#lucifer 5x04

[vendettasfanfictioning]

SUPERNATURAL SEASON 5 EPISODE 4: THE END. My beloved Supernatural Season 5 Episode 4: The End. You and your sexual tension and your, "woah, you're not you, not now you," and your, "me and him? It's a pretty messed up situation we got going," and your, "what? I like past you," and your, "you're gonna send your friends through the meat grinder? Cas too?" and your, "never change, Cas."

YOU and your two Deans who pissed off one another and fought. Your 2009 Dean who brought up Cas dying and it's the only thing that made 2014 Dean look away like maybe he couldn't keep up appearances for too long lest he cracked. Your destiel and your proof of Dean's growing love for Castiel. I love you Supernatural Season 5 Episode 4: The End!!!!!

[donteverchxnge]

a man of his word.

[astrylx]

Supernatural S.5 Ep.4 - The End - Liveblog

This episode appears to be a zombie episode. I am intrigued. I'm a very hit or miss person when it comes to zombie type stories. When I like them, they typically either satirize the genre or expand on science behind it. I'm expecting neither from Supernatural.

The demons have the Colt. Interesting. I'm curious how this is going to play out. I love Cas on the phone by the way. Is Castiel actually going to wait there all night?

SAM! He's telling Dean everything, is he? Fuck. The way Dean treats it too, I can't tell how he actually feels. If he's masking his emotions or he's just come to not be able to fully care because of everything that's happened. Or if he's shut himself out of feeling. I can't tell. But them acting like this with one another doesn't feel right.

"Stay away from each other for good." You can't mean that. You don't... actually mean that, right?

Is this Dean's way of protecting Sam, as he always has, as he has always done? Or is it his way of protecting himself?

Now is Dean going to see what it's like when he doesn't have Sam? Is this the Trickster again? Ngl, I kind of hope it is, because I absolutely adore the Trickster and want more of him. He's one of my favorite characters.

Croatoan... Whelp. That helps explain it. Makes sense too. I should have expected it, but I'm not going to lie, I kind of forgot that episode even though I really liked it. Probably because I watched it while sick. I wonder what this means for Sam though, because as previously established, Sam is immune. I also wonder if Dean is immune since even though he doesn't have demon blood, he is the vessel of Michael. I also wonder what demon released the virus. Setting my bets on either Lucifer or more likely, Meg.

Holy shit- the fucking military arsenal-

It's Zachariah, not Trickster. Fuck. Fuck that man, I hate him.

In this world Bobby is dead, isn't he? I hate that. I know eventually in this show Bobby will die, and when he does, that will probably be when this show actually makes me cry.

Castiel is in the photo? I'm confused. This episode is confusing me.

Dean just knocked out Dean? I am so confused.

As I proud hater of time travel (in almost all circumstances, Kurt Vonnegut with Billy being stuck in time, you are an exception), I am already not that big of a fan of this episode. It's two things I tend not to like in one: time travel and zombies. Yet we persist. So it goes.

So Sam is dead. Didn't Lucifer say he would revive him, though?

"You weren't with him?" Dean you literally hung up on him a few hours earlier. You said it was better off apart. No shit you weren't with him. Not to be a hater, of course. I understand how you're feeling. I can see the realization hitting your eyes. I'm assuming by Dean saying they haven't talked in five years that the call from earlier is the last time they talk. Which. Wow what a last talk.

CHUCK! I like Chuck. I don't fully trust him, he gives me odd vibes. I think he's more than we've been told. But I like him! Actually scratch that, idk if I like him because he talks to Becky and I fucking HATE Becky.

Cas sticking by Dean... Curious.

WTF HAPPENED TO CAS- WHAT- W H A T - I AM AGOG - I CAN'T- ORGY? I FEAR I HAVE TOTALLY LOST THE PLOT- I feel bad for him though because I can imagine everything it took to get him to that point.

The Colt.

Okay I think I'm getting it now. Sam isn't dead, Lucifer is in him, future Dean is going to use the Colt to kill Sam.

"Are you coming?" "Of course." Castiel... Oh Castiel...

I was right. Sam is now hosting Lucifer.

Future Dean does care. He wants current Dean not to repeat his mistakes. He wants Dean to say yes to Michael. Me personally, I don't think that's answer and I don't think that's what the priority should be. But hey, that's just me.

Hearing Cas talk like this is so weird to me.

Dean willing to use people as sacrifices... Yike.

SAM AS THE DEVIL HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT

I love that they have him in all white. Such a good touch.

This scene is done so incredibly well so far. Lucifer in all white, with the red rose between his fingers? If I had any faith in my art skills I'd draw that honestly. I'm loving the use of colour and framing.

Part of the reason to love humans is for their flaws in my humble opinion. I could go on a whole rant on this, I could. I won't. But I could.

The tears in Dean's voice, the look in Sam/Lucifer's eyes ACK.

"You will always end up here" see I could go on a whole theological/philosophical rant here, bring up topics of free will versus fate, quote some Nietzsche, quote some Calvinism, quote some Aristotle or the Mishnah, but y'all ain't here for that so...

"Nah" I love you, Dean Winchester.

Castiel pulling Dean out. Castiel in this season I could honestly write so much about, he's so interesting to me.

HE'S CALLING SAM HE'S CALLING SAM! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I always forget just how fucking tall Jared is. Him getting out of the car genuinely shocked me. Like I'm 5'6, he's terrifying to me.

That was a great ending to the episode, them reuniting. Having each other's back. Yea, they are each others weakness. That's part of being a sibling though. They're stronger together.

In all, this episode was not my favorite. Aside from Castiel, and the scene with Lucifer and Dean in the garden (which did give me garden of Eden vibes, I see you Supernatural show writers), I wouldn't watch this episode. I don't like zombie stories or time travel, and this episode did not break that trend. The last 10 minutes are okay though. That's what I'd watch again. That's what was important to me.

I'm done with Supernatural for today. Maybe I'll watch some more tomorrow. It's supposed to snow overnight, I don't believe that. It basically never snows here. Anyway. Have a great night y'all.

[beautysurvives]

hit me today while reading the script for The End how many details from Endverse 2014 also happen in the Canon 2014 timeline.

Cas becoming human, Cas kinda sorta being a cult leader, Dean turning into a worse more violent version of himself, Dean torturing people again, his relationship with Sam falling apart culminating in Dean’s death at the hands of an almost unkillable, Godlike enemy….

Not that I know what any of it means but

[onespncap]

s05e04 -- "The End"

[littlebluejaydraws]

He can't do this, he can't survive this, no one could expect it of him. He can't. He can't. Map of the World, Chapter 1

ID: Image compiling multiple rough digital sketches. The bottom sketch shows Cas in profile, on his knees, sobbing into one hand. Above his head and back are the words "It's forever in here", surrounded by flames. Above this is a sketch of Lucifer in Sam's body, wearing a white suit and looking down. Behind the sketch of Lucifer is a close up of the scene of Lucifer breaking Dean's neck from episode 5x04 of Supernatural. Under Lucifer's heel, is a sketch of Bobby's wheelchair, on its side with bullet holes in the back. Above Dean's head, there is a sketch showing bullet holes in a wall. The colours are black, white, and pink/red. End ID.

[sammy-the-boyking]

white suit lucifer!sam you will always be famous 🫶

[aremyia]

me and the devil

[shallowseeker]

Zach I

Zach II

Zach III

Cas can DIE?! Say it ain't so!

Bobby, demoralized

Dean and Cas's mutual, pissy fatalism

Love blooming, personal space

You're not much fun, so why am I laughing so hard?

Dean's anxiety at being a vessel

Sam: Guess what? I'm a vessel, too! Everyone, please panic.

Recruiting Dean

So I don't lose them later...

Stupid amounts of having fun, though...

[cowboyhorsegirl]

Thots on the 5x04 versions of the main characters?

rip pamela, you would have loved cas' psychedelic orgies </3

[ghouli3s]

sam!lucifer and dean!michael can be so personal.

something about them and their true vessels.

[rowenalesbian]

AND CAME TO SAM AS JESS WHOSE DEATH HE FELT RESPONSIBLE FOR sorry samgirls

let's all remember that lucifer came to nick as his wife whose death he felt responsible for, came to vince vincente as his girlfriend whose death he felt responsible for, and came to dean as... :)

[sampilled]

Sam and Lucifer//Lucifer's monologue in 5x04 "The End"

[marginofthought]

Okay but what if Sam was pregnant when he said yes to Lucifer in Detroit. Or maybe he was already pregnant when Dean left him in 5x04 and later miscarried due to the stress. What if Endverse Dean knew about this and blamed himself for leaving his brotherwife..

To the first part - I’m assuming you mean Endverse!Sam here (real Sam doesn’t have a physical body in hell so it’s difficult to know what might happen) but Endverse!Sam saying yes to Lucifer while pregnant - talk about bearing a devil's spawn. The righteous man’s offspring already tainted by the devil before it’s even born. And Lucifer would make sure that it would be born, maybe letting Sam see glimpses of it just to let him know that Lucifer was grooming Dean's child to be the perfect heir to Lucifer’s throne.

2. To the second part:

Sam is devastated, he had really hoped that Dean would see reason. They needed to stay together, to be stronger for the upcoming battle and well fuck, Sam needed to tell Dean about the pregnancy he had just found about.  But Dean doesn’t want him, obviously doesn't want their child and it hurts. It hurts too much but Sam can’t let the last thing he has of Dean go. 

And even when they’re hunting together again Sam knows that Dean doesn’t trust him anymore and he just can’t bring himself to tell Dean, worried and scared of his reaction. He’s not sure if he will be angry and demand Sam get rid of it or if he'd bench Sam again.

And when he miscarried he doesn’t tell Dean either, now even more scared of his reaction. It is however one of the leading reasons why he decides to say yes to Lucifer. If he can’t have Dean’s child, not good enough for it, the least he can do is assure that Dean has that opportunity with someone else, in a world that isn’t on the brink of collapse.

Endverse!Lucifer isn’t shy in telling Endverse!Dean what he lost and how he would have loved another Winchester to play with. Dean knows it’s his fault for pushing Sam away and not just supporting his brother when he needed him. He knows that it’s his fault that he lost not just his brother but also his child and the one shot at he had at an actually happy family.

He hides it under fury and righteousness but younger Dean can see through it, knows his own defensive mechanisms, his own hidden self-hatred.

Endverse!Dean doesn’t get to warn younger Dean before he gets killed by Lucifer and the archangel can get a rerun of one of his favorite moments: telling Dean he lost his child and brother to his own foolishness

[shinelikethunder]

kripke: show creator; seasons 1-5 showrunner; wrote or co-wrote 1x01 pilot, 1x02 wendigo, 1x09 home, 1x16 shadow, 1x22 devil’s trap, 2x01 in my time of dying, 2x22 all hell breaks loose part two, 3x01 the magnificent seven, 3x16 no rest for the wicked, 4x01 lazarus rising, 4x07 it's the great pumpkin, sam winchester, 4x10 heaven and hell (story), 4x22 lucifer rising, 5x01 sympathy for the devil, 5x09 the real ghostbusters, 5x22 swan song, 6x22 the man who knew too much; directed 2x20 what is and what should never be, 4x22 lucifer rising

gamble: seasons 6-7 showrunner; wrote or co-wrote 1x03 dead in the water, 1x12 faith, 1x14 nightmare, 1x21 salvation, 2x03 bloodlust, 2x08 crossroad blues, 2x13 houses of the holy, 2x17 heart, 2x21 all hell breaks loose part one, 3x02 the kids are alright, 3x07 fresh blood, 3x10 dream a little dream of me, 3x12 jus in bello, 3x15 time is on my side, 4x02 are you there god? it’s me, dean winchester, 4x09 i know what you did last summer, 4x17 it’s a terrible life, 4x21 when the levee breaks, 5x02 good god, y'all, 5x07 the curious case of dean winchester, 5x13 the song remains the same, 5x21 two minutes to midnight, 6x01 exile on main st, 6x11 appointment in samarra, 6x21 let it bleed, 7x01 meet the new boss, 7x10 death's door, 7x17 the born-again identity, 7x23 survival of the fittest

edlund: wrote 2x05 simon said, 2x12 nightshifter, 2x18 hollywood babylon, 3x03 bad day at black rock, 3x09 malleus maleficarum, 3x13 ghostfacers, 4x05 monster movie, 4x08 wishful thinking, 4x16 on the head of a pin, 5x04 the end, 5x10 abandon all hope, 5x14 my bloody valentine, 5x20 the devil you know, 6x03 the third man, 6x09 clap your hands if you believe, 6x15 the french mistake, 6x20 the man who would be king, 7x02 hello cruel world, 7x09 how to win friends and influence monsters, 7x15 repo man, 7x21 reading is fundamental, 8x05 blood brother, 8x13 everybody hates hitler, 8x21 the great escapist; directed 6x20 the man who would be king, 7x21 reading is fundamental

[autisticandroids]

1 4 17 22 for ask meme

the last sentence you wrote

so the last thing i was doing was Not writing whole sentences i was doing final edit so i was like adding bits and pieces and rephrasing stuff but i think the last sentence i edited was

Sucks Cas’ lip, tastes the sickness, loses himself totally.

4. a story idea you haven’t written yet

one of these days i'm gonna write an endverse fic where after the events of 5x04, cas (the sole survivor of that hospital) and lucifer live in an empty compound together surrounded by nothing. because cas is luficer's last brother, even if they are on opposite sides, and it's not like cas can do anything to lucifer at this point. so luficer just keeps cas for company. and they take turns sitting by dean's never rotting body in a snow white style glass coffin. cas for destiel reasons obviously and lucifer because he will never see michael again.

17. talk about your writing and editing process

so if you've read anything i've written you'll know i tend to write in little vignettes separated by -. and the deal with those is that first i write all of the ones that i'm thinking of, like, in my head. the ones i'm writing the fic to express. then i rearrange them to make more sense and flow better. then i add a lot of connective tissue, like other vignettes that i feel bridge some gap mechanically or thematically. and i keep doing this until it all feels good. and of course i'm constantly rephrasing and reworking sentences and paragraphs the whole time i write, like people tell you not to.

i also tend to find the themes and motifs in the edit? like when i reread my work, i tend to find interesting wording i used, or compelling dialogue, or an image, or a word, and say to myself: oh, i need to emphasize and echo this throughout the text. like for example, it's fresh in my mind, about a day before the deadline i noticed that dean was having a bit of a germaphobic freakout at the end of surveil and punish, so i was like oh i need to make this a theme, this ties together a lot of what i'm working with (dean's desire for control, dean's disgust at cas' desire and his own repressed desire, the concept of "cleansing the world" through violence, etc.) so i wrote like three extra mini scenes which involved dean cleaning, and added a reference to him bleaching something in another scene. but that's totally a theme that i found in the edit. and i know i do that all the time but mostly i don't actually remember what it is i find in the edit and what was there from the start yk.

22. do you ever worry about public reaction to what you’re writing? how do you get past that?

oh all the time. and there's like three levels on which i worry.

the first is the very simple and obvious one. is i worry no one will pay attention to my work. which i think everyone experiences. this is funny because it's like a much bigger worry for me when i feel like something is going to be popular or "should" be?

so for example, my fic enjoying it. that is a fic for *no one.* like it's a ship between two female characters who never even met set in a canon divergence au that i made up in my mind and requires you to read like a 2k word primer post on my blog to get. and they don't even fuck they just like flirt. and it's like 400 words. all of that means that this is, fundamentally, a fic no one is gonna read. it exists only for my own edification. because *i* like it. and you know, no one read it. and that's fine! i am actually fine with that.

but on the other hand. my fic so much smoke in a hall of mirrors. that's a fic that i expected to be quite popular. in my head i call fic like that "commercial," which is me being somewhat tongue in cheek but basically the requirements to be commercial are: destiel (as opposed to a rarepair) or dean-focused gen, nothing too freaky, nothing too dark, nothing too deancrit. and in that sense i would call smsiahom (man. try saying that out loud) very commercial. so i worried a lot about whether people would read it, essentially because i was frustrated that i hadn't published it the previous year when the audience was still there.

so i do worry about that. and i just deal with it by gritting my teeth. but i also worry about other things.

a big one is obviously like "is this cancelbait." like "will someone read this and then decide i'm the devil and stalk me with harassment for the next ten years," or, more likely, "will someone who already hates me use this as ammunition in a smear campaign." i worry about that a lot less these days, mostly for two reasons. first, i've already been the target of several callout posts in this fandom for some level of wincest adjacency. the battle lines have been drawn, i think most people who are going to get mad at me are already mad and already have their ammo, and in the end it just wasn't that bad. second, and this is probably much more important: people in the supernatural fandom ONLY care if something is incest, they don't care at all about any other "problematic" element. and i'm generally not too interested in writing about incest. so i've realized that i'm bulletproof and can write as much violent and sexually violent porn as i like because incest is the only thing people in this fandom think about lol.

but then there's the third thing i worry about, which is: i'm scared of being misinterpreted. personally i value a level of subtlety and indirection in my work, and i also value complexity where no one is exactly a hero or villain. even the nicest characters can be assholes and even the biggest assholes are still sympathetic. and obviously i don't always pull this off! but it's what i'm going for, i think more than a lot of other fanfiction authors are. i try not to state my point, i try to leave things implied, i try to make my narrators a little unreliable, etc.

but then the problem becomes: what if people Don't Get It. what if they Don't Get My Point. and this is both on like a basic quality control level because like, i read, i know how often i miss crucial details by reading too fast and get way lost. and also i know sometimes that *i* feel like something is implied because it's something i am So So Aware Of At All Times. but it's not actually in the text when other people read it lol.

but then there's also the fact that my work isn't just creative writing, it's analytical. like i'm using the creative medium to Make Points About The Text. and what if people think i'm making a point that's wrong! what if someone who disagrees with me reads my fic and thinks i'm agreeing with them! this isn't hypothetical, i have gotten nice comments from people whose blog urls make me silently seethe with rage just to look at. though i mostly don't worry about those people, i worry about, for lack of a better word, "normies" who won't pick up on some of my darker implications.

the way i deal with this is mostly by gritting my teeth, but i also deal by getting my shit beta'd and asking people questions. that's not foolproof bc the friends i have to beta my shit are like very privy to my general opinions and thought processes and body of work so they probably get stuff better than the general audience. but it's enough, imo.