#lucifer 5x04

[vendettasfanfictioning]

SUPERNATURAL SEASON 5 EPISODE 4: THE END. My beloved Supernatural Season 5 Episode 4: The End. You and your sexual tension and your, "woah, you're not you, not now you," and your, "me and him? It's a pretty messed up situation we got going," and your, "what? I like past you," and your, "you're gonna send your friends through the meat grinder? Cas too?" and your, "never change, Cas."

YOU and your two Deans who pissed off one another and fought. Your 2009 Dean who brought up Cas dying and it's the only thing that made 2014 Dean look away like maybe he couldn't keep up appearances for too long lest he cracked. Your destiel and your proof of Dean's growing love for Castiel. I love you Supernatural Season 5 Episode 4: The End!!!!!

[donteverchxnge]

a man of his word.

[beautysurvives]

hit me today while reading the script for The End how many details from Endverse 2014 also happen in the Canon 2014 timeline.

Cas becoming human, Cas kinda sorta being a cult leader, Dean turning into a worse more violent version of himself, Dean torturing people again, his relationship with Sam falling apart culminating in Dean’s death at the hands of an almost unkillable, Godlike enemy….

Not that I know what any of it means but

[onespncap]

s05e04 -- "The End"

[littlebluejaydraws]

He can't do this, he can't survive this, no one could expect it of him. He can't. He can't. Map of the World, Chapter 1

ID: Image compiling multiple rough digital sketches. The bottom sketch shows Cas in profile, on his knees, sobbing into one hand. Above his head and back are the words "It's forever in here", surrounded by flames. Above this is a sketch of Lucifer in Sam's body, wearing a white suit and looking down. Behind the sketch of Lucifer is a close up of the scene of Lucifer breaking Dean's neck from episode 5x04 of Supernatural. Under Lucifer's heel, is a sketch of Bobby's wheelchair, on its side with bullet holes in the back. Above Dean's head, there is a sketch showing bullet holes in a wall. The colours are black, white, and pink/red. End ID.

[sammy-the-boyking]

white suit lucifer!sam you will always be famous 🫶

[shallowseeker]

Zach I

Zach II

Zach III

Cas can DIE?! Say it ain't so!

Bobby, demoralized

Dean and Cas's mutual, pissy fatalism

Love blooming, personal space

You're not much fun, so why am I laughing so hard?

Dean's anxiety at being a vessel

Sam: Guess what? I'm a vessel, too! Everyone, please panic.

Recruiting Dean

So I don't lose them later...

Stupid amounts of having fun, though...

[cowboyhorsegirl]

Thots on the 5x04 versions of the main characters?

rip pamela, you would have loved cas' psychedelic orgies </3

[ghouli3s]

sam!lucifer and dean!michael can be so personal.

something about them and their true vessels.

[rowenalesbian]

AND CAME TO SAM AS JESS WHOSE DEATH HE FELT RESPONSIBLE FOR sorry samgirls

let's all remember that lucifer came to nick as his wife whose death he felt responsible for, came to vince vincente as his girlfriend whose death he felt responsible for, and came to dean as... :)

[aceofwhump]

Day 10: Alternate Prompt: Drugging

White Collar 5x04 | 9-1-1 Lone Star 4x04 | BBC Sherlock 3x01 | Lucifer 2x16 | NCIS 1x20 | Warehouse 13 3x07 | MacGyver 1x11 | The Mentalist 5x02 | Murdoch Mysteries 9x18 | Leverage: Redemption 1x09

@whumptober @whumptober-archive

[sampilled]

Sam and Lucifer//Lucifer's monologue in 5x04 "The End"

[marginofthought]

Okay but what if Sam was pregnant when he said yes to Lucifer in Detroit. Or maybe he was already pregnant when Dean left him in 5x04 and later miscarried due to the stress. What if Endverse Dean knew about this and blamed himself for leaving his brotherwife..

To the first part - I’m assuming you mean Endverse!Sam here (real Sam doesn’t have a physical body in hell so it’s difficult to know what might happen) but Endverse!Sam saying yes to Lucifer while pregnant - talk about bearing a devil's spawn. The righteous man’s offspring already tainted by the devil before it’s even born. And Lucifer would make sure that it would be born, maybe letting Sam see glimpses of it just to let him know that Lucifer was grooming Dean's child to be the perfect heir to Lucifer’s throne.

2. To the second part:

Sam is devastated, he had really hoped that Dean would see reason. They needed to stay together, to be stronger for the upcoming battle and well fuck, Sam needed to tell Dean about the pregnancy he had just found about.  But Dean doesn’t want him, obviously doesn't want their child and it hurts. It hurts too much but Sam can’t let the last thing he has of Dean go. 

And even when they’re hunting together again Sam knows that Dean doesn’t trust him anymore and he just can’t bring himself to tell Dean, worried and scared of his reaction. He’s not sure if he will be angry and demand Sam get rid of it or if he'd bench Sam again.

And when he miscarried he doesn’t tell Dean either, now even more scared of his reaction. It is however one of the leading reasons why he decides to say yes to Lucifer. If he can’t have Dean’s child, not good enough for it, the least he can do is assure that Dean has that opportunity with someone else, in a world that isn’t on the brink of collapse.

Endverse!Lucifer isn’t shy in telling Endverse!Dean what he lost and how he would have loved another Winchester to play with. Dean knows it’s his fault for pushing Sam away and not just supporting his brother when he needed him. He knows that it’s his fault that he lost not just his brother but also his child and the one shot at he had at an actually happy family.

He hides it under fury and righteousness but younger Dean can see through it, knows his own defensive mechanisms, his own hidden self-hatred.

Endverse!Dean doesn’t get to warn younger Dean before he gets killed by Lucifer and the archangel can get a rerun of one of his favorite moments: telling Dean he lost his child and brother to his own foolishness

[shinelikethunder]

kripke: show creator; seasons 1-5 showrunner; wrote or co-wrote 1x01 pilot, 1x02 wendigo, 1x09 home, 1x16 shadow, 1x22 devil’s trap, 2x01 in my time of dying, 2x22 all hell breaks loose part two, 3x01 the magnificent seven, 3x16 no rest for the wicked, 4x01 lazarus rising, 4x07 it's the great pumpkin, sam winchester, 4x10 heaven and hell (story), 4x22 lucifer rising, 5x01 sympathy for the devil, 5x09 the real ghostbusters, 5x22 swan song, 6x22 the man who knew too much; directed 2x20 what is and what should never be, 4x22 lucifer rising

gamble: seasons 6-7 showrunner; wrote or co-wrote 1x03 dead in the water, 1x12 faith, 1x14 nightmare, 1x21 salvation, 2x03 bloodlust, 2x08 crossroad blues, 2x13 houses of the holy, 2x17 heart, 2x21 all hell breaks loose part one, 3x02 the kids are alright, 3x07 fresh blood, 3x10 dream a little dream of me, 3x12 jus in bello, 3x15 time is on my side, 4x02 are you there god? it’s me, dean winchester, 4x09 i know what you did last summer, 4x17 it’s a terrible life, 4x21 when the levee breaks, 5x02 good god, y'all, 5x07 the curious case of dean winchester, 5x13 the song remains the same, 5x21 two minutes to midnight, 6x01 exile on main st, 6x11 appointment in samarra, 6x21 let it bleed, 7x01 meet the new boss, 7x10 death's door, 7x17 the born-again identity, 7x23 survival of the fittest

edlund: wrote 2x05 simon said, 2x12 nightshifter, 2x18 hollywood babylon, 3x03 bad day at black rock, 3x09 malleus maleficarum, 3x13 ghostfacers, 4x05 monster movie, 4x08 wishful thinking, 4x16 on the head of a pin, 5x04 the end, 5x10 abandon all hope, 5x14 my bloody valentine, 5x20 the devil you know, 6x03 the third man, 6x09 clap your hands if you believe, 6x15 the french mistake, 6x20 the man who would be king, 7x02 hello cruel world, 7x09 how to win friends and influence monsters, 7x15 repo man, 7x21 reading is fundamental, 8x05 blood brother, 8x13 everybody hates hitler, 8x21 the great escapist; directed 6x20 the man who would be king, 7x21 reading is fundamental

[deanstudies101]

5x04, The End

Critical theory: Hope. Devotion. Inevitability.

Key quotes: Dean, “Don’t ever change.” 

Further reading: "I like past you." (@subcas) vs. "I love past you." (@bloodydeanwinchester)

"Don't ever change." (@castielbabey)

Discussion: 

[When Dean is telling Sam they’re better off apart. Those are John’s words right out of his mouth.] 

Love future Cas. Don’t think it’s real. [Agree.] But we see a new version of him, an extreme version of him. It gives him depth. He may not be far down that axis, now or ever, but that axis exists. Zach definitely had a hand in crafting that, but there has to be some truth in that. How much Zach had a hand in it we’re not sure, but it certainly seems to play into Dean’s fears. That Cas exists to be wrong to Cas. This was a concoction to make Dean say yes, with some truth. Overall, this feels like it’s not completely real, but not completely fake. 

2014 Dean should’ve used 2009 Dean as a human shield is the leading thought. 

Saw the decision Dean makes coming from quite early on, because of course this would make Dean realise he needs to be close to Sam. [And you’ve been saying this for a while actually! Why would they send Sam off, unsupervised?] Bobby’s still would’ve been the best solution. It’s sad, because Dean felt so relieved to be apart from Sam, away from the reminder of (in his eyes) his failure. And now he feels like he has to be a babysitter forever, or the world will literally end. He can’t share this with anyone. He never asks for help, and the only person who even remotely understands is Bobby. It’s sad for him.

[Admittedly this episode is a slight spanner in the works for the “Cas is a homosexual” theory.] However, if this was crafted by Zach, it kinda makes sense actually… If it’s crafted for Dean to hate it… well… 

[I “like” past you.] That’s not an i. [What is it?] It’s an o. [It is an o.] [[They were silent for a long moment here. There were hands over mouths.]] That’s a really weird thing to say in this situation. [I’m gonna say, this is not the last time one of them said they love the other one and it gets cut/edited. The first. But not the last.] 

Jared's acting is jarring. Can’t tell if it’s a choice or bad acting. A lot of actors put their entire pussy into their ‘possessed’ version. Mary’s dad ate. Still think about that one. Probably helps that Azazel had a very distinctive character at that point, and Lucifer doesn’t yet. However… you’re being possessed by Lucifer. It should've been bigger. Lilith gives instant chills. Whatever actress, you instantly knew it was Lilith. Lucifer being the hallucinations is creepy. Lucifer possessing one of the brothers should've been a bigger performance, more impactful, more iconic. 

[Strangely, I don’t mind this performance? I think he did okay. I think it works. Like, in this moment, Lucifer has won. He just killed Dean. And then 2009 Dean shows up. So what? Like he says, killing 2009 Dean would be redundant. He doesn’t need to do any posturing. He doesn’t need to gloat. He just… won. This subtle, subdued version just works for me.]

Lucifer’s whole thing is convincing people. Subtle and seductive. But he should’ve been more charismatic. [But again, why? He doesn’t need to talk Dean into anything. He knows that whatever Dean does, Lucifer still wins. He won!] It would’ve been more fun to see a more charismatic possessed Sam. [I agree. But I do think it works here.] 

Feel bad for Sam. Sam feels like he’s been abandoned by Dean, and he’s very nervous, asking to be taken back. It’s “please let me come home, please don’t leave me.” It’s the flipside of “poor Dean having to babysit his brother”, but of course you feel bad for Sam. He’s always wanted to go off and be normal, and he just can’t. They are trapped in the narrative. 

Cas waiting there is really endearing. He doesn’t have anything else to do. We like him. [And I’m gonna say it. He’s autistic.] He didn’t want to be late. He had something to do in a few hours so he was kinda just waiting for it. Couldn’t do anything else. 

The way Cas looked at him at the end. He looks smitten. 

[I'll end with some words you may be familiar with already, in light of Dean's "Don't ever change."] [spoilers for 15x18]

Cas, "You're the most caring man on Earth. You are the most selfless, loving human being I will ever know. You know, ever since we met, ever since I pulled you out of Hell... Knowing you has changed me. Because you cared, I cared. I cared about you. I cared about Sam, I cared about Jack... I cared about the whole world because of you. You changed me, Dean."

[bedlund]

what is dta about you’ve probably said before and like i know it’s endverse but like i am soo confused by it

okay so it begins where 5x04 ends endverse dean is killed by lucifer regular dean is sent back to his own timeline but in the next moment regular dean reappears in the end times. except for regular dean it's actually been two years since the events of 5x04. and well you know. shenanigans occur

physically dta is about this but philosophically it's about this