#men's rights

[ultramaga]

Bullshit.

The only thing we have ever said IS STOP FUCKING SABOTAGING OUR MEETINGS.

But you can't do that, because misandry defines you.

Feminism is dying, and still they endlessly bitch about us having men's sheds or trying to have taxes spent on us in some proportionate way, but no, Feminists would rather die if it also means hurting men and boys in the process.

It's a rancid hate movement, and it will not be mourned.

Some men expecting women/feminists to be the ones to advocate for "men's mental health" is so crazy to me because THEY'RE the reason mens' mental health is so awful😭 men are literally each others worst enemies yet for some reason we have to be the ones to advocate for them

[radykalny-feminizm]

I love to see the general public finally waking tf up

Guess what group has been talking about all these things for years and was demonized, shamed and threatend for it 🤔

[hard--headed--woman]

if you sincerely believe that men are oppressed or hated in this society because they're men (no, i'm not saying men of color or gay and bi men aren't oppressed, nice try dick havers fandom) you're delusional, you've spent too much time on tumblr and you've had your brain rotted by MRA and incel rhetoric.

[tumbler-polls]

[geminni5]

[abearinthewoods]

A comment of mine from r/curatedtumblr:

Feminism/feminist means multiple things. one is a synonym for WRA, a descriptor. (like MRA, is just an advocate for men's rights, its a descriptor). another is a body of academic work (and the people in it), and a 3rd is an ideological identity (more along the lines of radfem and 4b and the others i don't know or understand).

There is nothing wrong with a discussion on how the carelessness of the 2nd is stoking the fires of the 3rd and in some cases inadvertently introducing misandry into the 1st.

When we assign words with negative connotations to the male gender, specifically words that by their construction direct the negative connotation at the man/male gender: (mansplain, manchild, manspread, toxic masculinity(when directed at behavior instead of expectation), patriarchy(to a much lesser degree)) could we maybe be creating or reinforcing any negative gender stereotypes that might play a part in turning turn group 1 into the group 3?

When we push the concept of male privilege, are we not giving people the tools to excuse their bad behavior towards men to other people, who may be in the first camp (as most people who believe in gender equality are) and not as knowledgeable to see past it?

When we blame men's issues on the patriarchy are we subconsciously implying feminism, the force against the patriarchy, can not perpetrate men's issues? Could this not be creating a barrier in self reflection?

When we use a word tied to a lack of sexual conquests to attack men, are we not reinforcing the idea that one's value as a man is tied to their sexual conquests? (aka: patriarchal notions of toxic masculinity)

When we talk about strong role models for girls under the framework of improving girls sense of worth (viewing them as human beings), but strong role models for boys under the framework of improving how boys behave to make them more useful/respectful towards women and girls (viewing them as human doings)…. Are we not reinforcing the notion of viewing one with empathy more over the other? or viewing the other with a highen sense of suspicion (Secondary to that, thought experiment: how much traction do you think a role model for girls would get among young girls if they were consistently praised by the adults for how respectful they are towards men?)

And this still doesn't even touch what i think is the biggest issue. Criticizing feminism is seen as misogynistic, even when its not, so it not only becomes a useful shield, keeping the misandry from being addressed, the victim of the misandry gets re-victimized when they get accused of being what they were hurt by.

Somebody who has started to notice the sometimes subtle and easy to miss misandry in how a lot of feminist arguments end up being exercised in practice will only start to see more and more.

Its a eye opening experience that gets frustrating because then nobody believes you. its either a standalone antidote, which invalidates the person's experiences being subjected to it or seeing it as an attitude or if you try to point out the trends its a bad faith mra narrative.

As for radfems, I don't care about them, i see them on tumblr, they don't rep feminism to me. r/twoxc does on the other hand and the misandry in there is palatable and feminist arguments around privilege and oppression are used to excuse it, including by reddit admins when its reported.

I'm not even talking about the women drinking from a coffee mug of white male tears, i'm talking about the countless women and men and publications that were excusing it and poking fun at the men who expressed their emotional discomfort with it.

How would you prefer somebody talk about this? It has to be talked about. This is a mens issue that needs addressing.

When men's DV shelters open up, who is protesting them? Suing them for being gender exclusionary? bankrupting the org, driving the founder to suicide, then opening up a women's only DV shelter after buying it for cheap on auction?

When the feminist ex-director of NoW holds a talk on male suicide, who are the people protesting it and yelling misandry slurs into the face of the men who had multiple friends commit suicide and were hoping to find some answers?

Let me guess? "Not all men feminists?"

Sure, as a mra who is a fan of bell hooks, i can agree; but could we please not deny or attack the lived experiences of men who have seen that side of feminism because they don't perfectly express their frustrations in the correct way.

[aikoiya]

I wanna see more stories of women defending men from false allegations.

More women hearing other women complaining about a man not associating with them in work, she defends him saying he literally did nothing & calling those other women spoiled & attention seekers & sexually deviant.

I wanna see more women being good & decent with good morals, standing up for the men around them even if they get nothing out of it because it's the right thing to do.

Because for years, women have been telling men, "don't flirt with me," "don't talk to me," "don't look at me." Then, when men totally cut them off, these same women whine & complain that men don't associate with them beyond professionally, saying it creates a "hostile work environment?"

Like, he literally did nothing!! How is that hostile in any form or fashion!?

We need more good, upright, sensible women with good ethics out there defending innocent men who just wanna go about their lives.

Rad Feminism has utterly destroyed dating & that's making the lives of women who actually want to be wives & mothers, in particular, much much more difficult because men just don't want to take the risk of finding the right girl anymore!

Let's be realistic ladies! We need men & they need us! So, get back to treating the good men like the fucking kings that they are!

Did you know that it's actually a felony if a man doesn't register for the selective service? For them to have the right to vote, they have to be subject to the draft.

We get to enjoy the right to vote just for being here, but men don't! How is that fair!?

Why don't rad feminists clamour for that??

If you really wanted equality, demand that we too should be required to register for selective service!

As for male rapists not being jailed for long enough, you are absolutely right!

They should suffer longer jail time.

And so should female rapists!

At least male rapists actually get jail time. A girl recently raped a 13 year old boy & is now having his baby, but she gets to walk free, no jail time at all! Not only that, but she gets to keep the baby!

And, guess what? It's looking like the kid might end up having to pay child support anyway despite being a boy & a victim of rape.

Yes, we are absolutely the oppressed party here!

[theexodvs]

Do MRAs who believe sexual assault and false accusations of sexual assault should be punished equally also support the death penalty or life sentences for false accusations of murder?

[rf-times]

“Men are loved for what they do, women are loved for what they are” “Men are never loved unconditionally” is the most absolutely insane reversal of all time. Women are so dehumanised to the point where the objective fact that most men only value women for our servitude and appearance is seen as “women being valued just for existing”. Men’s achievements are built only on the exploitation of women and you should look into how many men leave their wives when she gets cancer if you want to see how much men ‘love women for just existing��.

[thal-creates]

Watched zootopia woth my nephew recently

I know its a kids movie and there is some racial allegories there but.

This did not feel like it was about race. This felt very close to what men experience. To what men are frustrated by every time they see the popular rhetoric.

"Oh so there's a them now"

[siryouarebeingmocked]

One of my exes sent the police to me under the claim that I hit her. All it took was an allegation and they showed up so gung-ho about arresting me they didn't even want to listen. It was just "You're under arrest." 

We'd been broken up for over a month, there were no bruises, no evidence of any violence whatsoever. I hadn't seen her, talked to her, answered any of her calls, nor replied to any of her increasingly unhinged texts. 

Anyway after about a half hour of me insisting that all they had to do was look at my phone and this will all make sense, they FINALLY agreed. After reading the very lengthy series of text messages where she clearly stated multiple times if I didn't take her back she was going to get me arrested for hitting her, or rape, or molesting her younger sister, etc. they finally realized what they were dealing with and took the cuffs off and issued a half-assed apology and an explanation that 99% of the time the allegations are true.

I responded with "But are they, though?" and based on his expression I think he had an oh-shit moment of clarity where he realized "How many innocent men have I arrested..."

I know Youtube comment stories are even less credible than Reddit stories, but I’m sharing this one anyway.

[the-healing-mindset]

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[1mmoralcascad3]

i dream of the day MRAs and feminists join forces against the real enemy whoever is behind Mr Beast

[entity56]

hey guys. guess what. hating men is not only gonna help anybody but it will actually also hurt you especially if you hate men due to trauma. misandry will cause you to remain ever hypervigilant. you will never come out of that trauma until you realize that the man/men that hurt you didn't do it because they're men but bc they're terrible people who just so happen to have a dick