#mom lalonde arc

[badlydrawnrose]

TG: rosie

TG: remembr when u liked ballet as a kiddo

TT: Mother, I really did not. It was rather boring for me.

TG: shit

TG: rosie I fuckd up

TT: What do you mean?

TG: I made a mistaek nd signedd u up 4 ballet :(

TT: Are you serious?

TG: I cn cancl the class. tbh its my fault.

TG: th therapist said talk 2 u more abt what u want nd all i did was fine an old phtoto of u in a tutu

TG: u lookd leik a littl jelly fishy

TT: ...

TT: I'll go

TG: rosie u don't hav 2. it was my mistake

TT: No, I'd like to try it.

TG: ...

TG: Eee!

*a hug has ensued.*

TT: Oof...Mom....

TG: u r so cute and sweet Rosie omg

TG: I gotta get Davey too! Or bird Davey!

TT: Mother, I can assure you that both Daves would not be interested in ballet.

TT: I believe Roxy would be a likelier candidate to try to involve, if another of us is to join.

[bottlehawk]

i talk a lot about how dave's relationship with his bro probably fucked him up in a lot of ways and rose probably did with dave too. but also what about the reversal afterwards when dave with his newly found awareness of Bad Parent Relationship Things points out weird ideas rose has developed because of her relationship with her mom that she doesn't realize are weird.

dave: so you dont have any issues with your mom? she was just a completely chill parent?

rose: No. I've come to grow and realize that she truly did care for me and was trying to reach out to me, instead of passive-aggressively taunting and belittling me as I had previously thought in my childhood. It was my fault for not seeing the truth, yes, but now that I know better, I-

dave: oh uh i wasnt really talking about that. whatever thats about. i was talking about the fact that she was like. drunk all the time

rose: Yes, but you do understand she had a lot on her mind back then? As time has passed, I myself am able to just start comprehending the scope of what we are dealing with. Sburb-

dave: yyyyyyyeahh okay but like she was your mom and you were a kid.

rose: Yes, but I've learned to be mature and see things from her perspective. Every adult has their weaknesses. It'd be childish of me to not accept hers, like she was perfect. And besides, it's not like she didn't care. She was constantly offering me things related to my interests, yet I chose to shun-

dave: yeah but for example like you were thirteen and she offered you a vodka martini while completely inebriated and you were thirteen

rose: She also gave me a pony.

dave: how does that not prove my point

rose: No offense, but I think I am quite well-equipped to be aware of if I have any underlying "issues" left over from how my mother raised me in my childhood.

dave: no offense but youre still a child and also i am literally like 23 hours and 547.56̅ milliseconds older than you what makes you think you were more well equipped than i was

rose: I'm sorry, did you read the entire Wikipedia page for Diana Baumrind at ten?

dave: ...

rose: ...

dave: ...

rose: ... Didn't thin-

dave: just so we're clear rose that long pause i took just now was not me getting "got" it was me being wowed by everything you just revealed to me with that statement.

[thewertsearch]

I guess everyone is reacting to their parents' deaths in this arc. Dave's relationship with Bro has always been a little... complicated, so this should be a very interesting conversation.

TG: oh my fucking god […] TG: we just got done talking and agreed it would be awesome if you didnt bother me for a while […] GC: OH GC: TH4TS R1GHT GC: 1 FORGOT! TG: it was five seconds ago

Girl, get your damn timelines in order!

GC: D1D YOU LOV3 H1M D4V3? TG: no

I believe you.

There's something about the Strider brothers which I noticed a while ago, but haven't had the opportunity to talk about. This is the perfect moment to discuss it, though, because it explains a lot about why Dave is the way he is.

So - let's talk about the Strife fights.

When John first attacked his father with a hammer, I decided to roll with the assumption that this fight was symbolic, rather than literal. John loves his dad, and it can be safely assumed that he doesn't want to kill the guy.

Instead, this scene serves as a stand in for the familial strife between father and son. John finds his father's parenting style to be mildly frustrating, and their interactions sometimes feel like a fight to him.

Likewise, Rose (probably) isn’t actually going for Mom with those needles. Instead, their fight represents Mom’s 'ironic' negligence, and the gifts that Rose refuses to believe are from the heart. The Lalonde relationship is clearly more fraught than the Egbert one, but I don't think Rose actually wants to skewer Ms Lalonde.

Jade doesn't really fight her Grandpa, but their Strife clearly demonstrated how deeply in-denial she is - not about his death, but about the fact that her life isn't normal. She's desperately trying to have the same childhood that John and Rose are describing, but she can't, because she doesn't have a parent to bicker with.

Now, I'm sure you've guessed where I'm going with this. What, exactly, did Dave's Strife scenes represent?

Well...

...first of all, it's worth noting that Dave is the only Player to explicitly describe the events of his Strife to a third party. We've never heard John reminiscing about bludgeoning Dad, but Dave's constantly complaining about getting beaten up by puppets.

And - rather more worryingly - Dave is the only Player to retain his Strife injuries, even after this ostensibly 'metaphorical' fight is over.

In fact, one of those Strife injuries still marks him to this day.

The point I am obviously dancing around is that I don't think Dave's Strife was a metaphor at all. Unlike his friends, there's no pretense to these fights. They're literal. Dave's brother routinely attacked him.

Odds are, this was Bro's way of 'preparing' Dave for the game he surely knew was coming - but you don't need me to tell you that he took it way too far. The guy might have been Dave's assigned Guardian, but he really shouldn't have been raising anyone.

[conceptofjoy]

I WOULD SPECIFICALLY LIKE TO ADD to a previous ask i sent mentioning davepeta being sort of a dave lalonde, that isnt like, discounting that davepeta also gets the benefits of sorta skipping doing a character arc (in a way that i think works well but thats not the topic rn) so it isnt like. im not saying dave raised by roxy would be all smiles great childhood happy kid . if we DO think more about that i think dave lalonde would have some real "i need to Be Better so mommy doesnt feel like she has to drink so much" type issues . also hed feel like shit about it but hed be practiced in sssorta "emotionally manipulating" her to get shit that he wants (puts sorta the wrong connotations on it but i guess thats how hed feel about it). hed be a fucked up kid still but he wouldnt be like, fucked in the ways dave strider is fucked or exactly the same ways rose lalonde is fucked. he would have unique dave lalonde problems

ohh ok. yeah i like the idea of her being bubbly but it being a front for a more self centered persona. cool kid -> mommy's perfect girl. mom lalonde probably has a ton memories of dave "acting out" growing up but becoming way milder as the years progresses but thats only bc she hides it.

dave in the comic goes out of his way to make the people he cares comfortable, but if something like that gets taken advantage of too many times, a person'll def get colder. i dont think her selflessness would go away completely, it's still there but she'd be way more reluctant/less trusting to actually bring it out.

she'd probably be in online (ton of blogs) a lotttt to make up for her loneliness and has a ton of "friends" she keeps at arm's length, rose teases her asking if they know if she's a total bitch and they go back and forth.

[rockkal]

HOMESTUCK BEYOND CANON NEXT UPD8(s) PREDICTIONS (I'm delusional, btw) /SHITPOST

We get to see Jack Noir be a pathetic little meow meow and has depression because he's too busy working at the mine coal to see his wife

The Felt come into the screen, also somehow snowman, and they all say "We voted for Obama" (this is very important homestuck lore, btw)

Brand new character called HEROIN ADDICT is introduced. Son of Karkat and Dave. Has a brother named John Egbert Strider Vantas

Clover flirts with Jane and gets sent to the weed dungeon. And not like the good weed. I mean like the weed that really feels like shit

Jake becomes new leader of the Felt and Crowbar becomes his dad (Crowbar dad AU, write that down, it'll be on the test)

We get to see Death, the character, talk with ULT Dirk and he brang along the Midnight Crew, Mom Lalonde B1 and Dad egbert because he thinks they're cool (also, Mom Lalonde and Dad Egbert kiss a lot in death's office and have tea and buscuits with the Midnight Crew)

CALIBORN COMES FOR A SINGLE PANEL AND MAKES JUNE OFFICIALLY TRANS! BECAUSE HE HATES JUNE AND HE HATES WOMEN SO HE COMBINES THE TWO THINGS HE HATES INTO ONE (this is a joke, btw. I honestly want June's transitioning to be more in character then just the gremlin guy I like does it for me)

Ms Paint. becomes narrator of both Candy and Meat and it's just a podcast about different types of paint

Something related to The Midnight Crew's creator, Professor Mayasaka or however the fuck ya spell it, something translated into midnight. Whatever. I just wanna see the professor man come in and do something

JANE REVIVES AIMLESS RENEGADE SOMEHOW AND HE GOES GOD TIER! (His Classpect is Mage of Blood because I say so)

Sollux and Eridan kissing

B

Roxy breaks the fourth wall and says "it's Roxy Lalonding time" and Roxy Lalondes all over the place

A bucket appears and yeah

We see Andrew Hussie in a bath robe

Terezi manages to give back the legal rights to Beyond Canon back to their creators (sorry, I forgot your name, mister cool homestuck guy. I forget easily :'(]

Vriska dies. (I hate Vriska! (In a Kismesis way))

Equius comes back to say "I require horse" and then he gets prototyped with the universe frog

Matchsticks gets a personality and we learn he wants to become an actual fire fighter and save people since he was a kid

Stitch becomes hella cool by partnering with Kanaya to beat the shit out of Dirk

Rose just stays Rose because I forgot she existed

21 again but with Dave

June Egbert gets two new dads and they're Eggs and Biscuits from The Felt because it reminds her of her dead dad's cakes

Diamonds Droogs/Draconian Dignitary x Dad Crocker 20 hour oiled up make out session flash animation

Calliope has a child with Roxy. (comment what ya think they would be called)

Dirk eats a baby (it's John Egbert Strider Vantas)

AR gets to have a robo body and becomes friends with AR and Aradia and also Aranea is there to keep them in check and they call eachother the "AR squad", but Aranea is the out cast because she is blue

Eden Gardner (homestuck OC of @springselkie) gets a mention.

Monkeys become relevant to the plot

Jack Noir gets to show us his stabs

Bold Eagles are Aimless Renegade's second power, because he's the only AMERUCAN character in homestuck

Jake gets a beard and celebrates by showing us his level 100 GYAT

What Pumpkin office remains is an important location in the story

Mommy Condie comes back and marries Earth C's version of Colonel sassacres

Freddy Fazber, new character, literally the best. Hor hor hor hor.

Something related to drugs, I guess (I'm running out of ideas)

Fortnite becomes canon and everyone loves it

Deltarune reference

Jack Noir eats money and becomes lamborghini

Jack Noir villain arc where he and June kiss (their kismesis, it's ok. They want to kill eachother)

Rose's wifi is STILL shitty! COME ON, IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS, FIX YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION, GURL!

Kanaya gets to make something Lord English related

We see Doc Scratch because he's awesome

Wayward Vagabond comes back from the grave and does ANOTHER revolution against monerchy. He is truly the best diplomat.

MLP gets mentioned

Problem Sleuth shows up for 5 panels and then dies

Nepeta gets to kill Pickle Inspector

Eridan smokes weed

[S] Terezi: Do the mackarena

Weed chapter

Karkat gets a period cramp

Something something Lord English in black void, becomes normal Caliborn, being room mates with Equius, Gamzee and AR (auto-responder)

Free Bird fight sequence

Joe Biden gets a mention because he was probably in office before the clown fuckers took over D.C. Washington

Cockaine chapter

MSPA reader gets hella blazed and yeah

Caliborn kisses a rule 63 version of a Miku body pillow

Pic Yaoi sequence or smth

Sawbuck stays a fat fuck and eats the earth at the end

Itchy dies from tripping on a rock

Doze unslows himself and does a break dance

Trace and Fin make out session

Quarters gets to shoot ULT Dirk and is declared a war veteran

Bog from RHG shows up to eat a chocolate bar

I'm high

Ok, that was the end of this dumb shitpost. Hope ya got a kick out of it. Or not.

Wait

Shit

I should probably add an image so that I could look cool

Give me a sec

Yes, God of Yaoi.

Perfect for this.

See ya

[morally-grey-girlbosses]

The top two characters will be eligible for entry into the bracket!

Propaganda under the cut.

Vriska Serket:

People love her! People hate her! People want to fuck her! People want her dead! It’s Vriska fucking Serket bby! No introduction needed.

she did nothing wrong but i guess you could bring up that time she mind controlled one of her friends to jump off a cliff permanently paralysing him and then later stabbed him through the chest with his own lance or that time she killed one of her other friends by mind controlling one of her friends or that time she blinded her best friend because said best friend blew up her magic artifact causing her to lose an arm and an eye. said best friend would later kill her and then thousands of pages later rework the timeline to not kill her. and then they kissed. shes also a mentally ill neurodivergent gay teenager living on murder death planet who was forced to murder lest her spider mom eat her for breakfast, basing her entire personality off her singular role model who was a fucked up pirate who lived a longass time ago. she has a redemption arc after dying and genuinely begins to heal from her traumas and work towards being a healthier and better person and then an alternate version of her gets created by aforementioned timeline reworking and shouts at her and steals her girlfriend. she did nothing wrong. she created so much discourse. i love her immensely. shes even vriska (vriska)

It's vriska. Need i say more?

It’s Vriska.

She had her own discourse tag (Vriscourse) due to all the crimes she did. These include murder (of enemies, friends, and strangers), a revenge sprial that led to her paralyzing one friend and blinding another, and literal mind control. She was one of the protagonists. Also one of the biggest problems that needed solving. A deeply hurt and desperate teenager, she tricked a lot of her team and a lot of the fanbase into thinking she was a shallow violent "spider8itch." She earned every last bit of vitriol she got. She was a scared lonely teenage girl. Her best friend (the one she blinded) murdered her. It was declared both a just and heroic death. It had to be undone with time travel because it was impossible to suceed without her. She had so much love to give. She delivered needless pain instead. She was a result of her society and unbringing. Her friends were not nearly as brutal as her. She's like if Azula ATLA had a sense of humor and was allowed to say fuck.

vriska serket ... she is still so controversial - hence the moral ambiguity yes she does do terrible things but consider: she has an evil spidermom that needs to be fed children and she lives on the imperialist militaristic kill planet ... is it any wonder she is so morally dubious ?

homestuck.com

Damara Megido:

Damara lives in a caste based society where blood colour is tied to lifespan. She is of the lowest colour and thus she’s already on the bottom of society. She speaks a language not widely understood by her acquaintances, except for her eventual boyfriend, Rufioh. Her boyfriend cheated on her, so she paralyzed him and he was turned into a head on a robot horse body by Horuss, the guy he was cheating on Damara with. He then feels awkward around Horuss. She was also bullied relentlessly throughout her youth by literal royalty. She killed her tormenting bully, Meenah, the lowest caste kills the highest caste. She becomes so estranged from her “friends” that it’s suggested she has entered into the service of the literal destroyer of the universe. At the same time, when interacting with “friends” she portrays herself in a very sexual, horny otaku fashion, and pretends not to understand people when they talk to her. Tragic girlboss to herself.

Rose Lalonde:

this is my... twelth or thirteenth submission? i think. and not going to lie its all blurring together for me but rose is my ultimate blorbo of all time. shes a lesbian nerd with a degree in wikipedia psychoanalysis she uses to call her friends gay. she ends up involved in the end of the world and makes a plan to destroy the main villain which involves her own death. she consorts with eldritch beings and succumbs to their grimdark influence. she is shtity to her friends and is very self important. she cares deeply for them. she is a flighty broad and she has a lot of snarky horseshit. said grimdark episode is after her mom dies. she gets stuck on a meteor for three years and ends up becoming a teenage alcoholic. she goes on her first date unsure its a date and totally wasted. she flies around blowing up the structures of innocent turtles and consorting with dark cosmic entities. she gets stabbed through the chest. she dies three times over the course of the comic. she even gets gay married. shes such a girlboss and look its homestuck of course shes problematic. ultimate blorbo ever. vote rose

Terezi Pyrope was submitted without propaganda, but I am familiar enough with Homestuck to attempt to write some myself. Here we go:

She dreams of becoming her alien society's equivalent to a prosecutor, whose job is basically just to murder criminals with little to no evidence. She gets involved in a huge revenge spiral between all her friends. She fucks over one of the main human characters and ends up creating one of the worst timelines because of it. Despite all that, she ends up working for good in the end, and helps that same main human character rewrite the entire history of three universes to create a more favorable result.

[homestuck-fanauthor-coalition]

Pesterquest Rewritten [Fan Game]

by @classpectpokerap and with contributions from several of our coalition members (including Luke aka terminalLoquacity and @horsesbones ], this visual novel explores a unique journey for the MSPA Reader. M^3 has only played the first few chapters, but is absolutely entranced by this story. If you can't play it yourself, Tetra also provides a walkthrough without commentary. we really encourage you to check this out!!!

also, it's on AO3!

Pesterquest Rewritten (92051 words) by EtchJetty, terminalLoquacity Chapters: 12/? Fandom: Homestuck, Hiveswap, Problem Sleuth (Webcomic) Rating: Mature Warnings: Major Character Death Relationships: The Handmaid & MS Paint Adventures Reader, Doc Scratch & MS Paint Adventures Reader, John Egbert & Rose Lalonde, Rose Lalonde & Rose's Mom | Beta Roxy Lalonde, Rose Lalonde & Vodka Mutini, Mallek Adalov & MS Paint Adventures Reader, Damara Megido & MS Paint Adventures Reader, Polypa Goezee/MS Paint Adventures Reader, John Egbert & Dave Strider, Rose Lalonde & Dave Strider, John Egbert & Jade Harley & Rose Lalonde & Dave Strider, Jade Harley & Peregrine Mendicant, Jake English & Jade Harley, Becquerel & Jade Harley, John Egbert & Jade Harley, Aradia Megido & MS Paint Adventures Reader, Mallek Adalov/MS Paint Adventures Reader, MS Paint Adventures Reader & MS Paint Adventures Reader, Sollux Captor & Kanaya Maryam, Sollux Captor & Karkat Vantas Characters: MS Paint Adventures Reader, Spades Slick, The Handmaid (Homestuck), Damara Megido, Polypa Goezee, Mallek Adalov, John Egbert, Aradia Megido, Rose Lalonde, Rose's Mom | Beta Roxy Lalonde, Vodka Mutini, Dave Strider, Doomed Timeline Dave Strider(s), Doc Scratch (Homestuck), Jade Harley, Becquerel (Homestuck), Peregrine Mendicant, Jake English, Chixie Roixmr, Stelsa Sezyat, Tyzias Entykk, Marvus Xoloto, Galekh Xigisi, Chahut Maenad, Joey Claire, Xefros Tritoh, Dammek (Hiveswap), Karkat Vantas, The Trolls (Homestuck), Beta Trolls (Homestuck), Beta Kids (Homestuck), Homestuck Ensemble, Problem Sleuth, Sollux Captor, Kanaya Maryam, Aradiabot (Homestuck) Additional Tags: Transcribed, Alternate Universe - No Sburb Session, Pesterquest (Homestuck), Hiveswap: Friendsim, Hiveswap: Act 2 Spoilers, Multiplicity/Plurality, Minor Character Death, Temporary Character Death Series: Part 1 of Pesterquest Rewritten Summary: Transcripts of the fangame Pesterquest Rewritten. What if MSPAR remembered themself at the beginning of Pesterquest's prologue? If they didn't immediately leave Doc Scratch's mansion, but instead kept their character arc from Friendsim, and used their new knowledge of Homestuck to try and save someone? Contains full spoilers for the fangame Pesterquest Rewritten, and is best enjoyed with at least some knowledge of Friendsim and Pesterquest.

[theblueprincess590]

Its kinda interesting how a big part of Dave’s arcs post act 5 is recognizing that his Bro was a shitty abusive guardians where as a big part of Rose’s arc post act 5 was recognizing that her mother wasn’t this super passive aggressive woman constantly belittling her but was legit just trying to reach out to her daughter. Mom Lalonde isn’t perfect of course she was a drunk after all. I just think it’s interesting how Rose and Dave’s relationships with their guardians contrast each other over the course of the comic.

[thepageofhopes]

Does anyone still do these anymore? Either way I updated my fav character bingo since it's been a bit. Characters under the cut (numbers from left to right, top to bottom)

Ink!Sans, Underverse. Scene chosen here is because he looks cute, but the cut off speech bubble is him being nonchalant about betraying all of his friends

Sayaka Miki, Madoka Magica. It's hard to find a good happy picture of her so Magia Record gacha animation will have to do.

Utena Hiiragi/Magia Baiser, Gushing over Magical Girls. Can't go wrong with the phenomal 'are you sorry' scare face.

Mion Sonozaki, Higurashi. I love her especially in her goofier times.

Subaru Natsuki, Re:Zero. Scene chosen here is one of my favorite moments of him from Season 1, the moment where he chooses to throw away his chance at a peaceful life to save those literally trying to kill him.

Gamzee Makara, Homestuck. Scene chosen because it's what sold me on Homestuck and him in general.

Rui Kamishiro, Project Sekai. While I could use the upgraded pretty cards, the moment where he coldly defends his friends is my favorite moment of him in the entire game so far.

Bete Noire, Glitchtale. Not the scene that made me want to cosplay her, but still one of the scariest looks in the animation.

Suika Ibuki, Touhou. I sadly can't put a gif of her swaying back and forth due to being drunk af, but imagine it there.

Azula, ATLA. Gotta love the smirk as she's captured.

Kaiji Ito, Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor. Had to get a scene of him whith those nice scars, they really show his detrmination through everything.

Keiichi Maebara, Higurashi . While I haven't seen Gou, this is a great shot of him. I love his determination and trust in his friends even in the darkest moments.

Kallen Kouzuki, Code Geass. The scene here is her about to use the Guren on Orange-kun, which is one of her best moments season 1 and is just a great shot of her in general.

Rose Lalonde, Homestuck. I actually quite like her Pesterquest art, and it screenshots the best.

Junko Enoshima, Dangan Ronpa. Her reveal and arrogant form is my favorite of her sprites.

Helen Richardson, Magnus Archives. Great depiction by theoldkyokodied since there's no official image!

Undyne, Undertale. Her True Hero form is what sold me on the game, and was also my first true boss I faced since I did a genocide run first.

Katara, ATLA. Love this scene where she confront the one who killed her mom and shows just how powerful she is.

Kaguya Shinomiya, Love is War. Hard to choose a pic here since there's two sides to her personality and I love them both, but I really love the fireworks episode and her escape is great.

Tahani Al-Jamil, The Good Place. She's so pretty but also her arc and personal troubles really resonate with me.

Kabru, Dungeon Meshi. Great colors and expression from the anime here, really showcasing his manipulative edge.

Tsukasa Tenma, Project Sekai. Very Subaru like character, I love how much he grows through the game and the moment where they get the entire park together to put on the huge event is probably my favorite sekai moment.

Lord Dominator, Wander over Yonder. I do love me a villainess who loves being evil, and the scene here of her manipulating hater is great.

Lelouch Vi Britannia, Code Geass. While the scene here is of his more evil/manipulative side, I actually really love him because of his humanizing moments.

[badlydrawnrose]

TG: Ok listen up

TG: Everyone, and I mean every1, is invited 2 this party

TG: It's gonna be the best ever

TG: No booze obvsly

TG: But there's gonna be all the Hannukah and Christmas food and the best decorations and presents 4 every1

TT: Mother, the stove.

TG: o shit

[vriskaserketdaily]

i think the only way vriska could have "fixed" roses teen alchaholism is announcing to everyone (but rose ofc) shes going to start an intervention and then the rest of the meteor panicking cause they know shes going to fuck it up so bad so they collectively get their shit together to help rose before vriska can

cw for discussions of alcoholism

nah, i dont think she would forget a grand gesture like that. vriska, passing up a chance to 8e the hero and save somebody from themself? please.

(i also don't think the rest of the meteor crew would be in much of a position to stop her, but i digress)

on top of slapping the mug of wine out of rose's hands every chance she got, she would 100% have a "heart-to-heart" with rose

this utter disaster of a social interaction would betray not only vriska's lack of understanding of human social relationships ("You're sad that adult human squatter 'mom' of yours isn't around anymore when all she did was leech off you and play dum8 mind games????????") but also a cringe-inducing level of tone-deaf projection. ("8elieve me, Lalonde, I know ha8its are a tough thing to 8reak, 8ut your lazy 8itch of a human lusus dying was the 8est thing that could've ever happened to you. You're a free 8ird! No hungry mouths to feed and you don't have to deal with the CONSTANT N8GGING anymore. So stop 8oo-hooing and 8oozing yourself into an early grave! It's fucking path8ic.")

this would have a net-zero effect on rose's addiction/recovery trajectory---immediately after, sure, she might've had a binge motivated by self-loathing, but in the long run all that would happen is rose learning not to drink where vriska might see. there would be potential for ultimately sad and destructive "games" of hide-the-bottle, resulting in disastrous animosity between the two of them, but . . . rose can just alchemize more if vriska finds/destroys her stash lol.

vriska can't fix rose's alcoholism, or anyone's for that matter. you can't make people recover, not if they're not ready to, and any positive intervention on vriska's part would be nothing but a bandaid on something that is ultimately rose's journey and character arc. it literally is not about vriska.

on the other hand, vriska's aliveness and presence on the meteor absolutely would prevent terezi's faygo dependence and relationship with gamzee. (well, if not outright preventing the gamzee thing, her presence would at least mitigate the influence gamzee had over terezi's life pre-retcon). (IF, that is, you think fridging the clown is a lazy and unsustainable solution)

[meraki-sunset]

Okay, this two questions are conected so i’ll answer them together. I had multiple reasosns not to save dad crocker

1.       Acording to the postcredits, he never replaced dad egbert in john’s life (even tho they show us how they hug eachother in homestuck when they meet) and John eventually got (aparently) depressed about not having his dad around, but someone who looks like him 

2.       In the prologe, the epilogue and homestuck2 Jane reestablishes Crockercorp, the evil baking corporation, with the epilog and HS2 covering her coruption into the condesce’s true heiress even wearing full red, the empire’s signature color instead and the oposite of cyan, her true color (it might not be 100% canon but it’s canon enough for me) and like they said in the comic, csau Jane could end up the same if she has Dad Crocker as her guardian enableling her to become like hs2 Jane

3.       Also, i really think losing your guardian is a rite of passage in the game, and players are suposed to lose them in order to become true gods

4.       A reason i can’t just exclude is the fact neither one of the dad’s have a face and one of the ways i tell the story is through facial exprecions. I tried to give him a face so i could work with the character but it wasn’t working for me and people didn’t like him.

5.       Nanna is also another reason for dad crocker’s death, through the story nanna became John and Jade’s new guardian, her arc culminating on her getting back her youth and now simbolicaly (and actually for real) taking the role of John and Jade’s mother. On top of that, in the future epilogue, the Harley-egbert’s basically become a big assembled family and dad crocker playing basically the pathernal rol when nanna already was fullfiling the mathernal rol would have been weird as fuck since, Dad Crocker is sort of a clone of Nanna’s son 

In short all the reasons listed below meant i had to delete him from the story 

When it comes to Dad Egbert and Mom Lalonde, John never saved them in canon with the power of retcon probably because he didn’t wanted to change any events terezi didn’t specify on her list and risk dooming the new timeline. And while on csau he DID changed things beyond terezi’s plan (stealing the troll’s bodies and slab beds) taking dad and mom’s bodies may have had unintended consecuenced down the line.

Dad Egbert would have also been a problem to integrate to the story like Dad Crocker for all the same reasons, artstyle, losing your guardian being nescesary, being weird having him a round in the new integrated harley egbert family, not to mention he would also take nanna’s guardian role that she gained during all the comic. It would undo the whole story.

I do regret not being able to save Rose’s mom, i feel like she could have had a lot of growth and i wouldn’t have had any problems integrating her to the story. She could have had really interesting interactions with everybody and be Good Friends with nanna, mirroring Jane and Roxy’s friendship.

But if i saved her with retcon i would have had to save Dad Egbert and that was a big no, so mom had to stay dead.

I’m still playing around with the idea of her coming back but don’t count on it

Another person i wish i couls have saved is Alt!Calliope, but due to the nature of CSAU, it’s explicit that the Alt!Callie we see is the canon one, from canon homestuck, and we only encounter her twice before she causes the blackhole and flies to the HS Epilogue. I can’t change her fate, because she’s just a borrowed character. (another borrowed characters from canon are Ghost!Vriska and Ghost!terezi who end up in the blackwhole with the dancestors, since canonically we don’t know what happened to them, just that they found eachother and got probably sucked by the blackhole eventually)

Aside from that, i found a way to everyone i needed/wanted to save in csau (not to mention whatever happens in the epilogue)

[yandere-monoma]

They haven’t gotten any real focus yet and John Strider hasn’t even appeared in a fic yet but it’s notable how you write the prospit kids as being more resistant to Strider bullshit. Like, they come off as normal almost? Is that a good thing or not? Only time (and new fic updates) will tell

:3c indeed!!! is being resistant a good thing or a bad thing? is it better to adapt to your surroundings or try and resist and fight every inch of the way in the hopes of finally gaining something suitable for yourself? is there a 'better' tactic to cope with abuse or neglect?

it's so super fun to explore that give and take. rose strider ending up (debatably) the most mentally unhealthy of the strider kids but also becoming (debatably) the strongest of them all as a result. does this make her more successful than dave, since she can absolutely fight better than he is and thus is better 'suited' to play the hero? or is dave, who manages to regain his individuality and break through his (co)dependency on his brother faster, better than her? can they even be compared??? oh the traumalympics of it all...

or, another example, using a different set of messed up kids: rose lalonde vs jade lalonde.

the latter doesn't immerse herself completely in her mother's antics, which has actually heightened the sense of competition between them, even if there is no active 'war' between them like rose and her mom. rose and mom create a 'loving' '''rivalry''' of their dynamic, which gives rose an outlet and gives her a way to express her frustration towards her guardian, even if it's not translating right. jade does not. she makes a habit of venting to her friend(s) but she otherwise does not feel heard when trying to confront mom on her terms and she doesn't feel like she can do much to retaliate otherwise, because she doesn't want to play the same game her mom does. and since she isn't playing along, she's actually formed twice as many insecurities linked to her that rose has.

another really fun aspect of all this is the fact that... MAN!! i have so many thoughts just always about the way homestuck is told mostly through dialogue and pictures, so you're only able to infer so much about characters. there's a characterization tip i learned in college that everything people say (or at least most of it) is twice removed from their actual thoughts, at the very least. like, people say things that perhaps they've been thinking for days, weeks, years before the fact. and that's if they're even willing to be honest with themselves and their emotions to the people around them. something that is so great about homestuck is that people lie, they deflect, they manipulate the perspectives around them so successfully that readers don't even catch on unless it gets spelled out for them... if it gets spelled out

(jake is such a great example of this i could talk about jake forever)

switching from a comic book medium to one that uses narrative prose is so interesting because of that, because we suddenly get a window into the direct thoughts of the characters, we suddenly get the full picture that all of their dialogue leaves out.

i say this because it is a very very deliberate choice that certain killswitch characters and their arcs are only implied in dialogue vs others who have their entire psyches written out. we know rose is batshit because we spend 9+ chapters of prose in her head, reading her thoughts. we don't actually get to see how messed up dave is inside until way later when he expresses it. the jades are all jumbled up inside, but we keep missing out on it because they have such a good handle on their personalities and making themselves sound stable even when they aren't, and who knows when we'll actually get a peek inside of their heads. and like... DAMN it's so fun to think of what kym would have been liked if it started off like the other killswitch fics, where you're just subjected to dialogue that gets parsed out later. like rose strider talks like a 4channer and it's fun to imagine a world where that was in the forefront and she got a chance to seem just as normal as jade and dave strider get to at the beginning of their journeys. alas i need everyone to know she's insane... 😌🥰

[davekat-sucks]

I've seen one take regarding Homestuck, that the webcomic's plot is """misandric""" for portraying men in a negative/vexatious way as opposed to the female cast. What do you think about this?

There have been more cases of women having the higher power and taking part of something bigger compared to the male cast. It has been sort of a running theme about the boys going for the more emotional arcs and the girls get to have lots of power and taking action. You got things like with Vriska, Mindfang, The Condesce, Snowman, Mom Lalonde, Peregrine Mendicant, Rose Lalonde, Jade Harley, etc being active in using their powers, being part of something larger, having ties with important figures, or causing destruction that lead to important events that follow, much different compared to the male cast besides a few exceptions for plot. I can see it as part of Hussie being a horny motherfucker for stuff like Vriska and other fem characters that would show femdom traits. The guys may have moments of this too, but the women tend to be the ones that get more focused on from the fandom and Hussie. Or worst cases, the guys are written off as joke characters, portrayed as weak or stupid by the narrative despite their potential, or only used as plot devices and they can't be actual characters. Maybe Hussie kind of is because of how many times he puts down some of the male characters, some worse than others like with Tavros and Jake. I also just think Hussie is kind of a shit writer for not being able to balance out the large number of characters and what he had set up because he thought it was cool.

[29pageshomestuckeveryday]

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It seems someone has recently untied a boat.

Author commentary: The focus is, of course, on Rose as a hero of this story, but finally entering the Medium is a significant moment for Mom Lalonde as well. She clearly knew this day was coming. Spent most of her life doing whatever she was doing in that lab behind the house, as well as raising her daughter for this day. When the time comes, she slips out the back and gets on a boat to who knows where. She's finally free. By leaving the martini glass there, is she indicating she's finally kicking the habit too? Why don't we just call it the prelude to Roxy's sobriety arc.

[catgirl-catboy]

I was awoken my slumber and fuck i forget about homestuck day

For the honour of day I want to be bitch about Rosemary and how uwufied they are, like why?

YEAH!!! Like, I don't get how Johndave and Davekat got the "Angst and overcoming parental trauma" treatment by the fandom, when Rosemary had the CANON "Angst and overcoming parental trauma" dynamic and all Dave ships in canon have a "Boys (/gn I am so counting Terezi in this) will be boys vibe"

Give Rose the Mom Lalonde recovery arc. Please!