#maggi discourse

[nqueso-emergency]

hey not to alarm you but maggie tweeted a screenshot of the word libel and knowing you said she leaked info i would tread carefully….

I'm not alarmed, I assure you. 🤣

A Tumblr blog post is NOT a publication. They should know this. Now it's just getting really fucking sad.

[catboygraystripe]

i need you guys to understand the potential of lady geist x mcginnis toxic yuri. femme who feels no remorse for actively killing people to sustain her beauty x butch who feels no remorse for passively killing people via her inventions for fairfax industries. i want both of them to witness the effects of eachothers lifestyle and see who breaks first.

[goodwomanbadlady]

So Aziraphale is in Heaven, Crowley is unspecified. The humans from S1 have vague fuzzies, Most of the humans from S2 have the same. But we know that Nina at least and possibly Maggie as well (not convinced one way or another on Maggie's humanity) have at least some more distinct memories of the situations they experienced. I'm basing that on Nina being aware of the party behavior of the shopkeepers. The control doesn't seem as strong with her.

Anyway, if Nina (& Maggie?) have more distinct memories of what went down, I'm wondering about their current existential crisis. Every story I've read so far seems to gloss over their acceptance of the situation with their personalities, but I'm guessing they wouldn't be the first humans (by a long shot) that our beings have revealed themselves to and left aware (at least in part) of their true natures and what that would mean for humanity. Confirmation of a Christian eternity, but oh wait, heaven's not great and hell is exactly as described. So eternal torment is a certainty in one form or another. Not to mention, bringing another element to the predestination vs. free will debate we already see in Aziraphale and Crowley.

It would be interesting to see a theological debate or simply a discourse on how (if it were real and as depicted in GO) that particular brand of knowledge would affect a living human, or two. I've seen a few where Nina does freak out but I'm curious that if neither Aziraphale or Crowley is there to answer any questions, what would that mental tornado look like? If Maggie does remember more clearly, like I believe Nina does, what would that do to their relationship? There are obviously multiple scenario possibilities. I've just not seen that being explored. Possibly because Aziraphale and Crowley are already written to be so human like that we are still playing with that, but there are some really interesting deep dives to be done with some other characters.

This just came to me, but the possibility of Mr. Brown (an admittedly very apt name) finding out he has a pash on an actual angel. And then a later reveal of Crowley's true nature. His reactions would be well worth the read.

If these fics are out there and I'm just not aware of them, please please comment fic recs!

[maurastierney]

ER POLL TIME! below are the top 10 results from the three previous polls.

(All results below received over 10% of the vote in their respective poll)

[dykenav]

one thing about me is I may go MIA on here for months but I will ALWAYS show up to the party for unhinged fandom shenanigans

[mythhp]

I don't want to be mean to people directly so I'm not putting this as a reblog to the posts I keep seeing BUT

the art of McGonagall with Dumbledore, Hagrid & Snape all together in the wake of Maggie Smith's death is very jarring, actually. who are you mourning?

I don't think you're mourning Maggie Smith, the real person. I think you're mourning the character Minerva McGonagall, who either never exists, or always exists, depending on your perspective on fiction.

It just really doesn't sit right with me ! that's all.

[livia-dovehallow]

Tlh feels so disconnected from the other series. It ignores so many things established already, it's like it's in its own universe. For example:

- We know Cecily's father was an alcoholic and yet none of the adults noticed Matthew's problem.

- Cecily is very active and a fighter but in tlh she's like a stay at home mom and just takes care of Alexander.

- How is it that everyone is so accepting of all the lgbt characters. Like I know shadowhunters don't follow the same social rules as mundanes do but at this point in history being gay is illegal. LIKE YOU COULD GO TO JAIL. And you're telling nobody had a problem. I feel it really undermines Alec's story. He being the first gay consul is a big deal, his fight for himself and his identity is huge and here it's like it's not even a problem for someone being gay. I know history not always improves, so you could say that people got more homophobic with time, but how. How did we go from this generation to the Circle. Like let's pretend Alexander is the Lightwood ancestor, it means Robert is his grandkid, and we know Robert's father was awful. Are you telling me Alexander, Cecily and Gabriel's child, raised a person so badly? Like how? There's no connection.

- Also, how is it so easy for Anna and Ari, and possibly Thomas and Alastair, to adopt a child. Again, it was a huge deal for Alec and Magnus to adopt Max and Rafael, but for the tlh people is this easy?

- Also, we know Alex is the first gay openly gay consul, so should we assume Charles didn't get to be consul? Or he did get to be consul and the historians erased his sexuality?

SECOND TO LAST BULLET IS A MODERATE SPOILER TO THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT FINISHED CHAIN OF THORNS BUT IT DIDNT MAKE SENSE TO ME TO COPY THIS ALL OVER WHEN IT'S AT THE BOTTOM SO I HOPE YOU SEE THIS WARNING OKAY SORRY

I have seen this sentiment a lot and I do agree with it. Alone (entirely detached from the rest of TSC and ignoring the fact that these characters are the children of my beloved TID characters), it's an all right series. But knowing that it is a TSC book, you're right. Ignores so many established things.

I just try to think of some of the more historically-inaccurate items as intentionally inaccurate so that TLH feels more welcoming and a better version of history than we know truly happened. However, that disconnects from TMI, as we know, because of how much prejudice Alec faced being gay. If TLH truly connected to all established events, I don't think Alec would have been so scared and felt so threatened.

(And, no, I don't think Charles ever became Consul but that's another story entirely).

Given that we know TLH familes are the ancestors of the TMI families (or most of them, at least), it just doesn't connect well. Obviously, big things could have happened between TLH and TMI that made the Lightwoods go back to being assholes for a generation (don't get me started on that either because Gideon and Gabriel would be so disappointed in them).

I get not wanting to feel tied to the family tree to create the TLH story, but CC should have stuck to what she had already established in a main series. Side books I think have more leeway of being retconned or adjusted, but not a main series, especially not the one that started it all.

So yeah, I can overlook historical inaccuracy to a pretty far extent, but stay consistent in your storytelling among the 4/5 published main series, at least. You wrote yourself into that corner; figure it out. Sigh.

TLH would have made a better series if it had been written as an NA series rather than YA and wasn't confined to a trilogy.

Cecily being reduced to a housewife angers me too much to even address it in this already long post but suffice it to say that I ignore that part of canon because Cecily Herondale-Lightwood is not a fucking housewife ksjflkjs

[spacexcowgirl]

I get on twitter. I see mtwt saying hcing lily as a lesbian is biphobic. I log out.

[roobylavender]

my problem with the aftg fandom at large and why rereading the series is so difficult for me despite the love i have for isolated parts of it is how little people are willing to contend with the fact that these characters are not real, they are of nora's creation as a self-published author and hence they are rife with misinformation and racial and sexual stereotypes and ableism and god knows what else. the sheer relentless disregard for how nora's racial stereotyping in particular informed her storytelling and should at least make one pause before they go all in on any of the very few characters of color in the entire narrative is insane and i absolutely loath the fact that nothing has changed about it in fandom. that the need to push for ships at the expense of any other worthwhile engagement with or criticism of the source material and its author's biases is still overwhelmingly prevalent today perhaps speaks exactly as to why the series never got off the ground in the way its contemporaries in trc and soc did and tbh maybe that's exactly what it deserves

[nqueso-emergency]

they said: there is a deeper meaning in everything. every prop is a choice.

we took the cue and looked at the deeper meaning of Eddie flipping through the swimsuit woman magazine.

them: no! not that one! pfft. that obviously means nothing.

😆

The framing on this is X. 😭🤭

[snixx]

Literally no offense to you Kavya di

But with all due respect.....

Maggi is better than yippee

no. can't take offence because you're objectively wrong <3

[floralisolation]

i’m thinking about the bastardization of the word “deep” on the internet to generally just mean sad moody introspective depressing content i don’t want to engage with versus the way i’ve always thought about depth in media as a richness, a generous helping of nuance, a richness and fullness of meaning and intentionality.

like. there is so much romance, mystery, intrigue, flavor, and just ughhh everything with depth!! complexity my beloved!!!

[toxinoire]

Wait holy shit I love this idea

may i introduce you to ruby, esme, their four lesbian moms, their two lesbian aunts, their bisexual uncles and their gay boyfriend, their transgender omnisexual aunt and her gender confused, pansexual boyfriend, their other lesbian aunt who swings by once a year, and their ally grandfather

[livia-dovehallow]

Do you think James and Cordelia relationship will work? I've never liked them, and it seems their relationship is more about lust than anything else, I've never believed the: we've been in love with each other since we were 14, it seems a very shallow relationship, like Lucie and Cordelia's friendship. And in chain of thorns Cordelia was really jealous and obsessed with Grace. I don't know what will happen between them after the honeymoon period they're in ends.

**SPOILER WARNING**

I have two answers for this. The one I think it's actually realistic if we look at it from purely a reader's side, and one that is probably what CC will say happened.

The one I think would be realistic if we took this relationship and looked at is as two people in our world, they are absolutely set up for divorce. They have had nothing but a tumultuous relationship from the start which was only made worse by the triangle with Matthew and the obsession with Grace. Their "reconciliation" was literally just having a lot of sex? Having a very physical-based honeymoon and honeymoon phase? Grounds for divorce later one.

They've never had a good, functional period of time in which they had a healthy relationship with no miscommunication or secrets or lies. How is that supposed to transition into a good long-lasting marriage?

So what I think it realistic (and would actually have my respect) is that they are married for a few years, they have a kid or two, but ultimately they divorce. The Herondale line continues, but their disaster of a relationship does not. I think they'd be perfectly fine co-parents and maintain some level of friendship, but a romantic relationship that is healthy just isn't there.

That is not, however, how I think CC would say it all worked out. I think she'd say they lived happily ever after and had their children and grandchildren and everything was good in the world :-)

[imnotoverlyobsessive]

Anon asks are back on.

Please don’t be sending me stuff about how you feel you (and others) should be able to send requests to authors who have told you over and over again that they don’t take them. I’m happy to have you guys here, but this is my house, and you gotta respect the rules when you’re in someone else’s house. I’d prefer to have anon asks as an option.

Thank you 💗

[soracities]

whats your all time favorite book? you may give me other recs too if you'd likee! 💗

I don't have an all time favourite because different books have made me lose my mind in different ways <3 but I CAN give you a breakdown based on some of my own personal categories:

Books I Would Take Into a Bunker For 9 Months (aka Absolutely No One Talk to Me)

The Brothers Karamazov, Dostoevsky

Ich und Du, Martin Buber

The Waves, Virginia Woolf

The Snake, Stig Dagerman

The Myth of Sisyphus and Other Essays, Albert Camus

The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy

An Inventory of Losses, Judith Schalansky

Invisible Man, Ralph Ellison

We, Yevgeny Zamyatin

Books That Did That™️

Secondhand-Time, Svetlana Alexievich

We Love Glenda So Much & Other Tales, Julio Cortázar

The Memory Police, Yoko Ogawa

At Swim-Two-Birds, Flann O'Brien

Deaf Republic, Ilya Kaminsky

Tess of the d'Urbervilles, Thomas Hardy

A Thousand Splendid Suns, Khaled Mattawa

The Chaos Walking Trilogy, Patrick Ness

Ways of Seeing, John Berger

German Autumn, Stig Dagerman

A Lover's Discourse: Fragments, Roland Barthes

A Girl Is A Half-Formed Thing, Eimear McBride

Night Watch, Terry Pratchett

Wuthering Heights, Emily Bronte

Women in Love, D.H. Lawrence

Bluets, Maggie Nelson

Antigone, Jean Anouilh

They: A Sequence of Unease, Kay Dick

A Doll's House, Henrik Ibsen

The Condemned, Stig Dagerman

Books That If I Could Erase My Memory and Read Again for the First Time I Would 100% Erase My Memory and Read Again for the First Time

The God of Small Things, Arundhati Roy

Água Viva, Clarice Lispector

The Bloody Chamber & Other Stories, Angela Carter

A Moth to a Flame, Stig Dagerman

Paris, When It's Naked, Etel Adnan

Without an Alphabet, Without a Face, Saadi Youssef

A Field Guide to Getting Lost, Rebecca Solnit

One Hundred Years of Solitude, Gabriel García Marquez

View with a Grain of Sand, Wislawa Szymborska

Possession, A.S. Byatt

Four Bare Legs in a Bed: Stories, Helen Simpson

The Unbearable Lightness of Being, Milan Kundera

Not to Read: Essays, Alejandro Zambra

The Princess Bride, William Goldman