#loki fantheory

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SPOILERS AHEAD FOR LOKI

maybe the reason why loki and mobius didnt end up together is because loki had to resolve within himself never to return to his previous life to keep all life and yggdrasil functioning and working in perfect balance.

Not that this matured and aged version of loki would abandon his post, at this point we know he wouldnt. But mobius might try to seek him out in his grief, unfolding the work loki did as god and yggdrasil and causing a whole slew of new issues. It was too much for the pacing to get done and execute the idea well.

The point of the show wasnt the romance it was the character development and redeption that led to loki sacrificing his life to become time immemorial. It wouldnt have made sense if we had just skipped to another marvel characters story and he was just in the tree w no explanation.

they took the time to carefully map out and coordinate how he got there and why and most importantly why he has stopped running and vying for power altogether because that is NOT who we know him to be.

mobius cant be with him as he is right now because loki had to do this first.

[glorioustidalwavedefendor]

Because children of Asgard don't wear armor. Say what you want about Asgard's values, but children are protected there from being little soldiers.

OMG

I figured it out

Sylvie isn't Loki

She is Hela

-> Theer are fantheories that Frigga isn't Helas mom

But due to some issue she ended up in the Loki spot of her timeline and that's the reason she needed to get prooned

Can we agree that sylvie is the best Loki it was because she rejects herself as Loki and hate being Loki it's so stupid?

Reject yourself is not make you be better version of yourself, being the best version of yourself is meant accepting everything about you, the best and the worst, take responsibility all your actions and be better or not getting worse. That is meaning the best version of yourself.

And sylvie is not the best Loki, she literally definition of the worst version of loki (it's has nothing to do with gender) . Let's recap so called superior loki, she's not super smart, she's not powerful she's not kind and polite she's not mischief, she's not chaming, she's not even trying be better for herself.

And no no no, don't justify 'she hard life ' so? She not event trying behave , she no want take responsibility her actions and make it worse she keep blaming everyone even that is problems he cause. So is that called superior/best version of Loki?

And for record it was okey being mean and selfish character but the problem is that showrunner keep shoving to our face that sylvie is the best and she hero while the whole scenes showing that she's nothing and the worst uninteresting character ever made.

Make me really questioned why she exist in first place anyway? When she end up like this

What is frustrating is that it doesn't make sense, or at least it is never given a solid reason why Sylvie would reject being Loki. What is the concept of being Loki to her?

Loki does have a concept of himself as a figure. He is recognized as a god on Earth, and he has legends and stories about him. He has a reputation on Asgard itself and he is aware that people perceive him in a certain way. But Sylvie doesn't have that, she was taken as a child and never would see the impression she got in others' eyes.

The only negative perception of being "Loki" would be coming from the TVA, the fascists who are tormenting her. Why would she care what they thought? Moreover, they're hunting her because of a variant, not because she's Loki and she still calls herself the goddess of mischief. She rejects Loki while still claiming the moniker of Loki. That be like if there was a Peter Parker who said his name was Joe, but he was still Spider-Man and still defined himself as the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.

Sylvie is just rejecting her given name, because…. But her story isn't rejecting being the villains in the story or rejecting traits people attribute her, she just doing stuff and doesn't care about anything but her own personal goals.

So, there is no in-universe reason to reject being "Loki" while still acting the way she does. The explanation is that out of universe reason, the creators think "Loki" is something bad and to be rejected.

[jesafan]

Frigga a TVR Agent???

.....Wait a minute

~ LOKI SERIES CONSPIRACY THEORY ~

Ok crazy fan theory here, but just imagine: Frigga knew she was going to die in Dark World because she was either a TVA agent or a deviant herself. 

Ok so we saw in...End Game I think it was that Frigga knew she was going to die on the day of the Dark Elf invasion. I know in the lore she was Seer abilities and all that - but that’s boring and done and just IMAGINE if she had a whole secret past we knew nothing about. 

We don’t really know what TVR does with their Deviants (besides disintegrating them with a magic shusher stick - speaking of which what is with the magic stick of destiny thing going on, first Home then Ragnorak...wierd. Anyway: ) so it COULD be possible that Frigga was pulled into the TVR and worked for them the way they’re getting Loki to. OR she could have already been an Agent of some sort, and maybe met Odin who himself was a deviant. 

Imagine the fanfic potential here people! Frigga with a cool backstory, possible star-crossed lovers trope between her and Odin - endless possibilities here! 

[that-damn-girl]

When Natasha died in Endgame, Thor didn’t actually believe she was dead because he though they could bring her back with the stones.  Do you ever think he had thought about bringing Loki back the same way when the time heist was being planned, but his heart got crushed again once he realised it wasn’t possible?

[naiadseye]

What if : orthogonal gems in Marvel's infinity war

Gems that had powers in different orthogonal spaces would have required less suspension of disbelief (I know, I know the fun is in the suspension of disbelief, not the minimisation of it).

Everyone having their own axis where they can play around with power. Different superheroes functioning in different dimensions. Some sense of the universe playing kinda fairly (atleast mathematically) in the dispersal of power.

What would that do? How would superheroes fight with each other if their domains are orthogonal? Could there be meta dimensions as grounds for interaction and war and love? They're fighting in our dimension coz that's all we see, they could be fighting in meta dimensions that we can't even possibly imagine. How would that play out? Help me work it out, you guys?

For one, the length of the story would have depended on which theory of the physical world you subscribe to - the one with 4 dimensions or 22? I'd be happy with more :)

Mere mortals don't even know of the wars happening in dimensions beyond ours. That is the real story. There's life as I'm leading it. And there's life beyond the dimensions I do not see. The superheroes really do exist, I just don't see them, I don't have the capabilities. Sounds like the makings of an interesting story, eh?

(Suspended physics, logic, canon and diseblief for this - so don't hate on me :P )

[dkettchen]

Loki didn’t know Hulk was on Sakaar, Thor knows that Loki is sitting up there with the GM, and doesn’t seem too mad about it, leading me to believe that Loki didn’t just abandon trying to get him out of there to try and get another infinity stone like I theorised before, so I’ll propose an alternative theory:

Loki goes to Sakaar to try and get Thor back, cause he needs him to like vouch for letting him live and also to help beat Hela, but upon arriving finds that GM already claimed Thor as one of his Gladiators, meaning Loki will probably not be able to negotiate him out of there immediately, GM will probably be like ‘BUT WE HAVEN’T EVEN SEEN HIM FIGHT YET! Why don’t u join me to watch the games?’ Which he will agree to cause it’ll be easier to break his bro out afterwards xD

(also Loki’s flight reflex might make him run right into Val who will then capture him for her own agenda xD)

[rhowena]

Pile of stuff concerning what happened to Loki between Thor and The Avengers

Originally posted on r/FanTheories

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And an overview of the theories contained therein:

First, the central piece of tinfoil around which all other tinfoil is arrayed: remember how, at the end of the first Thor, Loki was pathologically obsessed with gaining his father’s approval? And how, when he next showed up after vanishing for an entire year, he’d gotten mixed up with a guy who keeps a menagerie of adopted children? And how, during his argument with Thor on the mountaintop, he said this?

Loki: Did you mourn? Thor: We all did. Our father– Loki: Your father. He did tell you my true parentage, did he not?

Loki: I’ve seen worlds you’ve never known about! I have grown, Odinson, in my exile. I have seen the true power of the Tesseract and when I wield it—

Tom Hiddleston: There’s a bit where Thor says, “We all mourned! Our father…” and Loki interrupts him and says, “YOUR father.” And it’s that sense of 'don’t include me in this anymore. I have no relation or connection to you.’ It’s his way of saying 'I’ve let go, I’m gone, I’m on the outside of the fence, I’m happy here, I don’t want to come back in.’

If I may take a minute to get out some of my extremely complicated feelings on this, while there’s a bunch more evidence in favor of Loki having been another of Thanos’s children that can be viewed on the mind map, I want to highlight this pair of quotes because it’s everything implied by the words “Your father” that makes it into a devastating punch in the stomach which draws on both halves of Loki’s Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds characterization: his genuine love for his family is his primary redeeming quality and that he forswore it like this puts the terrible moment when he first knelt before Thanos and pledged himself to the Mad Titan’s service firmly into archetypal Faustian sell-your-soul territory, but when you consider the straits he was in at the time and the implication that Thanos initially ensnared him not through promises of power but by preying on him emotionally, it’s a very human kind of tragic mistake.

The other mitigating factor is that based on everything we’ve heard from Thanos’s other children, it’s a safe bet that he did in fact do unspeakably horrible things to Loki too – indeed, noticing the resemblance between the existing theories about Loki having been tortured/brainwashed and Gamora’s “He took me, tortured me, turned me into a weapon” was what prompted the above realization in the first place. (It’s reminiscent of Theon’s storyline in ASOIAF/GOT: yeah, he betrayed his adoptive family and did some generally awful stuff, but no one deserves what happened to him.) It also bears emphasizing that accountability cuts both ways: one of the key takeaways from the previous bullet point is that the suffering Loki went through doesn’t absolve him of responsibility for his villainous actions, but the other side of the coin is that Loki’s partial complicity doesn’t absolve Thanos of responsibility for the choice he made to take a broken, desperate young man who’d just lost everything and turn him into the rabid animal we saw during The Avengers, and I dearly hope that exploring the rich font of psychological horror that is that time period will erase any remaining doubt that Thanos’s claims of acting For The Greater Good are nothing but empty, egotistical, self-righteous posturing and everyone in the audience who insists on taking them at face value is being duped just as Loki was.

Stephen: No. I mean, come on. Look at your face. Dormammu made you a murderer. Just how good can his kingdom be?

As for where this is all going, I believe there’s a good chance that the Loki Disney+ series will be where they finally address this as a. the split timeline Loki the series will be following is still fresh from his time with Thanos and it will therefore have to explain what happened if we’re to understand the kind of headspace that he’s in at that moment and b. Tom Hiddleston has revealed that the series will also clarify whether or not Loki really is dead in the main timeline, and everything I have so far indicates that understanding the nature of his original pact with Thanos is essential to understanding both Loki’s choice to die and Thanos’s choice to kill him (see the 'Pledge of fidelity’ and 'Limited use’ notes pages on the mind map). Character-wise, I think one of the points of emphasis will be that Loki’s death in Infinity War doesn’t wrap up his story as neatly as it may appear to on the surface; truly completing his redemption arc will require him to confront this part of his past in full, and with it his guilt over everything he’s done and his fear that he’s wrecked his life and relationship with his family so thoroughly that he can never, ever fix them.

Loki: Can you? Can you wipe out that much red? […] Your ledger is dripping, it’s gushing red, and you think saving a man no more virtuous than yourself will change anything? This is the basest sentimentality. This is a child at prayer… PATHETIC! You lie and kill in the service of liars and killers. You pretend to be separate, to have your own code. Something that makes up for the horrors. But they are a part of you, and they will *never* go away!

An additional giant red flag indicating we really should be asking more questions about that time gap is a group of lines in The Avengers which reveal that Thanos taught Loki how to use the Tesseract.

The Other: The Tesseract has awakened. It is on a little world. A human world. They would wield its power, but our ally knows its workings as they never will.

The Other: You question us? You question HIM? He, who put the Scepter in your hand? Who gave you ancient knowledge and new purpose when you were cast out, defeated?

Loki: I’ve seen worlds you’ve never known about! I have grown, Odinson, in my exile. I have seen the true power of the Tesseract and when I wield it— Thor: Who showed you this power? Who controls the would-be king?

Sharing that kind of knowledge and power with someone as volatile as Loki strikes me as an monumentally terrible idea (and as much as I don’t want to be the person who throws a tantrum because their fanfic didn’t come true, I’m kinda salty that Thanos was defeated without it coming back to bite him in the ass), which leaves me wondering what Thanos hoped to gain that he believed would be worth the risks. My thoughts on that particular sub-puzzle are still somewhat hazy, but my basic sense is that there’s something weird going on between Loki and the Tesseract and wanting to exploit that connection is one of the reasons Thanos went to all the trouble of breaking him into submission.

Loki: So I am no more than another stolen relic, locked up here until you might have use of me?

The other reason for Thanos’s interest in Loki ties back to all that emotional twistiness I talked about earlier: he planned to leverage Loki’s anger and resentment towards his family in a bid to destroy Odin and Asgard from the inside.

Zemo: An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That’s dead… forever.

As a prelude to this, during The Avengers Thanos had additionally tasked Loki with killing Thor as a way to prove his loyalty and destroy the last remaining shreds of his own humanity, a test Loki failed because he still loved his brother too much.

Coulson: You’re going to lose. It’s in your nature. […] You lack conviction.

What’s more, Thanos anticipated this, and the Scepter’s influence over Loki was aimed at forcing him to go through with it if he refused.

Loki: I won’t touch Barton, not until I make him kill you! Slowly, intimately, in every way he knows you fear! And then he’ll wake, just long enough to see his good work, and when he screams, I’ll split his skull!

Lastly, even with Infinity War having established that Thanos simply gets off on emotional torture, that he would go out of his way to fuck with Odin personally by turning his second son against him leads me to believe there was a special hatred there stemming from some as-yet unrevealed history between the two. I mean, when I picture the alternate universe where Thanos shows up to attack Asgard with a corrupted Loki in tow like “You screwed up so badly that he chose me as a father figure over you” …that isn’t something you say to a complete stranger.

GRRM on writing villain POVs: That’s a comic book kind of thing, where the Red Skull gets up in the morning [and asks] “What evil can I do today?” Real people don’t think that way. We all think we’re heroes, we all think we’re good guys. We have our rationalizations when we do bad things. “Well, I had no choice,” or “It’s the best of several bad alternatives,” or “No it was actually good because God told me so,” or “I had to do it for my family.” We all have rationalizations for why we do shitty things or selfish things or cruel things. So when I’m writing from the viewpoint of one of my characters who has done these things, I try to have that in my head.

[hiveswap]

Proof that Anthony Jantony Crowley is actually Loki

Direct sequel to this absolute horseshit post. (homestuck tw) No pictures this time.

This one is also horseshit, and serves no purpose other than pointing out conciquences, and making fun of fantheories in a harmless way. Felt like adding.

So.

Hair connection

As you may know, Loki's hair is clearly black in the movies, but in the mythology, it's actually descpribed as red, just like Crowley's in the show. He's just. less greasy. You know.

Danger noodle connection

Loki transformed into a snake at least once in the mcu, gave birth to one in the mythology, has one dripping its venom into his eyes also in the mythology, and Crowley is straight up the serpent of Eden.

Blond dumbass connection

It's family for one, lover/friend for the other. Both would pretty much die for that person. And Loki actually did die for Thor in the mcu

Genderfluid connection

My favorite part. In the marvel comics, and also in the mythology (I think) Loki is genderfluid as fuck. I don't think I need to talk about Crowley as Nanny Astoreth, and her clothes on Golgotha, right?

[businesscasualcyclops]

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I already do not like ant-man for bullshit reasons, i would love a rational idea to hate all the ant-men

its the ant-tennas

[nooo-body]

Great Reddit article on Loki's being alive.

https://amp.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/8h2tyh/about_that_loki_scene_mcu_fan_theory_infinity_war/?__twitter_impression=true

[reckvinci]

In a new interview with ScreenRant, WandaVision head writer/creator Jac Schaeffer dove into the way fan theories were ever-present during the show's eight-week run on Disney+. Schaeffer took a trip down memory lane to when the very first Super Bowl spot for Marvel Studios' Disney+ shows premiered in February 2020, featuring The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and Loki alongside WandaVision. She remembers hearing fan theories about "Wanda creating a false reality of sitcoms in order to process her grief" and feeling somewhat bummed that they were spot on: "When the very first spot dropped, for the Super Bowl, it was that spot that included Falcon and Winter Soldier and Loki. And people just jumped online, and they were like, 'Look at Wanda creating a false reality of sitcoms in order to process her grief.' And I was like, 'Aw, man!'" #Wandavision #fantheories #theories #disneyplus https://www.instagram.com/p/CMe8xg5hTfW/?igshid=12owr95md3v16

[lokasennas]

no one’s ready for my exclusive fantheory about who Loki’s dad is

-both are GREEN

-we know from the muppet show that Kermit loves drama and sowing chaos and discord

-both bisexual

[jesafan]

TVR Creates Doppleganger Robots

.......Wait a minute

~ LOKI SERIES SPOILER and FAN THEORY ~

Ok so I was thinking about that funny scene where they ask Loki if he’s a robot - which yes hilarious, but also: foreshadowing? 

Ok so in a previous post I was talking about what do they do with the deviants that create problems in the timeline and how ultimately its a paradox. It has to be. You can’t take out a player in a show and expect the hole they left behind to leave the show intact, it doesn’t work that way. You take a pillar out of a structure, you have to put a new one in or the whole thing collapses. Ergo: paradox. You can’t leave the deviant in, since it disrupts the timeline, but you can’t take them out completely, because collapse. 

 So, if they’re perfectly happy disintergrating the deviants, who fills the hole left behind?

My theory: robot doublegangers. 

Think about it! Who better to fulfill the empty space left behind than a (probably semi) non-sentient being who’s going to play the role to a T because they’ve been programmed to? Why else would the TVA bother asking deviants if they were AWARE they were robots? 

The doubleganger couldn’t be aware that they were not actually the person they thought they were - kind of defeats the point - and it would explain how the magic disintergrating metal detector would be able to disintegrate them on the spot. 

It would fill the space, leave nothing to chance, and if the robot malfunctioned they could just disintegrate it and replace it with a working one. It fits! 

[resis-tance-fdt]

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[dkettchen]

Do you think Loki might have freed Hela by mistake, trying to negotiate with her for a way to get Frigga back? Is it confirmed that she escaped because of something Loki did, or didn't do?

Oh man. I read the first part of that sentence and was like nah he’s not that stupid and then you said bring Frigga back and … he would be that stupid, wouldn’t he…

Basically what we know so far is: Hela was imprisonned for whatever reasons a long time ago, and the first synopsis that was published about Ragnarok’s plot said that she escaped because of Loki’s careless/lazy ruling (I don’t remember the exact wording but you should be able to find it on imdb). 

But this seems like Taika (et al.) were trying to lead us astray via fisher king (thanks to @philosopherking1887 for teaching me about that trope xD) the ‘villain ruler must be bad ruler’ thing, making people think the worst of Loki. 

Now, considering that Loki seems to be one of the good guys this time from what we know from the trailer, that seems contradictory to that synopsis. 

Meaning it’ll most likely be more complicated than him just being careless. 

So, considering, Loki had to live as someone else/a ghost for about 3 years, even so still barely seeing his brother (his only remaining family member he somewhat enjoys the company of), I could see him growing lonely and thinking about what he did and how it cost him his mother. And being the mommy’s boi and shady lil sorcerer that he is, plus having access to all royal records (including Hela, her deal and where she’s kept), and too damn much time on his hands, I could see him trying to get her back and accidentally helping Hela escape in the process. 

It would also be logical for Loki to try and do something, because he thinks it’s his fault she died and he wouldn’t rest until he managed to rectify it (although in reality after trying and failing to bring her back and with all the other drama I see happening in Ragnarok I’m p sure he’ll be able to find closure and start over with the new people in his life (*cough* VAL *cough*), some much needed positive reinforcement there)

Also if he’s found out because of/after that, Thor will be ok with letting him live because he was trying to bring their mother back, so trying to make up for something he did. I think that’ll be enough for Thor to be like ‘ah it’s alright, you’ll help me get father back and then we’re even’

(UPDATE:) And finally if I’m right about Loki trying to stop Val from killing Hela, because of his own experiences, a reminder of Frigga’s death (the dire consequence of his actions) at the beginning of the movie would be good, storytelling-wise

[dkettchen]

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