#loved the show until nabrina became thing

[aenslem]

spoilers for caos part 3: aka now i really do not expect anything from this show and im pissed off.

“Well what does Madam Satan do during all this you say? Well, not much. Like a Cersei Lannister in last season of Game of Thrones, Michelle Gomez stands around doing nothing, looking gorgeous and wearing a badass gown. It seems that despite her great character development in part two, Madam Satan is not given much to do and it’s disappointing. Watching her journey from being Satan’s right hand to uprising against him was one of the best plots in part two and fans were expecting to see her embrace power and actually use it in the new part, but besides her occasional advice giving sessions with Sabrina as her Evil Godmother, Madam Satan doesn’t have much to do. “

shortly, they just threw another Michelle Gomez character development out of window this year, what a fucking great year! i swear, if DW will not make it up i will stab someone! They had such an amazing character there and they do literally nothing with it, but it gets better! Remember how much chemistry Michelle and Miranda had on screen from ONE scene? How one tiny scene, where nothing happens fired so hard the most talked ship out there became Madam Spellman while kids were fighting over Harbrina or Nabrina. 

read this:

" There is also the new addition of Mambo Marie (an enchanting performance by Skye P. Marshall), a voodoo witch from New Orleans that helps Prudence and Ambrose find Father Blackwood. We first see Mambo Marie earlier in the season, not to be seen again until a few episodes later. She is a refreshing addition to the world of witches. Her practises and rituals are unknown to the coven, which is where the newly appointed High Priestess Zelda enter the picture. Zelda being the tough disagreeable witch she is, does not appreciate this new witch’s practices. But even Zelda Spellman cannot resist Mambo Marie’s beauty and charm. It doesn’t take long before the two hit it off so well that Prudence is giving them “Get a room!” eyes. The chemistry between Otto and Marshall is so incredible that you can cut the sexual tension with a knife. Despite being a show about witches and women’s rise to power, Sabrina has been lacking a lesbian couple and it is beautiful to finally see that happen.”

LOOK i have nothing against that woman yet, she is beautiful, and i would love to see her in lesbian activity with anyone lol and more than that, i would love to see Zee in lesbian activity with anyone, BUT don’t you think it’s a little bit unfair for everyone who shipped madam spellman so far??

what this article says, is that mambo marie gonna help coven with figuring out some shit and new additional rituals and all, she will help them... but, excuse me, you literally have a character who knows more than anyone about witches, rituals, demons, hell, who was there from the beginning of time, the first damn witch after all that you will not use at all, but will let her be somewhere on the background to play evil godmomma to a teen, and also who had a two? or three scenes with Miranda and you needed not a knife but a fucking double swords of Prudence to cut that tension. But instead, you throw a new character and start new relationship, in which Zelda does not appreciate new character, wait, remind me who she did not appreciate before? oh sorry, we have to forget that character exists for now and wait till Sabrina needs an advice. huh ok. great.

again, this is not about mambo spellman and i do not have anything against it, im sure i will enjoy performance of both those women, because i already know Mirands is fantastic and I am 100% sure Skye will be amazing, but it feels like a slap from the universe. 

You could USE Lilith for helping the coven, if she doesn’t get to do anything else in part 3, and you could start a lesbian couple there with them and there would be a point in it, which we all wanted, if there is a point in a new character who Zelda doesn’t appreciate and who knows stuff like Lilith, and it would not look like fan service, if there is a point. 

idk guys, i feel down af and feel like im betrayed by the universe once again. I was ok with Madam Spellman not happening, but this feels so much worse because we get something we could really have with MS but for some reasons it’s a new character with Zelda instead and Lilith stays outside of everything that happens in part 3 and is used as an evil godmother of Sabrina only, she doesn’t even gets to fight for her throne and crown, which i already predicted before, she is doing nothing... I thought if it will not happen they will be doing their jobs, high priestess and queen, but this is kinda unfair. I am just sad about it. CAOS was disappointing in a lot of things, but this one really hits hard.

we have not seen this part yet, but from this review it feels like creators are saying to me: yeah you know, we heard you, you can have what you wanted for so long but with another character instead. 

and now, it’s not because of not getting madam spellman, it’s because they give us madam spellman kinda thing instead, and now i really do not expect anything from this show. they literally wrote that Michelle Gomez will do nothing there, that pissed me off.

[overcaffeinated-creative]

Nabrina Shala

(More Information Under Cut)

Biographical Information

Homeworld: Ryloth

Born: 49 BBY

Physical Description

Species: Twi'lek

Gender: Female

Height: 1.52 Meters

Mass: 54.4 Kilograms

Hair Color: N/A

Eye Color: Yellow

Skin Color: Dark Red

Notable Features: - Lethan Twi'lek - Eyebrows Painted on as Dots - Lighter red dappling along lekku and extremities - Hourglass Figure

Short Biography

Nabrina was born on Ryloth in the slums of Lessu to a deadbeat father and overworked mother. No memory of her father could ever count as a good one. He was hungover (from alcohol or spice), out cheating on her mother, or gambling what little money the family had away. Meanwhile her mother worked many double shifts as a diner waitress to make ends meet. After her father became indebted to the loanshark her mother was put to work as entertainment in a local Spice Den. It was here she worked until her death when Nabrina was ten.

Against all odds, spunky young Nabrina fought for her future. All of her hard work was rewarded with a full ride to one of the local universities to study. Studying hard in her classes she hoped to one day become a teacher to help the less fortunate rise. While working at her part-time job as a waitress/bartender for an upscale club she met her future husband. In spite of being madly in love the two had to keep their love secret until she graduated. He was a professor at the very school she attended. After her graduation the two happily wed relocated to the small city of Nabt. For three years, everything carried on far better than she could have ever dreamed of. They adopted a kath-hound puppy, began planning for children, and even began to foster a darling little boy.

When tragedy finally struck it hit her family hard. Nabrina had left in the late afternoon for a doctor’s appointment and was to return home with great news: she was two months pregnant! However, the scene she arrived home to was grizzly. The family pet was dead, her husband unconscious, and their future son gone. It turned out the child’s biological father had sold him to Slavers. Aware of their location, hired thugs showed up to collect what they considered theirs. While fruitless searching for their lost son yet more horror struck. Their speeder was struck in an accident killing her husband and causing her to miscarry.

Drifting throughout the Galaxy for several years she finally came to reside on Krownest. The snowy landscape reminding her nothing of the home she left behind. Knowing her degree would be less credible here she took up bartending again. It would do enough while she finally worked to move forward with her life.

Random Facts and Trivia

- Everything about Nabrina Shala, including her name, is a complete lie. Her real name is Ivaadi Rihe, she was born on Coruscant, and raised her entire life within the Jedi Temple. She has never known any of the hardships she claims.

- Ivaadi’s real business on Krownest has nothing to do with personal recovery and growth. With war brewing within the Galaxy’s near future the Republic wants to make sure Mandalore stays in line. To do so she is tasked with keeping enough social dishevel going to prevent a united front against the Republic approved New Mandalorians. If she can suss out the dealings of the smugglers in what is quickly becoming a shadowport then all the better.

- Her main means of warfare within the sector is the Holonet. Ivaadi runs several blogs, under various names, that focus on keeping the New Mandalorians united while promoting a zero tolerance rule toward any dissenting ideas. While her personas (and as a personal ideology) admit to some flaws in the current system she offers solution. No matter what they do the Pacifist's Way is better than the Imperialistic Mandalore of the Past.

- In her day to day life, Ivaadi frequently trues to sway others to her way of thinking. A prime target of such attempts became Mirdala Nau, an area favorite and Junior Constable of the New Mandalorian System. The fact she cannot get a read on Nau’s mind or emotional state due to heavy mental barriers, as well as her clear Force Sensitivity, makes her even more of a target. Thus, she moves to inflirate her group of friends and co-workers as well.

- Ivaadi’s favorite thing to decry the Mandalorians of Old include the now limited resources of their planets as well as the Battle of Cathar. The fact such battle happened all the way during the Mandalorian Wars mean nothing because of the brutality exhibited. They murdered 90% of the entire Cathar species for nothing.

- No part of Ivaadi see’s anything wrong with current levels of censorship within the Mandalore Sector. To her, keeping down Problematic Ideas while pushing the better one’s forward make sense. If some toes get stepped what’s the real hurt? To the Galaxy at large Mandalore is finally looking civilized.

- In combat, she favors Hand-to-Hand and Force Powers over a lightsaber. A bitter truth is a much better shot than a duelist and frankly is terrible at shooting too. Hit and Run Tactics are the best she can do when cornered on her own.

- Ivaadi knows people find her “exotic” and “alluring” and frequently attempts to play it to her advantage. Occasionally it even works but almost entirely on non-locals.

- The entire reason she applies her eyebrows as dots is to look “mysterious”.

- Among the Order she would be classified as a Sentinel and often toes the line between investigator and spy. Mandalore is her first truly long term mission including an indefinite end date.

- One of her flaws was taking Mirdala’s Sephi appearance at face value. It never crossed her mind that she could be part-Kiffar or even be in possession of their Touch Telepathy ability. Therefore her cover as a spy was blown the first time Mirdala read something of hers. Whatever goals she accomplishes is because she being used to bait our the bigger fish.

- Ivaadi at the Temple:

[habrina-was-wronged]

[habrina-was-wronged]

I don't ship Nabrina

(not after getting my heartbroken by mf part 4 where nick becomes a harvey clone basically, saying and doing all the adorkable things harvey has said or done. "jock nick" was not what i was promised after hanging in there when the show became so forgettable after part 1. no witch hunter storyline. no habrina... just fcking harvalind that was just a secondhand sabrina with harvey that couldn't possibly measure up.. she never even told harvey about her vision of agatha and dorcas. they made each other worse.

nabrina was mostly just fan service and the writers thinking that giernan fans and gavin leatherwood fans would make them more money in the long run... the show now completely forgotten when it had so much potential. only really remembered by the nabrina fans who "won" in the end... no part 5. kiernan now looks older so there's almost no chance of that happening at some point.. meaningless ending since sabrina is still coming back. it was more just to j*rk off the nabrina fans just one last time.

the riverdale crossover episode was more just a promo for sabrina coming back in that comic book by r*berto.

i honestly wish i never watched the show in the beginning when it has continuously disappointed me and so many... it could have been so great.

Habrina should have gotten a second chance. i don't care if it would have ended up with harvey and nick BOTH dating sabrina at the same time. That would have been better that was happened in part 4 which was just bad fan fiction imo and made the show be remembered as a "Netflix experiment that never took off")

And I hated the lust that was obvious between sabrina and nick, that made her forget about harvey "so easily" in caos. i guess in a way a witch is suppose to think about her immortality and about sex, rather than about relationships in general. lust is very easy. especially for witches. everyone saw that in caos. but love is much more complicated. that's where nabrina failed imo mostly because it was based on lust, infatuations, survivor's guilt and the need for "normalcy" when you are in fact broken by trauma but would rather pretend everything is fine than to deal with and face reality. Save face. Like the witches of Greendale were prone to do.

I don't ship nabrina. But that doesn't mean that you can't.

[habrina-was-wronged]

a caos related conversation

AO3 writer: I don't think the show became forgettable after Part 1; I really love Parts 2 & 3 both. Part 4 was a misstep but I genuinely love the show up until that point, and I don't think a bad final season erases everything that came before it. I wasn't particularly bothered by some of the things that bothered you, because I had no interest in a witch hunter storyline. I was disappointed Harvey and Sabrina were never revisited after all the hinting that they would be, but I ship every permutation of Nick/Sabrina/Harvey equally. I love Nick and Sabrina; I don't think they were just fan service. And there's no telling what the future holds. It isn't like Kiernan is 45, she's only 22. I think she could pass as a TV teen in Hollywood for a few more years, lol. Kind of harsh to say it's forgotten or never took off when it was pretty successful and there are clearly still fans. I mean, I'm here. It's not my intention to write this out of bitterness and disappointment, but out of love for the characters and the world of the show, which are things that make me happy despite being imperfect.

Me: I disagree. After part 1 everything changed direction. Many story lines were dropped. The witch hunter story line should have at least lead to some kind of confrontation between Harvey and the witches who tried to kill him and killed his brother. Roz saw a vision, never told Harvey. Sabrina knew this. And yet, he remains oblivious and while being a main character... Was treated as a shitty background character with barely a story line. And part 2 was absolutely fan service. With the actor that playing Nick being a "internet boyfriend" so obviously he was treated more as a main character. I'm sure the nabrina fans on social media made that decision more "obvious". Part 3 was more like Riverdale than it needed to be.

Yes, Kiernan looks young. But she doesn't look like she did when part 4 was filmed. Anyone can see that based on what she looked like in the episode of Riverdale when she shows up. (Or a version of her shows up.) so time has past. A lot of time. There's some chance for a movie or something but when the showrunner has focused his attention on Nancy Drew (which has basically a version of sabrina as nancy and a harvey lookalike as ace being a couple) and riverdale (which is rumored to end after season 7, but i wouldn't say it's written in stone yet.) I doubt it would happen, or happen any time soon. I'd love a reboot of caos. post part 5, since that's coming out in a comic book soon-ish. everyone in their 20s. a lot of things could have changed for everyone.

And it's NOT MY opinion that caos is forgettable, since i was or in a way am a fan. it's just the general opinion. I've seen many who don't even know that chilling adventures of sabrina was a show, most think it was a web series at some point.

In the end of part 4. i saw two broken people. sabrina after being told that she can't cry while being a queen. seeing the world. seeing people around her happy while she felt lonely and "misplaced". Nick, while appearing his bad boi self from part 2, was in many ways still very much traumatized. there was no way he wasn't. otherwise his personality wouldn't make such a dramatic 180 change in such a short time span (other than by the power of bad writing ofc) so him acting the way he thinks sabrina wants him too.. well, that's a red flag about his state of mind if i have ever seen one. Acting more mortal. Acting more like her ex. Becoming a "jock"... Although that might of been more fan-service since lots of nabrina fans really liked the nick from sabrina's nightmare in part 1. What's even more of red flag, was the fact that he more or less committed suicide after her death, rather than using his knowledge of necromancy to try and bring sabrina back. in the original ending, at least Zelda Spellman tries to make a deal to bring her niece back to life. I'm not surprised.

The show had potential. I know it. but at every turn, all those story lines that were left in the air. all those details that fans noticed. all the things that didn't make sense. Sabrina didn't notice that she had the void inside her between the time she was brought back and her 17th birthday. Nick didn't stop her when she left to protect those she loved while the void fed on her.

in fact, i was half expecting God, the trinket man(who could be god or some other creature) or even Hecate (i heard she was suppose to be a villain in part 5) to be behind sabrina's poor decisions. Or nick's "harveylike transformation". Probably not. Just bad writing.

I still can't believe that harvalind got to have the conversation that habrina was suppose to have. about her being a witch. i still can't believe that roz never told harvey about her vision. i meant, he sat at the table at sabrina's 17th birthday. with agatha RIGHT THERE. and never knew. if he ever found out, he'd be devastated, i understand that. but keeping it a secret from him is worse. not that anyone cares since the writers pretty much made harvey into a really bad character, that was not treated as a main character. like at all.

in fact, none of the "mortal" friends got any kind of storyline. And that really sucks.

I liked nick. But not with sabrina. Only as a friend. In fact I was half expecting nick to become interested in Roz after finding out that she was a seer. I think THEY had more in common than Sabrina and Nick ever have had. Nick brings out sabrina's witchy dark side... But she needs to stay stable. He didn't stop Sabrina from flying off the roof in front of mortals. Something he must of know was wrong. But Harvey kept her stable. Saved her from making that mistake. Of all the "love interests" of Sabrina's (nick, caliban and harvey) Harvey is the only one who's seen Sabrina as "the dark lord's sword" so i can't agree with you that Harvey only sees one side of Sabrina. He doesn't. He sees her. And in many ways, they think alike. Prioritizing the people they love and the world. Nick does not. He never has. He's been just devoted to Sabrina. And although very sweet, it was never what she needed.

The thing is, Sabrina could have done a lot. Like gone after the witches council. Or resurrect the witches that were killed by Blackwood. But in the end I felt she wanted to fit in, in the witch world more than change anything for the better. Part of that was because of Nick and her family. She had always been "the halfbreed" something she was reminded of a lot. But as soon as she broke off from Harvey, her mortal friends, her mortal school and basically everything that made her unique and interesting, she just became like any other basic witch. Boring. Kinda average. Compared to the other witches, she's kinda below average. Proven and shown every time she tries to up against something: infernal principal, resurrection of Tommy, the void etc. If she had Harvey, she would have learned to accept herself as a half breed. That was where her strength was. Rather than just focus on being a witch. It was tragic that while with Nick she just lost sight of that. She just became... Like everyone else. Became the witch her family wanted her to be. The witch Nick wanted her to be.

That's what part 2, part 3 and part 4 did to her. Made her a worse character. Not just problematic. Not just relatable. It erased everything iconic about her. And she was happy that she fit in. That she had a warlock boyfriend that she didn't have to hide her magic from out of fear of rejection. She was just another member of her coven. Nothing really legendary about her. Other than what she done I guess. And then she died.

That's what hurts the most. Not just the rewritten nabrina, to be more like what harvey and sabrina once was. although that hurt a lot too.

But I see where you're coming from. i guess. Sorry for writing such a long reply.

(btw no idea why i thought RAS was behind nancy drew. maybe because ace is so much like harvey and there's a character that's named nick, plus that character that was nancy's love interest who was very similar to nick scratch. i was sleep deprived when i wrote this.)