#Lucifer s5a

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"truth to be told i find you repulsive. like on a chemical level." chloe decker you icon <3

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Lucifer is first and foremost a bottom and the fact that it had to be canon for me realise it is embarrassing

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Chloe and Lucifer:

Boyfriend: ‘They’re so cute!’

(gif by @motherflunker​)

[thewollfgang]

Oh man I’m so curious about your opinions on s5e4 though lolll especially since I’m still not exactly sure what I think of that episode. But if you don’t want to share them no pressure:)

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The black and white was cool, the cast is absolutely pretty enough to pull it off. The story was okay imo and the accent inconsistencies can be explained by the fact that Lucifer is telling a story versus actually being there.

Kevin Alejandro was the best thing about this episode. (Second, how damn good Lauren looks in that suit)

There are pieces I simply don’t understand. How Lilith ‘decided to have soulless offspring’ how she ‘gave lucifer an army’ or why. Maybe these will come to play later, maybe not. But with how close Lucifer was with Eve, him also being cozy with Lilith puzzles me. (but I’m sure there’s more to the story.)

The ending. Finding out Trixie was merely the vehicle Maze used to sucker Lucifer completely soured the episode for me. It made a cool, flashbacky ep suddenly about Maze and her deceit with Trixie pulled along in lying to Lucifer. 

But this is what really irks me: “It’s knowing there’s an end. That’s what makes the rest of it count. That’s what connects them to one another. What makes them brave, even when they have no reason to be.”

I think that is total bullshit. Like to the point it makes me angry. I can’t even fully verbalize why, but the idea that because humans die it connects us? Makes us brave? fuck that. And i know, I KNOW, it’s probably setting up a “Lucifer becomes mortal for Chloe and they live happily ever after” and that’s fine. It’s a common, if satisfying ending, but idk. I really hate the way they put it in this episode. Because Lucifer (and secondarily Amenadiel’s) connections with humans don’t become more valid if they’re also mortal. Or because they will end. They just are.

The thing is, I am just personally not here for “Immortality is terrible” type stories. They’re a dime a dozen. And I get that it’s a byproduct of dealing with being mortal ourselves and it’s easier to say “oh wouldn’t it be terrible?” than to say actually “I don’t want to die. I want to live forever. I want to be here, I want to experience.” 

And yeah, this is probably just a Me thing and that’s fine. anyway, there ya go, that’s my unpopular opinion. 

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Some Thoughts on Lucifer’s Invulnerability

I’ve seen, basically, three theories floating around on why Lucifer lost his physical vulnerability in 5x7. In any scenario, I can’t help but think learning he himself was the cause of his vulnerability around Chloe is what put in play something that’s been static since early in season 1. However, as always, it’s still a reflection of his subconscious. We know Lucifer loses his vulnerability in a narrow window of time: Between being paralyzed by the copycat killer and being shot by Dan a couple scenes later. The basic options:

(1) As Chloe surmises, it’s because Lucifer is scared and putting his walls back up.

(2) It’s because Lucifer’s realized couples can empower one another (his conversation with Pete), i.e., being vulnerable can make you stronger.

(3) It’s a reaction to his fear and powerlessness at not being able to act/protect Chloe when he’s taken down by the copycat’s paralytic.

My thoughts…

(To start, I think what we saw on screen could reasonably support any of these, so I’m not trying to say anyone’s interpretation is wrong.)

Option 3 is actually what occurred to me on the first watch, before I rewatched and listened more carefully to Pete’s speech and the themes of the episode. I think this option had a lot of visceral appeal for me, because Tom Ellis plays that moment so well. The fear and helpless are palpable. It’s a logical reaction—he just can’t afford to be vulnerable.

But, I ultimately think option 2 is what is going on here. Much of the episode is about what it means to be empowered in a relationship. This is new territory. Lucifer is scared of losing what makes himself “useful” to Chloe. He’s taken Jed’s words in the previous episode (5x6) too to heart, as they likely reflect fears he already had as a child abandoned by his family. (“So, she just changed how she felt about you without...without any warning?”/“underneath the handsome, the sexy, the fun...It's just me [and that wasn’t enough].”) He still fears he’s unworthy (the fear Michael pegged in 5x3, Lucifer’s boast to Jed notwithstanding). 

This is a kind of vulnerability, but not the kind that makes one strong.

So, yes, Lucifer spends the episode (5x7) feeling powerless (and, ultimately, literally paralyzed). But he and Chloe do take down the killer—together. Then, the conversation Lucifer has with Pete is very on point. They talk about people in a relationship empowering one another. Pete basically repeats Lucifer’s fears as his own but then talks about opening up and letting the other person in. 

Putting the power of “deciding if I'm good enough or not” in someone else’s hands is an intensely vulnerable act—but that is the kind of vulnerability that makes one strong. 

While this is undoubtedly uncomfortable territory for Lucifer, this path of realization very much follows the familiar series formula where Lucifer learns something pertinent to himself at the end of the case.

So, in becoming invulnerable again, is Lucifer panicking and throwing his walls back up, as Chloe assumes? Or, taking the lesson from his conversation with Pete that being vulnerable is empowering?

In the next scene, on the balcony, Chloe posits that her being able to mojo him is because Lucifer’s letting her in. Which is, ostensibly, the lesson he just heard from Pete. Lucifer agrees he may have let his guard down. He looks thoughtful, they kiss, and he looks thoughtful again.

Chloe’s conclusion (option 1) is not consistent with the empowerment lesson/theme. Plus, when in this show is the first conclusion a character jumps to actually the right one? So, while a reasonable conclusion and I understand why Chloe reaches it, I don’t think option 1 is what is really going on.

Option 3 has a lot of appeal for me, because it’s how I would feel, I think. But, it isn’t as smooth a fit with the episode themes/structure. Plus, Lucifer’s self-actualizations usually reflect his emotional state in complicated ways (feels emotionally vulnerable/becomes physically vulnerable; feels good about himself/gives himself wings with which he has a terribly complicated relationship; feels guilty about choices and plumbs his self-hatred/turns himself into humanity’s monstrous image of him). Becomes physically helpless/gives himself back physical invulnerability feels a little too direct/logical/utilitarian.

Could it be a little bit of (2) and (3)? Maybe? But, I think fear/helplessness and empowerment cut against each other thematically as triggers for the change. (I do think one could posit the experience of being paralyzed helped him reach his conclusions about empowerment, but to me that’s different than saying fear/powerlessness was the trigger for the invulnerability.)

So, what do you all think? Agree/disagree? Did I miss anything? Other theories?

[when-humans-were-good]

So I’ve been rewatching lucifer since I saw s5a and I’m up to s2 ep12

And I find it funny how for most of the show it’s lucifer kinda majorly loving chloe and chloe being...well chloe

But then toward the end of s5a chloe gets worried she loves lucifer more than lucifer loves her

But like...the whole show as been basically about him doing things for her (like dying and going to hell to save her life and things)

To b fair to chloe, she still doesn’t know a lot of the things he’s done for her (I’m guessing) but still

Also was watching this scene and found it real beautiful how lucifer...AN ANGEL thought he wasn’t good enough for Chloe...A HUMAN

Ugh I love deckerstar

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I used to think it was funny that Trixie loved Lucifer the way it's funny when a cat loves the only person in the room who's allergic without really thinking about it, because it's a fun trope. But like, of course she loves Lucifer. Really every kid must. If he's a reflection of a person's desire, he's going to be their favorite thing no matter who they are.

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Lucifer - Lee ; Michael - Meg

Long story short, an analysis between Lucifer and Lee and Michael and Meg. Why 5x01 is an unfinished case and how it’ll all come to maybe play in 5x16. 

Lee and Lucifer

o   Back at 4x01, Lucifer said, “Money to cover any debts that you owe… and have a chance of a new life. A chance for people to see you in a different way.” What if Lee, just like Lucifer, did change and turned his life around. He stopped stealing, because well, he did get a fortune out of Lucifer, it could be he hasn’t paid his debts yet, him assuming he’d live long enough to still have enough money if ever someone asks for him to pay his debts.

o   Just like Lucifer, who over time slowly changed for the better, though sometimes he’d still be causing some trouble here and there.

 o   In Lee’s hell loop, he talked about how his mom got sick and then died only to followed by his dad – how he missed his chance to get together with his family one last time – that he didn’t show his face to them, that he left instead.

o   This could also be just like Luci’s case, how after his fall (him leaving heaven, his home, not to be seen again) Mum grew unhinged, locked up in hell, then ended up with her own universe – she’s not dead but she’s good as dead to them because Luci threw the key (sword) away. Also, with the upcoming issue with Dad how he’s getting old and janky now.

Meg and Michael

o   Meg describing Lee that he runs with the sketchy crowd, how he was a magnet for everything bad, that he was stuck in a vicious cycle and was bound to come down sooner or later. Then say she hasn’t seen the man in years – that she can’t say he knew the man anymore.

o   Michael trying to act like Lucifer but failing because he thinks, just like Meg, that he knew his brother, who is bad, who will always be bad but in the end – he was proven wrong.

o   Michael went down to earth to break Lucifer’s things (his found family) after some of their brothers and sisters started praising him (Lucifer! Lucifer! Lucifer!). At first, he wanted to prove them wrong, he’d break his ‘things’ to lure him topside to prove everyone that Lucifer didn’t change, but then changed his mind and decided to take everything from him.

o   What if Meg also heard the same, rumors about her brother how he stopped stealing (well because he received a fortune from Lucifer way back in 4x01, why would he still have the need to steal), owned a lot of properties now, and living his life to the fullest. While nothing changed for her much, she still lives in the house that she inherited from their parents 15 years ago. So, for a change she would be the one to steal from him – thus, the hired killer.

o   They both tried to live righteously – Michael in heaven, Meg an upright citizen, assuming since she’s not a convict (yet) – so just like Michael said – why are they praising a convict?

o   Michael lies, Meg could have lied.

How could this parallel be reflected to Michael and Lucifer’s relationship in the future:

I know the scenes listed seemed to mirror with what Chloe and Lucifer were feeling with him leaving/returning (depends on who’s POV you’re looking at) to earth but it can also be a foreshadowing for what the twins would soon have to face:

o   Meg admitted that she’s in denial, that Lee’s death doesn’t affect her, but the truth is she misses him. (Like how Chloe still misses Lucifer but –)

o   This could be soon mirrored by Michael, that he’s actually acting out not only because he’s jealous but how he actually misses his brother – his twin. He may have his issues with Lucifer, but they were twins and they may have grown apart over time, but I could easily see when both were younger, they were inseparable probably causing mayhem everywhere they went.

o   Assuming that the theory 1x10 is going to be mirrored in S5B – that Lucifer is the intended inheritor of the throne of god – then Lee saying that his family invited him and waiting for him could soon be Lucifer with his own family. Lee said he was invited, but they didn’t mean it, which could be that by the time Dad tells Lucifer the truth behind his fall, how all of it was a test and a preparation for him in soon inheriting and ruling over everything, Lucifer would also make excuses. Because just like Lee, Lucifer’s afraid to screw things up because it’s so easy to ruin anything when you finally have everything.

o   When Lee said, “I missed my chance. What about you?” Lucifer actually did miss his chance, when it comes to him returning to Chloe, Chloe almost died and was only saved because Michael showed up. He only came back when Amenadiel went down to tell him what’s happening topside. Which might also happen in the future. Lucifer initially rejecting Dad’s ‘inheritance’, only for something bad happening to Chloe before he does finally accept it.

o   Chloe dying and going to heaven might actually be the only reason for him to accept his place in heaven. But that doesn’t mean that Chloe would remain dead (she could be like Eve; made with the hands of god). After all Lee might become the first soul to ever escape his hell loop and end up in heaven. Lucifer would introduce them to each other then Lee realizes that maybe it wasn’t his old crew – maybe it was Meg.

So why Meg?

Facts

o   Gill, the killer, was hired for 20 grand (demon didn’t finish what he had to say only said about the vault)

o   The demon’s intel and Lee’s credit card statements led them to a safe at You Stored It (Meg already there)

o   The hand was in Meg’s Kitchen

o   Lee’s old crew didn’t find the money in the safe (they could have taken and used the hand and got to the safe before Meg, Chloe, and Maze)

Speculations

o   Meg hired Gill – she could have made a copy of Lee’s hand fingerprints to use to open the safe before decomposition started with the hand. (idk can fingerprints be copied? I hope so)

o   Lee’s old crew found out it’s Meg because Gill spilled the beans

o   Meg laughed when Lee’s old crew said the safe was empty when they got there

o   Meg already have the money, hid it, returned to You Stored It to know if Gill really told somebody else, and waited for anybody who may be after the money in the safe

o   Chloe’s been suspicious of her since they saw her at You Stored It and when she laughed while facing Lee’s old crew at gun point

o   Also, someone has already said this but all the actual suspects/victims for this season is either in disguise or was lying or pretending to be someone else.

[meg-a-obsessed]

The Detective

Can I just say something? 

The fact that Lucifer calls Chloe Decker ‘Detective’ when talking to her? And she just accepts it?

Amazing.

And the fact that calls her ‘The Detective’ when talking about her to other people? And they just accept it?

Also amazing.

But the fact that everyone immediately knows who he’s talking about, because they know that she’s the only Detective that matters to him? 

EVEN BETTER.

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Lucifer Spoiler but Mobile Sucks

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Okay so anyway I love that when they pitched the show, Tom Ellis was going to use an American accent, bc he was supposed to be hanging out in LA, and they wanted the accent to match. We know they changed this however, bc it made him TOO obnoxious and unlikable. Just a balls to the wall asshole no one would cheer for. Use your natural accent after all please, and bam we have the Lucifer we know and love.

So of course they brought it back for Michael as a way to set him apart and I am living for how much I hate this asshole good choice team fuck American Angel Jake Dong

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Chloe Decker in a suit. 🔥

That’s it.

That’s the post.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but Chloe definitely started realising Michael wasn't Lucifer when he didn't bring his hands to her cheeks while they kissed-

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My boyfriend @ Chloe shooting Michael:

*whispering* ‘Oh my God, she is so fucking cool.’

[thewollfgang]

Can i take just a moment to squirm happily about how as soon ‘lucifer’ gave him a smile, a handshake and a compliment dan literally got lucifer a bracialet like the one he got complimented on the very next day? HOW CUTE AND BITTERSWEET IS THAT???

ABSOLUTELY. BraceletBros4Life. 

I think it also goes to show how much Dan needs some support in his life. Kevin Alejandro absolutely killed it this season. He seemed to be having so much fun and he got some great drama moments as well. I’ve loved what they’ve done with Dan this season.  

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Honestly? This holds up. Well done, past me. 😂😂

It’s the Dose that Makes the Poison: Lucifer Thoughts and Speculation

I’m going to throw the entirety of this under a cut because spoilers. I’ve been rearranging the pieces on the table and I have some meta and a plausible(?) theory about how things might shake out.

…this is almost four thousand words long, and frankly? I feel I’ve barely grazed the surface.

Also, I put it on AO3 for ease of reading and/or in case anyone wants to have, idk, threaded conversations ;D

Keep reading

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My theories on the most dreaded? awaited? ending for Lucifer (Deckerstar):

So first, Immortal!Chloe and Unredeemed!Lucifer.

So how will she become immortal?

Some say the ring might help Maze with her search for a soul but I don't think so because that ring holds Lilith's Immortality and I don't think Immortality = Soul?

So if Luci gives the ring to Chloe and gives Lilith's immortality to her then Immortal!Chloe.

Some people say Chloe wouldn't be happy with it because we've already seen Pierce suffer and Lilith chose to give it up because she said and I quote, "it's knowing there is an end that makes the rest of it count" and also there's Trixie. Which is yeah, point, but humor me.

Didn't Pierce regret becoming mortal again? Charlotte died in the first place because he was going to kill Amenadiel to have his mark back he got scared of the possibility of finally having an end even tho that was what he thought he wanted in the beginning and didn't Lilith seem to regret her decision giving it up? When Maze saw her Lilith said she tried something and it didn't work out and when she died Maze presumed she died lonely & alone in her apartment. I think they actually found being immortal 'convenient' (for the lack of better word choice on my part). She's a detective, her life's always in danger, it'll be 'convenient'.

Also, if it's true that Hell doesn't really need a warden anymore (i doubt that tho i think Michael pulled that one tho I'm leaning on my gut feel that there would be changes when it comes to Hell's management soon) and Lucifer is still banned from Heaven then where else would he stay? Earth, right? Because Chloe is his home. So once Chloe dies (again, assuming that Lucifer won't get unbanned from Heaven) our dude would be a Mess™. He'd probably wage a war just to see a glimpse of her in Heaven and Chloe going to Hell wouldn't even be an option 'cause Luci would probably, again, wage a war for Heaven to open its gates for Chloe. So to avoid Unredeemed!Lucifer from waging a war have Immortal!Chloe. (With what army would he wage a war if he's not a King anymore, you ask? He alone would wage it he wouldn't care if he has an army or not the devil is in love and he would fight for her)

What about Trixie? Based on the interview with Lesley (Maze) there's a scene where it gets gory and will make Maze release her demonic side and as a mother herself she felt the pain of the scene and cried during the shoots. I think its either one of the kids dying (Trixie/Charlie) or Dan maybe (Luci drinking from his #1 Dad cup foreshadowing him being a Step-devil?) and Lesly was simply sympathizing with the pain of a parent saying goodbye to their child.

Anyways, if Trixie dies and she goes to Heaven maybe, just maybe, it'll be okay for an immortal to see the dead? Like Amenadiel can carry her to Heaven to see Trixie and still be able to spend her days with Luci on Earth as immortals. If Trixie doesn't and dies in her old age, again, take Amenadiel Airways to have them see each other once in a while. She'll see Trixie and still be together with Luci.

Okay next, Mortal!Chloe and Redeemed!Lucifer.

I think this might be the end they might go with. They might just deal with the fact that Chloe will age, grow old, and die with Lucifer (hopefully with an ageing glamour because then that would be just weird) at her side being her devil shield as long as she's in service as a detective. She'll die as a human sure but if Lucifer's redeemed what will stop them from spending their days in Heaven? Together?

Last one is tricky - Human!Lucifer.

I really can't see Lucifer giving up his 'Devilness/Angelness' to be 'with' Chloe. Some say this is a possibility because it might be a parallel with Lilith and Luci. However, we saw what happened with Lilith (regrets?) and how he reacted when he lost his desire mojo and then when he both regained his invulnerability and desire mojo. He was thrilled. He probably felt "invincible" and worthy to be at Chloe's side (see: "My mojo is the reason I'm useful to her in the first place" he's still insecure they'd probably talk and deal with those issues later on). Still, it's his identity. It wouldn't make sense for someone like Luci who struggled a lot during the entire series asking himself (subconsciously) who/what he truly is (good or evil) at his core for him to give up a very big part of himself.

"But he's in love!"

Yes, he is, but just like they said being in love is about sharing and gives-and-takes not gives-and-gives or takes-and-takes. Also, in their kind of partnership if Lucifer gives it up it would just change everything in their dynamic - no more desire mojo, no more devil shield, simply no more Lucifer's 'Luciferness'. Because, ya know if Chloe's still going to die why not go with just a Redeemed!Lucifer and be her devil shield right?

So in summary the endings might be among these three (ranked based on what I think is the most probable):

Lucifer gets redeemed stays on Earth with Chloe and when her time comes spend the rest of their lives in Heaven.

Lucifer doesn't get redeemed might or might not be the King of Hell anymore (somebody else *ahem* Michael *ahem* might take his place) gives the ring to Chloe and live as immortals on Earth.

Lucifer gets redeemed but choose to become Human!Lucifer (WHY!?) spends the rest of his days with Chloe then ascends to heaven with her when their time comes.

Final thoughts: I can see option 1 and 2 happening? Tbh I think those are the endings I can accept. I can see 1 as the most doable and acceptable (on my part). I just hope that Luci can glamour himself and make his appearance age tho 'cause if they do go on this route Chloe getting older with a constant 30s aged Luci at her side would just raise a lot of eyebrows soon the longer they're together. While 2 might be a bit hard and complicated because like what would they do? Pull off a Pierce and change their identities every 30-50 years because they don't age? Well it can be easy, maybe, since Luci has connections but yeah that's tiring. Then option 3 which some might prefer just doesn't sit right with me. We saw Luci with his issues on Chloe 'taking' his mojo, on his fear with the Silent Killer when he was incapacitated, and how happy he was when got both of his 'arsenals' back (i.e. invulnerability and desire mojo). It just won't make sense with me considering how their partnership works. Also, I think Chloe wouldn't also like Luci giving up such a big part of him just to be with her. I can only see option 3 happening if Luci's given an ultimatum of being redeemed if he lives a life of a human/mortal. But idk man I think he 'lived' as a human (vulnerability issues) enough for me and for all the actions and choices that he made throughout his journey in the series - I think he redeemed himself enough.

okay im done rambling if this gets any attention please be kind lol