriya, or Shoto join the League in this.

There are a few reasons for that

There are plenty of that already, if that's what you want, there's plenty out there already

I don't want them taking over the AU. In all those mentioned AUs, they are the focus, my focus is the League, so I have no intention of letting them take it over

I want them antagonistic, they are going to representative of the system (Hero Society) the League are taking down.

Even with just the Character Profile I made for Natsuo, it doesn't work, and this is an actual unique element I'm quite looking forward to

With how the series ended I can't see them switching sides

Personally I don't like the first two, in fact I have very negative opinions of them, and as a major Touya fan I have been overexposed to Shoto. While I do intend to take this AU seriously with deep consideration, it is my AU & blog and I don't want them joining the League, or becoming villains or even vigilantes

[arceus-insanity]

You could also fit Midoriya and Bakugou into his motive to, with the family dinner, how they both seem at least partially aware of what Endeavor did but there responses are

Bakugou: yells at Fuyumi for talking about family issues. And just acts like Endeavor all the time, with his entitlement and default violent behavior. Aizawa literally said on tv the reason he didn't believe Bakugou would join the League was not because of moral reasons, but because Bakugou viewed the League as losers. Bonus points if Shigaraki or the League ever expressed regret for trying to recruit his spoiled rotten ass.

And then Midoriya telling Shoto he's forgiving Endeavor because he's a good person. This would be a great final nail in the coffin, because abusers like Endeavor only exist because of enablers like Midoriya

I'd imagine finding out Shoto told Midoriya about their father, and Bakugou overheard it would make things even worse. Both because neither did anything and those prior actions, but the fact that Shoto didn't even mention that Touya died. That he might as well have never existed to Shoto, especially as when Shoto had earlier in the series didn't mention Fuyumi or Natsuo or his siblings in general, when lamenting about his childhood (can't remember which chapter this one, but I'm pretty sure it's one of the earlier ones). Especially when Natsuo brought up all of them suffering when chewing Endeavor out

To be clear this is a mixture between how I see things, and Natsuo how would

Honestly, I think it would have been really interesting if Natsuo had been the traitor.

He had a hell of a motive. Older brother is killed in a tragic accident brought about because of their father, younger brother is abused by their father, mother is institutionalized because of his father, and Endeavor faces justice for absolutely none of it.

All of a sudden this news broadcast showing Stain yelling for the public to open their eyes to the false heroes among them happens...just saying, that could have appealed to more than one of the Todoroki siblings.

And with Shouto a UA student, that places Natsuo in a prime position to potentially gather information about classes on and off campus. He wouldn't be an active member of the LoV; he's just the mole. It might be a stretch to say he wanted Shouto in harm's way, but if you remember that Shouto was exhibiting the exact same anger and arrogance Endeavor had, there was room for a narrative where Natsuo reached a, "Fuck, now there's two of them," mentality and didn't care what happened to him. And that only expands on the betrayal. Shouto realizes he's on a path to become his father, then starts trying to reconnect with his mother and estranged siblings. Natsuo doesn't even have to approach him to form a connection.

...

Shouto: Why did you do this?

Natsuo: If you had any original thoughts of your own, you'd have done it, too. But I guess it's not your fault Endeavor raised you to be a puppet.

Shouto: This isn't who you are.

Natsuo: *not even anger at this point, just pity* Are you sure? Can you say with any certainty that you know any of your siblings? Or am I just the one who went to college, Fuyumi is the one who cooks, and Touya is the one who died?

[gece-misin-nesin]

i hate it when media portrays someone angry about what happened to them or loathing their abuser as someone who's 'letting anger control them' and 'not healing'. i don't see why unequivocally despising and hating the person who hurt you means you aren't/can't be healing. like, why does every character have to forgive and forget to heal? why can't characters just resent their abusive parents while still healing/having healed. why can't they be angry about their traumatic experiences without every other character telling them bullshit like 'you should forgive' or whatever? it's so fucking annoying AND entirely unoriginal.

[toyasgirl]

Am i the only one who doesn’t like this line? Not just her line but the todo family lines when it comes to touya

I mean i was waiting for the official maybe she could sound better than the scans but it’s even worse

It shows how she doesn’t want anyone to go down with touya (rei and enji die with touya) but she never said anything about touya himself? Like it should’ve been “touya, please!! Don’t take yourself again!” Or smth like that like touya is the one who’s closer to death than any of them. It’s like fuyumi still can’t see touya and she sees him as making the family she wants falling apart and like she doesn’t care about if he was included or not. It’s really so sad to see how each todo member still can’t see, feel and know touya’s pain and they all still act with him as they used to do. Also natsuo’s line isn’t even much better. First it was rei underestimate touya’s pain and then shoto defends Touya’s abuser in front of him and then enji sees touya all burned and instead act like that is fine and ask if shoto is okay and now fuyumi and natsuo :/ like Touya deserve soooooo much better than this family. They learned nothing and they all still the same.

[dudhsd]

This Is Depressing.

Sigh.

[arceus-insanity]

Not to mention the rest of the family backing her up on this. Like this shit is literally what put you here to begin with

the parallel of Rei saying Shouto is their family's hero and their only hope for the future and Enji telling his sons they're designed to be the number one hero and surpass All Might and they're his only hope for the future... Like we can all agree that this is the same exact child abuse that lead to Dabi in the first place and the cycle is just repeating itself, right?

[gonnagobankai]

The reason why I can’t deal with either bnha or atla discourse is because I’m of the apparently controversial opinion that it doesn’t matter if it’s a result of child abuse, if your sibling is causing you great harm or trying to kill you (or helpless civilians and children) then you are fully within your right to cut them out or not take their feelings into account

Zuko doesn’t owe azula anything and the todoroki kids would not be selfish or inconsiderate for being angry at touya

[ocdhuacheng]

endeavor you piece of shit cocksucker im gonna rip you to shreds

[todorokistheories]

Do we think Natsuo would push wheelchair Endeavor down stairs?

just like, a little extra push when they go over a curb.

[cat-eyeball-nul]

Not me crying sad-upset-angry tears whenever i see an endeavor apologist, or him interacting with any of the kids in a positive light, i HATE that fictional man, he does not deserve their love or respect or forgiveness

[st3ddie-starchas3r]

My favorite Todoroki.

JUST LOOK AT THIS CUTE LIL BEAN.

[leagueofprotagonists]

Natsuo Todoroki

Role:

In this AU, Natsuo is a spy for the League, he uses various tricks to get them information on Endeavor and UA. He’s still going to be with his girlfriend, the girl with a mouse quirk, but she will not be involved in any way. We’ll call her Naomi Date (this is an actual Japanese Surname I looked up, meaning intelligent). Natsuo is willingly giving the information, he’s not being forced, tricked, or manipulated into doing this. For the majority of the story he doesn’t know that Dabi is Touya. His motivation is not solely revenge but to destroy the system that created and enabled Endeavor

Characterization:

Natsuo is bitter and resentful of not just Endeavor but hero society in general.

Natsuo uses the visits Fuyumi ‘coerces’ him into to sneak information from Endeavor’s office and computer

His opinion of Shoto isn’t good, he sees how Shoto found the most superficial element of Endeavor to blame (fire quirk) and ended up mimicking his actual issues

Natsuo is actually quite fond of fire, associating it with Touya, and the small ways he would use it around him, and how happy it made his older brother. He often likes to keep a candle around as the result

Has mixed feelings about his sister and mother, seeing them primarily as victims, but also how they end up playing into the system

Natsuo does hide his thoughts about Shoto and his choices in friends, largely so he can gather information and plant bugs in the later arcs

He’s somewhat more spiteful in this, but in a more righteous way, he’s not betraying society for revenge, but so something better can take its place.

Goals:

Personal:

He wants Endeavor to go down

For Hero Society to be destroyed, so it can be rebuilt better

To keep Naomi out of his potential mess

For the AU:

A huge part of this is to point out how superficial MHA is

He’s a very overlooked character in both Canon and the Fandom, including how he was close to Touya

To call out to how the main cast props up abusers because well they’re in power and cool

(Indirect) show the complexities of abuse, mainly neglect, this will mainly be Rei being a bad parent, largely due to Endeavor’s abuse, being groomed to either marry her cousin or be sold off, lack of support, etc, but that she is a bad parent as the result. As well of the cycle of abuse, both on the side of abusers, and abusies

Personal Timeline:

In early childhood he ended up being primarily raised by his older siblings, this shifting more over to Touya over time, both because they connected, and Rei starting to teach Fuyumi how to be a good wife and mother for the future

As things continued to decline in the house, Natsuo ended up being the only person Touya felt he could talk to about anything, but due to the amount of issues both in general and with Touya, and Natsuo being a child, he was unable to maintain his support

After Touya died Natsuo was largely left alone, except when asked to help with chores such as cooking, this did allow him to connect a little with Fuyumi but largely made him feel isolated and unwanted. During this time he started becoming more and more critical of Hero Society as a whole

The straw that broke the camel’s back: when Natsuo was 13 he saw Endeavor’s official account congratulate Intern Burnin for turning 18 on January 18, Touya’s birthday, with of course no acknowledgement anywhere of his lost older brother (both online and in the household). Resentment boiled over as he then snuck (badly but no one was paying attention to him) into Endeavor’s office, stole his schedule, and sold it to the first person he could get to take it (Giran)

After the schedule proved accurate Giran sought him out, and they made an arrangement, with it slowly advancing over the years, mainly getting the rest of the agency’s schedules. This had a limited effect, mainly in Giran’s clients being able to avoid Endeavor and his sidekicks for the most part. During this period his opinion of Shoto starts to sour through their limited interactions and Shoto’s behaviour

When Shoto first enters UA, Giran is interested in getting information on UA, but Natsuo is reluctant, he’s entering college, and accessing information for a school his brother goes to, and he is not at all close to, doesn’t seem worth the effort. He also worries about putting the other students in danger

This reluctance was destroyed during the school’s work studies, while he had conflicted feelings of Shoto using his fire in the Sports Festival, visiting their mom, and seemingly starts to get better, the work studies destroyed that. 

First it was that Shoto the student with the most work-study offers, who’s made his entire identity spiting Endeavor, chose Endeavor, to learn how to control his fire (a very common ‘heroic’ quirk). 

But the real kicker was in the hospital, he was doing volunteer work when he heard that some UA students including Endeavor’s son were in the hospital. Going to the room he overhears Tsuragamae the Chief of Police talking to Shoto, Midoriya, and Iida, and how Shoto without hesitation calls him a mutt. This breaks any hope he has for Shoto and his classmates, who were just okay with this.

When he looks further into the incident, figures out that Iida was the one who went after Stain, and how Stain picked his targets, the more he finds himself reassured in his decision

Natsuo officially allies himself with the League, mostly connecting through Giran and Spinner, and starts with mostly critical thoughts of Shigaraki (these get better over time) but believes this is the best chance of any difference being made. For the summer camp, he offers Shoto some help packing during a brief visit, sneaking a small tracker into his bag, just in case

During the dinner in the Endeavor’s agency arc, Natsuo finds himself disgusted by both Bakugo and Midoriya, Bakugo acts even more like Endeavor’s worst qualities than Shoto, yet Shoto has decided that he’s friends with him, and Midoriya is enabling away.

He is attacked by Ending while leaving, Endeavor still freezes, but Shoto, Midoriya and Bakugo fail. Instead, Dabi is the one to save him, taking Ending by surprise (Note: Ending doesn't die right away but in the hospital), and announcing that Endeavor’s whole family is his and he’s not the type to share, before disappearing. Endeavor still spews that he was trying to respect Natsuo’s feelings by not saving him while hugging him against his wishes. But all he can think is ‘does Dabi know I’m the League’s spy?’ and more importantly ‘I know that blue[Dabi aka Touya’s eyes]’.

Natsuo goes to the League and confronts Dabi about his identity, with Dabi responding with “You always were the smart one, little brother,”

[gloridoesntexist]

CHAPTER 3 IS UP!!! PLEASE GO CHECK IT OUT<33333

[gloridoesntexist]

in my mind those 2 arent any better like-

Natsuo and his mouse gf r cute shit and Bakugo, well-

we call him an angry pomeranian for a reason

miruyumi and hotwings is good bc it’s just miruko and hawks showing off to their gf/bf and fuyumi and dabi being flustered by them and natsuo n shouto in the background like “smh fucking furries -_-”

[gece-misin-nesin]

A comment on reddit:

I think this is the main thing with MHA - the villains are just bad people, and the audience can tell. All of the villains have at least one unshakeable anti-social impulse that they absolutely cannot get over. They can explain how deeply hurt they feel by not being able to act on that impulse, but ultimately they just want to hurt other people in one way or another. They are childish, whiny, and entitled, and none of them has the slightest desire to participate in society whatsoever, no matter the infinite well of understanding and patience the heroes draw from*. So Endeavor, who is not a villain but rather just a douchebag, is able to atone and begin repairing the damage he did. But Dabi, who is a villain, can't do that. It's fundamentally beyond him - he has a selfish, childish mindset forever. Douchebags change, but villains are forever. As readers, we find this frustrating. After everything the todorokis go through, nothing really changes within Dabi's mind or heart. The siblings can beat themselves up about it and feel guilty, which is realistic - if only we had enough love and patience, we could have saved him! But as readers, it feels like bullshit. We know what the villains are like, and we know that they were all hopeless from the start. Not a one of them ever had a shot at being happy or associating with others in a healthy way, because there's a fundamental distinction between the basic, in-born personality of heroes vs villains that is just as immutable as the gap between the empowered and the quirkless. So when it comes to still feeling guilty over little Toya, it's like...I don't know, get over it? He was cooked from the start. You should have recognized he was born a villain.

I think I need to take a chill pill oh my fucking god. How can you read this manga and come to the conclusion that *checks notes* the villains were always destined to be evil, fundamentally different from the 'normal and basic', and 'born a villain'???

Even the manga itself, with its shitty epilogue and shitty messaging, acknowledges that the villains COULD have led normal lives if things had been different.

Like this is such an insane conclusion to come to?? I have no fucking idea how you can read bnha and write THIS shit???

This is EXACTLY why people say that media literacy is dead 😭