#music based subcultures

[plague-vulture]

i've once again hit the "saying music is important in music based subcultures is gatekeeping >:(((" brainrot part of tumblr wtff

[valtsv]

silt verses theological arts and crafts corner

[detectivehole]

i've never been able to convince myself people into music-based subcultures exclusively for the fashion are entirely posers. these are music based scenes so yes it's a little odd, and sure they're more likely to fall into consumerist habits- but you (generally) have to pay for music or access to clubs and venues so it's not like the rest of us are immune (and none of us have to fall into consumerists habits anyway). if fashion is a type of communication and self expression through art, and is so deeply associated with most subcultures as to be almost a dress code, then i see no reason why it's significantly less valid a mode of participation than a shared and publicly displayed love of music- another form of communication and self expression through art. if you can be goth but not dress the part i feel like you could make a good argument that you can be goth and not listen the part. i understand defending the origin of a subculture you care about but it's not 1979 anymore things have changed. definitions are always reshaping themselves around time. sometimes it feels like it's just a rejection of fashion as a legitimate art form more than anything, which is absurd because it's one of the loudest and most immediate forms of cultural connection, communication and self expression we have as a species. i don't think it's what anyone means, but i always wonder

[rivetgoth]

The r/goth subreddit kinda swinging to the opposite side of the Goth Gatekeeping Discourse pendulum and like getting into incredibly nitpicky detached arguments that don’t really mean anything within the context of like. Going outside and actually engaging with the irl scene about, like, whether Disintegration by The Cure is “actually goth” or not will never not be funny. Someone asked recently if The Birthday Massacre is goth and some guy replied super condescendingly with a comment like “I’ve never heard of them before but listening to them now, they have to be the least goth band I’ve LITERALLY ever heard.” Like…. Come on now. 😭

[sendmyresignation]

every time someone mentions the way music-related algorithms work in the best interests of major labels pushing their artists for their own gain and therefore are often embedded with bias and cut off new avenues of discovery everyone comes out of the woodwork to mention "well, anecdotally to my specific circumstance, I've discovered (5) new artists with sub-one thousand regular listeners completely detached from any information or scene or cohesive idea of taste on my weekly currated playlists so therefore algorithms actually work amazing" like what are you talking about. can we be serious please.

[lexiconne]

What do you call it if you identify heavily with punk culture & values & try to DIY your own cool clothes and are generally anti-establishment and super GNC but you just. like. don't listen to music. Full stop music just isn't for you. What then

[tragantia]

I hate the modern world honestly you can't search for cool goth pics anymore without being bombarded with naked normies with tats and the stupid big tiddy goth gf tag like fuck offfffffff

[i-upset-to-dead-65]

Me to random people who don't know anything about alternative subcultures: yeah lol I'm goth or whatever

Me to actual goths: no I just dress alternativly and while I appreciate goth music it's not really my vibe so i dont identify as goth really I just identify as generally alternative because I used to be an emo purist but I'm lazy nowadays and what I wear is what I like and what makes me feel good and also I don't wear color

[totalswagisland]

thinking about the pjo au and designs for it are so funny to me because poor duncan and gwen are gonna have to wear those bright ass orange camp shirts it's gonna fuck up their aesthetic...

[smellslikewetdog]

I find it so funny that half the people who gatekeep goth culture on twitter arent even goth half the time like last time i saw someone say "u need to research the culture and listen to more goth bands than just deftones" and i thought "more goth bands than just WHO??"

[horrorknife]

people who somehow think leigh whannell (cishet man) is the peak of queer men grew up knowing exactly 0 horror fan metalheads in their life. all of my moms friends were just leigh whannell in different shapes and sizes

[girlson-film]

that ig note is INSANE you should not be saying that as a goth 😭

[femmemortes]

If I see another porn bot post in the goth tab I’m going to go insane. I want to like posts about the silly little bands I like, fashion and subculture. Not shit that equates goth to being about what you wear/an aesthetic, still getting the typical fashion wrong anyway and just feeding into the “big titty goth girlfriend” brainrot.

[maidofmetal]

if you guys don’t like punk music so much why do you care about calling urself punk ?!!??!??

[mockiatoh]

I’m sorry but it’s painfully corny when people are like “it’s not punk if it’s not nice to strangers and (completely socially perfect)” you’re annoying and have never been in a punk scene irl. Also your clothes are boring and your use of safety pins is uninspired.