#lucifer s5a

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"truth to be told i find you repulsive. like on a chemical level." chloe decker you icon <3

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Lucifer is first and foremost a bottom and the fact that it had to be canon for me realise it is embarrassing

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Chloe and Lucifer:

Boyfriend: ‘They’re so cute!’

(gif by @motherflunker​)

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Michael, Lucifer, and their Gifts

//Or my attempt at analyzing Michael.

Desire is Lucifer's gift. His power over other people's desires, but also in how his own drive him. Lucifer is largely defined by desire. He fundamentally understands it, the concept is as effortless to him as breathing. He understands the beautiful and the ugly sides of desire. And when cruelties are committed in the pursuit of desires, Lucifer punishes and seeks justice.

Michael's gift is Fear. The way he can sense and draw out people's fears seems just as effortless as Lucifer's. But like Lucifer with Desire, Michael's Fear doesn't stop with power over others. It is a driving force in all that he does. Michael is defined largely by his fears.

He refers to himself as Lucifer's opposite when speaking at one point, and in many ways he can be that.

Desire is something of an honesty with yourself. What you truly want reflects the core of who you truly are. Fears are full of doubts and unsureness. And Michael weaponizes this. It does not matter if what he tells you is true or not, if it preys upon your doubts and fears. He lies and uses painful truths tactfully. The way I figure, Michael doesn't really have to orchestrate much of anything. He can be a simple opportunist. The truth of whether he's done any manipulating or not isn't important. Its not the point. It's the infection. I think he has taken credit credit for and made claims of manipulations he never did, because he could. Building himself up as more powerful and in control than he truly is in the process.

He builds himself up, of course, out of his own fear of inadequacy, especially compared to Lucifer. His voice feels rougher. Nothing like the comforting, smooth charm of Lucifer's. His physicality is stiffer, tighter, asymmetric to Lucifer's effortless gliding. His right shoulder is uneven and his right arm hangs somewhat awkwardly, using his left hand primarily. Looking at his wings, his right wing appears damaged. Most theorizing I see attributes this to an injury caused by Lucifer during the rebellion, which can only add to the hatred. If so, Lucifer will have permanently marked Michael not once, but twice now. The way he carries himself feels closed and rigid. Calculated and careful. Not someone you are drawn to, but someone you should keep your eye on, just in case.

Carefully, he puts on a show for everyone around him, trying to take control of any given interaction. Whether its pretending to be Lucifer, leaning into the angelic goodness during his manipulation of Dan, and even just when he is playing himself up as a mastermind.

In his eyes, Michael has done everything right. At least compared to Lucifer. He hasn't rebelled. He's done what he's supposed to. But Lucifer is the one who gets all this praise when he obeys willingly, after millennia? Lucifer is loved and praised, despite everything, just for who he is, and Michael hates it.

The way he sees it, Lucifer should be undeserving. For all that he's done. And Michael? Michael wants the recognition, praise, and love that Lucifer gets. He truly desires it. It's a desire we all have.

When Michael overtook Lucifer's life and Chloe played him, he enjoyed the attention and the lie of Lucifer 2.0's superiority. He delighted in it enough that he decided to try to steal Lucifer's life.

He really wants to be appreciated, for who he is. But he seems to be stuck thinking he and Lucifer cannot both experience such things, it must be mutually exclusive. Their lives are too linked, and their differences too strong for him to consider otherwise. Lucifer is right in saying Michael thinks too small.

Michael's desire to be appreciated has become far too attached to his fear of inadequacy. Now one cannot be achieved without overcoming the other. Fear and desire are at odds, but are influenced heavily by each other. Fears come from desires. Desires come from fears. The two are inextricably connected, and are sometimes one in the same.

Lucifer and Michael themselves are truly two sides of the same coin.

Fears are the twisted, unwanted reflections of our desires. And Michael's greatest fear is exactly this. That this is all he is. An undesired, distorted reflection of Lucifer. And it consumes him.

So he lashes out. He seeks control. He manipulates and hurts others who he sees as having slighted him. His emotional immaturity rivals Lucifer's at its worst. He has many flaws similar to his twin, particularly in the area of making connections with others.

His difficulties are understandable. If fear reflects back from him like Lucifer with desire and Amenadiel with faith? Just by being who he is, if every interaction has this shadow of fear lingering above? No wonder he sees humans the way he does.

Michael is likely accustomed to the way fear affects us negatively. The desperation, the helplessness. The weakness. He is surely familiar to the way fear does this to his own self.

But, just as desire has it's dark sides, fear can have it's light sides. Just because Michael's gift is Fear doesn't mean he has to be a pure evil, unredeemable villain. If he could tap into the way fear betters people, it truly would be amazing. Fear is full of doubts, but it comes from deeply held emotions. Fear of pain is just one side. Fear of loss of that which you love is another. What people fear speaks to their most human qualities. Many fears are based in love and care, and a desire to be loved and cared for. The process of getting the courage to face fears is also incredibly powerful. He does not have to be predestined to be this manipulative, pathetic weasel.

For a show with a habit of giving its less-than-perfect characters redemption, it's something that I find myself hoping for in some way. It'd be a loooong fucking road, one that the show doesn't necessarily have time for, but it's something I'm interested in at least.

But also, like FUCK Michael, he's a pathetic piece of shit who needs to change literally everything about himself.

[thewollfgang]

Oh man I’m so curious about your opinions on s5e4 though lolll especially since I’m still not exactly sure what I think of that episode. But if you don’t want to share them no pressure:)

asdfkasghfdjg HOKAY SO

The black and white was cool, the cast is absolutely pretty enough to pull it off. The story was okay imo and the accent inconsistencies can be explained by the fact that Lucifer is telling a story versus actually being there.

Kevin Alejandro was the best thing about this episode. (Second, how damn good Lauren looks in that suit)

There are pieces I simply don’t understand. How Lilith ‘decided to have soulless offspring’ how she ‘gave lucifer an army’ or why. Maybe these will come to play later, maybe not. But with how close Lucifer was with Eve, him also being cozy with Lilith puzzles me. (but I’m sure there’s more to the story.)

The ending. Finding out Trixie was merely the vehicle Maze used to sucker Lucifer completely soured the episode for me. It made a cool, flashbacky ep suddenly about Maze and her deceit with Trixie pulled along in lying to Lucifer. 

But this is what really irks me: “It’s knowing there’s an end. That’s what makes the rest of it count. That’s what connects them to one another. What makes them brave, even when they have no reason to be.”

I think that is total bullshit. Like to the point it makes me angry. I can’t even fully verbalize why, but the idea that because humans die it connects us? Makes us brave? fuck that. And i know, I KNOW, it’s probably setting up a “Lucifer becomes mortal for Chloe and they live happily ever after” and that’s fine. It’s a common, if satisfying ending, but idk. I really hate the way they put it in this episode. Because Lucifer (and secondarily Amenadiel’s) connections with humans don’t become more valid if they’re also mortal. Or because they will end. They just are.

The thing is, I am just personally not here for “Immortality is terrible” type stories. They’re a dime a dozen. And I get that it’s a byproduct of dealing with being mortal ourselves and it’s easier to say “oh wouldn’t it be terrible?” than to say actually “I don’t want to die. I want to live forever. I want to be here, I want to experience.” 

And yeah, this is probably just a Me thing and that’s fine. anyway, there ya go, that’s my unpopular opinion. 

[hiromystory]

Some Thoughts on Lucifer’s Invulnerability

I’ve seen, basically, three theories floating around on why Lucifer lost his physical vulnerability in 5x7. In any scenario, I can’t help but think learning he himself was the cause of his vulnerability around Chloe is what put in play something that’s been static since early in season 1. However, as always, it’s still a reflection of his subconscious. We know Lucifer loses his vulnerability in a narrow window of time: Between being paralyzed by the copycat killer and being shot by Dan a couple scenes later. The basic options:

(1) As Chloe surmises, it’s because Lucifer is scared and putting his walls back up.

(2) It’s because Lucifer’s realized couples can empower one another (his conversation with Pete), i.e., being vulnerable can make you stronger.

(3) It’s a reaction to his fear and powerlessness at not being able to act/protect Chloe when he’s taken down by the copycat’s paralytic.

My thoughts…

(To start, I think what we saw on screen could reasonably support any of these, so I’m not trying to say anyone’s interpretation is wrong.)

Option 3 is actually what occurred to me on the first watch, before I rewatched and listened more carefully to Pete’s speech and the themes of the episode. I think this option had a lot of visceral appeal for me, because Tom Ellis plays that moment so well. The fear and helpless are palpable. It’s a logical reaction—he just can’t afford to be vulnerable.

But, I ultimately think option 2 is what is going on here. Much of the episode is about what it means to be empowered in a relationship. This is new territory. Lucifer is scared of losing what makes himself “useful” to Chloe. He’s taken Jed’s words in the previous episode (5x6) too to heart, as they likely reflect fears he already had as a child abandoned by his family. (“So, she just changed how she felt about you without...without any warning?”/“underneath the handsome, the sexy, the fun...It's just me [and that wasn’t enough].”) He still fears he’s unworthy (the fear Michael pegged in 5x3, Lucifer’s boast to Jed notwithstanding). 

This is a kind of vulnerability, but not the kind that makes one strong.

So, yes, Lucifer spends the episode (5x7) feeling powerless (and, ultimately, literally paralyzed). But he and Chloe do take down the killer—together. Then, the conversation Lucifer has with Pete is very on point. They talk about people in a relationship empowering one another. Pete basically repeats Lucifer’s fears as his own but then talks about opening up and letting the other person in. 

Putting the power of “deciding if I'm good enough or not” in someone else’s hands is an intensely vulnerable act—but that is the kind of vulnerability that makes one strong. 

While this is undoubtedly uncomfortable territory for Lucifer, this path of realization very much follows the familiar series formula where Lucifer learns something pertinent to himself at the end of the case.

So, in becoming invulnerable again, is Lucifer panicking and throwing his walls back up, as Chloe assumes? Or, taking the lesson from his conversation with Pete that being vulnerable is empowering?

In the next scene, on the balcony, Chloe posits that her being able to mojo him is because Lucifer’s letting her in. Which is, ostensibly, the lesson he just heard from Pete. Lucifer agrees he may have let his guard down. He looks thoughtful, they kiss, and he looks thoughtful again.

Chloe’s conclusion (option 1) is not consistent with the empowerment lesson/theme. Plus, when in this show is the first conclusion a character jumps to actually the right one? So, while a reasonable conclusion and I understand why Chloe reaches it, I don’t think option 1 is what is really going on.

Option 3 has a lot of appeal for me, because it’s how I would feel, I think. But, it isn’t as smooth a fit with the episode themes/structure. Plus, Lucifer’s self-actualizations usually reflect his emotional state in complicated ways (feels emotionally vulnerable/becomes physically vulnerable; feels good about himself/gives himself wings with which he has a terribly complicated relationship; feels guilty about choices and plumbs his self-hatred/turns himself into humanity’s monstrous image of him). Becomes physically helpless/gives himself back physical invulnerability feels a little too direct/logical/utilitarian.

Could it be a little bit of (2) and (3)? Maybe? But, I think fear/helplessness and empowerment cut against each other thematically as triggers for the change. (I do think one could posit the experience of being paralyzed helped him reach his conclusions about empowerment, but to me that’s different than saying fear/powerlessness was the trigger for the invulnerability.)

So, what do you all think? Agree/disagree? Did I miss anything? Other theories?

[when-humans-were-good]

So I’ve been rewatching lucifer since I saw s5a and I’m up to s2 ep12

And I find it funny how for most of the show it’s lucifer kinda majorly loving chloe and chloe being...well chloe

But then toward the end of s5a chloe gets worried she loves lucifer more than lucifer loves her

But like...the whole show as been basically about him doing things for her (like dying and going to hell to save her life and things)

To b fair to chloe, she still doesn’t know a lot of the things he’s done for her (I’m guessing) but still

Also was watching this scene and found it real beautiful how lucifer...AN ANGEL thought he wasn’t good enough for Chloe...A HUMAN

Ugh I love deckerstar

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I used to think it was funny that Trixie loved Lucifer the way it's funny when a cat loves the only person in the room who's allergic without really thinking about it, because it's a fun trope. But like, of course she loves Lucifer. Really every kid must. If he's a reflection of a person's desire, he's going to be their favorite thing no matter who they are.

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Lucifer - Lee ; Michael - Meg

Long story short, an analysis between Lucifer and Lee and Michael and Meg. Why 5x01 is an unfinished case and how it’ll all come to maybe play in 5x16. 

Lee and Lucifer

o   Back at 4x01, Lucifer said, “Money to cover any debts that you owe… and have a chance of a new life. A chance for people to see you in a different way.” What if Lee, just like Lucifer, did change and turned his life around. He stopped stealing, because well, he did get a fortune out of Lucifer, it could be he hasn’t paid his debts yet, him assuming he’d live long enough to still have enough money if ever someone asks for him to pay his debts.

o   Just like Lucifer, who over time slowly changed for the better, though sometimes he’d still be causing some trouble here and there.

 o   In Lee’s hell loop, he talked about how his mom got sick and then died only to followed by his dad – how he missed his chance to get together with his family one last time – that he didn’t show his face to them, that he left instead.

o   This could also be just like Luci’s case, how after his fall (him leaving heaven, his home, not to be seen again) Mum grew unhinged, locked up in hell, then ended up with her own universe – she’s not dead but she’s good as dead to them because Luci threw the key (sword) away. Also, with the upcoming issue with Dad how he’s getting old and janky now.

Meg and Michael

o   Meg describing Lee that he runs with the sketchy crowd, how he was a magnet for everything bad, that he was stuck in a vicious cycle and was bound to come down sooner or later. Then say she hasn’t seen the man in years – that she can’t say he knew the man anymore.

o   Michael trying to act like Lucifer but failing because he thinks, just like Meg, that he knew his brother, who is bad, who will always be bad but in the end – he was proven wrong.

o   Michael went down to earth to break Lucifer’s things (his found family) after some of their brothers and sisters started praising him (Lucifer! Lucifer! Lucifer!). At first, he wanted to prove them wrong, he’d break his ‘things�� to lure him topside to prove everyone that Lucifer didn’t change, but then changed his mind and decided to take everything from him.

o   What if Meg also heard the same, rumors about her brother how he stopped stealing (well because he received a fortune from Lucifer way back in 4x01, why would he still have the need to steal), owned a lot of properties now, and living his life to the fullest. While nothing changed for her much, she still lives in the house that she inherited from their parents 15 years ago. So, for a change she would be the one to steal from him – thus, the hired killer.

o   They both tried to live righteously – Michael in heaven, Meg an upright citizen, assuming since she’s not a convict (yet) – so just like Michael said – why are they praising a convict?

o   Michael lies, Meg could have lied.

How could this parallel be reflected to Michael and Lucifer’s relationship in the future:

I know the scenes listed seemed to mirror with what Chloe and Lucifer were feeling with him leaving/returning (depends on who’s POV you’re looking at) to earth but it can also be a foreshadowing for what the twins would soon have to face:

o   Meg admitted that she’s in denial, that Lee’s death doesn’t affect her, but the truth is she misses him. (Like how Chloe still misses Lucifer but –)

o   This could be soon mirrored by Michael, that he’s actually acting out not only because he’s jealous but how he actually misses his brother – his twin. He may have his issues with Lucifer, but they were twins and they may have grown apart over time, but I could easily see when both were younger, they were inseparable probably causing mayhem everywhere they went.

o   Assuming that the theory 1x10 is going to be mirrored in S5B – that Lucifer is the intended inheritor of the throne of god – then Lee saying that his family invited him and waiting for him could soon be Lucifer with his own family. Lee said he was invited, but they didn’t mean it, which could be that by the time Dad tells Lucifer the truth behind his fall, how all of it was a test and a preparation for him in soon inheriting and ruling over everything, Lucifer would also make excuses. Because just like Lee, Lucifer’s afraid to screw things up because it’s so easy to ruin anything when you finally have everything.

o   When Lee said, “I missed my chance. What about you?” Lucifer actually did miss his chance, when it comes to him returning to Chloe, Chloe almost died and was only saved because Michael showed up. He only came back when Amenadiel went down to tell him what’s happening topside. Which might also happen in the future. Lucifer initially rejecting Dad’s ‘inheritance’, only for something bad happening to Chloe before he does finally accept it.

o   Chloe dying and going to heaven might actually be the only reason for him to accept his place in heaven. But that doesn’t mean that Chloe would remain dead (she could be like Eve; made with the hands of god). After all Lee might become the first soul to ever escape his hell loop and end up in heaven. Lucifer would introduce them to each other then Lee realizes that maybe it wasn’t his old crew – maybe it was Meg.

So why Meg?

Facts

o   Gill, the killer, was hired for 20 grand (demon didn’t finish what he had to say only said about the vault)

o   The demon’s intel and Lee’s credit card statements led them to a safe at You Stored It (Meg already there)

o   The hand was in Meg’s Kitchen

o   Lee’s old crew didn’t find the money in the safe (they could have taken and used the hand and got to the safe before Meg, Chloe, and Maze)

Speculations

o   Meg hired Gill – she could have made a copy of Lee’s hand fingerprints to use to open the safe before decomposition started with the hand. (idk can fingerprints be copied? I hope so)

o   Lee’s old crew found out it’s Meg because Gill spilled the beans

o   Meg laughed when Lee’s old crew said the safe was empty when they got there

o   Meg already have the money, hid it, returned to You Stored It to know if Gill really told somebody else, and waited for anybody who may be after the money in the safe

o   Chloe’s been suspicious of her since they saw her at You Stored It and when she laughed while facing Lee’s old crew at gun point

o   Also, someone has already said this but all the actual suspects/victims for this season is either in disguise or was lying or pretending to be someone else.

[meg-a-obsessed]

The Detective

Can I just say something? 

The fact that Lucifer calls Chloe Decker ‘Detective’ when talking to her? And she just accepts it?

Amazing.

And the fact that calls her ‘The Detective’ when talking about her to other people? And they just accept it?

Also amazing.

But the fact that everyone immediately knows who he’s talking about, because they know that she’s the only Detective that matters to him? 

EVEN BETTER.

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Lucifer Spoiler but Mobile Sucks

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Okay so anyway I love that when they pitched the show, Tom Ellis was going to use an American accent, bc he was supposed to be hanging out in LA, and they wanted the accent to match. We know they changed this however, bc it made him TOO obnoxious and unlikable. Just a balls to the wall asshole no one would cheer for. Use your natural accent after all please, and bam we have the Lucifer we know and love.

So of course they brought it back for Michael as a way to set him apart and I am living for how much I hate this asshole good choice team fuck American Angel Jake Dong

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Correct me if I'm wrong but Chloe definitely started realising Michael wasn't Lucifer when he didn't bring his hands to her cheeks while they kissed-

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My boyfriend @ Chloe shooting Michael:

*whispering* ‘Oh my God, she is so fucking cool.’

[que-mint-tea]

Chloe Decker in a suit. 🔥

That’s it.

That’s the post.

[thewollfgang]

Can i take just a moment to squirm happily about how as soon ‘lucifer’ gave him a smile, a handshake and a compliment dan literally got lucifer a bracialet like the one he got complimented on the very next day? HOW CUTE AND BITTERSWEET IS THAT???

ABSOLUTELY. BraceletBros4Life. 

I think it also goes to show how much Dan needs some support in his life. Kevin Alejandro absolutely killed it this season. He seemed to be having so much fun and he got some great drama moments as well. I’ve loved what they’ve done with Dan this season.  

[tarysande]

Honestly? This holds up. Well done, past me. 😂😂

It’s the Dose that Makes the Poison: Lucifer Thoughts and Speculation

I’m going to throw the entirety of this under a cut because spoilers. I’ve been rearranging the pieces on the table and I have some meta and a plausible(?) theory about how things might shake out.

…this is almost four thousand words long, and frankly? I feel I’ve barely grazed the surface.

Also, I put it on AO3 for ease of reading and/or in case anyone wants to have, idk, threaded conversations ;D

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