#like. sometimes characters are shitty. and that's the point.
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The holier-than-thou Buddie fans expounding the superiority of their words and ways to anyone and everyone is so frustrating in how condescending and immature it is. But is not only grossly false and disingenuous because of their actions against BT fans, but because they erase the complexity of the human experience, their own human experience.
Because people are not perfect, we are all false narrators and we fumble through life like toddlers, sometimes destroying things in our wake. And I mean EVERYONE, including you Bestie Boos. How many of you have hurt a friend because of thoughtless words without knowing it? Been rude to someone in the service industry? Yelled hurtful words at a parent or sibling? Been involved in bullying? Ignored someone who needed help? Gossiped about another person without knowing them? Hidden something about yourself because you didn’t want it seen? Have done unintentional harm because of lack of knowledge. Needed forgiveness. You can’t tell me that you have walked every single moment through your life with complete perfection and without regret because that would be a false narrative or you’re extremely delusional to your own actions because NOBODY IS PERFECT, including you.
The older you get, the more you realize how very little you know about life. And for how silly 911 can be, they GET IT. The show gets how complex and ugly life and people can get, including their heroes. Bobby is an alcoholic, Athena is too career focused and can’t face the darker side of being a cop, May tried to commit suicide, Maddie runs away from life responsibilities, Hen cheated on her wife, Eddie was a terrible husband & father early on, Buck was a sex addict, even lovely Chimney can be careless with his words. If you don’t realize ALL of the characters are imperfect and are learning & growing constantly through their lives YOU ARE NOT WATCHING THE SHOW. You have put on rose-colored fanfiction glasses and only take those glasses off when it’s convenient to your own sense of indignation.
So yes, Tommy is imperfect, yes he’s done some shitty things and you don’t have to like it BUT the show has never been about perfect people and that is the point. And you Bestie Boo are not a perfect person either no matter how much you may think you are. [End of rant]
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Thinking about Rise Splinter hate… it always makes me kinda sad. Like YEAH, it wasn’t right the way he treated the boys. But like, Rise is really good at expressing subtle familial dynamics, and one of the big ones for me is the fact that like… there’s always an undercurrent of “It’s complicated” to their interaction with Splinter. IRL, it always pisses me off to see people casting judgments on people’s relationships with their family, because you don’t know!! Yeah, they hurt you, but not everything’s black and white. It’s complicated. Because you love them, and sometimes you get to understand a little bit better why things happened as you get older.
In a matter of smaller importance, hate for him loses so many opportunities in his character… even things that might just be kinda off-handedly mentioned.
He fought for SEVEN years—give me Splinter with chronic pain. Splinter relating to his boys with their neurodivergence—it’s HIS fault they have it!!!
That was seven years of imprisonment, or even simpler, an abusive relationship. What did he learn from that? How did he change? What things are skewed in his worldview?
His childhood! We saw his relationship with his grandfather a bit, but how did Splinter grow into his dream of being a movies star? HIM BEING A MOVIE STAR. He was both a rebellious team and a literal celebrity, this guy probably took empyrean at some point without knowing it, just like. Recreationally or something LMAO.
I maybe just need more of his old man knowledge. Him being so loser-core was a great move by the Rise team, and I could SEE where his story was going—ROBBED. We were ROBBED.
splinter hate is CRAAAAZY when he's such an INTERESTING character who does actually have a lot of obvious depth. like he's goofy and he's objectively flawed as a parent but he does go out of his way to improve himself and LEARN throughout the show, and he does listen and apologize when he knows he's messed up. his issues are so similar to leo's actually, leo's a kid so he's got more leeway to be shitty but idk when people act like its endearing on him and not on splinter. splinter's hilarious free my man
on the other side of the coin i dont really like when people make him a perfect loving parent either,,, i think people going for all kinds of interpretations in order to serve whatever story they need is fine but i do prefer kind of messy parent splinter, i think its kind of sad to see him reduced down to bad or good. he LOVES his boys so dearly and he would NEVER intentionally want to hurt them, but he's quick to cast judgement when he's angered/feels disrespected (evil league of mutants comes to mind, but also in turtle dega nights when donnie first stops the tank) and he's really a lot more inattentive than he should be. but there are REASONS behind this, coming out of an abusive relationship, fighting in bloodsports against his consent for years, you could probably count the whole draxum thing as traumatic (its presented as kind of silly in the show, but considering what it lead to,, its a pivotal moment in the backstory. its one of those things that i reasonably feel can be recontextualized because its so essential) and then dealing with crippling body dysmorphia and being forced into the sewers with no company other than his children,, it really adds up
idk like ,,,, you can still be extremely traumatized and be a horrible parent. in fact trauma can be a direct CAUSE of being a bad parent because that kind of thing influences every facet of your life and if youre unprepared emotionally, yeah. but splinter isn't the kind of person to double down and become more overtly nasty when he feels cornered. if he gets the feeling that his kids are actually upset with him, he backtracks. this is actually kind of a key trait of his, that he does try very hard to correct himself when he messes up. he's communicative and apologetic, and he tries very hard to be that way.
and also this is maybe something that i just have a wider problem with when it comes to the way people interpret things in cartoons at times but splinter's actions in eps like lair games (especially in lair games) and flushed but never forgotten are meant to be like. jokes. its absurdist comedy that's meant to catch you off guard. there are more serious emotional beats in rise you can use but i think when youre adapting this world and characters into a more serious tone you have to keep that kind of thing in mind because some things are meant to be surprising and absurd for the sake of making you laugh. i think the best comparison i can think of is how in musical movies they're not actually singing (in most cases, sometimes the fact that they actually are is played for laughs it depends. but yk what i mean). the joke is that this is kind of a shitty thing he's doing but taking the actions themselves seriously in a vacuum in order to cast shame on a character has always been odd to me. that'd be like calling raph abusive for rolling up the window on mikey's neck in late fee. or calling the teetz murderers because they caused a robot mass suicide that one time. it just doesnt make any sense
#ask#i do actually think the oiled up splinter scene in lair games it was Weird and i do NOT like it#i have a problem with it overall. i cant tell if its moral or if its just a disgust thing its just a very ... Interesting choice#but i always look at people funny when they act like this actually makes splinter a bad parent#i think finding jokes meanspirited or offensive is understandable though tbf#you can not like a joke. you can even not like a character because of jokes like that#but i do think in shows with this kind of tone you have to understand the border#if a show were to go back and recontextualize moments like these to take them seriously i would not like it!#im vaguing two things saying this lol i dont like when media does that. slapstick comedy can stay as it is#like i do think there's a hint of truth in some stuff like this because its still the characters at the end of the day#but if they are not meaningfully challenged by the narrative in the episode#its probably because youre not meant to take it seriously
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i just saw someone saying very confidently they read enough of a manhwa to give it an in-depth review,,, because they're already at chapter 42. like. girl. these things are adapted from novels with up to 400-600 chapters. you barely even started it at all.
#i talk a lot <3#their review was superficial and unfounded. btw.#they didn't even get the most basic of characterization right#they also very clearly don't like to read anything that takes longer than 30 chapters to get to the juicy bits so like.#what are you even doing in the manhwa section lmao#usamerican comics are right there#they also don't see to understand that sometimes characters can do shitty things and go without being punished for it#and it's not their actions being justified or presented as right by the narrative#like. sometimes characters are shitty. and that's the point.#and even crazier. sometimes. they do get punishment for their actions. but later in the plot. which you would know if you bothered to read#past chapter 40. insane concept i know.#.... they also mispronounce a lot of the names#they're not even weird. you didn't even fucking try.
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Hey, I get that you don't like that person's stance, but they don't deserve to die or to relive their own trauma because of it. Don't dehumanize your enemies.
If you're at the point where the most substantial thing you could say to somebody is a threat, just silently wish the best for them.
Wish that someday they'll stop being an enemy. Wish for character growth.
(Note: This is not asking you to "fix them." That's not your job, and helping people with the mindset of "fixing them" is not actually that helpful. If they ask for civil discussion-- and are genuine-- then it's your choice whether you permit it or not, but don't try to force your point without listening to them. Don't "fix them." It very likely is not going to work, and will very likely instead give them a bad/worse taste in their mouth about you and what you represent. Sometimes it is best to leave people be, in all honesty. You don't have to save the world, doing what you can is perfectly acceptable. Promoting good-will and stability in your own space is just as-- if not more-- important as stepping outside of said space.)
#self help#okay im going to crosstag this with several charged matters. i really hope people dont completely miss the point of this#yes this will reach some of the people you may not like. if you see them in the comments consider it practice. no “kys”. you got this#discourse#civil discourse#shipcourse#tme/tma#fandom discourse#feminism#endogenic#liomogai#radinclus#radqueer#antiship#proship#transandrophobia#transid#syscourse#by the way youre not a shitty person if youve threatened people. i get the anger sometimes. just recognize that you fucked up and do better#character development is possible for you too. its possible for everyone if they want to do it.
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going through some old left-for-dead projects and just found this one where I was like. INTENT on dissecting jeff's brain on the operating table (i.e. google docs) but only from todd's weird skewed pov
[professor voice] it's about brothers as eternal combatants and it's about being so convinced of your own goodness you excuse your shitty actions. it's also about comparing yourself to a dog because you feel less fully formed than your brother. lol.
#“so-and-so is an irredeemable character with no depth” jokes are funny sure but unfortunately i'm unable to not take things seriously#anyway: i remember people being like [about hymnal] this is crazy! this fraternal dynamic is so fucked up! and being kind of non-plussed#because the dynamic i wrote into the fair folk wip [this one] was like fifty thousand times more. argh. bites#THIS WASN'T EVEN SCRATCHING THE SURFACE#also i've always been an advocate of writing cruel characters with sympathy because the best feeling as a reader is when#you're reading and start nodding along with a particular guy and have to take a step back and recoil at how receptive you were to them#when the character is kind and jolly and cares but he's still letting the abuse happen under his nose :eyes:#anyway this ALSO isn't an accurate jeff portrait because todd's pov is weird and jaded and sardonic at the beginning of the story#and also he's like three seconds away from exploding. lol#hm. i never explained it to myself fully [probably why i never finished this] but i think the issue was that#todd is Too understanding and he's perceptive enough to see everyone's motivations but that makes it worse because now he's too#not forgiving. but he can excuse people's actions very easily#and thus when people actually do shitty things and it makes him mad he can't really justify being mad to himself - but he still is#and this makes him sooooo volatile. and becomes a problem later on in the wip when he's trying to work on cameron#because understanding isn't the ending point you have to do the action sometimes! lol!#goddamn. i miss writing this au.#dead poets society#tristan writes#dps#dps fic#todd anderson#jeff anderson#SORRY THIS IS VERY LONG. I JUST REDISCOVERED THIS AND IT BROUGHT A LOT OF MEMORIES BACK.
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hate when i see a youtube video that's like 'analyzing why [thing] is bad!' and you watch the video and they just say nothing for twenty minutes
#random thoughts#watched a video on why a specific character was poor representation for survivors of assault#and it was such a nothing burger of a video#'this character is bad because children might see them and think their behavior is okay' okay?#i learned how to block out memories from finn adventure time but that doesn't mean memory suppression shouldn't be addressed in media#plus hazbin hotel. i'm talking about angel dust btw if that wasn't blaringly obvious. is an adult cartoon. for adults#adult cartoons shouldn't have to restrict their subject matter because kids could see it#and angel dust being a male queer SA victim using hypersexuality as a coping mechanism could be good!#and the fact he hits on other people despite it making them uncomfortable isn't exactly a problem a la his character?#it could be a control thing. i used to do something similar (pushing other people's boundaries and complaining when they pushed back)#because it made me feel some kind of control over my life#it could start off as a really shitty joke and then grow into 'oh god is that why he does that??'#but anyway their second main point was that the songs were bad? and that poison being an upbeat song makes it bad#like despite listing many other songs which are upbeat with heavy lyrics. but somehow poison is the exception because it's a cartoon?#like again that could be a character thing. angel dust using obfuscation as a coping mechanism to distract himself from his shitty life.#。・゚゚・the lyrics are upbeat to distract you from how dead i feel inside・゚゚・。#and their reading of the second song seemed really mean-spirited?#like as 'everyone has problems so you're not special because you're a whiny baby' rather than 'you're not as alone as you think you are'#and like if op wanted to just complain about a show they watched then yeah go off i do that all the time#but don't parade it as character analysis???#and they say 'oh reading it as a feelgood you're not alone message doesn't work because these characters' struggles are not equal'#but like. sometimes rape needs to feel like it's not some special trauma. it's not unique and you're not uniquely fucked up for it#two characters' traumas don't need to be directly comparable for them to bond!!!#and im not like. defending hazbin hotel btw. never seen it not going to see it no thanks#i'm just complaining about a mediocre youtube video that i'm going to forget about in a week#god i hate that brand of youtube video. where they just complain about things without going into depth about why they're bad#especially if their complaints are shallow and don't have to do with like. the actual structure of a character or story#like it's so easy to say 'this character is bad because theyre a predatory stereotype' but like. go into some depth at least#i think i hate these videos so much because they're fueled purely by hate. no love for the source material or even a desire to learn#or a love for storytelling even
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anyways top two tips for finding media with well written female characters! 1) consume media written by women and 2) stop consuming things written for adolescent boys!!!!
#talk tag#‘women just aren’t written well’ says mha pfp GET OUT OF HERE#honestly the second you stop watching shitty anime made for little boys the amount of well written women is overwhelming#sorry you have the media taste of a teenager but the adults are talking#not to be too mean it gets to me sometimes#but honestly even if you exclusively watch shounen anime (why?) it isn’t like there isn’t anything that writes women well#tpn and csm instantly come to mind#both manga that were/are massively popular during their runs in wsj#csm is up and down but the depth with which fujimoto writes female characters still astounds me#asa you are so special to me#but this is to say i still think that people need to make branch out more and maybe start having like#higher expectations for their japanese media#if they want to keep on consuming manga and anime#but seriously at some point i’m just going to assume you’re misogynistic no matter what if you refuse to look at female characters ever#people assume depth for male characters when there isn’t any and call every female character bland
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Something i rlly dislike abt Ganyu's characterization in fandom is how ppl see her being read as a stupid weak stereotype, and they just retaliate with another stereotype but from the other end of a spectrum.
She can be strong, competent, knowledgable and have very important role in the Liyue Qixing for years, but also be kind, humble, avoiding conflicts and NOT always knowing everything. those are not mutually exclusive!!! Yes she's old, no that doesn't mean she's now perfectly confident, knows everything and is good at everything. She's not some untouchable divine being, better than everyone else. Stop removing humanity from her when that's the whole point of her identity!!!
When i see overly confident, dominant, bitchy, smug, flirty Ganyu i start throwing rocks bc that's not Ganyu, begone impostor.
I just want Ganyu to be actually herself. Not a submissive secretary caricature. Not a dommy mommy caricature. JUST Ganyu, with all her complexity, strengths and weaknesses.
It's like treating Ganyu's personality as inherently weak and boring, so in the act of "justice for women" ppl just remove it and replace with a caricature of a strong woman. It's driving me insane when those "women defenders" are just slandering them, without even thinking abt it. If someone thinks a woman being quiet, kind, humble, avoiding conflict etc. is inherently "misogynistic" and needs those traits to be completely removed and replaced, then they just hate women
#anyways this is my opinion and i feel like an alien in this fandom sometimes lol#i picked ganyu specifically bc obviously she's my fav so i notice it the most here but this is a bigger problem in fandom i think#i'm literally going insane whenever i see this kinda behavior#everytime ppl criticise hoyo for writing/treating women badly they somehow pick the worst arguments#and don't mention how fandom perpetuates shitty stereotypes#they pick favorites instead of making a point. they still think that certain female characters like keqing and ganyu are boring#bc they refuse to acknowledge that those characters have a lot to them but it's just NOT PROPERLY SHOWED. THATS THE ACTUAL DAMN PROBLEM#they infantilize short women and act like it's all just hoyo's fault for not making them tall. this is insane. this is fucking insane#we're playing anime style video game. everyone is gonna look extra young no matter what!! oh my god!!#rant#ganyu
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went through the mia tag yesterday and my God you people have got to stop reducing her to "loving wife and mother," i mean come on this is a woman who lied to her husband for years about her work with the connections and who oversaw eveline for a time. give the lady some grit.
#now playing: 7#i dont see the point of smoothing her out. either you like her as a complex character or you dont.#i dont even care for her but i would like to see people acknowledge her as a whole person not just ethand wife and roses mother#it honestly reminds me of how ada fans smooth out adas edges because they like her and they dont want to deal with the fact that sometimes#she does shitty things for shitty people.#anyways.
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#some of yall need to learn how to keep your shitty comments about fic to dms#being a writer in this fandom is already stressful without like#constantly seeing posts on the dash about how this entire fandom sucks#and none of it is to your own personal standard#it’s already a big overwhelming fandom to try and get your fic noticed#and i say this as someone who is fairly confident in my skills to put a story together#but sometimes it’s like what’s the point man i’ll just show it to my friends#and then i won’t have to be stressed out that that vague post on the dash is bc buck wasn’t written perfectly in character#idk i just feel the need to constantly remind everyone that authors - even new ones or imperfect ones or what some of yall consider ‘bad’#ones are doing this for free#and you aren’t actually owed and entitled to anything meeting your personal standard#you can just hit the back button and rant to your friends#you don’t have to put authors on blast#might delete later#i’m just feeling a way#evan talks
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Amy is a misunderstood character, I remembered her in the old games being a bit annoying, but in reality she is super nice, kind and a cutie🌸, Amy was a character above her time, she is a tougher girl, she is basically what she is (she is a female version of sonic), just like him, she is heroic, has good intentions, wants to help, and just like him, she has her "flaws", sonic's is being slightly cocky and hers is be exaggerated/hot-head, she has the fru-fru cliches of a girl character, yes!, but it's not in a boring way (and it's not that much really, I didn't take It Amy in Sonic unleashed saying that she's enjoying/getting used to Sonic werehog form look because it's kinda cool and "wild"!😂and I didn't felt it was in a way like"oh I like the bad boy look" it sounded more like "oh, I kinda would like to dress up like a punk too😂", cute, then she shades him saying that she prefers he's day/blue form😂)
Amy for me, is that character who wants to be seen and treated like a lady, but acts like a brute, because in reality she is a little warrior, not a lady, she is little warrior princess😅🌸, and I like that, it's cute, she's a bit of a tsundere, maybeeee, but she is nice and sweet(not much of a pain in the ass like most tsunderes characters, tbh most anime cliche characters are a pain in the ass, not only tsunderes, y'know because it's anime and animes are overexagerated)
Her love/"obsession" with Sonic, people used to say that her character only revolves around Sonic and her personality is just being the girl who likes Sonic and that her love for him is toxic, no, Amy is more than that, like, in Sonic Heroes her intention was to go after Sonic, but it was also to find her friends' pets, and she takes that very seriously in the game, she doesn't even talk so much about Sonic, her love for Sonic, i don't see it that way, for me it's very genuine, for me she just wants to take care and protect him🌸, just like he does with the world and everybody, she just likes him a lot and makes that very clear, and it's meant to be comical, it's not meant to be serious, the chase it's suppose to be funny, and I like that even though Amy loves Sonic a lot, she doesn't take shit from him, she's not afraid to confront him, she's not afraid to confront anyone really😅 (see!, just like him) , Amy is a strong female character, yes!, and I say more☝️✨Amy is an example of a badass female character much more than the little blonde princess(and i don't say that because peach is delicate and amy's "not much", but because peach sometimes is a B*tch), Amy is the true pink/girls rules icon!, people say they like the modern Amy more because she is cooler and more independent, she always has been
#reflection#Ha-ha I like peach too she's also cute....but sometimes she is a bitch so my point it's still up#I the first one to apologize to Amy because I was the type who didn't like her/thought she was annoying💦#Must be this shitty sonic X effect this serie shapeshift all the characters that i like���🔥she is not mean/annoying in the games#Amy is the best sonic girl(better than blaze and.....we don't have much sonic girls...only has cream and rogue...yeah it only last blaze)#For me amy and old/game cream SLAY✨#amy rose
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yellowjackets rant time :)
people whining that natalie’s death was “shitty writing” makes me want to bang my head against the wall. like are you seriously shocked that the show about tragedy and murder has tragedy and murder in it. are you seriously shocked that the show about fucked up people has fucked up people in it.
#same with people who hate van and lottie and tai and shauna and misty and ben and whoever the fuck else for being 'bad people'#'i can't root for these characters!!!!' like lmao way to miss the point of the entire show janet#they're all traumatized people (many of whom experienced that trauma as CHILDREN) and have done awful things and will do awful things again#INCLUDING nat like im sorry you believed that she was the moral compass when the show never explicitly told you that#she's just as fucked up as the rest of them. and thats what makes her interesting#that's also what makes her death compelling and. sorry. WELL WRITTEN#it's tragic and cruel and preventable. and that is the point.#sometimes characters die in media. lmao. and sometimes it isn't well executed#but this was. and it has been set up for a long time if you go back and watch the prior episodes#i understand disliking the finale or the season or whatever. not mad about that.#what i am mad about is equating a personal opinion as an irrefutable fact and proof that the writing is shitty#and sending literal death threats to the writers and creators of a show that have put a lot of work into it#like at the end of the day it's a tv show for entertainment. and you can and should be able to love a character#while ALSO understanding when said character's death is emotionally necessary in a story.#i love nat. but i also understand that her death fits the story. that doesn't make it bad writing by any means#okay im done now#sameera.txt#yellowjackets#yellowjackets spoilers
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"but there just AREN'T any well-written women in aNyTHiNg I interact with"
DO TEN MINUTES OF RESEARCH.
WATCH BETTER SHOWS. READ BETTER BOOKS.
THERE IS A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION HERE.
#love when a post is a free blocklist#jesus fucking christ#mel screams about fictional ladies again#THERE ARE A BUNCH OF US WHO TALK ABOUT THIS SHIT ALL THE TIME ASK US ABOUT IT#ppl say this as if there aren't plenty of flatly-written boring male characters too. who still get popular. or like. expanded on by fandom#look I know I complain about this LITERALLY every day but if your response is just 'there are no good women in anything :(' then#a) you're an idiot and b) I don't want to talk to you because I cannot help you#like stfu and deal with your misogny like at some point you have to learn how to care about women#(YES obviously fiction isn't reality & this isn't the end all be all of activism but WE GOTTA FIX THE LITTLE STUFF TO CHANGE THE BIG STUFF)#(there's also something in here about how a lot of the male characters who tend to be hated more-in my experience-look or#act more in line with what society considers 'stereotypically feminine' which is. we don't have time to get into that right now)#ANYWAY.#MAYBE YOU COULD WATCH/READ THINGS THAT ARE /CREATED/ BY WOMEN SOMETIMES TOO!!!! (not that that will automatically#fix the problem. obviously women can be shitty writers too.)#consider these posts to be my rent-lowering gunshots#:)
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Like I'm not one of those story "critics" who will nitpick the smallest inconsistency and call it a plot hole that ruins the whole story. I'm okay with inconsistencies and even the occasional plot hole if it ends up producing a story that's interesting, gripping, and brings up interesting things.
The problem is that suspension of disbelief only stretches so far. And secondly, stuff like character drama and themes are only as strong as the plot that supports them. If the plot is full of contrivances, plot holes, and really stupid things that make it feel like the author is just forcing something to happen to move the story along, then the themes and character drama become much less convincing.
#squiggposting#anyways i do like problematic idw op and i do like it when he has enemies and ppl who don't trust him#but not when the plot to make ppl hate him is stupid as shit and barely makes any sense#or when optimus does something mildly dubious and people act like he personally tortured their families and then murdered them#or like when characters are oddly hostile to OP/the autobots but are perfectly fine working with far worse ppl#like how the humans were all 'fuck the autobots theyre evil' but were fine with helping the cons build a fucking base???#after the decepticons already killed 1 billion humans??? including soundwave who is one of their main liasons???#if the humans really didn't trust the decepticons then why didn't they just say 'fuck you you can't build a base in our solar system'#or like that stupid publicity plot point about how OP 'abandoned' jazz when like.#so you're telling me OP can't defend jazz for killing one. ONE cop in self defense#but it's not bad publicity for him to associate with soundwave who. let me repeat. was literally on the ground slaughtering humans in AHM#spike even knew about how that entire situation with the cop was a trap laid by megtron but somehow that never came up in the whole comic#it's just so dumb man like it feels sometimes more like its an IDW OP hate train and actual logic is secondary to making OP look like an as#also galvs being all like 'that's my boy' when OP annexed earth when galv is a racist boomer grandpa who kills organics for sports#i refuse to believe that guy would be impressed by anything less than OP personally murdering a human. not making them part of cybertron's#gov. you know? it's just silly#it's part of why i've been putting off rereading barber's comics because it was weird and contrived the first time#and i don't really want to put myself through rereading it again just to have to suffer through shitty plot again#so many things in that series couldve been genius if they were written in a plot that wasn't aggressively mid tier
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i think y'all's main problem is that you expect good, consistent writing from fucking warrior cats. like why are you doing that you're making things worse for yourselves.
#me? i never expect anything from wc and as such am never disappointed#its trash even by middle grade standards#like.. hating bramblestar makes sense bc his behavior toward squilf:#(1) stays consisent. he treated her the same back in tnp as he does now. a rare trait among wc characters ngl#(2) is never addressed. how he treats her is never called out as being particularly shitty.#sometimes an individual action will have ppl be like 'aw bramblestar that was a little mean :-/' but how he treats her in general is not#therefore it makes sense to hate him as a character#meanwhile basically any other character (other than one-offs like appledusk) that ppl try to compare to bramblestar#in order to make their dislike of them 'correct' and bully ppl who like that character#just falls flat bc they are not the same in a lore sense or a meta sense as bramblestar#imo the ONLY other character you can compare to bramblestar in being 'justified' in your hate of him#is breezepelt#bc he's a bad character in a lore sense (as in he is a bad person in canon like straight up evil)#but ALSO bad in a character sense (switches entire personality within arcs and suddenly he was good all along)#but even that its like. not as much as bramblestar you know?'#like bc no ones going to get the sense that murder is okay bc we ignored breezepelt's actions#but bramblestar's treatment of his wife can and will have real life effects on impressionable middle schoolers#and at this point its like the majority of the entire saga he's been treating her like shit#and not just one or two arcs where his character is different#its more similar to just standard bad wc writing than a bramblestar situation#x speaks#warriors#warrior cats#wc#thinking about when i got called homophobic for (1) not shipping mothpool and (2) kinda liking leafcrow#as if im not literally a lesbian
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Gary got me. Pia, he got me, I cried like a baby over that scene. This was the moment so much of his shitty behavior in the past made sense to me. Now I just want him to get cuddles and a happy ending. How do you do this???
Idk anon it's just one of my favourite things to do!!!
I love that turnaround moment so much. I love reframing a character's actions without forgiving them, so that people can go back and reread (if they want) and feel the weight of those actions with the added knowledge of what was behind them and feel out for themselves what it all means to them. I love the moment someone is like 'oh no he needs a hug' after like 'can we smack him tho' dslakfjsa
There's something about adding layers to a character, where it's like...the first layers are mostly just one flavour with hints of something else. That flavour might make you think the character is 'good' or 'bad.' In the case of Gavril in The Golden Age that Never Was, a lot of people initially liked the 'sweet' flavour he came across with, and over time I 'spoiled' it, adding more layers. (I like also making a character that previously seemed amazing, really awful sdalfkjas).
But I love just...adding the layers, and one day you get a layer and you're like 'holy shit I thought this was X but it's actually Y, and X is just on the surface, or only a small part of it.' I feel like sometimes that's how we get to know people. We see the layers they want us to see, but there's other layers there.
Ngl I live for these moments. I never know exactly when they're going to happen, either. Like a lot of people have already had their 'moment' where they've come around to Gary, and for others it might wait until nearly the end of the story. Some people are ready to embrace and love an asshat, and others hold back, with much more grudging approval, and others never come around (some folks will just always hate the Raven Prince no matter what, for example, and I'm sure the same will happen for Gary).
It makes writing serials so exciting and dynamic to me. And it makes it so much fun, in the sense that like, I feel like I get to share something about a character like a secret, and people see that secret and it's like 'OH I get why that thing was hidden but ALSO it changes a lot and recontextualises this person.' You get to know them not as they wish to be perceived - which is how they come across initially - but as *who they actually are* - which is different for everyone.
Idk I just love ittttt
#asks and answers#pia on characterisation#pia on writing#i basically like putting them in everything and i feel like it's probably one of the most common#character tropes i write outside of trauma in a background#is like... a bait and switch on a character#either one you see coming from a distance#(like we all know gary's the love interest he has to become understandable and likeable at some point)#or one that you don't see coming at all#i also really like humanising qualities that people often think 'that's a bad person' if they have the quality#gary is admittedly quite callous and even mean to efnisien#but he stops being this way as much#people are complicated#unless they're abusive all the time chances are people are just trying to do their best#while also being shitty sometimes sdlkfjsad like most people
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