#mlb andre

[kupo-theincendiary]

theyve been trying to unpack except andre's the only one doing any work. the others kept sitting on the boxes and he had to get out chairs as soon as possible. now emilie's sitting on the table. gabriel changed records twelve times already and only got to the end of one of them. andre keeps making quiet polite comments asking indirectly for help and everyone intentionally misses the point. theyre not even lazy they just think it's funny

[ridiculous-disaster]

So.. no one is going to talk about how illegal what Andre is doing actually is. I’m not talking about adopting Zoe without permission from her actual father (also very illegal), I mean giving custody of Chloe to Audrey, she has proven herself to be both neglectful and abusive. I can’t be completely sure about French law concerning this as it don’t live in France. But I think it counts as child endangerment. Especially considering that this legal procedure doesn’t seem to be done in a court (from I’ve seen from the leaks). So if it isn’t an actual court Andre’s still has custody of Chloe, who he handed over to someone he knows is negligent with Chloe.

P.s. Would anyone want to listen to a rant about (almost) all of ladybug’s outfits?

[sillysiluriforme]

i love creating problems for myself anyway the brokies and the brokesexuals

[eldritch-ace]

They’re going on a date that is going to confuse the hell out of André le glacier :)

(also these are future/current day designs)

[sidsinning]

I will say giving the grown man that raised and enabled Chloe into the monster she's become a redemption arc before the child herself is fuckin WILD

[paracosmicat]

[vile-wizard]

The advertisement vs the product you actually get

[cardiac-agreste]

Here are some thoughts on why I think Chloe's character arc makes perfect sense.

Chloe has a real bad hangup about power. She needs to feel it desperately.

she idolizes Ladybug, who is powerful

she wants a Miraculous to feel powerful

she orders her dad around to feel powerful

she mis-names her butler to feel powerful

she bosses Sabrina around to feel powerful

she is cruel to Marinette to feel powerful

she is dismissive of Chat Noir because he is subservient to Ladybug and therefore weak

When Adrien stands up to Chloe regarding her treatment of Marinette, she perceives this as him ordering her to reign in her power. To restrict her power.

In response, she re-asserts her power: she cuts him out of her life. Similarly, Ladybug denies her a Miraculous, so she turns on Ladybug, again lashing out at someone who has diminished her power. She then aligns herself with someone who promises it to her.

Then Zoe shows up, and Zoe gets attention and affection (and therfore power) from Andre, who isn't even her real father! She's spent more time with their mother, which is another form of power.

S3 through S5 is a systematic stripping away of the thing Chloe holds most dear: power. In response to this, she exerts power every opportunity she gets: she tries to take over the movie, she bosses Adrien around, she revels in her cruelty toward Marinette, she aligns herself with Lila (who Chloe recognizes has the power to fool everyone around them), she is cruel to her sister, and eventually she "leads" a fascist takeover of Paris (of course, not realizing that she's fourth banana in the takeover after Evil Gandalf, Slightly Less Evil Elon Musk, and Lila.

Her character arc makes perfect sense.

Uhh, umm, in this powerpoint presentation I will

[miraculouscriticismshub]

It's honestly awful what happened to her. I know she isn't a good person but nobody deserves to be disowned by their parents especially when their the reason why Chloe is like that .

Whats upsetting me more is the comments under this post .

[miraculousdeservesbetter2024]

“OMG! CHLOE TREATS HER FATHER SO TERRIBLY!” 😣

And I understand that!

However, Andre’s a grown adult man, not a freaking baby nor a little boy who needs his father’s approval anymore.

He’s the one who brought her into the world, enabled Chloe, spoiled her rotten, GAVE HER he privileges (the same ones Thomas claims she had), and set a bad example for her. HE put himself into the situation, so HE’S the one that has to deal with it. If you ask me, he needs to grow a spine and do his job as a father instead of expecting everyone to pity him for the bad mistakes that HE made lol 😂

[gryficowa]

Let's be honest, Marinette and the rest of the characters put more effort into trashing Chloe herself than into actually helping (And they still have the nerve to say they were trying to help when in reality all they said was "Be nice" and nothing else, it's a strong attempt to avoid making an effort to help, which the person needs)

Yes, I'm pissed, that's why there are so many posts, but seriously, the fandom still believes that the characters tried to help Chloe and it's all her fault because she didn't accept "Help", too bad it wasn't even help (This song fits so well)

Yes, I get annoyed with people in the fandom who say that the characters tried, it's bullshit, they didn't do anything to help her (And that's why they put more effort into destroying her than actually helping her), and empty words are things anyone can say

[doodlegirl12345]

So true, if only Andre realized it. This was one of my favorite plot lines in season 2 of The Owl House and that says a lot as there was so many good ones.

the virgin andre vs Chad Alador

It's true, they're both negligent parents who neglected their children, only Alastor realized it before it's too late.

[miraculous-metamorphosis]

How's Chloe like in this universe? Does she have a redemption arc or she is more villainous here?

When your father is the mayor of Paris, who would bend over backwards to do everything you say, and your mother is the founder of a fashion magazine, feared and respected by everyone around her... you certainly become an overachiever yourself.

Image is the most important thing in the Bourgeois family, and Chloe worked hard to achieve that image. She's pretty, she's well-loved, and she works hard to do favors for students and faculty! She host school events, she wins first in any competition she's in, she has stellar grades, she's extremely fashionable, and she's just so darn generous and nice! She even dreams of following her father's footsteps in becoming the next mayor of Paris when she grows up! Everyone loves her! Everyone has to love her.

A huge handful of students are lucky to be on her good side, because behind her innocent baby blue eyes is a venomous bitch. A pretentious and capricious poser who seeks to control the environment around her into her own liking. She says who's cool and popular, and who should be left to rot in a ditch through a sickeningly sweet smile.

She despises people who stand in her way, and would do all she can to make sure they're silenced or crushed like insects.

She's a bossy and manipulative egotist who believes she is above all consequences. She only wants attention and praise, even if it means doing all the dirty work just to be worshipped. Even if it resorts to lying, cheating, stealing, or tainting your competitor's name. She's extremely shallow, and only cares if you're rich, popular, and if you have power

Also, she's book smart, but socially she's quite a bit unintelligent.

As for a redemption arc... Kinda? I mean she will get a bit better, but our Chloe

Has to face the consequences of her actions

Will not be the true Bee holder. Yes Queen Bee will come a few times, but the Bee miraculous will belong to someone else in the end.

[sillysiluriforme]

guy who will ruin your life irreparably

[worstcharacterpoll]

Heimskr (Skyrim) vs. Andre Glacier (Miraculous Ladybug) vs. Walter White (Breaking Bad)

[eddo-tensei]

The Power of Love according to Season 5 of Miraculous

Something disturbing dawned on me concerning...a lot of the development in Season 5 and it comes down to one thing: Love.

At first, Andre and Felix getting redeemed while Chloe gets sent off to the worst fate the show would allow didn't make a lot of sense. The only thing I could get from the writers was just that "Chloe bad, so everyone else good." It was stupid, but it wasn't insidious. At least, not that insidious at first. And then the finale with Gabriel happened and while it took me a while to process my frustrations with this, something finally clicked. Not only concerning that, but some of the other developments I've seen.

Felix getting another chance to the point of JOINING the heroes in the new universe seemed like nonsense until you look at what happened before that. He was someone who Astruc went out of his way to bury in the narrative and was exclusively causing trouble for everyone up to and including GENOCIDE...until he showed his love to Kagami. Suddenly, his actions are seen as righteous and his backstory of being abused by his father was justification for his actions. You see, he loved Kagami and he also apparently loved Adrien too because they were "the same."

Andre was basically just some corrupt politician who was also a pathetic snob. Then when Zoe came in, we suddenly get all of these humanizing bits about how Chloe totally mistreated him (because apparently, not having the guts to say no to your daughter is mistreatment) and when he divorced Audrey, he gets Zoe because he's someone he could be happy with. A true familial love unlike the one he had with Chloe.

Chloe, meanwhile, doesn't love anyone as far as the writers are concerned. Any genuine connection she might have in either the platonic, familial, or the romantic sense, whether it'd be to Adrien, Sabrina, Zoe or Ladybug, are shown to be either fake or so utterly shallow, it doesn't count as "love." With that, everything she does is absolutely reprehensible and doesn't deserve a shred of forgiveness even if it's clear she's a neglected child who needed help. BUT, because she "doesn't love anyone", she doesn't get redemption and deserves to be sent away with a parent who doesn't love her either. Same with Lila, she doesn't love anyone at all and in fact, just jumps from family to family purely to keep up her manipulations.

Finally, we have Gabriel, who had done nothing but sheltered, belittled, and outright ABUSED Adrien as well as commit a multitude of horrid crimes throughout the series. His actions constantly escalated in awfulness throughout the series, even showing that he doesn't care if he destroys the universe to get what he wants. Yet there was always this trait he possessed. His love for Emilie and that ended up coming to the forefront in the finale. Marinette, who had Gabriel dead to rights, decided at the last moment to try and appeal to his humanity because she knows he loved Emilie and in her mind, that love is enough grounds for her to offer him one chance to step up and help. Then when Gabriel opts to betray Marinette and starts the wish, he tells her at the last moment to try and help Adrien remember all of the times he "tried to be a good father," which is apparently an indicator that he actually LOVED Adrien too. THAT ended up being why Marinette decided to lie about Gabriel by saying he died fighting Monarch and went as far as to try and tell Adrien to remember him as a good man. All because she knew Gabriel "loved" him.

This tells me something distressing. Now, the concept of "Love Redeems" is something I'm not at all against and is in fact common in a lot of stories I like. However, it's what Miraculous does with this concept in Season 5 that angers me. The message of Miraculous ends up giving in its grand finale for the Agreste arc isn't that love can help people find the way to kindness. It's that anything you do can be justified as long as you do it for "love." It doesn't matter if you purposely get a cab driver in trouble, attempt to sabotage a date that your crush is in, put together a project that tries to commercialize air, betray someone to help a terrorist, commit genocide, cause untold amounts of damage to your town and beyond, or even destroy the universe! As long as you love someone, everything you do can be justified. Except when we decide that you don't love ANYONE, then we'll do everything in our power to show that all of your connections don't count as love so you can have the worst punishment we could possibly muster. Regardless of intent, that's how the writers ended up describing the Power of Love in Season Five of Miraculous and that's wretched to me.