#nate + shiv

[pynkhues]

Important succession question: was Nate dating Shiv first and then became friends with Kendall or was Nate friends with Kendall and then started dating Shiv? I cannot express how much both options fascinate me

Anon, this is a question that lives rent free in my head! One of the things I find especially interesting is that Tom actually knows him as a friend of Kendall's before he knows he's anything to Shiv at all. Like this:

Happens before this:

Which kind of does make it seem like maybe Kendall's talked about Nate in more contexts than Shiv has, which is particularly interesting given Kendall seemingly didn't mention that he dated his sister, haha.

But yes! As to who met who first, I think there are two questions that really impact how you can speculate that: first, what you think the age gap between Shiv and Kendall is (I'm a golden-trio-are-close-in-age truther, so I tend to put it as four years max), and when you think Kendall was in Shanghai.

The latter question is one I've seen contested a lot - I know a few people who think it was probably after rehab as a sort of exile like Roman being sent to LA was / an extension of 'you send the weak one away', but I actually think the show kind of gave us the answer for that when Logan was seriously looking to bring Shiv into the company.

I strongly suspect that he's basing that loosely off what he took Kendall through, minus a few things (like we know that Kendall got his MBA at Harvard and that he interned at Logan's papers, because he mentions it in Dundee, etc.) and likely with a condensed timeline just because of Kendall and Logan's respective ages at the time Kendall was going through it.

In my master timeline that I'll one day actually post, haha, I tend to put Kendall as having been born in 1979/1980 (s1 of the show is specifically set in 2018, and Kendall turns 40 in s3 which I think is meant to be roughly a year later). If that's the case, I think an estimate of Kendall's professional history would be:

at Harvard 1997-2002

Starting at Waystar and learning from Gerri/Baird/Frank/Karl for probably a few years, not one, lets say three or four, so that takes us through to about 2006. Kendall marries Rava in about 2004 too, so that fits neatly into this period as well.

Shanghai maybe 2007-2008

UK for a while, let's say through 2010.

Back for six months of management training

In roughly 2011 he's shadowing his father

2015 we know was rehab, which was a spanner in the works.

Then 2016-2018 was him back to shadowing his father with the view to take over.

That would put Kendall at about 28 while they were in Shanghai, and then poses the new question of how you think Kendall met Nate if not through Shiv.

I don't think Nate ever worked at Waystar, because I think it would've come up, so that's off the table. If you go with my rough estimate of Shiv being about 24 then, she would've graduated college herself and maybe met Nate interning then connected him and Ken when Ken was alone in Shanghai, but that doesn't really seem like something Shiv would do. Nate could've gone to college with either one of them too, but then that doesn't seem to really fit with the way he's talked about either.

I tend to lean towards Kendall knowing Nate first, and I tend to think they probably actually met in Shanghai? Given Nate's career path, I think you could make the argument that he was working somewhere like the US Embassy & Consulate in Shanghai which would make sense as to why Gil hired him and also put him pretty neatly in Kendall's orbit both professionally and personally.

After that, I kind of think it would be a pretty clear path as to Shiv meeting him, especially because Kendall's the only one who really seems to bring outsiders-in in that way like he's done with Stewy, Jess and Naomi.

But of course, that's a lot of speculation, haha. It's a really fun one to think about though - the show does such an awesome job of just dropping in these details that hint at so much storyworld.

What do you think though?

[kuzuyamii]

nate and stewy are so pathetic when it comes to the roy sibs and then you have gerri

[shivvroys]

saw someone on twitter say shiv looked happier when she was with nate. NO!! the only time shiv has ever looked happy was that split second where tom suggested she fuck a woman

[limitedseries]

4.05 / 4.06 / 4.07

[djkerr]

Succession behind the scenes captured by Christopher Norr.

📷 cred @christophernorr2001 via IG

[garlandslesbian]

nate was so real for this idc

[imchoccy]

[attentionhoard]

shiv roy + text posts v2

(shiv v1 / shiv v3 / shiv v4 / more succ text posts)

[brotherconstant]

Well, I'd follow you anywhere for love, Tom Wambsgans.

[comfycel]

shiv's pathetic boy harem continues

[waystarresourceco]

Ashley Zuckerman on Ken and Nate's backstory together in Shanghai. (x)

Also, if anyone has wants a drop more of Ken and Nate interacting, additional dialogue below from "The Disruptor" demonstrating that Ken and Nate were probably the most annoying people at every bar or party in Shanghai (with bonus Ken and Shiv needling each other).

The below is the deleted dialogue from a slightly extended version of the scene that already appears in "The Disruptor" but including it for the 5 people looking for Kennate crumbs.

[karolinasnovotney]

SUCCESSION "Pre-Nuptial" (1x09)

[ferrisbuellers]

SUCCESSION (2018—2023) 1x10: Nobody Is Ever Missing

[fionapplespiano]

I’m allowed to HC a character whose had many het relationships as gay if I don’t like any of their het relationships.

[cesaray]

[bladesrunner]

Well, I guess, essentially I'm a self-made guy who came up with a really cool product that people love.

SUCCESSION (2018–2023) S04E07: Tailgate Party