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thr0wnawayy · 2 months ago

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Who would the 10-13 1A members that died in the MLA be, if MHA had any actual stakes? I really liked your Kaminari idea, so I just wanted to explore it with you. It would have realistically made UA/the heroes look a hell of a lot worse and the villains look a hell of a lot smarter if they went for the angle of "the best heroics school in Japan is using child soldiers!"

I know for the heroes, it should have been Pixie Bob and Gran Torino in addition to Crust. Endeavor also should have died because it would have actually given the story actual stakes - Japan is now in shambles and the new #1 hero/heavy hitter is dead. Oh shit, what are they going to do?

Firstly I feel I should clarify that both 1A and B would lose some team members as both classes were thrust into war with basically no real training. Although for the sake of plot 1A would lose vastly more.

With that stated, let us begin.

I know for a fact that Koda is dead.

Truthfully, there is no way someone as bulky as him (with the addition of his poorly designed costume) would be even marginally capable of outrunning Shigaraki's Decay.

His quirk (Anivoice) gives him zero advantages and being in Jaku (a city under evacuation) would only add to this.

We also mustn't forget that the rubble by itself was also capable of disintegrating anything it touched. Putting all that together and given how close he was to "ground zero", his chances of survival are slim to none.

Additionally, everyone who found Midnight's corpse is either dead or brutally injured.

Midnight's body is isolated in a decently foliage heavy area, with plenty of hiding spots and vantage points making it all too easy to set an ambush.

Our merry band of MLA/PLF mercenaries simply have to bide their time, wait for the shock and horror to settle in and then strike.

Sero, Kirishima and Setsuna are easy targets (with Setsuna being the farthest from the bait) their backs are turned and mentally are either distant or "vacant".

If Momo didn't recover from her grief and get off the floor, it's game over.

However. She would likely manage to fend them off long enough to escape (thanks to her intelligence and dexterity), although not without some scars. (eyepatch momo, anyone?)

Mina might be able to hold them off due to her acid but will eventually falter because (as you mentioned) Aizawa's a shitheel.

That brings us up to 5 students so far (if we include Kaminari's death) that have died due to UA's (and the HPSC's) crippling negligence.

I'm a tad hesitant to add Tsu here but it's unlikely she'd survive. (even if she does survive the wave, she'd likely die in the crossfire)

Comicman, because yeah he's unimportant.

For the Villa Raid team it's important that we cut some heroes in order for this scenario to work.

Edgeshot is dead, likely fried to death by Electro-lite.

This would cause the raiding heroes to become discouraged and overwhelmed.

the MLA's gear is more than a match and combined with their years of fighting and tactical prowess. It's not even close.

Simply put; divide and conquer.

Mineta's dying for sure. His costume restricts his (torso and leg) movements and makes him standout like a traffic cone. That guy with holes all over his body is likely the one to snuff him out.

Ojiro is dead the moment the MLA members use numbers to overwhelm him, no amount of martial arts will save you from getting jumped.

Mines dies because his quirk (Twin Impact) suffers from the Flect Fallacy.(Overwhelming the quirk will break it). So pretty much any MLA member could be the one to kill him

That sets the score to 11 total student deaths (8 for 1A, 3 for 1B), not a good look.

We know the rest, Dabi kills Enji for good.

Skeptic publishes a video along with Dabi's exposé that reveals UA is using child soldiers and that the HPSC forged paperwork to allow this.

And the crowd goes wild!

The reactions would be brutal, national if not global criticism from every angle.

The entire raid and evacuation effort would be considered an immense failure, the villains remain at large to gather their numbers and most civilians would be left homeless and displaced.

The hero that everybody placed their bets on turned out be a child/wife beating eugenicist who bought (and later assaulted) his wife when she was only 17. Only to be killed off by the very child he left to burn.

The (global) outrage partially stems from the fact that if it weren't for Dabi, no one would have known otherwise .

The number 2 hero is an (attempted) murderer and seems almost irritated at Enji being outed, the world stage takes this the wrong way and opts not to aid Japan.* What pisses them off the most is his uncaring attitude.

Considering them a lost cause when Shigaraki not only breaks everyone out of Tartarus but also manges to kill AFO by sheer force of will (and wanting to see his friends live as they please)

Rei's speech/conference serves as the final nail. Going into immense detail of the pain she and her children suffered at the hands of Enji. (If their were any doubts Touya was her son, they were killed here)

When asked if anyone knew, she finishes her speech off with revealing that some heroes and staff knew about the abuse and chose to look the other way. Causing the room to burst into an uproar.

*(explaining why Japan was allowed to fester for as long as it did without intervention, something Hori failed to explain)

Parents begin pulling out their children in droves, not wanting to risk their kids getting drafted, others quit by choice.

Shiketsu and Ketsubutsu don't put their students on the front lines (they aren't stupid). The commission is unable to force them due to their, "unique" situation.

The heroes that quit are harshly criticized by the public and media (and usually fairly too), pointing out how shitty it looks (and is) for heroes to suddenly abandon them as soon as things get serious.

Class 1A is left to pickup the pieces with 8 classmates killed (+ Bakugo) the events of the last week have shocked them to their cores but perhaps there is hope.

Of course they're left to pick up their predecessors mistakes, again.

Midoriya would still go rouge, albiet he would stick to his principals. He's made a disturbing connection between Bakugo and Endeavor and it haunts him.

(I should add that Bakugo's death is portrayed for the selfish play it was)

Midoriya likely driven by the need to ensure that he doesn't lose anyone else. His anger at AM would probably stem from the fact that he is putting himself in danger for someone as "expendable" as himself.

I could see the two having a heart to heart that Midoriya is more than his quirk once he willingly returns.

Some additional information:

Bakugo dies permanently, because Edgeshot was killed by "Electro" earlier (even then I'm not doing the writing atrocity that is the "Jeart".)

For heroes I'd like to add Jeanist to the roster. Gigantomachia should have swatted him and his airship like a fly. This means the top 3 are dead, adding to the chaos. This also prevents the old-gen from taking up space.

The High-End Nomu beat the tar out of Miriko, leaving crippled at best and a paraplegic at worst. (That is assuming they don't kill her).

Fourth Kind is killed when, like Ojiro, he is overwhelmed.

Your absolutely correct, Gran Torino and Pixiebob are eliminated, joining Crust.

Twice actually lives, though I would keep that ambiguous until later, he wouldn't get out unscathed of course and would probably need to be put into a coma while his injuries heal.

Himiko's revenge plot now has additional stakes as she promises Twice that she will return to him. (before he's medically put under)

This also fuels the PLF + Spinner, vowing to do right by their ally and friend.

Dabi would have disfigured Hawks upon discovery of his attempt on Twice's life, no more cosmetic scars. Just good old fashioned brutality.

(The fear of losing Twice may have dug up the past memory of losing his mother after Enji drove her to the brink. As Dabi cares deeply for both [even if he won't admit it] ontop of the fact that it's a "hero" that's trying to take them and he betrayed them).

Overall this world is going to be one wild ride with a very different ending to what Hori gave us.

It is a story not of heroes and villains, but of ideals and goals. It asks the question:

What is it to save?

A few additional notes:

Momo would likely have a revenge arc as a sort of parallel between Izuku and Himiko. However it wouldn't be as bland as what we got in canon with Mina.

The mercenaries aren't mustache twirling supremacists, no. Here they're cold, calculated soldiers who are strictly tactical. Midnight was "nothing personal, just business" to them.

They serve as a dark mirror to Momo's shift in personality during the war, as Momo reverts to her initial cold confidant personality and kicks it up to 20 as she hunts them down.

Midnight's killer even points out midbattle on how Momo was sexualized and she doesn't even know it. Telling her at one point: "You may see them as an equal, they see you as a display"

The battle isnt treated as a victory either, while the Momo and her squadron win, the gravity of the situation isn't ignored and Momo actually listens to her opponent's critique.

#mha critical #bnha critical #hero society critical #anti endeavor #mha rewrite #anti bakugou #anti bakugo katsuki #anti enji todoroki #anti mha ending #anti aizawa #ua critical #lov #justice for rei himura #anti kohei horikoshi #anti horikoshi #anti hpsc

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dw-flagler · 3 months ago

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In this post, I will attempt to calmly, reasonably, and in-a-good-faith-manner argue all the points raised by tumblr user @library-bat-girl in the following posts. I am starting a new thread so as not to further destroy the original poster, @skitterenjoyer's, tumblr notifications. Worm (+MHA) spoilers ahead. This will be a long post.

Firstly, I would like to apologize on the worm fandom's behalf. We will not engage in ableism of any kind. I sincerely hope that this was a singular incident and @skittersdrippygirlcock will be better about this in the future.

"MHA has better characters,"

My Hero Academia's primary achievement, I think, is managing to make many decently well rounded characters in a fairly short time-span. It certainly has very good visual character design, with easily memorable character designs, like Mina Ashido or Tsuyu Asui. Most of Class 1A is shown to be more than single-note gimmick characters. For a story with such a tight schedule, and only so much page real-estate, that's impressive! For instance, a character decidedly outside of the main cast, Fumikage Tokoyami, is shown to have more to his personality than "is an edgelord," showing a humility and friendliness that is highly against-type. This is very different than a lot of its peers, especially in Shonen manga, where side characters (and sometimes even main characters) are never more than their tropes (see Fairy Tale, One Punch Man*, The Seven Deadly Sins, or Black Clover). My Hero Academia does clear that bar, by making side characters little more than their tropes. This is to say nothing of the primary cast, who, again, is largely defined by tropes and easily slotted into standardized interchangeable Shonen roles. Rival, Love Interest, Rival but Nice About It. Additionally, MHA has an uncomfortably sexualized main cast, for one composed primarily of minors.

This is compared to Worm, in which many characters are fully realized and could have been the protagonist (and often were in older drafts of the story, due to Worm's 10-year development hell). Every character that gets an interlude, and most that don't, all have fully realized interiority, traumas, and wants. In fact, this is one of the major themes of Worm. Every character, from the protagonist Taylor, to characters so minor they're seen only once (see Damsel of Distress, Dauntless), to major antagonists and monsters (see Jack Slash, Bonesaw) all have their own story, even if this is never shown on-screen. There are no "side characters" in the same manner as in My Hero Academia, because every character is a protagonist of their own story, and not in a trite "life is so beautiful" way.

Taylor isn't the center of the universe, there's an entire world outside of her 3-block bubble. The mechanism by which all characters get their superpowers means that the mere fact of having powers implies this about them. Even the seeming exceptions, aren't (see Alexandria, Garotte). Taylor is a good character. I don't even know how to elaborate on that. She just is. Worm does not have the character Minoru Mineta.

"a better plot,"

What... what is the plot of My Hero Academia? For the life of me, I can't seem to recall. I can tell you the general formula of most of the arcs for the first ~2/3rds of the story. Class 1A goes to do a hero high school thing, like do rescue training, or on-the-job training, or on-the-job-training, or on-the-job-training (they do it like 4 times for some reason), the League Of Villains shows up (even when it's seemingly not the league of villains it actually is the league of villains) they fight about it, the class beats all the villains, and Deku beats up strongest bad guy and also breaks his bones. Repeat step 1. But like. What's... the plot? The League of Villains is evil and wants to kill people and do bad stuff. They explicitly do not have greater motivations. There's generally themes of passing-on-to-the-new-generation, so there's Tomura Shigaraki as the arch nemesis to Izuku Midoriya, just as All Might's Nemesis is All For One. Eventually they fight a big fight about it and I stop reading because I find out about Worm. From what I understand (I have not read the conclusion) the series ends without addressing any long-running questions, wrapping up any character arcs, or concluding anything in a narratively satisfying manner. As if severely rushed.

Worm, there are maybe 15 main stories going on simultaneously, which are all tied into the final confrontation with Scion. The most obvious is Taylor's and the Undersiders' story, about taking over Brockton Bay and defeating Coil, which is a smaller part of Coil's story about taking over the bay, until their confrontation with him in arc 17, when it supersedes Coil's story, and then intersects with Cauldron's story, the Traveler's story, the Case 53s' stories, the Wards' story, all of it, in arcs 18-19. This is one example. A great deal of attention is spent making sure the reader knows that Taylor, the Undersiders, Coil, all of them, are bit players in a very large game. Despite this, it's never hard to follow, because Wildbow, while lacking some of the more flowery prose, manages extremely well at making his stories easy to understand.

"I feel like even people who like Worm can agree that Worm is not the most consistent piece of fiction ever written. The disjointed way it was written meant that emphasis was primarily put on 'What Wildbow thought was cool in the moment', [sic] and the story RADICALLY shifts gears every time a new arc starts."

What? Huh? Worm is extremely consistent. Like. 1.1 to E.x. It's, like. Not disjointed? Oh my god, are you talking about interludes? Is that what you mean? The interludes shift gears? Because that makes sense. It's one of the hardest things about worm, yeah. It's gripping! The interludes are a great idea to expand the world of worm, but the problem is that taylor's story is so intriguing that stepping away from it to focus on something else is hard, no matter how individually interesting. I want to read about taylor's escalation spiral, not the travelers! (As opposed to My Hero Academia having random escalation and de-escalation between arcs with no real explanation. We're reading about lives-on-the-line battles with child-slavers and then move to playing on a playground with little kids? Best I can think of is that this whiplash is intentional, but this is never communicated to the reader. Worm does not do this. Any de-escalation is met with the explicit understanding that this is merely a period of calm before things get even worse). Taylor's story wraps up in an extremely narratively satisfying fashion, following her story to its logical conclusion. There were so many ways it could have been avoided, but there was really only one way that it could have ended.

"better worldbuilding,"

This actually offends me. MHA could have had great world-building. It doesn't. Every potentially interesting bit of world-building is backpedaled out of or stopped before it could get anywhere. Or it's just never elaborated or expanded upon. Everyone having a superpower could have been cool, but the implications of this are nonexistent. The reasons for this having no real implications, that being the banning of quirks, also has implications that are also immediately backpedaled out of. It's been hundreds of years since our time, yet life is exactly the same. Nothing ever happens. Endeavor is a cool concept. I like Endeavor. his existence implies such interesting things about the world, how important hero ranking is to these people's lives, that he would create this horrific system of domestic abuse to try and get to the #1 spot. What does this say about this system of heroes that operates like a popularity contest? It could have said a lot. It says nothing. What does the League of Villains, a league of people who call themselves out-and-out villains, who base their ideology in opposing this system of heroes, say about society? Nothing. On purpose. Worm does something with this. One Punch Man does something with this. My Hero Academia puts it in the story, and lets it sit, unused, for a decade.

Worm has... unique world-building. Because it's both good and bad at the same time. Worm's #1 feature is its world. It's brilliant, full stop. Triggers, The Birdcage, the PRT, Exclusion Zones! Why does the status quo exist? what does it say about that society? What does it say about our society? Why hasn't society radically changed from how it is in our world? This is explained. This plays into the themes. The story wants to say something about this world, and so it does. There are characters whose stories explicitly delve into these themes that are set up in the worldbuilding, like Armsmaster, or Battery, or Bonesaw, or Coil, or Piggot or Alexandria or Taylor herself or Brian or Lisa or ANY OF THEM THEY ALL DO THIS. Sorry.

Anyway, the bad part is that the actual world is not well built (and is kind of racist). What's going on in Europe? There's a 3 blasphemies! a 3 what? never explained. What's going on in Asia, aside from Japan? China is a monarchy for some reason. Why? It's never elaborated on. India gets a little bit of elaboration, we're told its different but not how it's different. Wildbow uses machine translation wrong and names some guy caliph of dogs. This is like worm's #2 problem honestly (#1 is Amy). Wildbow tries to make the implication of a well thought out globe without actually making a well thought out globe.

"stronger themes,"

It really doesn't. As I said in the worldbuilding section, MHA makes a point out of not saying or doing anything. I don't know if editors made Horikoshi walk back the more ambitious story beats or what, but there are multiple points in the story where the author pretty much looks you directly in the eye and goes "This Story Isn't Saying Anything At All Even Though It Looked Like It Would. Lmao."

Worm has lots of themes. I think Armsmaster/Defiant's story is my favorite. His entire character arc (which is fully realized despite him being a background character for nearly the entire story) has a point to it. It says something. It's misanthropic and uplifting simultaneously, and manages to feel like it earns both. It's a shared theme with Bonesaw/Riley's story, explored in two different ways.

"Meanwhile MHA establishes an actual overall theme/message right from the start that expands and develops throughout the story. The worldbuilding is informed by the message, which informs the characters arcs and the people they become by the end of the story."

I notice that you never actually say what that message is. What is it? Like, for real. I'm not being confrontational or anything, like what is the message? Cuz' I can't think of one. My Hero Academia, at its very core, is a defense of the status quo. Much like its world-building, but much less forgivable, because it does do something new and unique with its world-building. MHA could have done some extremely interesting stuff with its early implicit critique of heroic society as shown with characters like Bakugo, or Shigaraki, or Endeavor, or Overhaul, or Midoriya himself! It just doesn't! It doesn't do stuff that Worm does do!

Worm does have a message. It has a lot of messages, actually, some that the author disagrees with somehow. Prison abolition, for one. We know Wildbow loves prison. Anyway, the big one is in the subtitle: doing the wrong things for the right reasons. Taylor's constant spiral of escalation, her dwindling attachments to her friends and greater focus on treating herself like a soldier is prevalent, and it is to be avoided. Taylor isn't a sin-eater. They don't exist. From what I remember, this is sort of explored in Deku's character arc for a short period of time, but much like everything else in MHA, it is backpedaled out of.

The funniest is "don't text and drive" though.

"Just on a basic level the way that the audience is meant to feel about Taylor oscillates wildly between being directed to think of her as a misunderstood victim of circumstance, or history's greatest monster."

That's kind of the point. Like. the audience isn't meant to look at Taylor the same way throughout the entire story. It's meant to change as she changes. Taylor's opinion of Taylor changes. The mistake here is saying it "oscillates wildly." it doesn't. It's a slow and steady change for the worse, as Taylor gets more violent and starts throwing away greater and greater parts of herself to become more like a robot and less like a person.

"But a bigger issue in general is tone. It's very focused on being dark and gritty and edgy, and it makes the mistake a lot of consciously edgy media does. IE: it thinks that all it has to do to be smart is be bleak and/or graphic. It doesn't really try to say anything, in fact it contradicts itself throughout the book as I mentioned before, it just throws in extremely graphic scenes and content periodically to remind the audience how fucked everything is."

Did you read the boys and think it was worm? What? It's not being smart when it's bleak or graphic? I actually personally like the endbringers or the slaughterhouse 9, and not because I like watching people suffer. These things exist for a reason. It's not being dark for the sake of being dark. The heroes could stop the slaughterhouse 9. We see that, when they almost stop the slaughterhouse 9 (it's explicitly shown that they are stopped from destroying the slaughterhouse 9). The question then becomes why don't they? It's a grim, brutal calculus, and one that wasn't worth it. That's the point. The Endbringers are different. It's not until arc 27 that they're really explained. You could either read them as a criticism of Eidolon or of ableism, honestly. I mean, it wasn't intentional, he didn't create them on purpose, he needed something to fight, because without that he's nothing. His powers are all he has.

"Worm spends so much time trying to be edgy that as with a lot of edgy media the edginess loses all impact quite quickly and becomes sort of cringe."

I don't really think so, but like. Okay. I don't think this is a reconcilable viewpoint (none of this is really but this especially), so like we're probably gonna have to agree to disagree. The only thing I can really think of as edgy for the sake of edginess is Amy's arc. But even that's not really true. It's meant to be an utterly avoidable tragedy that could never have been stopped because of the people involved. Much like Taylor, actually. Amy could have stepped back from the brink, but she didn't, because Amy could never have done that, and nobody else was willing/able to help. It's supposed to be a thing where you sit back and think of all the tiny ways this could have easily been avoided, but wasn't.

"When body horror happens it still has impact because it's not happening constantly."

I mean, I guess. But like. I never got desensitized to the body horror in Worm. It hit pretty consistently for me throughout. As opposed to MHA, where it was usually walked back by the end of every arc. I never felt much tension or suspense because it felt as if there weren't actual consequences. In Worm, when Brian was strung up on his nerves, it felt disgusting because I was fully aware Worm would explore the ripple effects of this. It felt entirely possible he would die there, or never recover, because Worm didn't pull its punches. MHA did. This is a matter of opinion. We'll just have to agree to disagree about it.

"But most importantly - you root for the heroes because the world actually seems like it's worth saving."

that's just, um. sorry. I'm really trying here. That's just. Uh. Dumb. Do you root for Batman cause Gotham is a nice city? Everything's worth saving, that's, like, at its most basic what the concept of a superhero is about.

"Not only that but MHA simply does villain protagonists objectively better than Worm."

um. No? There straight up aren't villain protagonists in MHA. The villains are the POV characters for, like, one arc? You know what, here's a good spot for it. It's stated throughout the story that Shigaraki and the League of Villains have a goal, beyond just death and destruction. They're here to stop the corrupt society of heroes (that MHA hints at the existence of before backpedaling away from), and bring about a fairer society. But then, and this part pissed me off, one of the characters, I think Bakugo, says: "you're just using that as cover! you just want to kill people, you have no noble goal!" and shigaraki's like "dang you caught me." and then it happens again with Deku! Because My Hero Academia is allergic to saying something. Nope! They're villains! No moral depth here! They're Villains, We're Heroes, Go Put Them In Jail.

This is opposed to Worm, where- "The characters of the villains and their origins are used to highlight the flaws in the Superhuman society"

"Most of the villains are only villains because society failed them in some way, and the specific ways in which that happened become big plot points that then play into the future arc of our heroic characters."

I had to walk away from my computer for this one. It's hard to be civil. It's really hard. Polite and reasonable.

So Worm is about this. To even say this without a shred of irony makes me thing you've never once read a single word of Worm and are doing this purely as bait. Or you've read all of Worm and are doing this purely as bait.

"They're actually extremely complex in a way that ends up being fundamentally important to the overall story - where in Worm the villains are either based heroes fighting a corrupt system or they're histories [sic] greatest monsters... until they're presented as heroes again."

I think I get it now. I really think I do. You're not supposed to agree with all the characters. Like. Worm is inconsistent, in that it follows the perspectives of inconsistent people. Of course Triumph and Armsmaster don't agree on what is right! They're different people, they have different perspectives!

"See. Worm fans keep saying "This is Bait." It's not Bait, you all are simply ridiculous and obsessed with this series to such a degree that you feel compelled to say "This is Bait" instead of just... ignoring it, because you have no actual counterargument."

Perhaps worm fans are inclined to believe you posted rage bait because you brazenly walked into another fandom's post and wholeheartedly proclaimed that the thing they liked was Stupid Idiot Bullshit For Fucking Morons, and refused to elaborate until prompted, at which point you said several things that are demonstrably false about Worm.

"Your only response to anything I've said is pedantry, bigotry, and deflection. If it was obviously just bait why are you engaging?"

Well, I'm engaging because I've been in a foul mood since I woke up this morning. Also because you, again, said some very rude and patently false statements about a story that I really enjoy and find narratively rich, even in its faults.

"MHA's characters do fall into archetypal shounen character roles - but they are all given a solid amount of focus explaining why they are like that and developing them into something bigger."

Again, as I said, it's a genuinely impressive feat to have an ensemble cast like what My Hero Academia has, and give so many of the characters a degree of depth, with such little manga to work with. I think worm does it better, but worm doesn't have to be economical about it. MHA does. The problem I have with this statement is that it becomes a question of scale. How much bigger? They're no longer defined by their tropes, instead defined by their opposition to their tropes. It's still a one-note character, you've merely changed the note from C to C sharp.

"so almost every member of the cast has an arc that either develops them past the person they initially seemed to be or explains why they're like that."

This is probably my favorite part about MHA. They do have arcs! I love ensemble casts! it does a much better job in this than all of its contemporaries, even One Piece. However, they are comparatively simplistic arcs that all follow a similar formula.

"I've heard people say MHA is neocon or pro-establishment but the story literally concludes by showing that society HAS TO FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE or the same problems that created the villains in the first place will keep happening. The entire time skip specifically focuses on the fact that for eight years the main characters have been forcing change in the world and addressing the issues the villains brought up."

Now, I'm going to be clear. I stopped reading My Hero Academia around chapter 275. I don't know the exact number, but it was the latest chapter in ~mid 2020. I would occasionally attempt to reread, in an attempt to catch up, but give up around chapter 200 out of boredom. I don't know exactly how the story ends, but I have read ~2/3rds of the story. I feel this gives me a pretty good understanding of the general tone of the story, unless it wildly changes tone at the 3/4ths mark, which you have explicitly said it does not, as it is extremely coherent and consistent. Therefore, I believe I can state with some degree of confidence that MHA does not do that.

I would certainly believe that it tries (and fails) to SFP it, but SFP does not promote a fundamental societal change. That's the problem. Strong Female Protagonist was willing to come up and say that Alison lived in a fundamentally unjust world, even if it was never willing or able to offer real change. And hey. You do what you can. I sincerely doubt My Hero Academia is even willing to call its world fundamentally unjust, from the 200+ chapters that I did read.

"In the case of the actual main characters, they have extremely comprehensive character arcs."

Adding this behind the last point just so that I don't have to reiterate I haven't finished the book. I am, however, very much not inclined to believe the actual main characters had extremely comprehensive character arcs.

Which plays back into the initial theory that ANYONE CAN BE A HERO.

man, spider-man did that better (not a real argument, but like, spider-man totally did that better). Not least because midoriya specifically could not become a hero were it not for all might giving him a power.

No, the Villains don't get happy endings,

Why not? Why do they go to jail, even the ones who changed and wanted to redeem themselves? Endeavor never goes to jail. He did some horrible stuff. He's redeemed himself in the eyes of the story, right? Anyone can be a hero, right? So why not them? Why haven't they redeemed themselves in the eyes of the story?

You may wish to turn this back on me and ask why doesn't Armsmaster go to prison? Because he's similar in some respects. But worm never calls prison justice. (for some reason, even though wildbow totally loves prison). Prison is punitive, a tool for those in charge to control those it manages to capture. Maybe some deserve life in the birdcage. Many don't. It doesn't matter. Because the birdcage isn't a tool of justice. It's not meant to be. it's a box to put the uncontrollable capes in, until they can be used as meat shields. So Armsmaster doesn't go to prison because the story says explicitly there is no point to it. But MHA? MHA says there is a point to it. Endeavor needs to go to prison if he wants to atone. He's escaping justice every second he's outside.

I have actually read Worm, and for the first half to two thirds I loved it.

Weird. That's exactly how long I really enjoyed MHA. Not, like relevant, to anything. Just odd. I mean, I don't actually dislike MHA. I think it's fine, actually. It feels like Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade to me. Funny (when Mineta isn't around), bombastic, and a good time, even if I don't think it's super thematically rich.

I'm not coming at this from the perspective of someone who has never seen any of the merits of Worm, I'm coming at it from the perspective of someone who really liked it, gave it a fair shot, and was eventually disappointed when it ended up not tying together right.

See, this makes me more inclined to think it's bait, actually. since you said "Oh yeah. MHA is published. MHA's been an ongoing publication with a large following for ten years, in a notoriously competitive industry. Now this might seem kind of unimpressive, it's a very low bar to clear I know. But it's one Worm hasn't, so. I dunno, I'd say that's fairly objective. Now you may think "Yeah, but Trash fiction gets published all the time." And that's true but again - Worm hasn't. The worst piece of fiction you can think of got published and Worm didn't. You wanna be an asshole about this? The thing you love is so mid that it was self published in 2013, couldn't get picked up for professional publishing until 2019 and as far as I can see has stayed in development hell since then." in your previous post. Sure, perhaps we can say you were pissed at the time, but "the thing you love is worse than trash fiction, an altogether nothing piece of literature that isn't even worth the paper it would hypothetically be printed on" does not strike me as the words of someone who "really liked it, gave it a fair shot, and was eventually disappointed when it ended up not tying together right." In fact, going back through your other statements on the story, you seem to have genuinely disliked it from the very beginning, on grounds of being too edgy (which I can fully understand the logic of): "IE: it thinks that all it has to do to be smart is be bleak and/or graphic," thematically incoherent: "It doesn't really try to say anything, in fact it contradicts itself throughout the book as I mentioned before, it just throws in extremely graphic scenes and content periodically to remind the audience how fucked everything is," and utterly devoid of purpose or meaning. "When it does introduce new lore that new lore is almost always overly convoluted and acts as a catalyst for things happening, but not really things happening that play into a wider theme or message. It's just "Oh and here's this team of god-level serial killers who are gonna string a dude up by his nervous system." Like yeah, cool visual, but what is any of this actually saying?" This does not sound like a ringing endorsement of the first half of Worm to me. In fact, this sounds like you hated every second of it.

"And frankly given the number of comments that are just people saying "Bait" - I don't think any of y'all have engaged with this in a fair or honest way"

I'm going to reiterate on my previous statement. I like my hero academia. Capeshit is my favorite genre, it probably always will be. They're my favorite genre of story. While I find the themes—or lack thereof—extremely frustrating, I still think of it as fun. I gave it a fair shake. I would probably really enjoy the ending if I didn't have a reading list that was 300 books long.

#worm spoilers #MHA spoilers #*One Punch Man is partially an exception as characters are “never more than their tropes” for the sake of parody.#i don't dislike my hero academia by the way. in fact i rather like it. at least the first three quarters or so #L style contessa should have hit eidolon with a car and been like “look at that the endbringers stopped crazy.”#well it would have actually been crazy considering she had no way to know he was causing them #sorry n0brainjustvibes i never finished that MHA fanfic you recced me #quote text is colored to stop your eyes glazing over at the wall of text #armsmaster is what endeavor could/should have been #like they have a very similar arc. but they differ in that armsmaster's redemption is earned and endeavor's isn't #how so? there's like a reason armsmaster has an epiphany about his previous behavior #endeavor's like “oh the narrative is focusing on me as a protagonist i better be a good guy now!”#the fixing society thing is what ward should have been about but wasn't. but we're not talking about ward #by the way i wish they just killed teacher instead of birdcaging him. ward would have been so much better #^that was a joke #sorry about making the quotes smaller i'm trying to save some space in this tumor of a post somewhere #please don't say “god-level serial killers” by the way. for my sake if nothing else #you know i made the comparison to gotham being a shithole somehow without any thought that the person i am disagreeing with is a batman fan #or at least a batgirl fan

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can-and-wont · 4 months ago

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MHA CHAPTER 428 SPOILERS

I would love to welcome the 15-20 of you to my commentary of the week!

The fact that Iida actually needed to fend the first years off is kind of wild imo. The fact that Bakugo is ducking behind him too it’s kinda silly

I’m with Mineta on this one. Why do so many girls like douchebags? Of course I understand the feminine (or masculine or otheruline) urge to fall for the villain but that’s only if he’s got that pathetic quality about him. But people who are just jerks? I don’t understand that.

AUGH, seeing that they’re class 2A… in print… the heartstrings are being pulled guys it’s really almost over :(

Idk why but the looks on their faces are telling me there’s something else going on and OF COURSE I’m going to jump to the conclusion that it’s about Shirakumo because these guys were the most connected to him and idk I feel like we might get some closure-closure soon because sure we saw him glorp away but we don’t KNOW whether or not he’s actually dead for real. Am I grasping at straws? Most definitely. But I love Shirakumo an unreasonable amount and I want him to live and make it to graduation because Aizawa promised :(

TOKOYAMI!!! Love to see him BUT..

I must know if this whimsical fellow is him or not. I feel that it must be, but the Hanna-Barbera energy he is projecting confounds me. Where is his cloak? Why the Mickey Mouse gloves? Maybe it isn’t him and I’m crazy lmao someone help please

Listen when I read this I had in inexplicable feeling of dread and anticipation. The bus literally only has first years in it. Idk why i was so stressed

I am very much in agreement with Kirishima here. Underclassmen can be scary.

Man toga bent her way more out of shape than I thought. Also I didn’t mention the panel but the kids are allowed to stay at home now and man is that great for the implications of the world I’ve made in my head.

This chapter was very enjoyable for whatever reason! I’ll see you next week <|:0)

#fork’s mha commentary #bnha #mha spoilers #mha #bnha spoilers #bnha tokoyami #mha tokoyami #mha chapter 428 #bnha chapter 428

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diospore · 3 months ago

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MHA 430, no real spoilers to the ending but I'm also discussing my au ideas under the break too so that's why I tagged spoilers and added the bar, because there's a variety of spoilers.

That was fine I guess, could've been worse... Sad no dfo but I kinda gave up on that being good 10 chapters ago. Insert Thanos I'll do it myself gif.

5.5-6/10.

I'm gonna start my analysis + reread on Saturday I think?

Here's thoughts I already have:

- Reduce amount of students in 1-A. I realized that I can't handle 20+ main characters lol. My original idea was 5, but I've got it down to 10 by fusing characters. Izuku, Aoyama, Uraraka, Shoto, and Bakugo remain the same. I'm going to review the fusions and draw them later...

Fusions:

Sero/Kaminari/Kirishima (Reason: I get them mixed up a lot.)

Iida/Momo/Ojiro (Rich kid + I like Ojiro)

Jiro/Tokoyami/Shoji (Characters with a "dark vibe" ((emo lol)))

Mina/Tsu (I'd feel bad having one and not the other)

Koda/Sato (Honestly they're here because they're the ones I think of when I think "they got shoved aside" as well as Ojiro but I like him more.) ((... Also combine their names and you get Soda....))

Most likely to be cut: Ojiro, Sato, Koda, Sero

Cut: Mineta (Obvious reasons), Hagakure (I couldn't think of anything)

I swear there's logic here but I'm unable to explain it better lol. I'm eepy.

- Bakugo will be expelled from UA in the first arc, perhaps that'll be the conclusion of it. Possibly return in a later arc, I'm thinking the vigilante arc? Minor character. Basically a starter antagonist before the stakes ramp up.

(Results in the same amount of students as OFA users! Which I think is a nice parallel.)

- First arc will be about the class bonding since I really wanted more 1-A bonding scenes. Mainly about them helping each other. (I. E. Izuku opening up about being bullied, the class helping Shoto with the Endeavor situation, etc.) Bakugo's role will be getting in the way of this. Minor antagonist.

- LOV shouldn't be introduced until after a bond is established. Sorry Shiggy my beloved, you must wait.

- All for One dies in Kamino equivalent. (Unsure of how to set this up w/o Bakugo, maybe Midoriya's the one kidnapped?) Sorry AFO I love you so so much, but I'm killing you off. You're op as hell and the kill should be All Might's. You can come back and possess people later if you're good.

- DFO will be there as well as reducing the role AFO played in Shigaraki's backstory. Increase the role in Midoriya's life (negative).

- Aizawa will have a bit of a tweak, he'll be less physically violent with the students. (Less scarf grabby, only in extreme circumstances) Also I think having a lasting injury from the Oboro incident would be a nice touch. Give him a House MD vibe with a cane??? God I fucking loved House. Gay and homophobic, what an icon.

- Eventually I want Endeavor to go to prison or face some form of consequence. Maybe death. I was also thinking about him being tricked into helping AFO out of desperation for that number one spot. Bakugo takes his place for redemption arc?

- I don't really want to kill Midnight off... Or Twice... Or like. Any of the LOV. Need to think about that... But I know Twice's death was very important, so I might have to get over it somehow.

Not saying there won't be death, it just has to make more sense to me.

Wrote most of this at 2 am lol so this is probably incoherent. It's not a critique of the series, it's just my idea for the au. Like I get that classes have like 20 people in them. And that characters die. That villains die even if they're children.

I think if I plan this in arcs, I'll have the best chance of finishing it.

#mha leaks #mha manga spoilers #mha au idea #again probably doesn't make sense lol #i guess its less of a rewrite and more of like...#a my hero adjacent series i guess.

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ofmermaidstories · 4 months ago

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I completely agree and think it's unfair that the fandom continues to demand perfection from Hori; especially when 'perfection' can be a loosely coined term depending on what it is each of these whingers want to see before the series ends. I think that with all works of art, meaning (and in this instance, interractions between characters) are interpretted based on the individuals shaped life experiences. I read a post somewhere that perhaps the lack of filler episodes contributes to all this complaining, because we don't get to see the little side stories between such and such characters, or a more indepth delve into certain side characters backstories. But tbh you're damned if you do, you're damned if you dont. I remember how much shit Kishimoto copped for all the fillers, despite how much (arguable) richness and depth it provided for the relationships between characters. Even if it was just an extra silly little story.

Theres no real point to this message, just wanted to chime in with my 2c.

Hope you're having a great weekend 🫶

you’re so right though, because what would make MHA a “perfect” story? i whinge all the time about like, there being no real consequences, or Hori sliding past the emotional beats he sets up—but if there were serious, hurtful consequences (beyond the villains dying), and Hori did hit those beats, MHA on the whole would be a completely different story LMAO. Like—it’s just so fascinating! We don’t get like, “filler” chapters really, where we get to see more of the kids’ relationships with each other—but Hori then like, shoves them into other moments? like random panels. he mixes the kids up, shows them strewn about the dorms and the school in a variety of different groups. Kiri, Bakugou and Iida visiting Shouto in his room, for example, before Big Fight #102. Bakusquad and Dekusquad are fun fandom things, but Hori’s always like… taken great pains to show that Class-A is a clump, that intermingle among themselves. The fandom loves to bear down on Mineta—“mineta minrou is expelled from UA high school” and “shinsou hitoshi replaces mineta minrou” are the two first tags that auto suggest, for mineta, on ao3—but he’s very much apart of the crew!!! Like, I would argue that he seems to consider himself great mates with like, Deku lmao, at least!! I think if anything, Hori has been hamstringed by the weekly nature of the updates. He has so much to shove in, and a lot of stuff gets left out. And while the kids relationships to each other is like, one of the core tenants of MHA, I personally don’t believe Hori is the kind of writer that wants to give them a beach episode, lmao. 🥹 and i agree, i think that throws a lot of fans off!! people seem to really want like, MHA slice-of-life stuff but…. idk, it’s never been a story about that. 💀 it really is a case of damned-if-you-do and damned-if-you-don’t, tho. 💀💀 part of me is like, oh, this ending feels a little rushed… 🥺 but then the other part of me is like boy, pump out that last panel and run. 💀 LMAOOOO. idk idk idk. i really liked 429—this second-last chapter—because i thought it was sweet. 🥺 i have absolutely no guesses for the final chapter—for the end of this story. and tbh i kinda like it that way? it could be good, it could be bad. i personally hope that it leaves me feeling like it’s a “perfect” ending for right now—for wherever we leave Deku and the MHA world. That it gives them both—character and universe—space to breathe, and grow beyond the final panels. Like… leaving a friend’s house after a rowdy lunch, maybe? You’ve got other things to do, some errands, maybe someone else to meet, and your friends have shoo’d you away from the dishes but when you leave you can hear them laughing behind the door, with someone else who’s taken the tea towel to dry ‘em.

#ofmermaidstories-asks #i hope YOU’RE having a great weekend anon 🫵🏽#i had a very nice quiet one 😌

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as someone who only knows MHA by cultural osmosis, what is it about?

all I know about it is the plot up to the Gentleman youtuber and that it's got a mostly boring theme of protecting the status quo, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong

*sighs* ok so basically

Horikoshi. Hes the guy that made MHA. Basically his entire thing is "fuck em superhero comics" (and considering shit like The Boys, i dont blame him actually) and boom. Funny superhero shonen meme was made

Pretty much the entire charachter of mineta is Being A Creepy Pervert. But i see that as stupid and a waste of charachter so i HC that what *we* see is not what *actually happens*

The whole Ochaco Bullshit. Yeah yeah missed yuri and all that but come the fuck on not even the actual main pair is real? Im confused

Deku has this thing where hes buff as fuck but his face is peak ( ◕_◕). And on that note, if hes ever confirmed to be on da spectrum, i will laugh like light yagami

For SOME FUCKING REASON people think yuji jjk was the fraud and that deku was gifted. But the thing is, BOTH OF THEM TRAINED THEIR BALLS OFF. Deku unlocked the extra quirks with training/trauma (it makes less sense the more you think about it dont worriye) and yuji just. Ate the skill tree in hopes *something* happens (and it did ig??? This is MHA tho not JJK)

The actual plot is normal, kids with powers go to superhero high school to learn how to not explode at random, villains (literally called Villains even in fUCKIN G italian) attack, the kids go live in the school, bada bing bada boom now theres an actual war and the main villain is this shithead called shigaraki who feels more cheaty than my literal self insert oc (and thats sAYING S O M E T H Ï N Ģ)

Everyone in the fandom loves their gay content. Theres a lot of himejoshis and yaoi manufacturers and its... cool ig??? Idk man none of the charachters is actually 18

Yes the death of toga is stupid. Come on man we could have had Exactly One Yuri in tandem with the ship but NOOOOOOO

Yeah look i dont rember much of MHA but the Mentlegen Arc is the last of your problems. Theres an actual child who was experimented on and for some reason mineta is like "we will date when youre older" instead of the objectively funnier option where he almost kills aizawa over bringing a toddler instead of hot girls as he asked. Because thats a fuckin' child.

Its EXTREMELY annoying knowing a fandom more than its author but MHA is just one of em for me.

#Alex's Answering Machine #welcome to the multiverse #togachako #should have happened

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doodlegirl1998 · 1 year ago

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We talked about how heroes such as Mirko get a free pass bc she is hot. Either in universe or in fandom

But...and the villains?

Hear me out: Hori does make everyone (sans Mineta) attractive in some level. Shig did start as a gremlin but he wasny ugly. Dabi has his charm(its insanity. He is insane) and Toga is not ugly. Ok...why we dont see people in universe giving some excuses for hot villains?

Maybe reading this you may be confused but look at real life: killers do have fans(for some reason) and the handsome he is, more fans to join.

But in MHA...the pretty privilige os exclusively for heroes.

Makes you wonder...

Hi @mikeellee 👋,

Pretty privilege is a thing in general with this fandom and why Mineta gets so trashed.

Aside from that in universe, I bet you they have fans like that too (this is the same universe that Stain has cosplayers) so they're most likely there but we aren't being shown them.

But I also believe there's a lesser amount of them because 'destroy all' won't really work out in the civilians favor, will it?

#mha critical #bnha critical

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that-nerd-who-writes-fanfiction · 10 months ago

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Hello, random ask, why do you think that a pretty character with bad personality is famous in the fandom (epsecially anime/manga)? Yes, one of them (that I mean) is Gojo Satoru from JJK. Do you watch or read the series?

So 4 months ago, I'm not into the fandom, but my friend made me watch it with them, so I binge watch s1, the movie, then s2, and now I'm one of Gojo fan and SatoSugu shipper (even if I'm late)... Sorry for the rambling, feel free to just ignore my silly ask.

I'm also into Merlin BBC kinda late, just in 2022, when I first watch it. At first I thought it will be hard to find Merlin fan blog (because the show ends in 2012 or 2013), how wrong I was. Thanks to you @that-nerd-who-writes-fanfiction I can be more understanding of their characters, especially Merlin and Arthur's dynamics. Thanks for sharing your posts.....

So I haven’t seen much of jjk, I watched the first few episodes while I was very medicated in hospital last year (I’m okay) so I don’t remember much of it. I need to rewatch it at some point, from what o do remember it was pretty good.

As for the character archetype, I’m honestly not sure. Usually the characters tend to have more than just the bad personally, think Denki in MHA and Mineta, Mineta is just there for the “comedy” of being a perv where Denki doesn’t take it too far, backs off when told (when he asked Uraraka out and accepted her rejection) and has more than just that to his character, and Gojo was a mentor or something, wasn’t he? I can’t remember enough to comment on him.

But anyway, that’s not always the case, I can’t think of any examples off the top of my head while I’m on Merlin brainrot but I know there are some. SAO, SOTE and possibly Beastars (I’ve only heard from friends on that one) probably have some interesting characters that have varying levels of morality and reasons. Other times, they’ve got a tragic backstory that people can relate to, MHA villains or harlequin, also assassination classroom characters for example.

Personally, I’ll overlook a bad character aspect if it’s only like 10-20% of the personality, any more than that and I can’t get myself to like them, but that’s just me and it’s different for everyone based on their own opinions and a bunch of other things. I don’t pretend to understand people, I really don’t.

My thing with character analysis is that in media, I can see all aspects of the character. I can go back and analyse parts and sit watching situations for as long as I need to work out whatever I want to work out. In real life, or when it comes to real people rather, I’m lucky to get anything about a person from the types of interactions you get in fandom spaces so I can’t really speak for other peoples opinions on characters or why they have them.

I’ve seen people who feel the same about Morgause and Morgana despite them having entirely different personalities and reasons for their varying levels of dubious morality, I’ve seen people heavily stan Meliodas from seven deadly sins and say he’s “just flirting” while others will not like that part of his personality but like him overall.

Mostly, I’ll just live and let live. As long as discussions aren’t hostile and everything is kept respectful, different opinions than my own are what keep fandom spaces (and conversations in general) interesting so I’m always interested to hear what people think.

And as for coming into Merlin late, welcome, happy to have you here. I only started watching 2020, rewatched a few (understatement of the decade) times since, and joined the fandom mid to late last year but the fandom is still going strong. It’s definitely one of my favourite fandoms, so I’m glad it’s growing.

#ask me anything #bbc merlin #jjk #seraph of the end #assassination classroom #sword art online #morgana #seven deadly sins #i’m bad at tagging #mha denki #my hero acedamia #long post #ramblings #mha villains #arthur pendragon #merlin #I’m sure I’m forgetting a few tags here but I’m tired so it’s fine

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avis-fictional-world · 2 years ago

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Imagine this…

MHA is in its final chapter…

Tomura doesn’t get a redemption arc or moment.

Deku’s dad is never revealed. Dad for One is a lie.

The second one for all user’s name is never revealed.

AFO doesn’t develop into a more complicated villain.

We never see Deku as the number one hero.

Mirko will never reach top 3 in the hero rankings ( even though she deserves it let’s be real).

Mineta gets a girlfriend.

#what’s the worst thing you can think of for this series 😭#please let me know #boku no hero academia #bnha #shigaraki tomura #bnha spoilers #my hero academia #all for one #afo #bakugou katsuki #deku midoriya #izuku mydoria #shimura tenko #mirko mha #pro hero mirko

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truebluefantasy · 3 months ago

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Heyyy, I haven't been on social media because of work and I've been binge watching MHA trying to keep up! I don't want anymore spoilers. Luckily I don't follow many who are really into it. :'''''''3 Yaoyorozu, Ojiro, Bakugo, and Midnight are favs. I also like Tsu, and Jiro. (For Jiro it's more like you can't have Yaoyorozu without her Jiro if that makes sense?) I'm on season 5. AHHHHHH OTPs: Yaoyorozu x Jiro x Ojiro Yaoyorozu x Jiro Yaoyorozu x Bakugo More ships I like: Bakugo x Kirishima / Kirishima x Bakugo Midnight x Mt. Lady Bakugo x Ochaco (There's so much good fanart of them???) Tsu x Ochaco Deku's Mom x Bakugo's Mom Midnight x me

Deku x Ochaco is guaranteed imo but I see why my friend said that Ochaco's development has stalled. I'd be pretty alright with Denki x Jiro being canon, but I still want Yaoyorozu x Jiro?! :''''3 Midnight deserves better. I still dislike Endeavor. Todoroki needs a hug. Aizawa is the most relatable sleepy nightowl introverted cat loving adult in the entire MHA. Present Mic is likable but if he were real I'd probably hate him and his Quirk. Shigaraki sounds creepier in the dub like holy heck! I love how Gentle Criminal and La Brava were a throwback to the silly comic book villains... but the discrepancy between how they look and their actual ages has me shaking in my boots. pROTECT eRI!!1! I'm still mad that in S5 Episode 1 Jiro tells Koda to be quiet LIKE HE DOESN'T TALK AT ALL YOU KNOW THAT JIRO AND YET YOU TELL HIM TO BE QUIET WHYYYYY I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO LISTEN DURING A CRISIS AS RECON BUT STILL KODA DESERVES BETTER AND HE'S WONDERING WHY HE EVEN BOTHERS TALKING That's a vent from the most recent episode I watched. I want to see what Recovery Girl and Gran Torino looked like when they were young, and I headcanon that they banged. I can see why people like Himiko. I do like her, Dabi, and Twice out of all the villains. I like the idea of Himiko being reformed and shipped with Ochaco or also with Tsu as an OT3. My mouth literally hung open and I was quietly screaming during the Forest Training Camp!! Mineta... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... You know what... The USJ Arc made me think that for a ship... Tsu could make him behave. Maybe. But Tsu deserves better lmao! XD I still laugh at how a mistranslation led to Mineta becoming an unwanted bisexual icon! Overall when I finish MHA I'll still ignore some canon like I do with every shonen long term anime/manga. I do like rooting for Deku as a main character... and I like the thrill and feeling the feels. I also like the more slice-of-life moments where you get to see the class getting along with each other... You know it was bad enough with just the Konoha 12 for Naruto... so a class with 20 students? There's unfortunately no way everyone will get a mini-arc if that. I suffer as an Ojiro fan... They need to make a proper figure of Ojiro... and Midnight! I don't want Funko Pops! :''3

Byyyyye, going off social media again!

#MHA #trueblue thoughts

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mayfay · 7 months ago

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Spoiler Warning for My Hero Academia and the spinoff series Vigilantes. Though if you got this far in the post you’re already fine with it

The only Truely sentient quirk I can think of is OFA and Dark Shadow but for this I’m also gonna pull in Twice’s clones and Nedzu.

Japan as seen in MHA is SO full of prejudice (even taking into account our skewed POV). You got the garbage that was Aldera that seemed to show how at least some quirkless are treated, the Meta Liberation Army, Anti-mutant sentiment (particularly in rural areas), Overhauls weirdness (though that seems more localized and tied to his quirk drawback it’s worth mentioning), hero worship (as seen with Endeavors quick forgiveness, even after his abuse came out), sexism (seen in Minetas existence and the differences between male and female hero outfits, roles in combat, and gender ratio in the police and hero industry), villainous quirks (seen in Toga and Shinso), and above all Might Makes Right (as seen all throughout the show). So this is not a world that is unwilling ignore a few rights.

I really Truely believe that sentient or not, quirks and quirk byproducts are not considered to be people, which is seen somewhat in Dark Shadow but far more notably in Twice and Nomus.

Twice is able to make clones, and these things are 100% sentient, to the point his whole character arc is based on the fear that he’s just a clone of his original. This is a known thing. The clones act like their own people and have personalities based on their template, something figured out almost immediately. And what do the hero’s do once they realize these are made from quirks instead of original born people? Kill them without hesitation. Aizawa first tries to catch one before it reveals itself as a copy so Twice can make another. Later Vlad manages to subdue and capture another and instead of leaving the completely incapacitated clone Aizawa stomps it to death in front of his coworker and students, with just a simple mention that it’s a clone and everyone moves on to threat assessment. HE WAS WILLING TO CAPTURE BEFORE. This man’s entire character was based on the idea of someone unflinchingly rational, and he didn’t see a problem with murder as long as it’s a quirk. This gets even more extreme later on when Twice figures out Sad Man’s Parade (cloning himself and clones making more clones). He’s making THOUSANDS of clones now. And they ALL display intelligence, personality, and emotions. These are people. And they’re slaughtered in the thousands by hero’s, villains, and indirectly by Twice himself. See, Twice NEVER cloned himself oit of fear of uprising and cause he might not be the original, after some panic and finding out he was? Immediately fine making more. More than fine actually, Estatic. He mass produces more of himself with the express purpose of overwhelming with sheer numbers. Hundreds, possibly thousands of lives thrown as kindling cause he was the original and they weren’t. And it’s not like they were reliant on him, Twice has already had a clone uprising before and never seemed worried about any of them going to far away from him, they just didn’t leave cause why would they? They were just clones.

While Twice was by far the most extreme example, Nomu are in a similar boat. They’re people. Mutated, brain dead, monstrous people, but still people. But they’re still killed like pests. Now this one can get a pass cause the only real deaths we see are thanks to Stain (a known killer) and Endeavor (who was protecting a whole city). Still, there was no hesitation there. Even with the most dangerous villains the country had seen, they were still allowed to live. Stain, AFO, Muscular, Overhaul, they were all allowed to to live even when they threatened the security of the nation. Now once again they get a bit of leeway here since the original Nomu was never killed, but after we got confirmation it was a result of quirks and drugs it was never mentioned again and future Nomu were treated as killable rather than villains.

Next up is OFA which is 100% a sentient quirk, 6 times over. This one’s not super relevant cause the wider world never comments on it, but in the recent final showdown the vestiges Are treated as expendable to get a hit off on Shigaraki. Not a solid example but as one of the few sentient quirks in the show it needs to be brought up.

Nedzu is worth bringing up as well here. He doesn’t have a sentient quirk per se but he does have sentience granted by a quirk, granting him a similar status. From what we’re shown he doesn’t seem to face any immediate challenges to his personhood, but his backstory is suggested to involve heavy experimentation, possible torture, and, while I can’t remember if it was canon or canon, a long battle for recognized sentience. We also see sentient quirked animals treated similarly to Twice’s clones in the spinoff Vigilante series with 2 of their main antagonists being a sentient bee/wasp hive and a lab creation of AFO. While the lab creation isn’t relavent here seeing as its status as a creation is never revealed to the larger cast, it is worth mentioning it’s one of the few characters in both series to die. The insect is in a similar boat with the larger public not knowing its status but it is still hunted down and killed by our protagonists who are very big on the whole “morally good hero” thing (minus one but they have backstory and the others are still all for murder as long as it’s a big with thoughts and feelings and not a person).

Next quirk is Dark Shadow, which is the Prime Example of a sentient quirk. It’s where we got the name, the idea, everything. If we want an idea of how sentient quirks are treated in everyday life that’s our bird. So how it our favorite little crow treated? Not Well™️. Dark Shadow Doesn’t have friends. Tokoyami has friends. Dark Shadow doesn’t do well in the sports festival. Tokoyami overrelied on HIS quirk but did well in the festival. Tsuyu, Tokoyami, and Dark Shadow don’t finish their test. Tsuyu and Tokoyami do. The only person I can remember Ever acknowledging Dark Shadow was Tokoyami himself, and even then just as an extension of himself. A part that he needs to control and make use of. So day to day quirks aren’t really seen as their own person, just a part of their original (the same is seen to a lesser degree with Twice since his clones are only seen as “Twices clones” not “clones from Twice”)

So yeah, that’s the basic info we can get from canon with minimal extrapolation, but it’s easy to build off of that. Quirks and quirk byproducts aren’t people and as such don’t have the rights of such, even compared to the likes of AFO.

Sorry for the ramble and any misinformation, it’s been a hot second since I reread the manga and I didn’t organize or plan this out ahead of time.

My WIP fairy hates me. But like... in that homoerotic Nemesis sorta way, I swear.

Cease an desist, woman! (I scream into the void, knowing damn well she, being my own brain, SHAN'T.)

Cause NOW? Now I CAN NOT stop Pondering, with a Capitol P, the life of a Sentient Quirk. The trials and tribulations. The indignities and sufferings. Countless micro-aggression and out right dismissal of sentience. The reduction to the EXTENSION of another.

You are not a person.

You are JUST a Quirk.

An organ that "thinks" itself separate, in the way knees spasm when struck just so. The child you are attached to just needs to get better CONTROL of you. Your words and actions are actually THEIRS. You are simultaneously an unruly animal and strange adult, not allowed near other peoples children.

Why are you trying to follow this four year old into their school? Why are you SITTING out side a pre-school? Are you stalking that child?

You are a grown adult. Connected to a random Japanese child.

The child is expected to "control" you.

Punished if they do not.

No one is listen to EITHER of you, as you try to explain the situation. The child is upset, scared, and does not have the emotional maturity to understand why you are not to blame. All they can understand is that you appeared and everything became stressful and "bad". They started getting punished. Have to share their room now.

Do you even have rights? If you get hurt, get MAIMED, what will happen to you? Can you hold a job? Own land? Open a bank account? Fuck it! Can you have a RELATIONSHIP?

If you went out RIGHT NOW and punched a purse thief, would the FOUR YEAR OLD be arrested?

If the kid grows up, becomes a hero, and you do secretarial work... does his license cover you? If YOU wanted to become a Hero, would he be your hero partner? Could he technically sit in a corner and let you work?

If no one could TELL, over an internet connection, then surely that should prove SOMETHING? Right?

And! The question NO ONE ever seems to ask!

Could..... could you LEAVE? Do people have the right to force you back? If you don't WANT to be some kid's Quirk? You're sentient. If, unlike Dark Shadow, you are not PHYSICALLY connected, but tethered by distance?

Could. You. Leave?

Just "Allright, I'm out. The way you're all treating me is unacceptable. See ya never." And walk out the door? You'd be able to gain distance as the kid grew older. As long as you hid? You be homeless, without papers, but free.

A sentient Quirk means free will. Means you don't HAVE to do shit. It's like being born with a twin, not a slave. And that Twin does NOT have to put up with your bullshit. YOU are the one asking THEM to work with you, after all.

This? Of course, ALSO just ABSOLUTELY BEGS the question? What if that four year old grew up to be a BASTARD? Just... NO self reflection or empathy. Everything is everyone else's fault, always. And they want a NEW Quirk. One that won't question them.

So they sell theirs, buy a new one. Probably die off screen trying to throw it around.

What happens to you THEN? Pain, obviously. Like... massive, massive amounts of pain. You ARE a Quirk. You're being ripped out by your metaphorical roots. By the NERVE ENDINGS. But? Do you... for lack of a better word, "reset"?

Are you back infront of "your" person? Or do you stay, safely, where you are? Both would be fascinating, honestly. Because I imagine All for One? Does NOT get sentient quirks often. If at all.

They'd sooner kill themselves.

After all, if your choice is "kill yourself and your beloved twin" or "be ripped apart and watch them die horribly, then be used to go against everything you both stood for"? You weep and promise to make it fast.

Then you make it fast.

It's... really annoying, I'd imagine, for All for One. It's not necessarily that he WANTS a sentient Quirk. But they are INTERESTING. And he likes interesting.

He also likes owning things that can't leave. Ever.

So of course he'll poke and prod at the Quirk. It will inevitably be a nightmare, either way. Because EVERY Sentient Quirk has some degree of communication aspect to it. Just because the original holder never figured it out, doesn't mean HE can't.

And while your range may now be much, MUCH bigger? Because the fucker is strong as hell? How useful is that... if he can talk to you when ever HE feels like it? Day or night. 24/7.

And that's assuming you don't reset. God help you if you reset. Because THEN your STANDING infront of, most likely, pre-face-smash All for One. Who's looking at you like he just won a Mildly Interesting Prize and you would PREFER HE NOT. But what are you gonna do?

Walk out again?

You think THAT'S an option here?!

I mean... you can and do TRY. But, obviously not. So like? Fuck ™.

THEN the question becomes? Would YOU go to Tarturaus. Are you a hostage? Or an accomplice? You have the same level of power and authority as a cat, deliberately knocking pages of tables and cups to the floor, but... like? Oooooh~ oh yeah! THATS gonna slow him down! His empire crumbles beneath the sheer MIGHT of your petty inconveniences!

*trips the doctor again*

Fffffuck you.

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st4r-c0d3 · 4 years ago

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I just want everyone to know that I'm going to be practicing my writing skills so I can write fanfics :D

FOR THE SOLE GODDAMN PURPOSE OF MAKING A SERIES WHERE MINETA IS THE MAIN CHARACTER AND HE STRUGGLES WITH INTERNALIZED HOMOPHOBIA BUT ENDS UP IN A REALLY HEALTHY AND STABLE RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OC

AND I WANT EVERYONE TO FUCKING KNOW THAT I AM A FIRM BELIEVER THATE 1) MINETA DESERVES LOVE AND 2) HE'S GAY BUT JUST HAS SOOOOOO MUCH INTERNALIZED HOMOPHOBIA THAT'S ITS PAINFUL TO SEE ALL OF HIS PEERS GET TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY AREN'T PAINFULLY HELD BACK FROM BEING WHO THEY ARE LIKE HE IS

THAT IS THE GODDAMN FUCKING POST

#i hate everyone who hates mineta and you can put that on my tombstone #i love him so goddamn much and he deserves to be happy like wtf #perv or not #GAY or not #i love him with my entire heart and i wish other people did too #hes so villainized in so many fanfics i read that he's in #like come on yall he's not a goddamn murderer #y'all like literal murderers more than y'all like mineta #dabi straight up wants to kill his siblings yet everyone still simps over him #im not excusing mineta's actions at all i just think its stupid asf how people think being a perv is worse than being a straight up murdere #anyone who tries to fight me about it sucks bc ive been sexually harassed multiple times and i would prefer that than watching someone kill #like wtf #mha #bnha #this turned into a rant real fast and honestly im kinda proud of that

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nobodyfamousposts · 3 years ago

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What’s your opinion on MHA? Personally... well the plot is interesting, but it’s... draining. It's overall painful to read because of the whole Good or Evil mentality and... all of that conplexity and karma escaping characters are... urgh. Is it bad that I only like Deku? Albeit still view him as generic.

I'm disappointed that we're not getting much of the "Academia" part of "My Hero Academia". The plots and whole thing with the League of Villains and One for All/All for One are intriguing, don't get me wrong. But it jumped from "just got into the high school of my dreams" to "first match against my childhood rival" to "sports festival where you're supposed to show off your quirk and skills" with no real training or transition between them. I guess it's implied that they do, but we don't actually see the kids learning anything.

I suppose it makes sense that to get into this school in the first place, they need to already be experienced with their quirks so it wasn't like I expected the hands-on training where they learn about their quirks and what they can do, but...what about everything else? Laws and rules of the hero system? Fighting techniques and self defense with and without quirk use? How to cover for weaknesses? How to use support items? Identifying criminals or the various types of crimes and how to handle them? Quirk analysis when dealing with unknown enemies? History of hero society and past tragedies and how they were handled? Basic first aid?

We see a lot of plots, which is great, but not so much on how they're learning and improving. Just that they are.

That aside, as far as characters go: Deku's cool but getting OFA cheapened his character, the girls need more love and relevance besides being side pieces, Bakugo is still an asshole and deserved a major call out at multiple points throughout the series that the lack of such only makes it clear he's the creator's pet, and Mineta was a mistake.

#bnha

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snarksalon · 2 months ago

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So re the oppressor oppressed point- I think that’s a bit of a stretch with consideration to the context in which Tsuyu makes those comments. I don’t think those things can be equated at all because Tsuyu’s point is that heroes should only exercise their powers with authorisation. I also think it’s hard to frame heroes as an oppressed class and villains as oppressors especially as heroes operate effectively as a police force. In the narrative villains are shown to become villains because of systemic reasons (I.e having “bad” quirks, poor social systems, abuse etc). Instead Tsuyu is saying that they must not act with impunity, which is a different point about the limitations of force. If anything, Tsuyu advising other characters not to immediately act as vigilantes is done to PREVENT the abuse of power, the point being that villains abuse power with little consideration for the consequence.

Regarding the point of mutant discrimination, this is a racism allegory. I can’t recall the Shoji comments you are referencing so please do link because I would like to analyse them. Even in the context of a racism allegory this is a real perspective that some members of oppressed groups agree with (as a POC I have seen this discourse directly). Demonstrating that a range of opinion exists is good and makes the story more complex. I will have to refrain on commenting further because I honestly can’t remember that scene but would be happy to engage here.

Regarding the “Hori cant write women point” I don’t think he can . I think Tsuyu and Ochacho have potential but ultimately are poorly executed and auxiliary to the plot. Ochacho’s motivation being retconned to retroactively develop her character demonstrates that Hori struggles. The women in the story are heavily sexualised, their plot lines are pushed to the periphery of the story and they really aren’t developed at all compared to their main counterparts. I think a lot of people like the girls in MHA because they compare them to earlier shonen women like Sakura for example. I am not a huge Naruto fan, but I recently read a good defence of Sakura which pointed to several defining character moments which demonstrated Sakura’s resolve. Hori struggles to depict the internal worlds of women in realistic ways. Sexual assault is played as a joke FREQUENTLY, and the women are never angered by it. Men in the story (despite wanting to be heroes) never seem to care. The scene during the USJ arc where Mineta gropes Tsu is crazy because Midoriya says NOTHING despite wanting to be a hero.

I think that people give Hori a pass because the women in MHA have attractive character designs and are feminine/agreeable. Of course a few of them have decent moments but overall- I think the women of Mha Lack agency.

Also there is something to be said about how Hori makes a lot of his female characters lose limbs/suffer horrible fates. Miruko loses like all of her limbs, Jirou loses an ear, Neijire gets charred (her introduction in the manga includes a beauty pageant). Sure some of the male characters are scarred, but the things which happen to the women in the series are at times incredibly questionable.

In Defence of Tsuyu....

The Hospital scene is, I think, one of the most misinterpreted scenes in the series and it fuelled a lot of Tsuyu hate. The scene is written clumsily, but the underlying point that Tsuyu is making isn't naive. Tsuyu is commenting on the separation between law and morality and demonstrating that the two in many circumstances may not overlap.

In Hero Society, both heroes and Villains exert force over the general population. The distinction is that Heroes are authorised to do so by law and submit themselves to a regime of laws that designate when they are permitted to exercise their powers. Heroes effectively operate in a similar vein to cops, soldiers, et cetera. In Hero Society, Heroes form a branch of the criminal justice system, which is important to note. Restrictions on Cops, Lawyers and Judges exist to ensure that the rule of law is respected and maintained. Often, nebulous moral questions arise. Take for example a police officer who decides to obtain evidence illegally due to their own belief in the guilt of a defendant. Even if the defendant was guilty, the police officer has exercised substantial impropriety and interfered with the defendant's opportunity to receive a fair trial.

There are also instances where a breach of a legal rule is indicative of criminal conduct. Many might claim that it is morally correct for a parent to lie on the stand to prevent their child from being convicted as parents generally have a duty to protect their children. This does not negate that the conduct is criminal and misleads the court. Obviously, there is substantial nuance here, but the point is that Tsuyu is highlighting the fact that a disparity exists between moral and legal obligations.

In Hero Society, Villains disregard the law. Of course, laws exist on spectrums and Jaywalking cannot be equated to Robbery (I do agree that Tsuyu is making a massive false equivalence in the panel). I think Tsuyu saying this post Stain Arc, is a realistic reflection of how she would feel following Stain's ideology becoming widespread. The Stain arc, demonstrates that some heroes are corrupt and directly calls into question the commitments of Heroes to moral good. Tsuyu makes this statement at a time when public scrutiny against Heroes is ESPECIALLY high, and where the boundary between Heroes and Villains is being contested. Later in the story Tsuyu's position on the matter changes, but this perspective was not an unreasonable or ill-conceived conceptualisation of the distinction between Heroes and Villains.

It is also reasonable that Tsuyu advises against taking action. One failure of the Kamino arc is the lack of consequences. Yes, All Might loses his powers but I think letting all of those who go to rescue Bakugo get away unscathed seriously lowered the stakes of the story. Class 1-A are first-year students and are relatively untrained. Even if they are being evasive, they should struggle against the leadership of the League of Villains. Out of all of Hori's writing failures, Kamino has always stuck with me. The rescue group put on objectively terrible disguises and Bakugo manages to hold his own quite successfully.

It is easier to critique Tsuyu's words because of a lack of consequence. If a member of the team had died or been seriously injured, no one would have taken issue with her objections. I think Kamino was a missed opportunity to raise the stakes in the Manga and to build upon the ideas raised in Stain's Arc. This is why Tsuyu's words fall flat, and why her subsequent rant makes little sense.

This scene feels futile and pointless because there are NO consequences for their breach of the law. There isn't even a close call. Hori could have directly linked All Mights Demise to the rescue team messing up or being in the wrong place at the wrong time or generally being inexperienced. OBVIOUSLY, Tsuyu makes an incorrect equivalence but it is something which contains an interesting point and is completely mismanaged by Hori.

Tsuyu isn't wrong to criticise a decision made by her classmates, it is a decision that is reckless and could have endangered others. The rescue team knew nothing of the pro-heroes strategy to recover Bakugo and could have jeopardised that mission entirely. She also isn't wrong for reminding them that as Professional Heroes they are obliged to follow the law and may only use their powers when authorised. Though her delivery is blunt, and the equivalence is clunky (I blame Hori's writing here), she is making apt commentary on the limits of power.

#mha analysis #anti mha #tsuyu #horikoshi critical #but i had to get this off my chest

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