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Wow, you’ve had it all this time? // Oh, yeah, it’s a sorry sight. I mean, sorry, you’re right!
oh, hey, it’s adrinette → day 184
#miraculous ladybug#mledit#miraculousedit#adrinette#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#miraculeakless#ml leak free#mine#ep: mr pigeon 72#project: adrinette#i'd like to believe they went home while linking their arms >:D
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I'll accept the statue scene for what it tells us about how Adrien likes Mari and accepts her no matter how cringe she is but I ain't accepting the writers claiming it was THE moment he started liking her romantically it is nonsense
THIS SHOULD'VE BEEN THE SCENE HE SAW HER DIFFERENTLY THEMATIC PERFECTION HE WAS CLUMSY AND SPEECHLESS AND GIGGLY UNLIKE EVER BEFORE HOW WAS THIS NOT THE MOMENT
#can't convince me its not the writers trying to do damage control bc of the slander the scene got#mlb#ml#miraculous ladybug#sidrabbles#is this salt#mr pigeon 72 got major bars to spit
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every scene where the miraculous theme song plays in minor, french version, because no one can stop me
while i was making this i discovered some fascinating differences between the french and english dubs i'd never noticed before.
for some reason, music seems to play a key higher in french. this is interesting, but it makes sense until you get to re-création and realize the version with english subtitles and french audio is somehow still different to the version with no subtitles and french audio.
first, with english subtitles, the music starts earlier, when adrien blushes for the first time. in french, it only starts after marinette tells adrien he is the only one who who can decide what to make of his life and he smiles.
with english subtitles, there are some bell-like synths which enter before adrien says he feels free. in french, these synths are not present until afterward, and the orchestra swells on adrien's line.
with english subtitles, the music crescendoes when adrien and marinette kiss. in french, the music has already been crescendoing, and after they kiss it stops. a sadder piano rendition with a single violin comes in during the following shots before fading out.
in both versions, the music during re-création is different to the music in all prior scenes, which were identical. it seems to have been remixed for the finale.
both versions are tragic, but the french version has a softer sort of melancholy.
(english version) (in the rain)
#miraculous ladybug#ml mr pigeon 72#ml glaciator 2#ml ephemeral#ml determination#ml protection#ml recreation#ml spoilers#🌃#i have no idea why this is a thing#the localization teams be wilding#ml meta
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“We have to recreate the moment you first fell in love”
#don't know if this has been done already#but I love how ml is always on point with parallels#I mean even the color palettes are paralleled#I could probably write a whole essay about parallels in miraculous#and about the foreshadowing#but I have to save that energy for finals 🫤#adrinette is really the most ship ever#so is the whole lovesquare by the way#adrinette#ml origins#ml mr pigeon 72#ml puppeteer 2#ml determination#ml season 5#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#ml leak free#miraculeakless#miraculous ladybug#mlb#miraculous#ml
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Marinette Traumatized & Could Have Been Killed. Well since you hate Chloe, want to Cataclysm Kim (and somehow ignore the filmer Sabrina who loved the smoke).
Allow me to deride your wah I despise Chloe, I want Marinette protected from what isn't Sabrina or SockayLEAN (or shippers for Adrien and Marinette that's not Andre Glacier) or how you're like Kim had the rejection coming all of a sudden from messy Flashback etc. crap.
Mr. Pigeon 72
Marinette did the same thing. She could have killed Adrien and or mostly Kagami and herself. Different purpose similar outcome. Could have became a trauma causer (I guess again but whatever).
Funny thing. Hating Alya for being pushy for Adrienette and boundary disrespect.
Marinette doing that on Kagami who no longer is interested for the Kagadriemn she's forcing against her.
Girl straight up caused a distraction against Adrien's bodyguard just to sneak her and Kagami to a private session, ruining Adrien's session for shipping nonsense.
So do talk about Mr Pigeon 72 since you wish to be so concerned from Derision.
Notice how things ironically look worse on the protagonist end?
Scratch that, Ladybug is the PROANTAGONIST :)
Experience The Deflagration!
#Miraculous Derision#Mr Pigeon 72#Marinette#Adrien#Kagami Tsurugi#Chloe Bourgeois#Kim Le Chien#Sabrina Raincomprix#Alya#Placide IT#Placide I.T#Socqueline Wang#ml derision#DERISION#Miraculous Ladybug#Anti Miraculous Ladybug#Anti Marinette#Anti Miraculous Ladybug Fandom#anti ml fandom#anti mlb fandom#plumsaffron
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17, 18?
17. there should be more of this type of fic/art
the thing with ml is that it's such a huge and diverse fandom that i feel like there's a HUGE amount of everything already 🥺 but hmmm. you know what. i think there is ALWAYS more room for alyanette, both platonic and romantic. all content i see of them is so uniquely sweet and cute
18. it's absolutely criminal that the fandom has been sleeping on...
RELATED TO NO. 17!!! ALYANETTE!! i feel like it's really easy to reduce alya to the adrienette cheerleader in works, which like, yeah, she IS, but i really wish we saw more of what an INCREDIBLE friend she is. idk, maybe im biased because my best friend is literally my irl alya, but can we please appreciate that the only reason alya is 'pushy' is because she KNOWS how upset marinette gets by HER OWN anxieties getting in her way? alya literally pushes marinette because she WANTS marinette to chase after what she wants, she WANTS marinette to have confidence that she DESERVES the things she wants. and it's hard to see that pre-reveal since there are a lot of factors she still couldn't see, but what about mr pigeon 72, when alya was the one to realise that ladybug could quite literally do whatever her imagination allowed? that her only limit was herself? doesn't it say so much that ALYA was the one to so quickly realise that all marinette needed to do was believe in herself?
oh my god. i have so many feelings about alya. i will defend her with my life
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It's really, really worth noting that Marinette thought she was alone, talking to an inanimate object, specifically because Adrien had decided to deliberately pretend to be an inanimate object. Acting cringe at inanimate objects (which Marinette sincerely thought she was doing) isn't a crime. And, like, yeah, she shouldn't be touching and potentially damaging the wax statues, but that'd be like... mild vandalism, not an inappropriate interpersonal interaction. (Also, apparently Adrien's statue has repeatedly gotten actual pieces cut from it by over-invested fans. Which is, of course, also unadvisable, but. Yeah.)
It is also really worth noting that people routinely objectify Adrien much like this when he's just existing in public and not willingly pretending to be an inanimate object. Marinette at least stopped doing it and was mortified as soon as it became clear that it was the real Adrien, not a statue.
It's cringe comedy, which is definitely not everyone's cup of tea, but they both had fairly innocent intentions, their cringe ideas just just combined in a... memorable way. They apologised not because they were actually trying to do anything horrible to each other, but because the situation just kinda turned out deeply embarassing, for reasons neither of them foresaw.
I need to talk about the statue scene in Puppeteer 2. It reeks of rated-G SA and Adrien went into fawning trauma mode when Marinette got upset. Like bro, she felt you up, pulled your hair, and kissed you without your consent. And Adrien is the one who apologizes for it. And that’s when Astruc decided Adrien should fall in love with Marinette. Unbelievable.
Hi!
To be fair, that's typical for the humor of this show. It's not supposed to be taken seriously. That's why I don't really consider Marinette being a stalker or anything like that an actual criticism of her character. It's just part of the exaggerated humor of the show and it's not supposed to be literal. That scene really isn't meant to be serious. Marinette really thought he was a statue, and Adrien realized the joke backfired and apologized because the situation was awkward. It wasn't really a big deal. It was played for laughs more than anything. It's completely understandable to find it distasteful, but it's not meant to be serious and doesn't really reflect on the characters imho.
That being said, your point does work when we talk about the episode overall. The episode started with Adrien calling his friends over because he was lonely, but it ended up focusing on Marinette anyway. I didn't really like that, because it's just another instance of the narrative not being able to not make it about Marinette again. And yeah, it's so strange how they made that the scene where Adrien fell in love with Marinette, and not, I don't know, the umbrella scene 2.0. It's one of the retcons that is clearly made to justify all the criticisms fans have of the show. Marinette is a stalker? It's because of trauma! The statue scene was weird? Sike, that's when Adrien actually fell in love with Marinette! Even though the episode where it happened showed them both being super weirded out and ended with Adrien talking about his love for another girl with no hint whatsoever that he began to view Marinette in a different light since then. But yeah, that's when he started to like her. Suuuuure.
Thank you for your ask!
#in defense of the statue scene#there's a lot of cringe comedy that I don't like but I actually do enjoy this one.#maybe because they both kinda put themselves into the position AND could stop it immediately?#comparatively I can't really enjoy the cringe comedy of 'mr pigeon 72'#I think because Kagami is such an unwilling participant who got dragged into it against her will#[disclaimer: this is not a moral judgement of which cringe comedy you're allowed to enjoy. it's just me.]#ml s3#ml puppeteer 2#statue scene#marinette#adrien#ml s5#ml writing criticism#ml s5 criticism#honestly I'm not even opposed to the concept that Adrien started thinking about his feelings for Marinette#after witnessing her romantic-manner behavior at 'statue' Adrien#also 'Puppeteer 2' had some pretty good scenes where we see Adrien thinking and talking abt social interactions#his alienation through being viewed through the lens of Marinette's potential love interest instead of a person#could have actually been an interesting thing to explore and it's regrettable that the show ultimately kinda just#didn't allow that to be an actual problem worth addressing DESPITE all the extensive setup and development 😔#there was a lot of potential!#another thing: Adrien's fawning trauma mode isn't actually like... Marinette's fault.#it's a Gabriel-survival mechanism.#now. I do wish that the show hadn't ultimately settled with 'how convenient that Marinette gets Adrien pre-abused -#- into being a compulsive people-pleaser who denies his own emotions and needs for her sake'#but that's a s5 problem not a 'Puppeteer 2' problem
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miracle au: when in canon does afo kill gabriel? in miraculous canon, I mean. like after stoneheart 2 or after a few more akumas?
The canon ML timeline is absolutely fucked. I think it's supposed to have been like 6 months but Mr. Pigeon has been a thing at least 72 times. It doesn't help that they aired Season 1 out of order. I'm not sure what they'd have faced in the one week Hawk Moth was alive
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Ml plot point: Hawkmoth is not trying particularly hard with any individual akuma. Since it takes less effort on his part to make them that it does for LB and CN to fix them, he just keeps making them often enough to mess up their social lives and stress them out. Eventually they WILL make a mistake and lose. He can lose 1000 times, but he only needs one win and it's over. This does get rid of the "Curse you Lady the Bug-ypus" rant after every akuma defeat, but it gives him an actual strategy.
Oh yeah absolutely that's why, as ridiculous as it sounds, making Mr. Pigeon 72 times isn't that insane of an idea.
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Rewatching ML Season 4
Truth: Luka is fed up with Marinette lying to him. Ladybug is put under a truth spell and says that she appreciates Chat Noir’s courage, confidence and jokes. Chat Noir says he’s only that happy with her.
Lies: Marinette watches TV program about Adrien and says his life is awesome, even though sometimes he looks bored or sad. Adrigami scenes. Kagami wants to draw Adrien and says that neither his model poses nor Chat Noir pose is really him. She wants him to be more natural and vulnerable. A few times they almost kiss, but Adrien has to go to help Ladybug. Kagami is fed up with Adrien’s lies. More: Luka vs Adrien and Kagami vs Ladybug. Chat Noir sacrifices himself again.
Gang of Secrets: Ladybug and Chat Noir go to the cinema. Ladybug is frustrated with her love life and doesn’t want to talk about it neither with Chat Noir nor her friends. Marinette is fed up with lying and finally tells Alya that she’s Ladybug.
Mr Pigeon 72: Adrien brought Plagg a big bag full of cheese. He’s “lucky” his father is neglectful, otherwise he would take him to psychologist. Marinette, why are you so stupid (again). Adrien is turned into a pigeon. Adrien is so focused on Marinette that he hits his head when getting in the car.
Furious Fu: —
Sole Crusher: Hi, Zoé. Marinette is short with Chat Noir like Ladybug.
Queen Banana: Chloé wants to be a film star. Adrien wants her to apologise, but she refuses.
Guiltrip: Adrienette moment, Adrien makes googly eyes at Marinette. There’s a pink background, but it’s hard to say if it’s just Marinette who sees her friend this way—it looks like Adrien does too! He comforts Juleka. Chat Noir tries to kill himself. Adrien mocks Chloé.
Optigami: Marinette and Adrien are stuck together in the lift during Akuma attack and they almost reveal themselves.
Sentibubbler: —
Rocketear: Nino thinks Alya’s in love with Chat Noir. Nino tells Adrien that he and Alya are superheroes. Adrien is taken aback that Ladybug let them know their true identities and is worried that Ladybug doesn’t trust him. Nino says Ladybug thinks Chat Noir is disgusting. Adrien is sad during transformation.
Wishmaker: Adrien doesn’t know what he wants to do in the future and says he’s a model now just because his father asked told him to. Marinette and Luka notice Adrien is sad. Adrien again makes googly eyes at Marinette. Luka learns Ladybug and Chat Noir’s true identities. Adrien says that as a child he wanted only to fulfill his parents’ wishes.
Mega Leech: Adrien is shocked to see that his father lied to him about the advertisment. Gabriel treats Adrien’s image as his possession. Adrien is sad and angry. He takes Marinette’s hand during the protest. Chat Noir is possessed by the villain. Adrien notices Marinette is fascinated with the advertisment and isn’t sure what to make of it. Gabriel is angry at Adrien for joining the protest and sends him to his room, touching the wedding ring.
Simpleman: Adrien calls Marinette and asks her to fix a wing that he needs for a photo session. When I watched this for the first time, I thought he genuinely needed her help, but now I think he uses this as an excuse to see her (this isn’t his job to find somebody to fix the wing). Ladybug and Chat Noir almost give the villain their Miraculouses in exchange for sweets.
Dearest Family: Where did Gabriel get the amulet from? I guess my Disney+ has the wrong order of the episodes again. Tikki has an eating disorder. We can see a glimpse of her true form. Gabriel’s talking about destroying the old world and creating a new one, but I don’t think he’s the best source of information about how the wish works.
Crocoduel: Congratulations, Gabriel, Jagged Stone who abandoned his children for years is a better father than you. Chat Noir flirts with every new girl in the team.
Glaciator 2: Ladybug is angry at Chat Noir for his constant declarations of love and throws him in the garbage. Adrien decides to change. He’s sad and cries in the park. Marinette unsuccessfully tries to cheer him up. Gabriel almost sends an Akuma to Adrien, but when he notices it’s his son he stops the Akuma. Gabriel tries to talk to Adrien, but their conversation isn’t going anywhere. Chat Noir is destroying the billboards. How much cheese has he had to take with him? He doesn’t have any bag with him, does he have to go to a shop on every street? I love these Marichat scenes. I want to see Adrien being as sarcastic as Chat Noir here.
Hack-San: Marinette is in a hurry, but she should think about telling Chat Noir she’s leaving Paris. Chat Noir again feels that Ladybug doesn’t trust him. Sincere Ladynoir conversation.
Gabriel Agreste: Adrien brings ill Nathalie a meal and tries to talk to her about his problems. Adrien is compared to an imprisoned princess and Marinette—to a knight. Does Félix suspect that the wedding ring is Adrien’s Amok and try to protect him? Kagami and Félix don’t seem to like each other. Or this is how Félix reacts when he likes somebody. I thought Gabriel tried to kill Félix, but the Akuma goes to the fake wedding ring. OK, so this episode should be before Dearest Family. Félix is now sure that Gabriel created Senti-Gabriel and that he has the Peacock Miraculous.
Ephemeral: Gabriel’s touching his wedding ring when he’s telling Adrien to replace him at the conference. Su-Han tells Ladybug that she should know Chat Noir’s true identity. Marinette cannot believe that Chat Noir is really Adrien. It’s too early for the true reveal: Marinette needs to appreciate Chat Noir too. Marichat needs to happen. Again, neither the reveal nor Adrienette aren’t really problems, it’s the relationship between Adrien and Gabriel: Adrien loves him, but Gabriel is ready to hurt him to achieve his goal. Gabriel’s touching his wedding ring when he’s forcing Adrien to be Akumatised. More: The Reveal & Adrinette. OK, so the Kwamis confirm that the wish destroys the world and recreates it.
Psycomedian: The girls say there’s no love without friendship. Adrien again makes googly eyes at Marinette. Marinette, don’t listen to this clown. This time it’s Ladybug who falls victim to the villain and Chat Noir has to help her.
Qilin: —
Kuro Neko: Adrien feels left out by Ladybug. He gives up his ring and then changes his whole personality to be the Cat she wants him to be. But it’s not the Cat she needs. Plagg says Adrien can be serious around his father and Nathalie, so it’s sad that Ladybug wants him to be like that too. Ladybug says she knows Chat Noir very well while mistaking him for the Sentimonster. Plagg says Adrien is both Adrien and Chat Noir.
Penalteam: Adrien can’t play football.
Risk: Adrien says he doesn’t want to be a model and tells Lila he doesn’t want to listen to her lies. Gabriel wants to send Adrien away. Adrienette moment. Adrien says that it’s like an invisible force stopped him from telling his father he didn’t want to be a model. Félix says he wants to save Adrien.
Strike Back: Ladybug mistakes Félix for Adrien. If she knew Chat Noir’s true identity, she wouldn’t make that mistake. Or if Chat Noir intervened. Félix quietly says that he’s sorry and he betrays the heroes, but in the context of season 5 I can see he isn’t totally evil and selfish. Chat Noir stands by Ladybug and comforts her.
Previous: Rewatching ML Season 3
Next: ML Season 5
#miraculous ladybug#ml season 4#luka couffaine#lukanette#chat noir#kagami tsuguri#adrigami#adrien agreste#sentiadrien#ml analysis#adrienette#marichat
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Anti-akuma Charms
anti-akuma charms by fulldaysdrive, iridescentOracle
regarding the unexplored possibilities of anti-akuma charms and gabriel agreste's considerable feats of pettiness
Words: 764, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English
Series: Part 4 of ml notfic
Fandoms: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: General Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Characters: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir, Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Alix Kubdel | Bunnyx, Gabriel Agreste, Xavier Ramier
Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir/Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Bunnyx & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Gabriel Agreste & Xavier Ramier
Additional Tags: Notfic, Episode: s04 M. Pigeon 72 | Mr. Pigeon 72, Post-Episode: s04 Gabriel Agreste, Anti-Akuma Charms, Time Travel, Crack
Read Here: https://archiveofourown.org/works/45482359
#AO3 Feed#FanFiction#AO3 Adrienette#❤️#💖#💚#Adrienette#Miraculous Ladybug#♥#R:G#A:Fulldaysdrive#Time Travel
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it's theory time my babes
So. Mr. Pigeon 72.
I feel the second-hand embarrassment approaching because not only this is ml, it's ml in what is possibly the most awkward setting for a 15 y/o in real life: the pool.
Anyway, based on the 0.25 seconds I hyperfixated on, I think the premise is that Adrien is in a photoshoot for a line of swimwear, which is the reason why Gabe "is" there (don't lie to yourself, do you think this man would go on his ipad to see his son in swim class? ofc not).
Mr. Pigeon is there because the pigeons are part of the aesthetic™, once again profiting from what was originally Marinette's idea, ahem. Gabriel, pay your interns. What am I saying? you're an a-hole, you won't.
So I think the reason why Mr. Pigeon will get akumatized is because they can't get a good shot of Adrien and they blame it on him and the pigeons. I can imagine it going like, Adrien at first flops because of his allergy, right? That's why they get him the thing for the nose (listen, I know swimmers use it regardless, okay? Shh. Let me go on my crack for a sec.) to see if it helps. The photoshoot keeps rolling and Adrien keeps failing, until one is a little too many. Except the last time he fails, it's not him or the pigeons: It's a distraction.
Exhibit A, your honor:
That's a rose. also pigeon in the background, you good my dude?
I can imagine one of two things are happening here. a) The rose is part of the photoshoot, b) it has something to do with these two:
Judging on the fact Marinette has The Look on her face, with Kagami looking evidently uncomfortable, I think it's the latter. This is right after Marinette has decided to give up on Adrien, right? What if. What if she and Kagami were hanging out and come across Adrien's shoot (long shot, I know), and Marinette, being the sweet bun she is, takes it upon herself to bring Adrien and Kagami together again without knowing the context of why they broke up?
If a scenario like this is the case, and Adrien is already on his way to whatever event will occur that will result in the Guiltrip Bubbles™, I can see why having his ex and his Just A Friend But I'm Actually Not So Sure Anymore??? in the same place, watching him model in a friggin swimsuit and failing spectacularly at it, might be the cause for a little awkwardness on his end.
tl;dr: Mr. Pigeon 72 might give us awkward Adrien on top of the bounty of Queen Alya and Miss Ladybug powering up.
#LISTEN ZAG. I DON'T ASK FOR MUCH. JUST GIVE ME ADRIEN AWKWARD AWKWARD AWKWARD ATHANAESE AGRESTE.#GIVE ME ADRIEN'S CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OR GIVE ME THE SWEET RELEASE OF DEATH#ml spoilers#ml theory#ml speculation#miraculous ladybug#mister pigeon 72#ml mr. pigeon 72#mr. pigeon 72#ml season 4#ml season 4 spoilers#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#kagami tsurugi#gajgakg this episode is gonna give me SO MUCH second-hand embarrassment i can already feel it#it's gonna be MAGNIFICENT
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every scene where the miraculous theme song plays in minor
(in the rain)
#miraculous ladybug#didn't notice until i went through everything to make this but man this theme can fit so much adrigaminette in it#ml mr pigeon 72#ml glaciator 2#ml ephemeral#ml determination#ml protection#ml recreation
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To clarify, this does not mean your favorite episode, but rather, your favorite episode of this ship. Because this had to be whittled down so much to fit into the amount of spaces available for a poll, this doesn't include every Adrinette episode, so feel free to click other and put your episode in the tags!
This is for the purpose of satisfying my curiosity of ship trends in ml, so please share for a larger sample size!
Ladynoir Poll
#this one was also super painful#theres so much good adrinette#please dont be mad at me for not including your favorite#im very fragile 🥺#and trust me#i really wanted to include so many more#but alas#the tumblr 12 option maximum#miraculous ladybug#mlb#miraculous#ml#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#ml poll#poll#adrinette#adrienette
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Season 4, Episode 4 - Mr Pigeon 72
I have no idea where to start. This episode has some good things and some extremely stupid.
Marinette isn't still completely fine, but I prefer when she deals with it through being hyperactive than being a whining crybaby.
I know people don't agree with me, but personally I don't buy the whole revealing identity to Alya. It's not a problem with Alya herself, I would say the same about every single character who is not named Alix Kubdel at this point of the story. I haven't written anything in my post about Gang of Secrets, because I thought it would be undone in some way at the start of the next episode. The creators did nothing to explain why revealing identity of Ladybug to anyone was super dangerous and would result in a catastrophe in seasons 1-3 and the first two episodes of S4, but it's magically fine in episode 3. Only Alix made sense to me, as she will be the rabbit Miraculous holder, so she is destined to discover identities of everyone sooner or later and Marinette is aware of that. While it's not necessary to learn identity of anyone to other temporary Miraculous wielders, including Alya. Also that reveal hasn't been foreshadowed in season 3, while the show usually does it, especially if it's about something as important as that! More, in late S3, it's been shown that Alya still can't resist to not talking about Marinette's love life with Nino, despite she asked her to not do it. Now the girl, who is overly excited about superhero stuff, has no problems with even accidental revealing anything to Nino or someone else. She's even "stealing" Bunnix line that she's great at keeping secrets (sorry but you, the creators, haven't shown us that she's indeed is before!). This is why I think that reveal hasn't been planned before they started writing season 4.
But okay, I can deal with it, even if I don't buy it, but things these happened in Mr. Pigeon 72 are even more inconsistent with previous seasons. I have been worried about it, so it doesn't surprised me. For some reason Guardian related-things that have been kept in a secret before from everyone minus current Guardian and the future Guardian, are now fine being done in front of Kwamis (remember, they haven't been allowed to learn about making potions before!) and a civilian who is just a temporal Miraculous holder, not someone who is supposed to be trained to be a new Guardian. You can say - new Guardian, new rules, but why? Marinette has been portrayed as someone who respect authorities, she has never questioned any Fu's rules. It wasn't even said in the episode that she's going to change the rules. I hate that the writers don't even bother to explain us what's going on. Probably they don't bother about consistency, they think the audience is going to be too excited about Alya knowing Ladybug's identity and helping Marinette to question anything about it? How Alya could be allowed to learn the Guardian secrets? She is just best friend of the protagonist, she is not one of the main characters to get that special treatment. I makes zero sense to me. Especially since Su-Han will be introduced in episode 6 and he should help Marinette with understanding the Grimoire, Alya isn't necessary here for any other reason than fanservice.
In my opinion the way how they discovering how to make charms that protects from akumasitation was the most stupid thing that happened this season and one of the most in the whole show. Marinette who is the new Guardiand and portrayed as someone extreme intelligent and creative couldn't find the solution for days, but Alya with zero training magically discovered it in a few hours at worst. And when she told her the solution in not even very clear way, Ladybug did it immediately with no effort. That was so anticlimactic. At least the animation was fine, but other aspects of it was just a big disappointment, and I was looking forward for it. Thank goodness it's just the beginning of the season, I hope later important events of the season will be better written and portrayed.
Also I find it absurd that Rena Rough is walking with a page from the Grimoire like it's just an ordinary book and she's talking about it in front of a random civilian, like things that are written there are nothing special. She or Ladybug are not careful about Miraculous lore anymore. Not to mention that they are giving hints that Rena is very close to Ladybug in public, suspiciously close. And now with them being too careless, that's not hard to suspect that Rena Rouge is someone very close to Ladybug, maybe even as a civilian. Shadow Moth knows Rena Rouge's identity, and it's easy to him to learn who is Alya Cesaire's best friend if he doesn't know it yet, after all his son is in the class with her. Marinette has always been super careful and serious about her duties before, why that sudden change with zero explanation? It's just very out of character to her in my opinion.
I didn't like the akuma battle either, it's now the worst fight of the season in my opinion. It was so short and felt very lazy. I only liked that Plagg got some action and interaction with Ladybug (though it should be suspicious for her that he managed to reach to her that fast). He should be aware now that Alya knows Ladybug's identity but he acts like nothing happened. Not a word about it being unfair towards his kid or something, weird.
Thankfully the rest of the episode is generally more or less fun to me. It was nice to see Marinette and Kagami interacting again. I loved Kagami in the episode, although it was a bit weird to me that she isn't seemed to be affected by her breaking up with Adrien. Like her crush was very shallow, so she managed to recover herself from it very quickly. While it's been shown that Luka is hurt, despite Lukanette always seemed to be much more shallow than Adrigami in my opinion. But maybe it's because she's so down to earth, so being less emotional makes sense for her character. I liked how her attitude was opposite to Marinette's hyperactive: "No, I don't want to be in a relationship with Adrien again, he disappointed me, just let me live!!!". And she's another character who said that Marinette and Adrien are made for each other. I'm not surprised that Kagami sees it now when she tried to be with him and that didn't work. She's observant, sees more than many other characters. It seems she's an Adrienette shipper now. It's also good that her issue with Adrien wasn't resolved that easily and too fast. They need more time, but I'm sure they will be friends again.
So, we've gotten shirtless Adrien. I remember seeing a tweet of Thomas in which he answered to a question if there will be a beach episode and he said we will get something similar. I wonder if he meant this episode. Oh, they just remembered that Adrien is supposed to be allergic to feathers. It seems Adrien has allergic reactions only when it's somewhat related to the plot. When it's not, he's completely fine.
The reference to the famous Umbrella Scene™ out of nowhere in a random episode? It probably means something. I can see "reverse crush" supporters interpreting it as a proof to their theory, especially since this time Adrien did something clumsy and Marinette is laughing because of it (actually both of them). Or maybe because it's the first episode of season 4 with Marinette and Adrien interactions, they decided to be that much gracious for Adrienette fans, to compensate lack of it in the first three episodes. Oh wow, Marinette managed to propose spending more time together to Adrien without stuttering. Probably because she has done it spontaneously. Marinette is the most nervous when she's planning and thinking what could go wrong too much. This time she had no time to it, so it went more smoothly. It's like they building development of their relationship, but it didn't seem in Guiltrip (that's episode 11 chronologically) that something changed.
Seeing screenshot above, you can easily imagine how great friends they could be, being very comfortable around each other and laughing together, if not Marinette's anxiety. We need Adrienette development so much to get more moments like this.
Oh and I just realized that it's also one of the veeeeery few episodes with no real Ladynoir at all (the only other one I remember is Style Queen). So if there was no Adrienette it would be an episode without interactions of two main characters at all (although we almost got Ladrien). It could be another reason why this episode is that nice for Adrien and Marinette ship.
After seeing overly excited Marinette dancing in the rain, I can't believe she can manage completely give up on Adrien. It doesn't look like this at all.
Also we've seen three photos of Adrien wearing THAT scarf. It could not mean nothing different that foreshadowing that he's going to discover the truth about it somewhere this season. But I have no idea what Ladybug's mask with shining eyes could mean.
I don't know what to think about the episode. Despite absurd Guardian-related things, I still liked it much more than Gang of Secrets, but I have no idea if I generally enjoyed it more than other episodes of this season or not. At least it's an episode without stupid drama, which is amazing.
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I'm currently less active on social media, because my internet connection is very unstable, it often works very slowly to the point I'm not patient enough to visit Tumblr. Also I block spoiler tags again, because I don't want to see spoilers from the episodes those are going to be released very soon, as I feel that they reveal too much to me once more. We're currently in a marathon of the new episodes and since watching them is the more more enjoyable, the less I know about them, I decided to try avoid spoilers as much as I can. The only bad thing is that I can't be read discussions about the new episodes, reblog them and adding something from me until Optigami will be aired.
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So, Ladybug and Rena Rouge defeated the villain not leaving the room each. That’s nice, bien joué!
Plus, it was great to see how the illusion of multiple “objects” was handled. The Fox miraculous can help create so many winning situations, I want more.
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