#mandalorian s2 watch

[yukipri]

I saw somewhere someone says it wasn't the Jedi fault what happened at Galidraan, they were there to arrest and investigate, not to kill, and it was the mando who attack first. Is that true ? I didn't read it

Ahh fandom misunderstandings about Galidraan continue.

Understandable, given it's from a relatively obscure base media but the event comes up a lot in fan works. I'll do my best to break it down.

All you need to know about the Massacre on Galidraan

The following info is all from the Legends comic Jango Fett: Open Seasons, specifically focussing on the 3rd installment, Winter. Here's a photo of my physical copy I have open as I type this, so you know I'm not pulling this info out of my ass.

First, some crucial facts:

1: Galidraan was not a Mandos vs Jedi conflict.

It may appear that way at first glance, and likely seemed that way to many outsiders across the Galaxy who only read about the massacre in a heavily censored news article. But while the battle was the True Mandalorians fighting against the Jedi and ultimately all dying except for Jango, that is not what the conflict was about.

2: There were 4 factions involved in Galidraan.

People oftentimes boil it down to Mandos vs Jedi, but that isn't accurate, because there were 4 parties involved:

The True Mandalorians (Haat Mando'ade; Jango's people)

The Jedi

Death Watch (led by Tor Vizsla, who killed Jaster, Jango's mentor)

The Governor of Galidraan

I have no idea why some fandom takes on Galidraan forget to mention the last two, when they are why the massacre took place at all.

3: The party responsible for the conflict on Galidraan was DEATH WATCH, with the Governor of Galidraan as their accomplice.

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The Jedi were used, and the True Mandalorians were victims.

You can endlessly debate whether or not the Jedi or the True Mandalorians could have taken different actions to have possibly prevented the massacre. And it's true, it might have been possible! There were certainly other actions that both sides could have taken.

HOWEVER. That discussion can ONLY take place after understanding that both sides were very intentionally, and very MALICIOUSLY manipulated by a third party.

This was not a normal Jedi vs Mandos clash. Neither the Jedi nor the True Mandalorians would have fought (would have even been on the planet in the first place!) without these manipulations, so to ask which of the two was to blame without first understanding that Death Watch set them up is failing to get Galidraan at all.

Here's what happened at the Massacre of Galidraan:

Jango and the True Mandalorians took a job from the Governor of Galidraan to kill his political opponents. The True Mandalorians are mercenaries, and this was just a job for them. It's also implied that Jango knew in advance that the Governor of Galidraan had been harboring Tor Vizsla and funding Death Watch*, and he intentionally took the job in order to get the Governor to owe him and pay him with information on them.

Jango and the True Mandalorians killed the Governor's political opponents, just as they were hired to do, and upheld their agreement. When Jango goes to collect payment, it was a trap—Tor Vizsla and Death Watch were waiting for him, and attempted to kill him.

Jango escapes, but his jetpack is damaged, as are his comms (or perhaps more likely, his comms were intentionally blocked). This is important because Jango now knows explicitly that they were set up: that the Governor of Galidraan was always working with Death Watch, and that he and his people being called to this planet was a trap in order to kill them. He tries to warn the True Mandalorians (Myles, his second, to be exact) to evacuate, but is unable to reach them because of his comms connection.

Back with Death Watch and the Governor, after Vizsla fails to kill Jango, they watch as the Jedi land on planet. The Governor states: "Yes, as you [Tor Vizsla] instructed, I begged for [the Jedi/the Republic's] help. Informed them that the Mandalorians were slaughtering political activists, which is basically true."

So, let's get this straight: the Governor of Galidraan, who personally HIRED the True Mandalorians to get rid of his political opponents, is now calling the Jedi to say "Oh no the Mandalorians are killing political activists!" And he did so under the explicit orders of Tor Vizsla. He explicitly backstabbed the True Mandalorians.

Should note that the True Mandalorians do follow a code, and only killed the specific people considered a threat (aka combatants). The True Mandalorians did not touch civilians, but as you can see from frames above, Death Watch goes ahead and kills them to make false evidence against the True Mandalorians and therefore justify their slaughter.

Again: Death Watch/Tor Vizsla and the Governor of Galidraan EXPLICITLY set up the True Mandalorians/Jango.

Next: Jango gets back to the True Mandalorians' camp as soon as he can, and arrives just as a large group of Jedi arrive, led by Dooku. Their lightsabers are already drawn.

Dooku says to them: "You stand accused of murder. Surrender now and we will ensure that you are fairly treated."

The girl next to Dooku, presumably young Komari Vosa, adds, "But fight us, and we will bring swift justice!"

Jango's response: "Mandalorians, open fire! And shoot the loudmouth first!"

And so the battle begins.

Without any of the previous context, sure, it might be easy to say "Jango's responsible, he fired first." But take a moment to think about what led up to this moment.

Jango knows, explicitly, that Death Watch and the Governor are working together.

He knows that Death Watch just wants him dead, and in fact very literally just escaped being killed.

He knows that he and his people are caught in a trap, and that Death Watch and the Governor want them all dead.

He probably isn't sure how they're going to be killed—until he arrives back at camp, and sees a shitton of Jedi with their lightsabers drawn, who are accusing them of a crime they did not commit. And he must have thought, ah, that would do it.

This isn't a normal encounter with the Jedi. It's true that Mandalorians have reasons to dislike Jedi as a whole, but Jango didn't shoot first because of that.

Jango shot first because he recognized that the Jedi were the weapon that Death Watch and the Governor chose for the execution of himself and his people. And he wasn't wrong.

Could Jango have maybe stopped to have a gentlemanly chat with Dooku and say "Good sir, we did not commit any murder, you were told false information and are being manipulated and we the True Mandalorians have been set up. Please put away your lightsabers so we can talk"? I mean. He could have. But.

With all of the context above, his decision to raise arms also makes sense.

After the battle, all fo the True Mandalorians present have been killed except Jango, as well as roughly half of the Jedi. Many of those Jedi were killed by Jango himself, with nothing but his bare hands—this is how he gains his infamous reputation as a "Jedi Killer." But to him, he was acting in self-defense.

The Jedi—or rather, at least Dooku—realize that they have been used only after the fact, and that they've done something horribly wrong and have killed innocents. Surrounded by the bodies of Jedi and True Mandalorians, and having just watched Jango strangle one last Jedi, Dooku says:

"What have we done...?"

In the "present" of the comic (pre-clone deal), Dooku also tells Sidious about Galidraan, "It was a misguided mission from the start. And not the first of the Council's many...poor decisions."

So what happened afterwards?

Jango alone was captured alive, and for some darn reason the Jedi turned him over to the Governor of Galidraan*. The Governor sold Jango to slavers and he was forced to work on a spice transport, until an opportunity arose to escape.

After escaping, did Jango seek out the Jedi?

No.

He beelined straight back to Galidraan, where the Governor, who had sold him and worked with Death Watch, had taken his armor (Jaster's armor) as some sort of twisted war trophy. He recovered his armor, and threatened the governor to get info on Tor Vizsla's location.

After that, did he go on a revenge campaign against the Jedi?

No.

He went straight for Tor Vizsla, who was PERSONALLY responsible for the deaths of the True Mandalorians at Galidraan. And he fought him. And killed him.

(or more specifically, injured him then let dire-cats eat him alive. Looks like Fetts have always had good luck with animals)

So that's the facts about Galidraan.

After Thoughts:

I hope this breakdown of the events makes it explicitly clear that Death Watch and the Governor were at fault for Galidraan, and that it was never a Mandos vs Jedi conflict. The same thing would have happened had Death Watch chosen a different executioner—though to be fair, not much can kill a trained group of Mandalorian mercenaries like the True Mandalorians.

Could both the True Mandalorians and Jedi have taken different actions that could have averted tragedy? Possibly. But just as likely, had Jango tried to talk, word would have reached the Jedi's ears that oh no, more Mandalorians are slaughtering the Galidraan women and children! (what Death Watch was doing while the True Mandos and Jedi were fighting) and then one of the more hot headed Jedi like Vosa probably would have been like "These negotiations are a distraction! Even now you're killing innocents—we fight!" And the True Mandos would have been killed anyway.

Again, they were set up. The True Mandalorians to be killed, the Jedi to be used as their ignorant executioner. They were not the only parties involved, and any attempt to peacefully negotiate their way out of it would have been hindered by the true aggressors, who already had contingency plans at the ready. And also, both parties were already expecting certain things of the other: Jango knew the Jedi had been sent to kill them (though not why the Jedi believed they should), and the Jedi thought they were a bunch of murderers, not a professional group simply hired for a job.

This is just my personal take, but while I don't think either Jango nor Dooku acted unreasonably at the time of the battle, there were two points where I think they could have made better decisions (marked with * above):

1) When Jango decided to take a job on Galidraan in the first place, knowing in advance that the Governor was friendly with Tor Vizsla and Death Watch. Admittedly, the comic doesn't provide much context for this, and perhaps the intel Jango had suggested a more distant connection, or something else to imply the Governor would be willing to rat out Death Watch. It seems almost cute that Jango goes ok, well I don't want to just randomly bust this guy's door down to threaten him for info on my arch nemesis, so I'm going to do a job for him and get him to owe me, and then we'll talk.

If there is one not so intelligent move Jango made, it seems like this one, though again there's not much context so perhaps it does make more sense.

2) When the Jedi give Jango to the Governor of Galidraan. I don't know about the rest of the Jedi, but Dooku at least seemed to sense that something had gone horribly wrong with the mission immediately after the battle, before they took Jango into custody. But despite KNOWING this, they didn't take the time to thoroughly investigate (better late than never) before handing Jango to his enemies on a silver platter. I would say that the Jedi ARE pretty responsible for this part, especially since they had reason to know better.

This action of the Jedi handing Jango over also implies that even if Jango had complied and he and all of the True Mandalorians had surrendered to the Jedi in hopes of talks, the Jedi would have handed them all over to the Governor (and Death Watch) to either be turned into slaves or executed. So no, I don't think that would have worked out well at all.

(I'm going to give at least Dooku the benefit of doubt, since the comic shows that at least he (and possibly he alone of the Jedi present) recognized that something was wrong. I'd hope that as the leader and presumably most senior member of the group of Jedi, he'd have some sort of authority, but then again, this is the Senate. He might have tried to at least delay Jango being handed over to the Governor until an investigation was conducted, but was perhaps held back by too much legal tape, and had to watch as someone he was sure was a victim was handed over to a suspicious party. Maybe he personally did an investigation afterwards and found that his bad feelings were correct, but when he tried to bring it up with the Council/Senate, he was told to forget about it. That would certainly shatter what remaining faith he had in the Republic and the Jedi, and possibly also lead him to search out Jango specifically as a candidate for the clone project—but again, this is purely speculation. Either way, Galidraan forms a potentially very fascinating connection between Dooku and Jango that predates Sidious.)

On the Jedi:

While the Galidraan conflict isn't about the Jedi, and they were simply used, I think internally, it does reveal some deep flaws in the Jedi Order as a whole, and that Dooku's criticisms of how they acted are fair. Dooku tells Jango, "[Galidraan] was the last of my foolish errands for the Senate. And the Jedi."

The Jedi are supposed to be peacekeepers, are supposed to understand and help people across the Galaxy, which their connection to the Force is supposed to help with. But by becoming an entity controlled by a political power that responds to mission requests through that chain, the Jedi are at risk of being used for various political agendas, sometimes to terrible consequences—like at Galidraan.

The quote above shows that the orders for the Jedi came from the Senate, who got them from the Governor of Galidraan. The fact is that the Jedi are a completely external force with zero familiarity with Galidraan or its current happenings, who were summoned by a government to do their bidding. If there was any investigation done, it clearly wasn't enough, and the Jedi were essentially turned into super deadly government attack dogs.

Galidraan laid bare the great danger that the Jedi can be, when their power is given to the wrong hands. Again, the Jedi were used—but that they could be used, that they likely have been used in the past and will be used in the future so long as they are beholden to a Republic whose orders they must follow—that's something to think about.

Again, it's not about Jedi vs Mandos. Sure, the fact that the Jedi have bad history with Mandos may have affected the lack of depth in their investigation. But it could have just as easily been "Group of X people are murdering innocents!" and the very same thing could have happened. This conflict revealed far less, "wow the Jedi really hate Mandos!" and more, "the Jedi and the Republic have a flawed relationship, and obeying government orders does not necessarily a peacekeeper make."

Given that the Jedi decided to give Jango to the Governor, I think it's very likely that no deep investigation was ever done into Galidraan, and if it was, it was covered up. After all, it's against the Republic's interests to show that they passed manipulated info to the Jedi, because they can't have the Jedi wanting to question future orders or worse, refuse to obey! And in a way, it's against the Order's interests to show that they not only fucked up by going to the mission at all, but further fucked up by handing the last surviving victim to the enemy after the fact. Add to that the fact that Death Watch was on site actively manipulating evidence and muddling the truth, and Jango no longer has anyone left alive to vouch for him so it's only his word, it's very likely that the truth really never got out of the small circle of those personally involved.

Perhaps the Jedi taught about Galidraan internally as a cautionary tale about being careful about the orders they're given. But given the above, I think that's incredibly generous and frankly unlikely.

On Jango Fett

This leads me to a final point: I disagree that Jango passionately hates and wants revenge on the Jedi.

At least, based on this story, as well as his depiction in the Bounty Hunters video game (which is supposed to be a sequel to this comic, even though its depiction of the start of the cloning contract isn't mutually compatible with the version in this comic) Jango doesn't actually really appear to care all that much about the Jedi at all.

You can say what you will about his actions, but he always has a very clear target for who his enemy is, and he goes straight for them. Immediately post Galidraan, it was the Governor of Galidraan and then Tor Vizsla specifically—not even the rest of Death Watch!

And while there isn't all that much official info on what Jango did after he killed Vizsla until he was pulled into the cloning project, I see zero evidence that he was consumed by revenge, or that he attempted to hunt down the rest of Death Watch or kill any Jedi despite the harm they have done to him in the past.

In fact, from his depiction at the start of the Bounty Hunters game, which I think is the best source of this period of his life that I can think of, it looks like Jango just kind of threw himself into bounty hunting work. After all, one does not have the reputation as "best bounty hunter in the galaxy" overriding "former Mand'alor, leader of the True Mandalorians" unless he did, well, a lot of bounty hunting.

He was a loner who didn't have any friends, which implies he didn't go looking for any surviving True Mandalorians—and there must have been, not everyone could have been in that battle. I suspect it's out of guilt, but that's a separate discussion. He didn't go hunting Jedi specifically, because presumably not many Jedi (who still identify as Jedi) have bounties on them, and "Jedi Killer" would certainly be a reputation louder than bounty hunter if that was his main focus.

But no. He was just a sad, lost dude who's really good at killing people so continues the Honorable Mercenary traditions of his people who are now gone, all by himself. Even the contest that lead to him being chosen as the Prime clone was originally just another job, and he just happened to meet Montross in the process, but he didn't really go out of his way to hunt him down either, despite how he was personally responsible for Jaster's death.

However—if you don't know that about Jango, and again don't have a full understanding of what happened at Galidraan (which again, I doubt many people do), I think it would be very easy to go oh! The Jedi killed all his people! So of course he hates Jedi!

(Which then provides a reason for why the Sith would think he would want to work with them to hurt Jedi—but does NOT explain why the Jedi would not think it suspicious that he's the Prime clone for an army supposedly made to help them. But that too is a separate exploration.)

All of this makes Jango a very fascinating character for me, and I could go on to explore his motivations and actions so much more—and in fact I do!!! All of those explorations of Jango and his motives and past are included as a large part of my fic, The Prime Override! So I won't go into it more here, this post is long enough, but you can check out my thoughts there! (LMAO sudden self-promo)

But anyway!!! I hope this whole thing was interesting for you, and that it helped you understand what happened at Galidraan better!

Again, the comic is Jango Fett: Open Seasons, written by Hayden Blackman, art by Ramon Bachs, Raul Fernandez, and Brad Anderson, published by Dark Horse Comics in 2002.

While I believe the standalone comic is out of print (I had to hunt down my copy on ebay), it's all included in Marvel Unlimited's digital comic library. It's also in the Star Wars Omnibus: Emissaries & Assassins collection, which might be cheaper because it's more recent.

As tragic as Jango's past is, it's one of my favorite Legends stories and I recommend reading the story for yourself if you can!

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[victorian-nymph]

This is how their interactions went right

[stoat-party]

Logging into Disney+ every week desperately trying to guess which episode is the chill one and which will leave me inconsolable

[fullbattleregalia]

S.O.: New phone wallpaper?

Me (staring at my Cal Kestis wallpaper): I want to wrap Cal in a blanket and feed him soup.

S.O.: That was fast.

Me: Hyper fixating on Star Wars properties at the drop of a hat is one of my top ten skills!

[autumnwoodsdreamer]

I haven’t opened Din or Grogu or Sabine’s wookiepedia pages in over two years and, at this point, I’m just too scared to

[rebel-ezra]

the saga of my dad being a casual star wars watcher and me being a ‘i live and breathe this shit’ watcher continues: me yelling THRAWN MENTION at the tv and my dad going ‘who’

[willowcrowned]

tbh from what I’ve seen people who love andor hate kenobi and some people who are insane for kenobi are more lukewarm about andor because they don’t come to Star Wars for that sort of thing. so if it does Star Wars emotions to you it might be new and different ones

thank you anon this is not at all comforting but very funny

[heartpascal]

YOU'LL FIND THE KEY

(reader)

• how to save a life - the fray

"where did i go wrong? i lost a friend,

somewhere along in the bitterness,

and i would have stayed up with you all night,

had i known how to save a life."

• elastic heart - sia

"i'm like a rubber band until you pull too hard,

i may snap and i move fast,

you won't see me fall apart."

• almost (sweet home) - hozier

"i've got some color back, she thinks so, too,

i laugh like me again, she laughs like you."

• love like you - steven universe

"i always thought i might be bad,

now i'm sure that it's true,

'cause i think you're so good,

and i'm nothing like you."

(joel)

• pompeii - bastille

"but if you close your eyes,

does it almost feel like nothing changed at all?

and if you close your eyes,

does it almost feel like you've been here before?"

• someone to you - banners

"i'll make the moon shine just for your view,

i'll make the starlight circle the room,

and if you feel the night is falling,

i wanna be the one you're calling,

'cause i believe that you could lead the way,

i just wanna be somebody to someone, oh."

• hello my old heart - the oh hellos

"oh, don't leave me here alone,

don't tell me that we've grown,

for having loved a little while,

oh, i don't wanna be alone,

i wanna find a home,

and i wanna share it with you."

(tommy & maria)

• i'll be your home - phillip larue

"you've been rolling, turning,

like a stone,

oh, restless heart, just let it go,

so, if you're tired, of fighting on your own,

if you're tired, of feeling all alone,

i'll be your home."

• home - phillip phillips

"if you get lost, you can always be found,

just know you're not alone,

'cause i'm gonna make this place your home."

• it's on us - ajr

"come out of the cold, we'll take the load,

and if they hurt you, with words so cruel,

here's what we'll do, we'll all fight for you,

it's not your fault, you don't feel safe,

it's not your fault, so don't take blame,

(no, it's on us)."

(reader & jesse)

• space between - dove cameron & sofia carson

"i didn't know what you,

were going through,

why did you have to hide?"

"i didn't wanna let you down,

but the truth is out,

it's tearing me apart,

not listening to my heart."

(reader & joel)

• fine line - harry styles

"we'll be a fine line,

we'll be alright (alright, alright, alright)."

• wildfire - seafret

"i needed sunshine in the darkness burning out,

well, now i know that i'm the fuel, and she's the spark,

we are bound to each other's hearts,

caught, torn, and pulled apart,

this love is like wildfire."

• little wonders - rob thomas

[about reader]

"let it go,

let it roll right off your shoulder,

don't you know,

the hardest part is over?

let it in,

let your clarity define you,

in the end,

we will only just remember how it feels."

[about joel]

"let it slide,

let your troubles fall behind you,

let it shine,

until you feel it all around you,

and i don't mind,

if it's me you need to turn to,

we'll get by,

it's the heart that really matters in the end."

howl each and every time you make me sob and cry you really do. LET US PROCEED.

[multifandom-nerds-blog]

Bad Batch Wednesday! Ep10!

Wrecker starts off being a mood, perfect

Gonky is the hero :)

Benny? His name is freaking BENNY?!

Annnnndddd they are about to destroy the ship

Hunter sitting at the back of the speeder like a little kid 😂

"This our defective energy-droid", yes Hunter. Tell him.

Yeah. Boy. You stole the wrong ship. Now you gotta jump down into a mine

And again. I love the animation so much. So fluid. Clean. Details (the animation of the smoke)

BOY. Don't say anything against Omegas dripping outfit

Ah yes. Letting your workers starve and basically treating them like slaves

Also that way to big jacket on Omega is adorable

"This is my home" - "the marauder is our home" - Emotion

And of course Mokko is lying, I expected nothing else

Dadada~ dramatic music

Benny's eyebags look like make-up 🤣

How the table turns, that's on yourself Mokko

OMEGA IS SKILLED, YES

Wait. Whas that episode for Hunter and the crew gaining a deeper realization that more people need help against the empire?

Go on. Go join Echo in the rebellion

All in all a good episode. Really. Again showing how hard of a life people are living, but just not that impressive since we had such a good and emotional episode last week.

[youngpettyqueen]

ok time to catch up on Ted Lasso

[rinayeas]

Im still going on my star wars newbie binge ft my boyfriend who is a lifelong star wars fan and we just finished watching the first 2 seasons of the mandalorian and like..... its really good but why does everything have to be serialized....

I enjoyed the show 100 times more when it was just mando and lil yoda (ik his name is grogu i just think its funny) going on episodic space lone ranger adventures and helping random ppl bc mando may be a bounty hunter but he is a Noble Man.

Why does moff gideon exist. He is just space gustavo from breaking bad except gustavo was cool and smart. Moff gideon just knows everything about everyone bc he's played by gustavo from breaking bad. I dont give a shit that the empire is rebuilding itself as... the empire.... if the remnants of the empire were rebranding as a proto-first order or smth like that it would b so much cooler and interesting but. Star war. Storm trooper or something.

Anyways i love pedro pascal hermano latinoamericano. Also din and luke only have like 15 seconds of interaction but honestly?? I see the appeal.

[merrysithmas]

even if bo doesn't die in ep 8, she'll always be dead to me☺️

[autistic-puffin]

this is definitely my shout into the void of mandalorian fandom but does anyone feel like this season (and the whole bobf interlude) basically exist to undo season 2?

i don't think it's necessarily an intentional thing, but the whole point of season 2 was Find Grogu A Jedi, plus Din Having Mandalorian Inner Conflict. and yet all the major points of season 2, including grogu's name reveal, were all either reversed or criticized in-show.

within two episodes (of an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SHOW), grogu is back with din, just like that. din's relationship with the children of the watch is thrown into question when he meets bo katan, and then later with mayfeld - and then of his own accord he decides to take his helmet off to say goodbye to grogu. and now we're right back where we started, except grogu has a name (which has at least twice been criticized by other characters) and can do force jumps now.

this isn't to say that the rest of season 3 won't delve deeper into din's identity and beliefs as a mandalorian, or even into grogu's need for instruction on being force-sensitive. i really, really hope that they will explore that at least a little.

it just feels to me that they wanted to rapidly undo their decisions from season 2, especially given that grogu is such a big draw and (at least in my understanding) is part of what makes the show a commercial success (aka something d*sney wants to continue making)

which definitely feels hollow from a story-telling standpoint, but also we saw two different giant repitilian beasts within 3 episodes so i guess i can't realllyyyyy complain (/lh)

[kingjasnah]

my love affair with the original star wars trilogy is a decade strong but ive fully broken up with the tv aspect at this point. clone wars was everything to me but id give filoni a swirly literally at the drop of a hat like stop writing the seven samurai stop writing it i swear

[bojangos]

I'm excited to see your Jaster post! I always like Jaster lives AUs - I'm working on one at the moment where the TMs are rushed off Korda IV and have to leave him after he's shot and he's captured + put in carbonite, only to be released after the war has started

The Carbonite one's are always interesting esp like you mention with 'post-war' starting. Absolutely gutwrenching to say Jaster Lives but only make him come back after Jango's dead-- kasljdklfajsl

You did remind me though I originally meant to give Jaster like a knee-brace in the Adonai doodle page since he gets shot in the knee on Korda, but I totally forgot lmao

Thank you!! I'm really pleased with Adonai's design tbh aksldjfklasdj. I know a lot of people draw him blonde but I wanted to make him red-headed both to distinguish him from the Vizsla's (tho Satine's mom may or may not have been a Vizsla...) and it has the added benefit of now people can say Korkie looks just like his grandfather--

As for the pacifism, well, it's because he's not a pacifist? lmao. I seem to recall in TCW "Voyage of Temptation" (the episode with satine aboard the Coronet, assasin droids, and the "anakin kills senator Merrik" bit akldjfklsdj) Obi-Wan implies that Satine becomes a pacifist after watching her family be killed in the Mandalorian Clan Wars and seeing the damage the war does. This implies that they were not pacifists beforehand, which I took and ran with.

The New Mandalorians probably are more peaceful than the other factions, likely because they have more civilians than anyone else, but more importantly the New Mandalorians are aligned with the Republic. (I could talk a lot more about the New Mando's essentially starting as a colonial puppet government of the republic but that's for another time lmao). Adonai is dangerous because he has a lot of allies outside of Mando space - Jaster can't depose of him without fear of the whole republic coming down on their heads and creating a new Dral'Han. Adonai knows that Jaster can't get rid of him and uses this for Quite a lot of leverage.

[bereft-of-frogs]

I was not intending to watch Ahsoka, at least not right away because 1) I think getting more selective about star wars and not chasing after completionism is a net positive for my experience, it's cool if I want to wait for reviews/spoilers before watching something, 2) I have a complicated relationship with the two major animated shows, as you all know, if you define 'complicated relationship' as 'I really, really don't want to watch them' so I figured I'd be confused but apparently even Rebels fans are confused so that's one excuse gone XD