#leftist islamophobia

[germiyahu]

Not too thrilled that my other post is getting so many notes when I'm not satisfied with it for a multitude of reasons. Let's have a do-over, hopefully much more succinct and to the original point.

When Palestinians, actually basically all Arabs, or all Muslims, say "Jerusalem is holy to us it is the 3rd holiest city in our religion." The White Western Leftist (WWL) will say "That's so valid your religion is so interesting and beautiful Hamas did nothing wrong I love the Houthis!"

But if a Jew ever rebuts "Jerusalem is holy to us as well, it's our holiest city, basically the only one we have," the WWL will probably roll their eyes, scoff, probably say something like "Okay but like why are you still using your outdated Zionist death cult to justify colonialism? You really think the Bible justifies killing millions of Palestinians?" and start going on and on about how Judaism invented everything bad about Christianity.

My hypothesis: These people are not allies to Muslims (Palestinians). They are condescending to them. They are throwing them a bone because they feel bad about how the Muslim world has been treated, well ever since Sykes-Picot, but especially post 9/11, the Patriot Act, The War on Terror, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Drone War, Libya, Nato, The Arab Spring, the list goes on. They don't think Muslims are capable of building the kind of societies they want, not without their gracious help. They don't think Muslims should have the same ideals of democracy and human rights, because they don't expect that from the Brown People. They won't ever hold them to such a standard because "Ugh where do we get off lecturing them?" even though they would never think this of Jews.

These people are not equals to Jews, something something Sartre they think they are both superior and inferior (which makes them superior). They are not just trying to hold their fellow citizens of the world to account. They are trying to put Jews in their place. They are projecting their religious trauma onto Jews because they do not understand Judaism. They see Judaism as Power. They are trying to delegitimize Judaism as a religion (and it is a religion, including the parts of religions that give atheists the "ick," including a lot of mysticism). They are trying to caterwaul about Jews being responsible for the world's ills and that they expect Jewish People to be better than this. To evolve beyond religion and community and affiliation and identity. They want Jewish to be nothing more than a box ticked off on a census. A neat little factoid about yourself, like how your neighbor Cheryl has Norwegian ancestry.

My only conclusion is that these people find Jews and Judaism repulsive, and they find Muslims and Islam primitive. Unlike their parents' generation, they appreciate the primitive. It is noble savagery to them. Unlike their parents' generation, the comparatively cosmopolitan modern secular Western sheen of Jewry (applied to Jews against their will) is not something that we almost lost from the world, but an annoying holdover of what we almost successfully purged from the world.

Because remember, while they hate their parents and everything they stand for, they still deep down want Daddy's approval. So it makes perfect sense why the psyche would displace anger and trauma and all that caused by Christianity, and look elsewhere to place blame. It falls at the feet of Jews and Judaism. Because my culture could never, there has to be a missing puzzle piece that could explain- oh there it is. The Jews did it. And wow look how easily this can slot in with every other antisemitism conspiracy theory.

The audacity to think I could make a shorter version of that post 😂 But basically it's this: The WWL, the Zoomer Left, the Tankies, whatever name you call them... they think that they can "save" Muslims by offering up Jews, and the terrorist fascist fundamentalists like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, they're on board. They're all in. Normal ass every day Muslims/Palestinians? They just want peace, they just want rights, they just want sovereignty. The WWL is not interested in that perspective.

They have not once in their lives thought of what they could possibly do in terms of reparations. No no, tweeting and marching for a weekend are quite enough. They have not once in their lives turned inward and self reflected on the ways they benefit from and their own role in these systems of supremacy, that have harmed Muslims around the world. Jewish blood is more than enough to pay for operation Iraqi Freedom. Jewish lives are a fetching price to assuage the Westerner's guilt. You know since they have so much trouble turning inward and reflecting on their own contribution to Islamophobia, it might do them good to practice a little תשובה... but I don't know 😌

[spot-the-antisemitism]

So, I'm hoping this doesn't come off as being antisemitic, because that's not my intent

But you ever think of turning the "I'm not antisemitic, I'm anti zionist" argument on its head by saying something equivalent in turn?

"I'm not anti-muslim, I'm anti-jihadi" for example

Dear anon,

Nah that sounds like neo nazi talk and I mean that seriously

"I'm not anti-muslim, just anti-terrorist" a alt-right racist dogwhistle

DO NOT sink to their level OP

Congrats this isn't antisemtic but it sure is islamophobic

Explain yourself,

Cecil

[spottheantisemitism]

Kahanist moment

man who has never heard of a gazan dissidents really just said "all palestineans are antisemitic terrorists"

[spot-the-antisemitism]

No use the tankies will spin this a good feminist thing

[san-sebastienne]

Just passed a massive billboard reading “Be Human: Support Palestine”

And I understand the message of: where is your empathy? Where is your outrage? Cruelty on a massive, people-wide scale – murder and attempted genocide – is happening and your government is wholeheartedly supporting it!

And also… the wording? That’s less of a dogwhistle and more of a foghorn imo, given like………… the entire history of the western world. The amount of people who have literally said “it’s okay to kill Jews en masse because they aren’t human.”

Leftist goyim understanding that Islamophobia and Antisemitism are brothers, not rivals challenge: impossible

[germiyahu]

I think we shouldn't talk about Aaron Bushnell from here on out. I know everyone has their own hot takes about it, and there are plenty of posts that entice one to debate, many such cases of bait...

But don't give him what he wants. Let his name fade into obscurity.

Already the antizionist "activists" are hailing him as a martyr and a prominent leader of the "movement." People are going to remember his name over any individual Palestinian names. The Palestinians who've died will just be a lump sum, whereas Aaron Bushnell will always have a face and a name and a story. They're going to have him represent the ~victims of Zionist fascist genocidal Apartheid terror~ equally if not more so than Palestinians, who will be a nameless statistic beyond a few exceptions. The hashtag "restinpower" was trending when he was confirmed dead.

Do you know how disrespectful and disgusting that is? A white American man who worked for the United States military, an organization that has killed orders of magnitude more civilians in the Middle East, made himself the star of Palestinian Liberation. And he probably was aware that this could happen. But he wanted to be seen as a martyr, he wanted to be absolved of his sins. Nobody will ever dare criticize his career in the military now. No one will mention his hypocrisy as a settler on stolen native land who actively helped propagate the imperial hegemony of the United States.

He gets to be a "hero" to the Palestinians even though he's helped zero of them. What allyship had he worked toward in his life? He gets to be placed along side them as a fellow victim of the Jews Zionists. And they will use his face, name, and memory as a rallying cry.

Maybe someone on their side will make a similar point, not to get too carried away making a white man the face of "resistance" against the West and Israel and capitalism and all that. But I doubt it'll gain traction.

[spot-the-antisemitism]

Remember when you were discussing whether it would be fandomization to draw Israeli Miku and Palestinian Miku together holding hands or smth?

Incidentally, I found out that over on Twitter 2 separate artists have drawn Israeli Miku and Palestinian Miku doing... a lot more than holding hands if ya know what I mean 😒

Tbh I'm not sure what to think of this.

Also one of the artists may or may not be a neo nazi. I'm not sure and I don't really want to check.

Dear anon

oh sweet summer child

I had to look at THESE last year

Arabs are black and Jews are white but with big nose, yes? - person who has never seen a Jew or a Palestinean

this one is ummm giving me yaoi vibes

This is probably the artist's fetish

that's ONE way to noble savage trope and infantilize Palestine

Why does the Israeli country human have MORE skin covered than the Palestine country human? Is the face scar there because the artist thinks the magen david is a hate symbol?

At least this artist sees them as older teens and not literal children

No NO MY Yuri of a palestinean suicide bomber and an IDF soldier will free palestine!

actually I think this is a shock jock artist that draws the most offensive Yuri he could find

I'm sure some of these artist were of the "let the lesser races kill each other while I draw them hate fucking" variety too

[edenfenixblogs]

If you’re not Jewish/Muslim/Israeli/Palestinian and you are talking publicly in any way about the i/p conflict you should probably do your research about dog whistles and take that info seriously. It shouldn’t be up to affected groups to educate you while actively being triggered and traumatized.

It’s not fun to constantly worry if your friends secretly hate you or if they are sliding into antisemitic spaces or are ok with genocide as long is against the right group of people.

You aren’t free of antisemitism or Islamophobia just because you don’t sit around thinking, “I hate Jews/Muslims/Arabs.” This shit is structural. I don’t care how many Jews or Muslims or Arabs you know. If you haven’t actively deconstructed your own bias against these groups, you’re probably still hateful whether you realize it or not.

[hilacopter]

leftists' all lives matter approach whenever antisemitism is brought up is extremely hypocritical and straight up disgusting. it's always "antisemitism is bad BUT ALSO-" no. no "but also". that's the end of the sentence. imagine saying that shit about any other form of bigotry.

[germiyahu]

And because many (I don't want to say most but I do) Western Leftists are subconsciously rebelling against their parents, they've basically created this neat little paradigm that seems to harm everyone but Christians... interesting.

See the boomer Evangelical republicans, they feel a very paternalistic sense of duty to "save" the Jews from the Satanic threat of Islam, which will end democracy and put the followers of Christ to the sword.

Their zoomer Leftists college student children feel a very paternalistic sense of duty to "save" Islam from the satanic threat of ZIONISM, which will destroy indigenous peoples everywhere and put the entire world in the chains of capitalism until the end of time.

It's always the same thing. It's always the two sides of the same coin. The Right have Israel as their token, their sacrificial lamb that will fulfill biblical prophecies. The Modern Left has replaced Israel with Palestine, or Islam more broadly. It is their token, their sacrificial lamb that will if not fulfill then at least validate Marxist prophecies. It's a bunch of Christians (whether they practice or not) having a lot of Opinions but none of those opinions are about their own role in persecuting these two groups of people. Funny that.

[spot-the-antisemitism]

Not antisemitism, but semi-popular tumblr user prokopetz seems to think that people like you calling out obvious scammers is “harassment”

https://prokopetz.tumblr.com/post/758167624754544640/more-to-the-point-the-present-harassment-efforts

what a naive dumbass

they are ALL SCAMS

the vetting process is ALSO A SCAM

[spot-the-antisemitism]

bait used to believable

these fuckers want you to respond and tell all the famous pro-pal

somebody please come pick up your mans. they’re building straw men like it’s a full time job.

if you a) can’t tell the difference between a consistent & universal application of human rights where even bad people still get human rights—because they’re human rights not privileges you can earn or lose—versus “supporting” the worst of their behavior, & b) think it’s appropriate to treat entire societies like hive minds & collectively punish them for the opinions of what you’ve decided is their universal collective will (even if the claims being made were accurate, which I question), I can’t help you.

[hussyknee]

Why is it that white liberals who claim to be on Palestine's side can't resist shitting a load of Islamophobia to make their point? Christ is "egalitarian and kind" but the entire system of Islamic commandments and ways of life (heavily open to various interpretations) is the great boogeyman incompatible with democracy. This coming from the white supremacist settler colonial state whose entire political establishment has for fucking decades used both religious Christian and secular grounds to destabilise, bomb, genocide and colonize Muslim countries, torture and persecute Muslims, and arm and empower fundamentalist Muslim states and groups. It's your secular democracy that delivered Afghanistan into the Taliban's hands twice! Daesh exists because of you! Saudi Arabia is your bestest buddy and you're helping it genocide Yemen and Sudan right the fuck now! Palestine is being genocided because Christian Zionism wants a vassal state of Zionist Jews! Not to mention how much of the Global South's misogyny and homophobia is the result of four hundred years of white Christian colonization, and the fact that USAmerican Christian fundamentalists are even now exporting and funding the Evangelical Christianity that's driving crackdowns on women and LGBT people in Africa. Project 2025 is a bare fraction of the misery and oppression the US government has inflicted and is still inflicting on the Global South.

All of your goddamn Western history and current rightwing extremism is about Christian fundamentalism fuelling white supremacy and brutal colonization, but when you need a boogeyman it's always some cartoon in your head about a bunch of Arab men in skull caps throwing rocks at women. Fascism is colonization turned inward bitch, but not even a quarter century of spewing its rhetoric that brought you to this inevitable endpoint is enough to make you look in the fucking mirror.

[edenfenixblogs]

Hey, if you’re currently trying to exploit my disappointment with the antisemitism in Leftist spaces to make me into a TERF or a racist or an Islamophobe: fuck off.

My revulsion with antisemitism does not and will not ever turn into hatred for other groups.

[spot-the-antisemitism]

Oh no the nazis found this post

"actually I hate all nonwhite people" girl we know

why is one allowed to criticize literally every demographic in the world EXCEPT jews? why is never allowed to say anything bad about the jews or call them out on problematic things?

why is everyone who calls out the international economic, cultural & social manipulation of jews on the world either silenced or eliminated?

"why am i called antisemitic when i call out [antisemitic conspiracy theory]????"

[kick-a-long]

Well I’m going to call it.

Antisemitism right now is worse than I remember Islamophobia being in 2002.

Remember how gross everyone thinks those Islamophobic people were after 9/11?

Boy do I have news for you antizionists.