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New idea: the Lazarus Pits adopt Tim.
Like, his first encounter face-to-face with a pit-rage person, Jason, does not end in blood and bruises. Instead the Pit goes “oh, that’s the guy who we want to be our new leader. He has so much potential! But he’s still baby, so we will have to help!”
…except this is one small piece of the Pits consciousness. And not even the one in control. Jason is still there. Jason still very much hates Tim.
Now, though, he’s practically being forced to coparent him? Because if the Pit takes control near Tim, he turns into a mother hen. If he gets too angry, the Pit takes control. And Tim makes him angry.
Tim is very conflicted. Not only does he not want to be the next Ra’s, he doesn’t particularly like Jason either, not after learning what he had wanted to do to him. But also he’s definitely safe? Because every time Jason intends to hurt him, the Pit takes control, and Tim is safe.
Relatively speaking.
This cues Jason's all-consuming need to get his Pit Madness under control.
In a weird turn of events, the borderline therapy ends up helping Jason with his anger enough that he stops hating Tim so much. Through the power of Lazarus Pit detox, Jason stops swearing Tim is his enemy. They move onto strong dislike but not murderous foes.
It's also weird because if the Pit gets triggered at *all* around Tim, Jason becomes a very aggressive parental figure to Tim.
Neither of them can look each other in the eye after the flare ups
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Get in the Water AU: Original Post Ruthlessness
Ghosts were physiologically different from humans.
It was something Tucker and Sam didn't understand. They saw Phantom as "Danny with superpowers," not as a fundamentally different being.
Sometimes, Danny didn't understand either.
But his parents did. Utter disregard for the scientific method aside, the Fentons were the ones who learned how inhuman ghosts were: "Just emotions and electricity imprinted on ectoplasm, Danno, nothing to be scared of!" Snapshots of people at the moments of their deaths. The past and the present, incapable of contemplating the future.
And with his duality, Danny struggled to understand either of his halves.
As a human, Danny could move past his nightmare of a childhood, compartmentalize and think to the future, when he was fully healed and his past couldn't hurt him anymore. So when Dora, first elected Queen of the Infinite Realms - long may she reign - asked him to collect all the resurrected humans for a health check and assessment... when he'd noticed Damian Al Ghul-Wanye on the list... He'd thought up a little prank to pull on his long-lost brother. A cruel one, perhaps, but nothing harmful.
As a ghost, Danny couldn't move on. He could never forget that Sam led him to his death, that his parents negligence allowed for the stage to be set, that the lab they loved so much held both his home and his grave. Just as Danny would always be that fourteen year old, caught in that moments, he was still the 7-year-old Danyal Al Ghul who trusted his brother not to hurt him... and ended up poisoned.
Phantom wanted his murderer to suffer.
And Danny, much to his shame, had allowed it.
For a few weeks, Danny managed to ignore it. He'd gone after Damian first, so there were tons of resurrected on his list. He started with the more extreme cases first, like Constantine, but soon enough the next on his list was Ra's Al Ghul.
He'd asked Queen Dora to send someone else, anyone else. That he wouldn't be able to control himself if he saw his grandfather again. Instead of relieving him, she'd given him a knowing look and told him to follow his core's desire.
She never mentions it, but Queen Dora had been a murder victim too.
There was no showmanship, no dramatic reveal. Just Danyal, his grandfather, and the Pit.
Despite all Ra's Al Ghul's power, he was no match for a spirit hellbent on drowning him.
That's what Danny did to his grandfather. He'd thrown up afterwards, once he was human before. But the ghost in him relished the act; he could still feel Grandfather's throat under his hands, pulse fluttering against his palm as Danyal held him down. He struggled and shook as the Lazarus waters filled his lungs, burning away healthy tissue. Fingernails morphed into claws that sliced through the tender skin, blood leaking into the water, and water leaking into the blood.
It took a long time for Grandfather to die. Deep within Danny, next to his core, he knew it was what was deserved. That the murdered finally had justice. He was content with never speaking of it again, a secret between him and the waters.
And now it was going to happen again as Phantom's impulsive mind overtook Fenton's tactical one.
He'd known Damian was looking into him. Knew another confrontation was inevitable, what with two more of his siblings needing their health checks. But as Danny was stalking their mother, searching for the best way to abduct her (she was still his mother after all, he didn't want her dead... yet), Damian and his family confronted her.
Relief washed over him as only a normal amount of rage bubbled up at the sight of Damian, instead of the overwhelming, all-consuming fury he'd felt. Danny laughed at their arguments, at Constantine thinking he could put a living ghost to rest, at his siblings-unmet and his father-unknown, until...
Damian confessed.
His murderer confessed, yet as he continued to speak, to explain, the fury rose in him again. Because it wasn't a betrayal. He'd always thought Damian betrayed him, but no.
Through his own ruthlessness, Damian gave him the only mercy he could manage. And there was only one thing Danyal wanted now.
""̸̲̈́T̶͘͜ä̵̢li̸a̶̬̓ ̴̬̐A̵̛̪l̸̲̚ G̸̛̫h̶̺̏u̸̢̚l!̴̳̈́ D̷̩̕o̸͛ͅ ̶̝̍y̴͙͘o̵̙͐u̵̬̓ ̴̤͂k̸̡̑n̵͓̈́o̷͈͝w̷͖͂ ̷͓͑w̴̧̄h̵̲͌o̴̮̔ ̵̼́Ị̷̂ ̷̣̽a̵̳̓m̷̩̓?̷̝͒"̷̧͠"
It was her fault. She was the reason why he was dead, nothing more than a coward who couldn't go against her father for the sake of her children. She abused them, she struck his brother, it was her fault-
"Danyal," she answered. And Danyal grinned, fanged and sharp.
He approached, the waters of his birthplace lovingly brushing against his legs, consoling him the only way they knew how. They whispered revenge into his ears, madness into his heart, just as they had when he'd confronted Damian, when he murdered Grandfather. "You have much to answer for, daughter of the Demon Head," he said, voice echoing around the room.
Unrestrained greed filled her gaze. "You've returned to me, my son."
Danyal laughed, brutal and rough. "I've returned for you, Mother," he corrected. "Don't think this reunion will end well for you."
"You mean to hurt me, Danyal?" she crooned, all false hurt and fake love.
"I mean to kill you."
Genuine anger flashed across her face. "My son would never-"
"Y̵̺̆o̴̩͂u̸͉̕r̷̰͝ ̴͔͝s̵̡̉o̶̡̎ň̵̞ ̶̗̈i̴̘̍s ̸̦̐d̴̯̚ê̶͚á̶̩d̷̻̈́," he snarled, and Damian flinched. He was too close to Talia. "You wanted me dead... for being weak. For having mercy." He stared up at his mother's shocked form. "I killed Grandfather. Tell me, is that ruthless enough for you, Umi?" Talia flinched with just her eyes. He hadn't been allowed to call her Umi since he was three.
Their father stepped forward, the naked distress on his face contrasting with his battle armor. "Danyal," he plead. "You don't have to do this-"
"Stay out of this, Baba." The man's breathing hitched. "This doesn't involve you."
Constantine tried to talk him down next. "It does, kid. A Siren on your level can't stay around for long. It's time for you to rest."
Danyal threw back his head and laughed. "As if you could stop me, exorcist." No more delays. It's time for action. "I will drown you all before you can."
Danyal lunged. And despite his mother's decades as an assassin, she couldn't kill what was already dead.
He held her down by the throat, the attacks from Damian's family bouncing off him. "This is mercy," he cooed as she desperately clawed at his hands. "For me. For Damian. For everyone you will try to hurt in the future. Ruthlessness is the only mercy I can give you now." Her face turned red as she gaped for air and Danyal-
Was thrown back into the water.
Reorienting himself, he found John Constantine standing over his mother, protecting her from him. "̷̪͂E̷̺͐x̷̝̑ŏ̶̺ȑ̴͉c̷̟͘i̸͔̋s̶̮̀t̶̯͝."
And the Pit's water began to rise.
#dc x dp#dp x dc#dpxdc#dcxdp#c: danny fenton#c: danyal al ghul#c: ra's al ghul#c: talia al ghul#c: damian wayne#c: john constantine#Danny is just using the lazarus pits as portals to the Ghost Zone without realizing they're poisoning him with Pit Madness#the pits are sentient and love him#the pits also love jason that's why he has permanent pit madness#with the amount of murder victims dumped in there it really cares about fellow victims the most#anyway with the circe saga out i thought of a sequel to Storm so that'll be fun#get in the water au
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they both know it's bullshit
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#dc#dc comics#red hood#batman#jason todd#bruce wayne#fanart#my art#more rendering practice i did in a daze#inspired by a post i saw (methinks) but couldn't find again#jason pulling the 'pit madness' card and bruce hitting him back with the Lazarus Pit Eyes™#<= guy who's also been dunked in the sauce#jason it's been a long day and mama is sick of your bullshit#also! surprisingly fun rendering! wow
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That one ask about AP Bruce putting Jason in the pit himself just put so many batkid AP things into my head. Like Bruce has his flock and he keeps them in this near inescapable nest, but is there truly any place they’d rather be at the end of the day? Bruce having the constant mental push and pull of wishing they didn’t have to be there, to wanting them there and needing them there. He can’t help but protect and love them even though it opens up a target. How much rage does them being there give him, that His City would be cruel enough to lock children in a place like this.
How terrifying would that rage be after Jason’s death. Because I can imagine that would be enough for him to slip, to remind everyone exactly why Bruce is here in the first place. And that he’s here because he *chose* to be, he can leave at any time. He can march freely through the doors, and bring back the *dead*.
Just the image of him covered in blood both from Jason’s body, and also covered in marks and scratches from where Jason bit and scratched and thrashed from the pit, just holding him and trying to keep him warm and trying to let him know that he’s safe now.
That last paragraph took me out at the KNEES. GOD.
#asks#anon#Arkham prince#Arkham prince au#Jason todd#batman#bruce wayne#dc#fic ideas#Lazarus pit#pit madness#to add to masterlist
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Okay, we gotta talk about Pit Madness in the comics.
I keep seeing a bunch of people saying it’s not real. Problem. It is. It’s just rarely brought up.
It might not be the earliest reference, but we have this panel with Talia talking about how madness seizes him after dipping in the Lazarus Pit

Batman #244 (1972)
But this isn’t the only time we get reference to this. The panel below also talks about lore of the Lazarus Pits and again mentions that madness.

Batman: Bane of the Demon. Issue 3 (1998)
This gets referenced again in Hush when Bruce is fighting who he thinks is someone pretending to be Jason having been resurrected in the Pits during Hush.
Bruce is thinking about how he almost out Jason in a Pit after his death, but due to the madness the Pit can cause and Jason’s injuries to the head, he thought against it.



Batman # 618 - I think it’s volume 11 in the Hush omnibus (2003)
We see a reference to it again regarding Jason in the Lost Days. What’s super interesting here is that Talia states the Pits did NOT drive Jason mad, but Ra’s warns her that it’s possible the madness can occur up to years after a person’s dip.
I find this particular one fascinating, simply because of the lore that Pit Madness can take hold decades after a dip in a Pit.

Red Hood: the Lost Days #2 (2010)
Now, regarding Jason. There has NEVER been any concrete proof he’s suffered from Pit Madness. It’s very popular as a head cannon simply because Jason’s characterization is so all over the place.
Edit: Please keep in mind Jason was calm, cool, collected, and conniving in Under the Red Hood. Saying he’s Pit Mad there takes away all of the impact and gets rid of his motivations. Please be aware of this.
Now, that’s not saying there’s not a connection between Jason and the Pits. There was an entire arc in Red Hood and the Outlaws (2010) regarding this which also deals with Jason’s time with the All-Caste.
I still haven’t gotten around to reading that part, but it’s where the permanent augmentation theories come from. Oh, and Jason can canonically make constructs from Lazarus Water. Ra’s can too, but yeah… it’s a thing.


Red Hood and the Outlaws 2010 #27 (Released in 2014)
But while there’s no confirmation Jason’s dealt with Pit Madness, you know who has? Cass


Batgirl 1 #72 or 73 (2006)
Cass was revived after taking a blow for someone. And Shiva revived her, but there’s no permanence to it. And to my knowledge, I could be wrong since I’m not as familiar with her runs, this is the only time it gets referenced with her.
But going back to my original point that started this: Pit Madness is real. It’s just rarely seen in the comics. And if you want to use it, that’s fine - just be careful about its use since you can ruin characterization with it.
Edit 2: while there isn’t much of Pit Madness seen in the comics, it does seem to wear off over time. We also know a dip in the Pit temporarily increases brain power and physical strength/ability.
We also know that there’s a Lazarus Pit under Gotham and that its waters leech into Gotham’s water supply.
That’s referenced in Teen Titans vol. 3 issues 40-41 (2007) - forgive me. I don’t feel like looking up those panels
#dc comics#batman#lazarus pit#Pit Madness#Jason Todd#Red Hood#cassandra cain#ra’s al ghul#I personally started using the idea the Lazarus pit amplifies negative emotions more#which is canon#but it allows for influence without ruining motivations
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Garage Sale
Well, when the Fentons decided to have a garage sale Danny didn't expect many to be interested. His parents were looking for a way to get money quickly to build more stuff, and he jokingly suggested they could sell some inventions, they took it seriously (Jazz made sure to remove all the lethal inventions, she tried with the ones that might be risky but then they wouldn't sell anything).
Danny knew his parents were strange yes, but he wasn't sure that justified millionaires in his backyard. Millionaires, he'd like to clarify, had never set foot in Amity Park before. He raised an eyebrow at the sight of Bruce Wayne and his sons checking out the appliances. None of them seemed to be interested in the "ghosts" but they hadn't backed down from taking some things either.
So yes, Danny was suspicious. Of course he had made sure the inventions in the sale were safe (although unlike Jazz, he simply decided to make them safe, a few modifications here and there), but the fact that they looked genuinely interested made him uneasy.
Were the Waynes interested in hunting ghosts?
He decided to try something, he crossed eyes with one of them and let his green eyes show before looking away, the boy looked alarmed. He approached him and asked, but Danny feigned ignorance, commenting that all the inventions were green and maybe he had been confused by the reflection (to be fair, most of his parents' inventions were green because of the ecto).
For his part, Bruce had received an alert from Justice League Dark, it seemed they had detected a strange energy, similar to magic, so the bats set out to investigate. They didn't expect to find a garage sale in a house in the middle of nowhere (Amity Park wasn't even marked on the fucking map). Nor did they expect advanced technology or mad scientists.
Bruce decided to pretend he had stumbled into town as "Brucie Wayne" and buy a few things. He shuddered to see that many inventions worked with Lazarus water. Jason, who had strangely agreed to come along, was also upset about the son of the scientists.
Bruce questioned whether he had found a family of villains in the making.
#dpxdc#The Fentons needed money#so they did a garage sale#JLD detected the ecto because it was out of the protected lab#and all the inventions together caused energy to be detected#The Batfamily investigated#Amity is a quiet town#if you're not actively looking for it then it won't show up#That's why no one believes it exists#The Amity Parkers could be descendants of the elves and nobody would know it#dp x dc#dc x dp#Danny gave Jason a cardiac arrest#Jason knows the color of pit madness everywhere and he thinks Danny has it#Bruce plans to take the weapons to study them#The Fentons are just happy that their sale was a success#They have no idea that the dark knight considers them to be future villains#Danny would be offended if he found out#The Batfamily believes that the Fentons found a way to manipulate the lazarus water and that is a risk#They hope Ra doesn't find out#They are right but wrong at the same time#The Fentons work with pure ectoplasm#not junk ectoplasm.
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I hate when people tell me to stop giving Jason pit madness as an "excuse" for his behaviour.
Let's be real here: I only give it to him because, first of all, glowing green eyes, splitting headaches and unrelenting pain. I love putting my favourite characters through hell—it's how I cope.
But no—I am not saying, "The pit madness made him do it!" as if it absolves him completely. I hate that people feel the need to use that as an excuse in the first place.
Say it with me now:
Jason Todd is a traumatized man who never got to live his childhood let alone be taught the basics of coping with his emotions.
He grew up in the streets, then with Bruce, and then as Batman's Robin. And, as we know, Bruce is notorious for being emotionally repressed and incapable of dealing with his own feelings in a healthy way. It's well known that Jason used violence as a way to cope with his feelings, letting out frustration on low-life villains and often not listening to Batman in his emotional haze.
While he may age now, his trauma and memories do not change, and just because he is older that's not going to make him suddenly amazing at dealing with emotions. He literally woke up in the Lazarus Pit as a 15-year-old. He continues to use his only known coping mechanism: violence and revenge. Absolutely nobody is equipped to deal with things he survived and most definitely not without an inability to understand yourself emotionally. With his suppressed childhood it's no surprise he turned out the way he did.
I'm sick of losers telling me to get rid of pit madness, I just like glowing green eyes and insanity.
#jason todd#batfam#bruce wayne#pit madness#dc robin#robin jason todd#dc joker#anyway ummm this isn't targeted i'm just upset#thank you guys :3#lazarus pit#red hood#batfamily
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And I'm not even done.
#my kingdom for people properly tagging their shit so i don't have to spend 20 mins filtering and still finding exactly what i was avoiding#anti tim drake#i swear i just didn't cared about him#not my monkeys not my circus#but your monkey is everywhere#and making it everybody's problem#ao3#please writers tag your shit properly#“lazarus pit mad tim” are you fucking kidding me#you know who was on the pit#cass#jason#bruce depending on the canon#treating tim fans like i treat Christians#i don't care about the blorbo but the fandom pisses me off
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Hmm... If Jason was affected by Pit Madness, would it be attached to his body or his soul?
If he were to body swap with someone, would the Pit Madness follow him to the new body, or would it stay with his body?
Because his body was the one to be dipped, but it is magical/mystical. It also has power over life and death, so that's theoretically the realm of souls.... Yet, it heals bodies.
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This is your reminder that Lazarus Pit Madness is not canon! It’s not present in the comics, nor are green eyes as a side effect. It’s mostly fanon.
However, that doesn’t take away from how interesting the concept is if written well; whether something is or isn’t canon shouldn't dictate your creativity.
Edit: I stand partially corrected, it seems it’s not entirely fanon as it’s present in a handful of comics (Red Hood: Lost Days), however is rarely mentioned in the grand scheme of things. It seems to be a small comic tidbit that has been expanded upon by fans.
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Fictober23 Prompt: 2 - "Don't worry, I got you."
Fandom: DPxDC
Rating: T
Warnings: Mentions of death, implied mentions of panic attacks handling, Jason typical profanity
"Don't worry, I got you."
These were the first words Jason could finally hear after what felt like forever. His head was pounding and his vision was still tinted green but slowly he felt like he was gaining control over the rage that had taken over.
He couldn't remember what triggered it, nor what he had done when his vision turned green. All he remembers was that he had been out on Patrol before he heard a scream. But now he could feel two hands resting on his shoulder. A young voice resounded in his ears, telling him to breathe in deeply, hold it and then breathe out. He remembers this exercise, B had made sure they all knew this one, so that they could help anyone that was working themselves into a panic attack. But he wasn't suffering through one, was he?
Unconsciously his eyes closed, blocking his vision of the still tinted green world.
"That's it. Try to redirect that power, don't let the Mania take hold. Can you feel your core? Try listening for its humming."
What core? What do they mean? Yet despite not knowing what they were talking about Jason tried to follow the direction the voice gave him. He wasn't sure why he was even listening to them, but something in him made the vigilante want to trust them. Redirect the power, they had said. Maybe they meant the Pit Rage? But how? Feeling for his core? Did they mean his heart? Jason could do that, he focused on his heart beat, tried to sense how it beat rhythmically in his chest and heard the blood rushing in his veins. Now that he listened there was a humming next to his heartbeat. Was this what they meant? Probably.
"Great you found your core, focus on it. Store that power in there for now."
Nodding slightly Jason tried to do what they said. Whatever this core was, he imaged it like a box and then mentally stuffed all that Pit Rage into it. Every bit of rage and madness the Pit made him feel, everything. He pushed it all into the box he imagined as that core and once it was all in there he decided to go a step further. His eyebrows furrowed as he imagined closing the lit of the box and putting a big fat lock on it. Like the one B put on his weapon storage after he raided it 5 times in a row when he had run out of grenades to throw at drug dealers and other scum lurking in his territory.
"Hey! Hey! Don't overdo it! Your core is still tiny! To much power und you will be in big trouble if it bursts the next time!"
His eyes snapped open. The first thing he noticed was his version was no longer tinted green. The second thing he noticed was the kid floating with no legs before him. Lazarus Green eyes coupled with snow white hair stared concerned yet relieved back at him.
"What the fuck-"
"Great! You're back to your senses!" The kid cut him of grinning at him and Jason was just confused and also surprised at himself. He did not feel anymore rage or a need for violence but instead his mind for once felt calm and a whole lot Pit free. Though there was the confusion of WHO THE FUCK WAS THAT KID?
"I honestly didn't expect to find another Halfa when I was contacted by Pandora to look into something. But Clockwork did mention something before, that I should look out for his Granddaughters fan that lives in Gotham and wears a red helmet. Didn't think I would meet you this soon though or like that. I haven't even greeted Lady Gotham yet. I was just on my way to the center of her haunt when I got these real disturbing feelings and bam you appeared out of nowhere attacking and I was forced-"
He cut the kids rambling off by rudely shoving his hand over the kids mouth to make the boy stop talking. "Shut up for a second there kid and let me catch up. You just dumped a lot of info there."
The kid had the nerve to sheepishly rub the back of his neck as he floated backwards a little, away from his hand that was covering his mouth. "Sorry, I got excited there. I think this must have been how the fruitloop had felt at first before things went to shit, when he found out I was a Halfa too. It's just kind of exciting, you know? There aren't a lot of us."
"The fuck you mean Halfa?" He questioned and mentally thanked his self from a couple hours ago for choosing to go on patrol with his trusted helmet instead of listening to his brother to use just a mask because of the head. This way the kid was not able to see his facial expression escaping him with all the info bombs the kid kept dropping.
"Half death, half alive. Well more like Half Ghost, Half human but details." The kid shrugged and Jason really wanted to pinch the bridge of his nose right now through his helmet.
"Last I checked I appear to be pretty alive, kid." He would know if he weren't or at least he hoped he would know, somehow.
"Well duh. That's the half alive part. The half death part is your second form, have you not managed to transform yet? I mean your core is tiny but that shouldn't matter to much. You did die and then come back alive with the balance sort of regulated by a big amount of ectoplasm, right? Though I have to say that the ectoplasm in your system is very unusual. It's so different from what I feel from Dani, Dan or even the fruitloop. I probably should drag you to Frostbite as soon as possible but there are no portals here so I would have to drag you either to my home or Wisconsin first, or maybe find a natural portal but that's harder than just taking you to one of the permanent open ones. Speaking of Dani and Dan, they gotta be excited to hear that there is another Halfa in our age range that's not related via cloning or time shenanigans! That's gotta be so fun and we can show-"
"Kid, you're rambling again." Jason cut in suppressing a sigh. Cloning? Time shenanigans? What the fuck was he getting into by associating with this kid? "Did anyone ever tell you that you are bad at explaining?"
"My friends and older sister." The kid answered with no delay, like he had been asked that same question before. "Also I am 20."
Jason wished the kid could see how he arched an eyebrow under his helmet. He could have tricked him if he didn't look like a 14 years old. The kid appeared to sense it anyway as they huffed and pouted his way. "I swear I am! My Ghost form is just stuck at looking like the age I died at! I haven't figured out how to manipulate my ectoplasm to make my ghost self look older yet! I swear Dan has been holding this over me for years now!"
"Sure kid, let's just get back to that Halfa thing and what that means for me." Jason didn't know what exactly the kid was nor what the kid meant by Jason apparently being also an Halfa -was it?-, which meant the kid was one in the first place. "By the way, who are you?"
"Oh right! I am Danny Phantom! Nice to meet you Red Hood! And pleases stop calling me a kid! I swear I am not anymore!" Well that was at least a step forward. Now Jason just had to figure out how to get the information he really needed from the kid, Danny, without listening to excessive rambling as well as how to explain just all of this to Bruce and the rest of his siblings. He can already hear them freaking out about it.
No wait, he actually could hear them freak out right now. Oh shit! His coms were on, weren't they? Wait did Dickwing just say ETA 5? And B just said ETA 3! Shit, fuck, damit! His family were on the way and he was not sure if the Halfa Kid, or whatever, would run at the site of them. B would probably scare the shit out of the kid just to get answers.
Well at least, the good thing so far was that the Pit was quiet now and the kid could apparently help him control it and the Pit Rage better.
#fictober23#dp x dc#dpxdc#dcxdp#crossover#danny fenton#danny phantom#jason todd#jason is a halfa#pit rage#Danny saw Jason struggle and did what Frostbite thought him#Danny thought Pit Madness was the same as Ghost Mania#Jasons got questions#so has the Batfam#They listened in over the coms#Danny well have to do a lot of explaining#he will probably call Jazz for help#Lazarus Water is an ectoplasm variant#Not quiete the same but not so different either
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Something something Jason having to be the one to beg Bruce to come back to himself,,, to be the dad he used to be,, to say what he always wanted Bruce to say to him; “I don’t care what mistakes you made- please just come back, however you’ve changed. I love you and need you”
That could be made even worse at the point where Bruce isn’t ready to hear any of that, and just doesn’t process how painful it is for Jason to say that yet. And it absolutely BREAKS Jason for his words to not be able to reach Bruce
Esp if you think about how Jason had a dip in the Pit, enough to make him shaky and maybe even a little more murderous at first, but he came through it in the end. His family was there, Bruce was there with his code and his love (even if he never said it out loud).
But this Bruce? This Bruce was submerged in the Lazarus Pit. He drowned in it a thousand times before they took him out. He inhaled all the memories and emotions in that water. He is so much further gone that he isn’t unstable or furious, he is icily calm. Resolute. It’s his body’s way of processing too much emotion, too many thoughts and people. He shuts down. He’s all of it, so he is nothing.
#asks#anon#fic ideas#Jason todd#red hood#batman#bruce wayne#dc#batfamily#Lazarus pit#lazarus pit madness#pit madness#league of assassins#ra’s al Ghul
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Lazarus Pit Madness is an incredibly popular headcanon and I personally love it but what if it wasn't the Pit making Jason mad and killing people and stuff.
What if the madness was caused by the All-Blades?
Picture this: when Jason comes out of the Pit he's Pit Mad for a couple days and then gets an episode every couple of months for about a year then everything is good and Talia eventually sends him to the All-Caste and goes through the training there and gets the All-Blades as normal.
Now as far as I'm aware the All-Blades are exclusively for use against magical threats and things that are deemed Evil™ so what if the All-Blades whisper to him about the sins of those around him (especially those who are magic in some way) it should be a cacophony of noise all the time but it doesn't really effect him and stranger still, despite it sometimes being hundreds of voices overlapping you could pick out anyone and he'd be able to recite all their sins by heart.
The times where he goes truly off the rails like a rabid animal are usually when someone has committed a sin that he personally considers truly evil (usually stuff involving kids) but the problem is that in this state he is assimilated partially with the All-Blades causing his mortality to become more similar to them and also being fairly indiscriminate in doling out judgement. (Titan's Tower for example was only as bad as it was because Slade decided to spy in person and his list of crimes set him off)
Basically I'm saying we should explore other reasons for Jason's violence and extremes other than the Pit or him being fully aware.
#batman#jason todd#red hood#all blades#all caste#All-Caste Jason Todd#All-Blades Madness#lazarus pit side effects#lazarus pit#pit madness
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The Wish
Danny wasn't Desiree, he didn't have the power to fulfill wishes or gain power from it, but he did have subjects. And each of his subjects wanted something different, and since becoming Ghost King he had done his best to fulfill them. Or at least, fulfill the ones that were reasonable.
But there were so many ghosts, many ghosts he didn't know, from all corners of the Infinite Realms, and some had requests that while he could fulfill, maybe it wasn't the best thing for him to do.
The wish he had heard the most was "kill the Joker," Danny didn't know who the Joker was. Maybe a mass murderer taking into account all the angry souls who wanted the same thing. And he would be willing to kill him, but that would be a headache regarding universal balance.
Danny debated how to solve the problem without destroying the delicate balance of the Realms; then he was visited by a soul, a teenager who felt like a ghost but at the same time not (a broken soul? That was rare). The soul had a peculiar request, "let me come back, I will kill the Joker."
Danny frowned, he didn't think creating a halfa with a vengeful obsession was a good idea. But before he could give his verdict, the soul was ripped from his hands.
Danny wanted to deny his request, he wouldn't wish an existence like him on anyone, but if he didn't help that soul might disappear. Such "Lazarus pits" were not infallible, they were rotten, full of contaminated ectoplasm, and Danny knew it (he would have to deal with that later), but he also knew that with a little of his help Jason would survive.
Reluctantly he complied with the teenager's request and Jason returned to the realm of the living. Unbeknownst to Jason he had tied his soul to the King's request (to kill the Joker, not that Jason knew that, or would complain if he ever found out).
Danny, of course, was worried about the boy (halfa?), and decided that if Jason hadn't accomplished his "mission" in about 5 years he would bring him back to the Realms, maybe teach him about everything. He needed to get the kid another obsession anyway.
Bruce never let Jason kill the Joker, and the 5 years went by pretty fast. Danny decided it was time to visit Jason, and maybe take him back.
#dpxdc#ghost king danny#he is trying to be a good leader#and fulfill his Kingdom wishes#Some are easier than others#Ember wanted a concert#Gotham souls wanted revenge#Jason is the souls' leader#mostly because the Joker assassinated him directly and on live#dp x dc#dc x dp#Jason survived thanks to Danny#the Lazarus pits were not enough#his obsession is mostly revenge#Danny wants to change that#he gave Jason 5 years to kill the Joker on his own and spend time with his family before returning to Infinite Realms#Bruce stopped Jason every time#and interfered with his obsession#causing the “pit madness”#Danny wonders if he should just kill the clown and end everything
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au where Bruce finds a random passed out teenager in an alleyway. he’d been sent by his kids to pick up ice cream for movie night and took a shortcut, which is where he catches sight of the blond slumped over and dressed in very odd clothing.
Bruce can’t just leave him there, so he carefully hauls him up and into his car, planning to take him to the hospital. but as Bruce lays him across the back seat, the kid’s eyes open briefly and Bruce catches sight of vibrant blue/green. a vibrant and so obviously unnatural colour from the way they shine.
lazarus pit. there’s no other explanation that comes to Bruce’s mind as quickly as that one does. he can’t take the kid to the hospital, he has to find out how the fuck he got here and why he was dunked into the pit and then abandoned. or did he run away? the strange clothes aren’t indicative of the league, nor is the giant sword the kid had laying across his lap.
Bruce takes him back to the manor and as he carries the blond inside, realizes he neglected to warn his kids.
“Another one?!”
“Oh hell yeah! I’m not the only blonde anymore!”
“Bruce, what the fuck. We sent you for ice cream, not another orphan!”
Bruce doesn’t have time to explain himself because the teenager in his arms finally seems to wake up, for real this time, and blinks up at Bruce.
“W-where’s Zack?”
“Zack?”
“Where am I? Who are you?”
“My name is Bruce Wayne. You’re in Gotham, in my home. What’s your name?”
The blond’s brows furrow in confusion.
“‘m Cloud.”
#idea brought to you by the fact that I realized today the lazarus pit and mako are kind of similar#I mean. as similar as two green substances can be?#jason: he got the kind without the pit madness???#cloud: no. instead I hallucinate the man who killed my best friend and burned my entire village down#jason: oh another one who hallucinates. you’ll fit right in here#also also. imagine sephiroth tracking cloud down through universes and then…the JL beating his ass 😭#ANYWAY#bruce wayne#cloud strife#jason todd#stephanie brown#dick grayson#batfam#batfamily#batman#final fantasy#final fantasy 7#final fantasy remake#my post
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